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Sexism isn't keeping women out of industry, says EA exec

Executive vice president Gabrielle Toledano says it's "easy to blame men," but that's not the real problem.

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Electronic Arts executive vice president and chief talent officer Gabrielle Toledano has sounded off on sexism in the gaming industry. In an editorial at Forbes, Toledano said when it comes to sexism, there is a "big disconnect between perception and reality," noting it's not men who keep women out of the business.

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"It’s easy to blame men for not creating an attractive work environment," Toledano said. "But I think that’s a cop-out. If we want more women to work in games, we have to recognize that the problem isn’t sexism."

Toledano said she does not take issues around sexism or harassment lightly. In fact, as the head of human resources at EA, she said she enforces a "very strict code of conduct" and leads regular employee training initiatives to ensure a safe environment for all.

Her biggest issue is that the game industry is perceived as more sexist than other male-dominated workplaces, when in fact this may not be the case. At the same time, she acknowledged EA employs far more men than women, and this is an "issue to fix."

"Rather than blame the majority just because they are the majority, I believe the solution starts with us: women," she said.

Toledano laid out three "dirty little secrets" about women in the game industry, the first of which is that many women play games. "Nearly half of all gamers are female and yet I still continue to hear on a weekly basis that 'the only people playing games are boys in their basements.' It’s just not true. So if you like to play games, wouldn’t it be fun to make them?"

The second "secret" Toledano spoke of is that the industry wants to hire more women. She said a company cannot be successful if a team "looks and acts and thinks the same." She said embracing a more diverse culture is not simply a "feel-good message," but rather it is a requirement to continue making successful games.

The third and final "secret" Toledano said is that there are not enough women to hire, especially in the engineering department, at least not yet. She said to change this, support is needed for educational institutions that encourage women to pursue STEM (science, technology, engineering, mathematics) careers.

"The longevity of our industry and the infusion of new and diverse ideas that appeal to all consumers depend on getting more women into engineering, math, design, and other STEM-related disciplines," she said.

Toledano ended her note acknowledging sexism is a reality of the modern day workforce. However, this should not keep women from entering the industry, she said.

"Sexism is an unfortunate reality of our times, but as women we must seek the power and ability in ourselves to change the dynamic. Cast aside the preconceptions, and look for the opportunities and places to make an impact. And I can tell you firsthand that in the video game industry women are not just welcome, we are necessary and we are equal."

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Frankly, I have not seen very many hardcore female gamers. I wish there was more of them. I also have not seen many women who want to be game programmers. I would like to also note that she is human resources which has a higher women to men ratio. So EA continues the tradition of not letting women into the higher executive levels of a company. Good job EA.

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@moncealyo How many women you know like sports? Men like seeing each other get hit in the face. Women, some do, but most don't. Gaming is not appealing to women. Why do less men go into fashion? Because women are biologically made to understand color better. Men not so much. Some men go into fashion but a lot less. Women don't like games as much as men. Simple as that.

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@moncealyo A lot of the "sexist" gamers try to get their girlfriends into gaming. I am one of them and have certainly made headways, but there are major differences in the kinds of games we like to play. I finally got her into first-person games but she won't play any game that has enemies that move and shoot her. She still moves each stick individually to move and look around despite playing through the entirety of Portal 2. She refuses to even try mouse and keyboard games.

How do we reach them when they refuse?

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@Spokker You're lucky with that girl. In my country gaming tech is harder to come by thanks to prices and taxes differences (a PC gaming rig can be cheaper than a console!) and hardcore gamers are less usual. And female gamers, even less. Prejudice from some girls is high here: when they figure out how much we paid for a game or hardware there's a high number that will spit nasty words, like insane or sick to refer to us, let alone not wanting to see a movie or go out. My sister included, still love her tough. I know it sounds exagerated, but I'm trying to describe this as neutrally and down to earth as I could.
BTW, the very few gaming girls I met were taken :(

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@Spokker I live in Argentina.

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@santinegrete @Spokker What country?

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@moncealyo have u seen Jo Garcia?????

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Well, if EA says it, it must be wrong.

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I don't think its sexism thats keeping women out of game development either. Its the same reason their are more male engineers. Men and Women just have different preferences. I don't think quota systems are the way to go either. Hire the best people regardless of gender. The numbers games don't matter.

