Best story in a Final Fantasy game?

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Can we all just agree FF VIII is pretty good and lay down our arms?

Seabas989

Nah that game was garbage.

You're mean.

[QUOTE="MLBknights58"]

[QUOTE="FreddyJeffery"] The 4th game in the series thats in your avatar? How would you rate it? It's the only one I have not played.FreddyJeffery

Megaman Zero 4 definitely brings back some of the difficulty that was lacking in previous titles, while taking the combat to the series heights. I admit my memory is foggy as I haven't replayed them recently (working on speed-running Megaman X2 atm) but I'm fairly certain this game has the most options as far as combat is concerned. Level design is also far better than it has been previously, at least IMO. Boss fights are just as tough as ever, made significantly easier once you figure out which elements/weapons work best. The story comes to a climactic finish, with one of the most difficult final encounters I've ever played. These are just some thoughts of the top of my head, as I feel you don't need an in depth review, nor did you ask for one.

I tend to gush, so I'll get down to the point, Megaman Zero 4 is one of the finest action games I've ever played. You should get your hands on it ASAP.

Well Megaman Zero 1 was pretty damn tough. Probably still the hardest in the series. 2 and 3 were significantly easier I felt, and 4 struck a middle ground between the prior to installments that felt challenging, but still more forgiving than 1 to some degree.

If that makes any sense at all. And keep in mind this is based upon my personal experience. If you found 2 and 3 to be hard, then you will probably find 4 to be harder.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]Yes it is :P

I think at this point I'll just agree to disagree. I don't think we can really hammer in anything else that we haven't already both stated. Plus I don't feel like taking another half our for just one post. Not to mention I haven't played FFX in years and it took some effort to remember all of that.

Perhaps we should do FFXII next :twisted:

FreddyJeffery

Yeah, I'm cool with agreeing to disagree. The walls of text are getting out of hand.

I'd like to debate FFXII as well, but TBH, my memory is so fuzzy on that game. I plan to replay it pretty soon tho.

I was actually planning to play 5 and 4 at some point. I'm not too sure about one. Maybe I'll play a visually-enhanced version.

Final Fantasy VIII til the last hour of Disc 3. It's an incomplete plot. Something must've gone wrong. Censorship? Writer's Block?

1. FFX

2. FFVII

3. FFVIII

Final Fantasy TacticsEikichi-Onizuka

This is the only right answer, after FFT is easily FF11. After that it all falls to the characters, an FF9 FF6 an FF4 had the best ones. After that you can argue for FF8 an FF10 or 12 or even 13 all you want, but bad characters = bad story.

An well I hate to vouche for soemthign I loath so much, Twilight the movies are the FF10, FF12, and FF8 of the final fantasy world, where the rest could pass for the books. Now I feel dirty.

[QUOTE="Eikichi-Onizuka"]Final Fantasy TacticsValknut4

This is the only right answer, after FFT is easily FF11. After that it all falls to the characters, an FF9 FF6 an FF4 had the best ones. After that you can argue for FF8 an FF10 or 12 or even 13 all you want, but bad characters = bad story.

An well I hate to vouche for soemthign I loath so much, Twilight the movies are the FF10, FF12, and FF8 of the final fantasy world, where the rest could pass for the books. Now I feel dirty.

Except it's just your opinion that those games have bad characters.

And if you think the Twilight books are any good, then I'm not sure it's an opinion that holds that much weight.

Final Fantasy 9 and Final Fantasy Tactics.

I remember 4 and 6 being good and have read a lot of really good articles about the story and characters of FF4 but it's been a long time since I've played them.

Still don't understand how anyone over the age of 5 can enjoy X's story. It's sooo bad.

Final Fantasy 9 and Final Fantasy Tactics.

I remember 4 and 6 being good and have read a lot of really good articles about the story and characters of FF4 but it's been a long time since I've played them.

Still don't understand how anyone over the age of 5 can enjoy X's story. It's sooo bad.Legolas_Katarn

You can enjoy it for being so bad it's funny but when I think about FFX it's really just so bad it's awful. Some of the worst characters, moments that don't make any sense or really hurt the lore of the world, worst voice acting, worst world, and most idiotic character designs I've ever seen and I've seen quite a bit.

Why do you think Spira is the worst world? Not only was it aesthetically beautiful, but it customs and rituals and what not were far more fleshed out than anything that had come before it in the series.

Also, I really fail to see what's wrong with the character designs besides Tidus' clothing and all those needless belts on Lulu's dress.

