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There Is No World Where Starfield Is So Good People Sell Their PS5 And Move To Xbox, Phil Spencer Says

"We are not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo."

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Microsoft Gaming CEO Phil Spencer has commented on the battle between Microsoft and rivals Sony and Nintendo, saying Xbox sits in third place and the idea that Microsoft could just make better games to gain marketshare doesn't hold up. Spencer said even if Starfield is the best game in the history of the world, that wouldn't be enough to help Xbox overtake PlayStation.

Speaking to Kinda Funny, Spencer said Microsoft's goal is not to "out-console" Sony or Nintendo in terms of sales. Unfortunately for Microsoft, it lost the sales race in the Xbox One/PS4 generation, and the company has no hope of making it back to No. 1 by console sales alone, Spencer said.

"We are not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo. There isn't really a great solution or win for us. And I know that will upset a ton of people. But the truth of the matter is that when you're third place in a console marketplace and the top two players are as strong as they are and in certain cases have a discrete focus on doing deals and other things that will--that make being Xbox hard for us as a team--our vision is everyone on console has a great experience and they feel like a first-class citizen," Spencer said.

"I see commentary out there--'If you just build great games, everything will turn around.' It's just not true [that] if we go off and build great games, all of a sudden you're going to see console share shift in some dramatic way. We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation, where everybody built their digital library of games. 90% of the people every year who walk into a retailer to buy a console are already a member of one of the three ecosystems. Their digital library is there."

Given that people's gaming libraries are now made up significantly of digital games that move with them to new machines, the era of new console generations marking a clear line in the sand have ended. People can now more seamlessly shift from platform to platform, at least within the same family, which makes it so difficult to convince people to switch. Even if Starfield is the best game ever, that won't be enough for Xbox to overtake Sony, Spencer said.

"I see a lot of pundits out there who kind of want to go back to the time where we all had cartridges and discs and every new generation was a clean slate. And you could switch the whole console share. That is just not the world that we are in today. There is no world where Starfield is an 11/10 and people start selling their PS5s. That's not going to happen," Spencer said.

So what does Microsoft do, then? Spencer said the company has a "unique vision" in the marketplace where it doesn't focus exclusively on a console platform. Instead, Microsoft is building an infrastructure that supports games across devices, including phones and tablets through streaming. In short, Microsoft wants to make games available on as many platforms as possible to help reach the widest possible audience, Spencer said.

"The console is the core of the Xbox brand, no doubt, so we will stay focused on making sure that console experience is awesome. Some people want to hold us up and believe we are a 'better green version of what the blue guys do,' and I'm just going to say, 'There is not a win for Xbox in staying in the wake of somebody else.' We have to go off and do our own thing," Spencer said.

The PS5 is nearing 40 million systems sold since 2020, while the Switch has sold more than 122 million units. Microsoft, for its part, does not announce Xbox sales numbers.

In other news, Spencer recently reacted to Redfall's poor reviews and explained what went wrong.

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I think he’s absolutely correct. Xbox is never likely to ever beat playstation when it comes to console sales. And the main reason imo is this.

The ps brand is older than Xbox for starters and more gamers today have grown up over the years with playstation as their console of choice. A lot more than Xbox has. Ps has simply built up a larger loyal fanbase earlier than what Xbox has.

And I’m pretty sure playstation is sold in more markets around the world too. It isn’t because playstation consoles and games are inherently better and they’re not imo.

On the contrary imo Xbox still has the best 3P cover shooter in gaming with the Gears franchise, the best FPS exclusive Halo and now there’s also Doom, Wolfenstein etc etc(ps no longer even has a FPS exclusive) and Xbox still has the best driving games with the Forza Horizon and MotorSport franchises easily beating GT!

And Xbox now has easily the best indie support and obviously Game Pass destroys ps+. Xbox live is better than psn, the Xbox controller is the best out of the big three with Nintys Switch pro pad 2nd and the dualsense bringing up the rear.

So basically Xbox has the best all round gaming offering/package/ecosystem out of the big three and have done since inception.

I mean if it wasn’t for Xbox we’d probably still be playing our Nintendos and PlayStations via 56k dialup lol!

playstation only have the 3P action adventure game on lock and games of a similar template. And most of those almost all are overrated by a biased gaming media and critics.