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@AyatollaofRnR Almost half the girls from my school wanted to become engineers or scientists...

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@Feyweather @AyatollaofRnR Go and look at the field. More women that go into medicine want to deal with women and children health. More men like going into surgery because of gun shots and stabbings. Why? Because people are different.

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She's got a point. This politically correct b.S is making me sick. They got the military, and the requirements had to be lowered for females. Despite the fact it's supposed to be equal. Women got an amendment, but how many actually voted in more than this last election? Harassment laws basically make it so that women can get away with murder in the workplace. More women work the system than actually become a part of it. All they do is complain to get what they want, are never satisfied, and keep whining about something else.

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@OneStrong2 There's a sliding scale in the military because men and women are not equal physically. Hell there's a sliding scale between fat men and skinny men, older men and younger men.

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@Kickable @OneStrong2 A dying person isn't going to magically lose weight because it's a woman carrying them. A person needs to be tested the same regardless of gender, strength or body structure.

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There is a big difference between playing games and making them. Most women just aren't THAT interested in making them. And there's nothing sexist about that; it's just a fact and that's OK.

All this bitching about not enough women in the game industry yet I have yet to hear ANY women vocalizing that they WANT to be in the game industry.

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@Kravyn81 I'm a woman - when I leave university, I want to go into the industry...

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a woman actually admitting that women are being idiots about the "sexism in the workplace" debate? shocker! atleast this is a step in the right direction. women need to stop blaming men for their woe's in life. women that go into engineering literally have their pick of any job in the field. employers are falling over themselves to hire women for engineering positions... so much so that if there is a male candidate and a female candidate.... i guarantee the female will get preference.

and people say there is sexism in the workplace.... pffffff. i dont see men complaining that women get preference in secretarial or office manager positions....

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@Geminon I also never hear women complain that men make up 92% of workplace fatalities. They never want more jobs in logging, mining, or fishing.

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If any decision is made based on gender, THAT is sexism. Saying you have a problem because you have more men working for you than women (As opposed to, say, a lot of unskilled employees working instead of hiring some good ones out there), THAT is sexism.

While I agree with her point that men aren't to blame, there is nothing that "needs to be done" to "fix" a situation of gender ratios. If women choose not to enter the industry, why are men expected to woo them into it?

Nobody's crying about the gender ratios at steel mills and other high-risk jobs?

PS - Only men can be drafted into the military, why hasn't any of the so-called sexists jumped on THAT one?

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@Daemoroth she's not saying men should be expected to woo them into it, just that there's misconceptions about the industry and general awareness and employment initiatives could do a lot for the industry. She sounds aware of the impact that heavyhanded "affirmative action" type entitlement is the wrong way to go about it

as for the draft it's a crisis contingency that can be revised. changes have been proposed, most recently by a male actually. Though the Selective Service really isn't what the draft used to be anyway, and it hasn't even been close to being imminent to this generation.

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@Kickable @Daemoroth "general awareness and employment initiatives could do a lot for the industry."

There have been and are general awareness and employment initiatives. They are a giant waste of time and money because the proportion of women in computer science fields have actually decreased over the years.

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@Kickable @Daemoroth Really? She's not saying that?

"The third and final "secret" Toledano said is that there are not enough women to hire, especially in the engineering department, at least not yet. She said to change this, support is needed for educational institutions that encourage women to pursue STEM (science, technology, engineering, mathematics) careers.".

She says a lot of things, but her entire stance is based on gender, so please see my first paragraph. :)

As for the draft, the fact that it's there is enough. The chances of it happening are irrelevant (What are the odds of winning the lotto, and yet people buy tickets).

It's just a fun example of how these P.C. people only focus on the "cries" of women when they see a positive industry that they don't yet own (And they're surprisingly quiet about the ratios of dangerous/negative situations). Most of them couldn't care less about equality.

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@Kickable @Daemoroth But, why does gender matter at all?

And if it does matter to you, why aren't any of the other professions with male-dominant ratios also on the agenda (The dangerous and undesirable professions)?