Honestly, I'm really really puzzled by some people's adverse reactions to FFX. But whatever. It's one of the most celebrated games in the series for good reason.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Can we all just agree FF VIII is pretty good and lay down our arms?

AcidSoldner

I love FFVIII, but the gameplay has more issues than other FF games.

This is the only thing i have to say on FFX. Tidus sounding like a mutant crow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik4JI4D7rZQ

Brilliant.

This is the only thing i have to say on FFX. Tidus sounding like a mutant crow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik4JI4D7rZQ

Brilliant.

Ilovegames1992

lol

This is the only thing i have to say on FFX. Tidus sounding like a mutant crow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik4JI4D7rZQ

Brilliant.

Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="Valknut4"]

[QUOTE="Eikichi-Onizuka"]Final Fantasy TacticsGreySeal9

This is the only right answer, after FFT is easily FF11. After that it all falls to the characters, an FF9 FF6 an FF4 had the best ones. After that you can argue for FF8 an FF10 or 12 or even 13 all you want, but bad characters = bad story.

An well I hate to vouche for soemthign I loath so much, Twilight the movies are the FF10, FF12, and FF8 of the final fantasy world, where the rest could pass for the books. Now I feel dirty.

Except it's just your opinion that those games have bad characters.

And if you think the Twilight books are any good, then I'm not sure it's an opinion that holds that much weight.

Do you know what hate, loath, an feel dirty imply? An you think FFX has a good story, but you miss all those key words...

I know whats good an whats bad, FFX is bad. People that like FF8 an FFX are twilight movie fans. Replace Twlight with anything if you'd like hunger games, Lord of the rings, any of that trash.

I'm about 18 hours into IX and the story's been getting a lot better, especially with the relationship between the Iifa Tree and the Black Mages.

I'm about 18 hours into IX and the story's been getting a lot better, especially with the relationship between the Iifa Tree and the Black Mages.

bowserjr123

FF9 has pretty great story, but I find it suffers from one thing... I dislike zidane. Thats a personal preference though, he isnt a terrible character by any means.

Freya/Freja Dagger/Garnet ViVi all work so well into the game is impossible not to get wrapped up in the story. An that CG back in the day! 2 of the sence are so epic!

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Can we all just agree FF VIII is pretty good and lay down our arms?

GreySeal9

I love FFVIII, but the gameplay has more issues than other FF games.

[QUOTE="bowserjr123"]

I'm about 18 hours into IX and the story's been getting a lot better, especially with the relationship between the Iifa Tree and the Black Mages.

Valknut4

FF9 has pretty great story, but I find it suffers from one thing... I dislike zidane. Thats a personal preference though, he isnt a terrible character by any means.

Freya/Freja Dagger/Garnet ViVi all work so well into the game is impossible not to get wrapped up in the story. An that CG back in the day! 2 of the sence are so epic!

I actually like Zidane being flirtatious and laid back, I personally find it pretty unique for a main Final Fantasy character.

I really don't care for Quina...if you've played Xenoblade, he seems like the Riki of Final Fantasy IX lol. Also, I do like ViVi but IMO he's been kind of a wuss too. I understand that's part of his character, but I'd like to see him man up soon.

And agreed on the CG, I still find it amazing to watch.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Valknut4"]

This is the only right answer, after FFT is easily FF11. After that it all falls to the characters, an FF9 FF6 an FF4 had the best ones. After that you can argue for FF8 an FF10 or 12 or even 13 all you want, but bad characters = bad story.

An well I hate to vouche for soemthign I loath so much, Twilight the movies are the FF10, FF12, and FF8 of the final fantasy world, where the rest could pass for the books. Now I feel dirty.

Valknut4

Except it's just your opinion that those games have bad characters.

And if you think the Twilight books are any good, then I'm not sure it's an opinion that holds that much weight.

Do you know what hate, loath, an feel dirty imply? An you think FFX has a good story, but you miss all those key words...

I know whats good an whats bad, FFX is bad. People that like FF8 an FFX are twilight movie fans. Replace Twlight with anything if you'd like hunger games, Lord of the rings, any of that trash.

You think you know what's good and what's bad. Insisting you have good taste is not persuasive. Showing that you can critically analyze a story/character and explain why the character/story works or doesn't work is persuasive, but so far you have gone with "if you like FFX, you're a Twilight movie fan." That is not even in the ballpark of analysis, that is just babbling. If you cannot demonstrate the ability to deconstruct a story in an intelligent fashion without resorting to such cheap reasoning as "you like Twilight" (when you actually have no idea if any given FFX fan likes Twilight), why do you think that your insistence that you have good taste will carry any weight? Why do you think you should be taken seriously as a critic? Are you so deluded that you think any old opinion you sh!t out has critical weight?