They sorely need more variety!

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@gamerbum: Halo/Gears/Fable are pretty much dead. Forza is good if u like racing games however its more arcadey compared to Gran Turismo and Gran Turismo VR is arguably one of the greatest racing games ever. Game Pass is decent but most of the Day 1 games are trash and ps plus still has some banger exclusives and a good value also. Xbox live and playstation online are basically tied for online play nowadays. I own both and dont see much of a difference there.

Xbox exclusives have generally sucked the last 10 years and they had an abysmal 2022. 2023 will be terrible also if starfield bombs which it probably will. I cant think of anything really noteworthy from xbox besides Forza horizon recently and thats fairly niche. Nintendo has Tears of the Kingdom, Sony has Spiderman 2/Final Fantasy/PSVR2, Xbox once again has a year that is drier than the saharah desert. They only have 2 notable games this year: Redfall and Starfield. Redfall flopped as hard as Saints Row and runs at 30fps. Shit has gotten so bad at xbox that even Phil himself has to damage control and apologize for the 2nd year in a row

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@Fairmonkey: Me thinks you mix up Forza Horizon(which is arcade racing) and Forza Motorsport(which is simmish racing)

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@gamerbum: LOL, nice dmg control

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@gamerbum: Dude FYI I do a lot of sim racing and I don't ever hear people talking about Forza being even remotely comparable to Gran Turismo (which does has its own faults IMO but on a different league hell). The upcoming game would have to have a much better sell than just graphics to unseat the position GT7 has with its player base (pretty significant portion of the driving sim population)

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@gamerbum: Xbox is for serious hard core player but now more people are player than before this is why Xbox want to buy King so Xbox not looking at PlayStation they can see a bigger market and Sony only attention on the small market.

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@thatforumuser: Xbox is for hardcore Xbox fans*

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@thatforumuser:

Yes you are correct good sir.

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@gamerbum: Steam has the best indie support in the industry and the Xbox controller is still just as prone to failure as it has been since the 360.

Xbox had their day during the early 360 era, but they screwed it up by producing fireballs for consoles, then doubled down by screwing up with the launch of the X1. All of their key franchises have been in steady decline except the odd AA hit. It's very easy to identify the exact reasoning for Xbox's decline. Heck, I'd totally buy a Series S, but it's exactly Xbox's certain policies on things that have turned me off from ever again buying anything from the MS store.

No, the Xbox brand deserves every single bit of criticism it gets. Playstation and Nintendo also get plenty of criticism, but bad games isn't one of them.

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@Barighm:

Wasn’t talking about steam. Coz I don’t use steam wouldn’t know how good their indie support is. Was talking about Xbox’s indie support vs playstations and Xbox’s is better and a lot of the games come to GP.

Steady decline? Do you mean in regards to sales? That may be true but what I said still stands even though it’s subjective at the end of the day.

What’s not subjective but objective is the fact that Xbox has the best online Network, best most powerful console, best controller, and by far the best subscription service!

Xbox does deserve criticism when it’s warranted and as long as it’s truthful criticism and not lies like a hell of a lot is from fanboys in here. BS lies. Negative narratives. Xbox bashing. That’s mostly what you see.

Playstation gets a lot of criticism? They get a lot of passes too and the fanboys, the SDF, the playstation nation, the pony’s are more likely to lap up any old BS sony through at them rather than hold them to account.

And when it comes to the media? You’d have to be blind not to see the double standard that’s been in play for years now. Playstation good Xbox bad is about right yeah? And the fanboys are only too happy to play along.

It’s blatantly obvious.

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@gamerbum: "What’s not subjective but objective is the fact that Xbox has the best online Network, best most powerful console, best controller, and by far the best subscription service!"

And yet almost every bit of that is subjective.

Live is solid, psn works fine too. Both charge.

Powerful console yes, best console? Subjective.

Controller subjective. To prove that, I prefer dualsense over all, sorry haptics for the win.

Subscription service? Psn vs live is subjective. Gamepass is better value than ps++ though, although having some first party games that are good would go a long way.