Everybody uses the bathrooms equally, yet how many women are maintaining the sewage systems? And what about cars? How many women risk their health in a mine or a steel mill for those?

If you go down the road of judging equality based on gender and use the consumer-base as your estimation of what the ratio should be, you are standing on a very fragile argument.

No, sorry, to me, gender doesn't matter. As long as everyone has the same opportunity and gets picked on merit alone, sorting out beliefs and opinions are what parents and personal experience are for.

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@Daemoroth You're assuming the worst very easily. Who do you think she's blaming for this unwarranted victim entitlement? It's not men. Ultimately it's women who are ignorant and think the industry is full of sexism based on assumptions they make for all sorts of reasons that are just not true.

There's nothing wrong with focusing non-intrusive initiatives on 1 gender if handled correctly. Part of the process ideally involves dispelling any bullshit myths that have allowed the game industry to go unnoticed by many as a very acheiveable career. If half of gamers are women then it's reasonable to assume the industry really is not being represented as well as it could be considering how disproportionate it is next to the extent of just how dominated it is by males. That's all they see in victim mode and will not go further. "Fixing" in this case is simply raising awareness so women can help themselves becoming qualified, not giving them special treatment.

Of course there will be negative side effects, people will judge it as harmful sexist handouts on the surface, but screw em the benefits still outweigh any ignorance they'll gradually shed if it does deliver positive results

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So ultimately it's just another call to go out of our way to get women to go and get science degrees, supporting them on the basis of sex, so that we can hire them instead of men looking for the same jobs, on the basis of sex.

This is why I don't take feminism seriously.

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"...she acknowledged EA employs far more men than women, and this is an "issue to fix." "

How is that an issue? If they hired more men because they're men, then yes that would be an issue. The mere fact that most of their employees are male "is an issue?" That makes literally no sense, unless they were hired with the sole aim of being discriminatory.

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@flammable_zeus All women are feminists, but some are just more radical then others. She sounds like she has an agenda. Even though theres a good reason for more men then women she still resents it.

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You're all a bunch of idiots blaming women for sexism, or even better justifying it.

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@Murtarg777 Sexism is the belief that one gender is superior to the other. Not so, but it certainly does not discount that the two genders are different in many ways.

If the definition of sexism is that men and women generally are different, then I am a sexist.

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@Spokker Fortunately for you, the second paragraph isn't the definition of sexism.

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@Murtarg777 I am not basing my opinions on hate but on personal experience. I don't hate women but when a man says something that isn't pro female their labbeled a sexist. It's easier to win an argument that way then to come up with an actual logical point.

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@digitaltiger @Murtarg777 "Some careers are more suitable for men and some are better fits for women." ...How? And how are all women feminist? And why did you start going on about secretaries? If women weren't give so much shit when they play games online and being made to "prove" they're nerds, I'm sure there would be more women in the industry. But this article is just stupid for saying: "It's easy to blame men for sexism", like who else exactly is likely to be the blame?

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@Murtarg777 Some jobs require lots of physical strength so men are more likely to get into that career. Where women are better at looking after sick people because their more kind and empithetic with others. All women are pro female so that makes them feminists. The secretaries part was an example of the point I was making. I don't play games online so I can't make any comments about that but I do know that some men are jerks and if that is happening then I am very disappointed in in them but I am not ashamed to be a man. Some women blame men for everything I have met many, but I have also met women that don't as well.

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@Murtarg777 @digitaltiger

"...How?"

It is uncontroversial to say that men are more suitable for professions that require physical strength. Coal mining, firefighting, lumberjack.

When you get into white-collar work, it becomes more controversial to talk about preferences and suitability. Some would say that women are more suitable for people-orientated careers, and this would explain why they are more likely to go into psychology than men.

This is not to say that a woman would not thrive in video games or a man would not thrive in psychology. One mistake people often make is getting offended at generalities. That there are exceptions to every rule is implied, but this does not disprove the rule.

I saw that the vast majority of workplace injuries accrue to men. I never thought that this is something that had to be "fixed" in the context of gender equality. Few do. Because how would you actually fix it? Require that more women cut down trees? Require that more women go capture crab? These are male problems to be solved by men. This is the same way I feel about other disparities in life.

