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Sony Won't Refund PS4 User Who Lost $600 From Hack [Update]

PlayStation firm only offering $150 in PSN credit; Account will be banned if dispute is raised with bank.

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Update: Sony's escalation team has decided to pay a full refund, in this case. It is unclear whether the company will make any broader changes to its refund policies.

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Questions have been raised over the standard of Sony's customer services after it was discovered that the victim of a PlayStation 4 hack would not be fully refunded the $600 that was stolen from him.

"The Sony representative told me that they are only permitted to refund up to $150"

Reddit user Kadjar

A Reddit user, going by the name Kadjar, explained that he awoke on Wednesday morning with a series of email alerts stating that about $600 of content had been purchased through his account. He also discovered that his PlayStation 4 has been deactivated from PSN and another system, of which the location is unknown, has seized control as the primary system on the account.

Having spoken to Sony customer services on several occasions throughout the day, his criticisms of its response was summarized accordingly:

  • Sony will only refund $150 of the $600 that was taken.
  • The money will be in PSN credit, and not refunded into the bank.
  • If the user escalates the payment dispute with his bank, his account will be banned.
  • If his account is banned, his purchased licences for games, such as The Last of Us Remastered, will be wiped.
  • If the licences are wiped, there is no way of restoring them.

The user's PlayStation 4 cannot be designated as the primary console for another 6 months, meaning it is locked out of the account until then.

If a PlayStation 4 loses its place as the primary console, users must wait six months to reverse the policy.
If a PlayStation 4 loses its place as the primary console, users must wait six months to reverse the policy.

Readers on Reddit have voiced outrage at what they consider poor protection from account hacks. Others have urged that this story highlights how important it is that users protect their account with a very strong password, due to the lack of protection should something go wrong.

GameSpot has contacted Sony to discuss the matter or provide some clarification.

Kadjar has published images of his online chat with Sony customer services, and highlights three other cases where users have complained about similar issues.

His post reads:

"This morning, I started receiving emails indicating a number of purchases on my PSN account. As the transactions came in, one-by-one, it became immediately clear that my account had been hacked. I immediately logged into PSN and removed my card from the account, changed my email and password, and simultaneously launched support chats with both Sony and my bank.

"The Sony representative told me that they are only permitted to refund transactions of up to $150. He also informed me that I could dispute the charges with my bank, but by doing so, my account would be banned from PSN. As a result, I would permanently lose all of my purchases, including the Last of Us Remastered.

"He also informed me that my existing PS4 had been deactivated from the network this morning, and that a new one had been activated. When I asked him to deactivate that new, mystery PS4, he said he could not. I then turned on my PS4, logged in with my new credentials, and attempted to activate my PS4 with my account, but it informed me that I could not activate it as long as there was another PS4 bound to my account.

"I called customer support, hoping for some clarification. The agent informed me that there is indeed a refund investigation underway, but that it will be limited to $150, and that it would be credited to my PSN wallet, not my bank account.

"Furthermore, my account will not be able to activate a new system for 6 months, per Sony policy. I'm completely locked out of my own account until that date. I then asked about what would happen if I got my bank to reverse the charges, and he informed me that it would result in a banned account. I asked if there would be any way to restore my purchases, and he told me that there would not be, but I 'only have the Last of Us and a couple of the monthly free deal games,' so it's not a big deal."

Several Reddit users have offered Kadjar copies of their games, which he has thanked them for, but declined.

"My goal here is bring attention to a few of Sony's bad customer service policies in the hopes that they'll change them," he said.

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we don't even know the whole story here. that kid may have given out his personal info via chat or any number of possibilities. a company should not protect people who are being irresponsible with personal information. now, this kid could very well be a victim. if that is the case, then he can likely get money back form his credit card company if he files a claim. if not, then he is just a very unlucky individual. s**t happens.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> well, knowing Sony with their shi**y security and constant hacks - I think we know whose fault it is.

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Nah, this guy opinion is PARAMOUNT. His word is from GAWD himself. Who are we to even oppose his views? lol

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Damn, forget about genocides, wars, famines, mass shootings, science facts....Me having an opposing view to yours alone is proof enough lol. Parasites? Gee, coming from you that's acompliment. Get that sony's dck out of your mouth and breath a bit, seriously, i don't think there is enough oxygen getting to your brain. You seem upset little monkey...lol

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I just gave you a sound advice little monkey, but looks like your damaged brain can't register most of it. Nothing really surprising.

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Damn, It's Dr Phil, excuse me, i meant Jerry Springer. He already profiled me by just few words online. You gave so much details in your description, it's almost as if you were projecting your life onto mine hahaha. Don't take your case for a generality, that's kind of pathetic. You go so far for a difference of opinion over a piece of plastic lol. I'm just glad, it wasn't a face to face chat, i would have probably getting stabbed or something, seeing how delusional you are. Don't forget your Prozac.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> nothing you say on here has an ounce of value, optimism or insight. the only thing you are good at is arguing and pushing your resentment onto others. how can you live with yourself? grow up and stop being a prick already. and that applies to your tr0ll dude bros as well.

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I would contact my bank, and file a dispute. who cares about losing a couple digital games and getting banned. I'd rather get my money back and switch to xbox at that point

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or a good gaming PC for me at least.

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People need to stop confusing customer service with bad policies. This is a case of a bad policy. I think we all know customer service depends on how you luck out and get on the phone. Sometimes its great, sometimes is bad. From this it looks like this is policy based.


Of course sony will make a statement to make it look like they had no idea about this going on. Wait for it by tomorrow.

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Well,this certainly doesn't make me more anxious to get a PS4, since the system relies more on PSN.

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Boy am I glad I don't buy digital.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Every digital title I own came free, I'll even buy a retail copy of a game I own digitally just so I have the disc.

Take into account, however, that I am a pretty insane/psycho video game collector, so my stance on retail vs digital is fairly biased.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >>If you can still call me a hoarder without drooling/cu.mming as you step foot into my game room than..well..no...you wont be able to.

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Nice story for troIIs and haters to comment on...probably didnt read the whole conversation.

The case isnt closed so this guy could end up getting all his money back.
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<< LINK REMOVED >> "If the user escalates the payment dispute with his bank, his account will be banned" that part seems harsh tho

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I've dealt with both Sony and MS over the years, so this doesn't come as a complete surprise.

Contrary to popular belief, MS has always been more than fair with disputes. They once let me keep the game, and gave me the refund for it.

Sony on the other hand, has often times been uncompromising when it comes to things like this. Sony are a greedy lot it seems.

It's one of the main reasons why I prefer to dwell in the MS ecosystem, rather than Sony's.

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even a shitty company would give him 600$ back on Store credit Minimum.. whats Digital Content to Sony? or any type of software/Digital data.. Reminds of how Apple was forced to pay all these costumers back for not Issuing refunds..

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