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Sony Won't Refund PS4 User Who Lost $600 From Hack [Update]

PlayStation firm only offering $150 in PSN credit; Account will be banned if dispute is raised with bank.

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Update: Sony's escalation team has decided to pay a full refund, in this case. It is unclear whether the company will make any broader changes to its refund policies.

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Questions have been raised over the standard of Sony's customer services after it was discovered that the victim of a PlayStation 4 hack would not be fully refunded the $600 that was stolen from him.

"The Sony representative told me that they are only permitted to refund up to $150"

Reddit user Kadjar

A Reddit user, going by the name Kadjar, explained that he awoke on Wednesday morning with a series of email alerts stating that about $600 of content had been purchased through his account. He also discovered that his PlayStation 4 has been deactivated from PSN and another system, of which the location is unknown, has seized control as the primary system on the account.

Having spoken to Sony customer services on several occasions throughout the day, his criticisms of its response was summarized accordingly:

  • Sony will only refund $150 of the $600 that was taken.
  • The money will be in PSN credit, and not refunded into the bank.
  • If the user escalates the payment dispute with his bank, his account will be banned.
  • If his account is banned, his purchased licences for games, such as The Last of Us Remastered, will be wiped.
  • If the licences are wiped, there is no way of restoring them.

The user's PlayStation 4 cannot be designated as the primary console for another 6 months, meaning it is locked out of the account until then.

If a PlayStation 4 loses its place as the primary console, users must wait six months to reverse the policy.
If a PlayStation 4 loses its place as the primary console, users must wait six months to reverse the policy.

Readers on Reddit have voiced outrage at what they consider poor protection from account hacks. Others have urged that this story highlights how important it is that users protect their account with a very strong password, due to the lack of protection should something go wrong.

GameSpot has contacted Sony to discuss the matter or provide some clarification.

Kadjar has published images of his online chat with Sony customer services, and highlights three other cases where users have complained about similar issues.

His post reads:

"This morning, I started receiving emails indicating a number of purchases on my PSN account. As the transactions came in, one-by-one, it became immediately clear that my account had been hacked. I immediately logged into PSN and removed my card from the account, changed my email and password, and simultaneously launched support chats with both Sony and my bank.

"The Sony representative told me that they are only permitted to refund transactions of up to $150. He also informed me that I could dispute the charges with my bank, but by doing so, my account would be banned from PSN. As a result, I would permanently lose all of my purchases, including the Last of Us Remastered.

"He also informed me that my existing PS4 had been deactivated from the network this morning, and that a new one had been activated. When I asked him to deactivate that new, mystery PS4, he said he could not. I then turned on my PS4, logged in with my new credentials, and attempted to activate my PS4 with my account, but it informed me that I could not activate it as long as there was another PS4 bound to my account.

"I called customer support, hoping for some clarification. The agent informed me that there is indeed a refund investigation underway, but that it will be limited to $150, and that it would be credited to my PSN wallet, not my bank account.

"Furthermore, my account will not be able to activate a new system for 6 months, per Sony policy. I'm completely locked out of my own account until that date. I then asked about what would happen if I got my bank to reverse the charges, and he informed me that it would result in a banned account. I asked if there would be any way to restore my purchases, and he told me that there would not be, but I 'only have the Last of Us and a couple of the monthly free deal games,' so it's not a big deal."

Several Reddit users have offered Kadjar copies of their games, which he has thanked them for, but declined.

"My goal here is bring attention to a few of Sony's bad customer service policies in the hopes that they'll change them," he said.

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You see???


This is WHY digital media is bad for us. In the past you bought the game, you got the disc, the game is yours, they can't take it from you. Now you pay for the illusion of having something you don't really have and they can take it from you anytime they want!

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<< LINK REMOVED >> you do know having the disk means nothing now, the games are simply installed onto the harddrive (as well as patches) if wanted too sony, nintendo, MS can remove patches off the console as well as deny access to disks. the only thing a disk gets you these days is the ability to return a game and get some money back.

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he should go straight to court

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And get a good Lawyer who knows what they are doing.