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@VXXXJesterXXXV:

No. Xbox live is faster and more reliable. That’s a fact.

More powerful console normally means you can run games better.

So more power better console!(If said console is taken advantage of)

Xbox controller is ergonomically better. It’s pretty much universally accepted that it’s a more naturally comfortable joy pad and no amount of haptics can account for that. The DualShock 4 is more comfortable than the sense for gods sake!

And GP is far better than ps+ that’s not even a debate so what I said still stands.

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@gamerbum: More cheaters on Live. Automatic loss.

No significant difference between performance. The most significant advantage either one has is the PS5 hard drive.

For me the controller isn't close. I use the DS5 on the PC despite the Xbox's better connectivity, but that's obviously different for everyone.

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@gamerbum: Seriously though, how long have you been on MS's payroll. You're outrageous at this point.

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Look I’m not on any payroll. I’ve been on Xbox since the beginning. Everything I said is what I believe and in a lot of it is objectively true. You don’t have to agree with me that’s fine but don’t try and say that I’m bought and payed for. C’mon now!

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@gamerbum: "but don’t try and say that I’m bought and payed for."

Then stop acting like it.

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@thecupidstunts:

I’m not. What I say is what I believe it’s not about being bought and pay for sheesh! I I resent the insult.

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@gamerbum: And I resent you always fangushing all over everyone. So let's make it more enjoyable for each other, you stop with the endless MS shilling, and I'll stop accusing you of shilling for MS.

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@thecupidstunts:

Again it’s not shilling and I resent that too lol. What I write on here I actually believe. It’s not about being a fanboy I happen to believe what I’m writing.

If you don’t like it don’t read it but it’s not shilling so don’t call me that ok?🙄

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@gamerbum: "I resent that too".

And I resent you calling people "ponies", and telling them that their comments are a joke, and acting like other people need to be harangued for liking a different piece of plastic and wires than you do.

Act like an adult, and you'll be treated like one. 🤨

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LMAO. Bro you got me there I have called a lot of people ponys but I didn’t think it derogatory. I just give back what I get you know? Getting called a shill and whatnot. Being called an Xbot is funny to me that doesn’t really bother me.

Question. What does pony actually mean. I thought it meant playstation fanboy. If that’s what it means I don’t really see a problem with it. There’s a lot worse things to be called lol.

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@gamerbum: "I just give back what I get you know? Getting called a shill and whatnot.

You've got that backwards, you get back what you put out.

"What does pony actually mean."

It's a derogatory term that means someone who vehemently and blindly defends Sony. It's not a term of endearment.

Listen, I don't want to, or like to, get in these kinds of discussions with someone because I don't want to insult anyone, or derail discussions. I'm sure our entire exchange here will get deleted by the mods, (and it probably should), but it needed to be said.

We can all have differing opinions all day long, what matters is how we disagree, not that we actually do.

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@thecupidstunts:

👍Here here! That’s the nicest you’ve spoken to me all day. All good pal have a nice day!

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@gamerbum: iam sure whoever reads ur "imo" takes has less brain cells now .

Dude ease up on the brand loyality

Iam a ps fan and what he said is just a catastrophe because even if people wont go sell their ps5 or 4 , they could just get a SX and have em both since pc ports are a buggy mess these days and very expensive.

So even if we wont sell but show us something interesting and we will gladly go buy SX . I for one reallllllly wanna play forza 5 even i suck at racing games but it looks phenomenal and my pc cant run it on 4k 60

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Mate it’s not about brand loyalty what I say I actually believe. You don’t have to agree with me!

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@gamerbum: MS been in the console business for 22 years (since 2001), Sony for 28 years (since 1995). Don't tell me poor underdog MS, with its limitless budget, can't compete with the mighty Sony, which pretty much survives because of the PS brand.

Microsoft just hasn't taken the trouble to nurture its own studios or even develop a design ethos. You'd think after three console generations you'd have an idea of what an "xbox studios game" is like, but you can't, MS just throws stuff to the wall hoping something sticks.

If you think about it, Sony-Playstation only started to strongly push 1st party studios to prop up the PS2, same time Xbox appeared on scene so you can't claim that MS didn't have time or money to develop their own IPs and nurture their first party studios.