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When I visit a EB Games store the only women I see are mothers buying games for their sons and girl friends that are just there because their boy friends are buying. There are a couple of girls working there as well but it's clearly not 50/50, more like 75/25. That might be different at the offices of a gaming developer but are the women making games or are they secretaries? I have nothing against secretaries and I am not implying that their work is substandard but secretaries are not really part of the gaming industry, their part of the administrative side and that is nessasary to all industries. Secretaries work with dentists but they don't do root canals.

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@digitaltiger The vast majority of new PhDs are going to women. A fucking PhD! It's not that women do not have opportunity, it's that they are choosing to have different careers.

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@Spokker @digitaltiger that's his point. There aren't many women in the gaming industry. I think this is more a socialization issue than a sexism issue. Something is off if so many women aren't even attempting to pursue STEM degrees by the time they enter college (even though they comprise 60% of college students).

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@TheHappyDrunk What is off? What is wrong? What is the problem that needs to be fixed?

I saw many female students in accounting but much fewer in economics. I had one graduate level economics class of 12 that was entirely male. Most PhDs awarded in economics go to men.

When I took my core lower division accounting courses it was mostly female. Women are 61% of all accountants and auditors in the United States. This is not a bullshit profession. It is a proud profession with very good lifetime earning potential.

Again, what's the fucking problem?

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@Spokker Exactly, women are not choosing to be in the gaming industry as much as men are. Thats why theres more men in gaming and not because of sexism. But some women see the difference and automatically cry sexism with out getting the facts.

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There is no problem here. Feminism tells women they can embrace slutty behavior and it's ok because it's on their terms (modeling, movie roles, Halloween, cosplay, etc). But if men make some attractive sprites for their games, removing the attention from the real life women, there is a problem.

It's a free country. There is nothing stopping a bunch of women from banding together and making an all female indie game house; producing games that specifically target these supposed female gamers. They don't do this, however, because they don't care about gaming (in numbers that matter).

Remember that woman who got $158,922.00 to make some web videos about how oppressed women are in games? Why couldn't she do that for free? Why can't she do a piece on positive female presence in games? Better yet, why couldn't she make a game of her own to support her 'cause'? Oh right, that would actually be a logical course of action.

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@boord Some women just like playing the victim, it feeds their ego and makes them feel like their not responcable for their problems. Some times I find myself doing the same thing and if I don't stop feeling sorry for myself nothing gets fixed. I have also met women that take charge and don't whine, unfortunatly many women don't deal with problems that way.

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Based on my observations many women think that if something is not at the very least 50/50 then they're being oppresed. Some careers are more suitable for men and some are better fits for women. Unfortunatly some women have been brainwashed into attacking any man who doesn't agree with their interpitation of the world. Women get away with alot that men wouldn't beable to and this enboldens them in to pushing their propaganda to the edge and may times over the edge. Some men can be just as bad just in different ways but my point is many women quite often hurt their chances, because no one can trust whats be said cause of so many lies in the past. If women want to get into gaming I say great but don't force your way in through despicable means.

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@digitaltiger Check how many new psychology PhDs go to men and how many how to women. Few complain about this.

More women are in college than men. Boys are falling beyond in school. Where's the outrage?

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@Spokker Maybe their going to the trades instead since there in high demand and it costs a lot less in school fees.

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@Spokker Sounds like a good idea.

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@digitaltiger @Spokker Nothing wrong with learning a trade! I would just recommend going to a real junior college and not some vocational school that advertises during Povich.

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So where are all these great female kickstarters? Where are the women who want to realize their visions? Who's holding them back exactly?

I'd argue that the games industry is so open today that anyone who wants to work in it can do it. It simply depends on how motivated you are.

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@RoOhDiNi The top video game project on Kickstarter headed by a woman is about shaming the industry.

The top video game project on Kickstarter headed by a guy is about cutting out his own piece of the industry and giving the middle finger to the big publishers.

When a guy who trained all his life, self-taught or university-taught, is told to **** off by a big company, he has no one to blame, no one to advocate for him. The only thing he can do is take advantage of the platforms available to go around the traditional system.

Women, on the other hand, can blame it on sexism and paranoid fears about the patriarchy. They are more paranoid than gun nuts.

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