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This is why I always use gift cards, whether on PSn or iTunes. I don't want any of them to have my credit card information.


Also, I know it's quite a shitty situation for this guy but if your PC gets hacked and something is taken from you, do you expect microsoft or apple or your ISP to compensate you? I think expecting Sony to give everything is lost is a bit irrational. So is the idea that every network is impervious to hacks and online attacks or has to be.

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I half-agree with you. Yeah, I never store my card info ever, that implying I never buy anything from iTunes or for my Android devices, unless it's from third party stores (Amazon, Humble Bundles), from where I can temporarily use the info. But a PC isn't the same thing as a PS4, Xbox One or iPhone. On a PC, you have the freedom to purchase from wherever you want, be it on Windows or Linux. But you don't have the same privilege on those closed systems. Yes, when you make a purchase on a PS4 (for example), that's Sony's store. So any refunds can come only from them. You can't just say "well s*** happens, deal with it", you wouldn't say that if this happened to you. Sony is responsible in this case, and more so when they threaten their customer not to escalate matters with the bank.

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If my iTunes account was hacked I would expect Apple to pay me back. You are entrusting them with your credit card. They had a breach and are responble for repair the damage they cause by not knowing about or not about a security flaw. If you what to Target and some stole your CC, you would expect them to reimburse you or at least not ban you from going there if you reverse the charges.

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Be wrong once is human nature. Be wrong twice is silliness. I never use credit cards on PSN.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> i never went back to sony after the big ps3 hack.

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Sounds Shitty so far.

But before I can get my rage on, I need to hear the other side of the story.

There always another side!

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<< LINK REMOVED >> another side is known to be a professional liar

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Plot twist: It was Sony who took the money and will give back 25 cents on the dollar.

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Keep calm. Sony will give you Driveclub PS+ Edition as compensation.

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Wow, nice job Sony, way to create a huge Promotional disaster over a difference of $600 dollars, real bank up senior team of PR professionals you have working over there. I would report this to the bank in a heartbeat. who cares if you lost your last of us purchase, that is $60 versus $600.


I don't even understand the hesitation there. I would call my bank, then my next call would be to a lawyer.


I would be interested to hear about xbox policy on this as well, see if both companies are in the same boat.

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<< LINK REMOVED >> Myabe someone here on xbox has a similar tale that ended differently? I would also like to know

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> MS offers a two step authorization process. If anyone tries to log on from another computer, change any info, banking, address, anything you are sent a text or an email with a code. The fact that Sony still has not set this up after their big hack is unbelievable and irresponsible.

If that was setup this probably would not have happened.

But people will defend sony.

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> that 's true to as well i forgot about that one. sony is awful for this and yet people still their products. i bet the person who they did to will never buy another ps brand console because of it

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> oh crap. I know this do'h. Thanks for posting

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> no because you can call microsoft and they will go over their policy with you on the phone

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<< LINK REMOVED >> xbox has an insurance policy. if your account gets hacked microsoft will allow and pay any damages up to 100,000 dollars

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Wouldnt he also have the $600 worth of purchases the hacker made? Sounds funny to me

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<< LINK REMOVED >> no because sony will remove it and the bank will not approve it

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> Oh right, because he would be disputing the charges

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<< LINK REMOVED >><< LINK REMOVED >> he or she should sue them

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That's a terrible support attitude and needs to be addressed ASAP. It's seriously bad that an innocent customer can be put through that.

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this is the sony i know, the bad customer service sony, this is why i think personally no one should support them. they do this stuff all the time. it wrong and they should do better business with the people who buy thier products but some how i don't think they care.

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oh, wow... this is horrible... shame on Sony.

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Sony has the shittiest support attitude

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Damn. It's a good thing I only use pre-paid cards on PSN, (same for XBL) so I won't have to use my credit card. I don't often buy things on the web but when I do, I contact my credit card co. and make sure I'm cover before I buy anything.

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wow thats poor shame on you sony

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What was that I heard about Sony caring about it's customers? I'm going to have to remove my credit card off my PSN then.

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Yikes... That sucks

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