The narrative that poor wittle MS was just forced to buy 3rd party publishers just so they could compete with Playstation´s mighty pipeline of exclusives is a lame excuse.

MS just scorching the earth for Sony because they can't compete on fair grounds. If the Xbox brand didn't have Microsoft's infinity money backing it it would have collapsed on the Xbox one presentation fiasco alone.

PS. I'm hating on MS because they have a bunch of great IP just completely abandoned and without direction. I'm still on the fence about getting a series X but there is just nothing that makes the xbox a must have console. No Zeldas or Uncharteds in sight.

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@molinars:

I never said Xbox didn’t have time to build its own studios and IP. I’ve just read your post and none of it applies to mine coz I wasn’t implying anything of what you’re saying I’m implying and I can’t be bothered to explain it to you. Go back and read my post again then read yours and and try and see where your jumping to conclusions.

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@molinars: Bingo. People forget Playstation first party games were pretty crappy during the PS1 era. The platform was actually propped up by devs like Square and a plethora of other studios churning out terrific game after terrific game. Sega and Nintendo were making crappy decisions at the time, but they were still considered the top dogs when Playstation released. Playstation focused more on allowing devs to do what they want and actually competing.

It was the exact same marketing environment the Xbox released in. Xbox didn't really start doing the same until the 360, and it did pay off for them. The difference is their first party games started to suck. They don't have any real excuse for falling behind.

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Pre damage controlling another shallow bug fest from Bethesda.🤡

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With such an attitude you cannot win, obviously.

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@Estel78: Yeah.

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@Estel78: I mean... nobody but a moron buys an entire console or sells their current one for one game..

At most even if it were the best game ever, AND their future library were looking to be fantastic.. it would convince someone to buy a series S/X

But everyone also knows it'll be on PC

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@shadow6323: More importantly, everyone knows it will be on STEAM.

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You're wrong Spencer, making great games could change it for sure. The problem is that anything you create can be played on PC, so you don't have any exclusives. So if someone has a good PC and they want a console, it doesn't make sense to grab a XBOX, they'll just pick PS5 or Switch, cause they can't play these games on PC.

One of the main reasons why I didn't get a XBOX myself, was because the controller was literally the same, and it's still using AA-batteries (we're in 2023). To me, it didn't feel like a jump into the next generation, the UI was also pretty much the same, as Microsoft claimed these things were good and you didn't want to change. For me, it sounds more like a lazy approach, or better yet, saving costs.

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@inmycontrol: Just buy these Amazon rechargeable ones.

Amazon Basics 8-Pack Rechargeable AA NiMH Batteries, 2000 mAh, Recharge up to 1000x Times, Pre-Charged

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@inmycontrol: I LOVE my AA batteries in my controller. I can easily pop them in & out and don't need to have a cord dangling around to charge my controller and have my cat & dog chew on wires!!

I would be fuming if they got rid of AA batteries!!!!!

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@just1mohr: Indeed. Proprietary internal batteries are more difficult to get and replace by the typical user than standard AA batteries (moreover, manufacturers discourage tinkering with the internal battery). Most of the time, when the internal battery dies you have to throw away the controller. And yes, my controllers have had a lifespan far longer than any battery.

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@inmycontrol:

More Switch than PS5 if you have PC, Sony exclusives although maybe after a period do make it to PC, I wouldn't buy a console just because I cannot wait, I'm sure some do though.

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But there is a world where i - a ps pony- would buy a series x to sit alongside my ps5 and play both whenever a good quality game comes out from green team or blue team...

How this guy still runs xbox is ... its blasphemous

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@afromakka: As Cole Phelps from L.A. Noire would say, I’m gonna have to press X to Doubt on that particular claim, bruh. Might wanna work on your concern trolling by the way. 🥱

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@agent_stroud: oh please , "bruh" enlighten me on why wouldnt i buy something i like? . Since god has gifted u with the power of enlightenment and seeing through us mere mortals

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@afromakka: You do realize I can look through your entire posting history, you absolute goof, and your blatant bias for Sony products makes Barighm’s fanboying for the PlayStation brand pale in comparison. Either drop the act or hide your post history before continuing to embarrass yourself further. 🥱

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