I didn't miss any key words. You just don't know how to communicate in a clear fashion.

You said that FF10 and 8 are the Twilight movies because they are soooo bad and they rest of the games could pass for the books, implying that the books have some kind of merit. They don't. If that's not what you meant, then you're not considering the meaning that arises from the way that you've constructed your sentences.

Before you make yourself out to be some high brow critic (which you are not), please learn to write in a coherent fashion as to be better understood.

After dealing with this doozy of a post, I want to apologize to AcidSoldner for saying negative things about his analysis. :lol:

[QUOTE="Valknut4"]

[QUOTE="bowserjr123"]

I'm about 18 hours into IX and the story's been getting a lot better, especially with the relationship between the Iifa Tree and the Black Mages.

bowserjr123

FF9 has pretty great story, but I find it suffers from one thing... I dislike zidane. Thats a personal preference though, he isnt a terrible character by any means.

Freya/Freja Dagger/Garnet ViVi all work so well into the game is impossible not to get wrapped up in the story. An that CG back in the day! 2 of the sence are so epic!

I actually like Zidane being flirtatious and laid back, I personally find it pretty unique for a main Final Fantasy character.

I really don't care for Quina...if you've played Xenoblade, he seems like the Riki of Final Fantasy IX lol. Also, I do like ViVi but IMO he's been kind of a wuss too. I understand that's part of his character, but I'd like to see him man up soon.

And agreed on the CG, I still find it amazing to watch.

I love Quina. His outlook on life is so endearingly simple.

"I...so...happy" was the best line in the entire game IMO.

I used to not like Quina that much then I had characters like Tidus, Wakka, Vaan, Hope, Snow, the two kids from Lost Odyssey, etc and it made me appreciate it much more as time has gone on.

"I...so...happy" was the best line in the entire game IMO.

I used to not like Quina that much then I had characters like Tidus, Wakka, Vaan, Hope, Snow, the two kids from Lost Odyssey, etc and it made me appreciate it much more as time has gone on.

"I...so...happy" was the best line in the entire game IMO.Legolas_Katarn

Didn't Quina also say that leftovers are good when it was the last chosen when the party split up?

Yeah, he did. He also said "I do what I want! You have problem?"

Quina was full of quotable lines.

Honestly, I'm really really puzzled by some people's adverse reactions to FFX. But whatever. It's one of the most celebrated games in the series for good reason.

GreySeal9

I'd go into further detail, but Acid Soldner already said everything that needed to be said.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Honestly, I'm really really puzzled by some people's adverse reactions to FFX. But whatever. It's one of the most celebrated games in the series for good reason.

rilpas

I'd go into further detail, but Acid Soldner already said everything that needed to be said.

I'm aware that you guys think the story is terrible. I just think the arguments for the story being terrible are incredibly flimsy and shallow.

At best, examples of sloppy storytelling (which could be said about other games in the series) have been pointed out. But that doesn't tell me what's so bad about the story itself, that doesn't tell me where the game went wrong in terms of its themes and its story arcs. They are surface criticisms at best and with all due respect to AcidSoldner, some of the criticisms don't hold up to scrutiny, like the point about taking a detour for Blitzball or the point about the Al Bhed kidnappings.

Not to mention that there have been alot of criticisms about the character designs (which is subjecitve to the point that it can't really be discussed at length (either you like them or you don't) and unimportant in regards to story) and Tidus' personality (it seems pretty clear that Tidus was supposed to immature, so I don't get what complaining about his immaturity is supposed to highlight), which makes me think that there isn't a whole lot to critisize in terms of the actual story. It seems to me that the problems have more to do with plot holes and the fact that some people just don't care for the game's aesthetics and characters. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that the plot hole criticisms (the ones that are actually honest to God plotholes) are not valid, just that they don't outweigh the strong points of the story. For instance, Harry Potter has even more plot holes (tho to be fair, it's a series and FFX is one story, so it will), but I still think it's a great story in spite of them because the foundation is strong. I have a similar opinion about FFX. There are definitely more plot holes in FFX than FFIX, but what FFX is setting out to do thematically is just so much more ambitious.

FF IX has really boss characters. Vivi, Quina and Amarant are all great.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Honestly, I'm really really puzzled by some people's adverse reactions to FFX. But whatever. It's one of the most celebrated games in the series for good reason.

GreySeal9

I'd go into further detail, but Acid Soldner already said everything that needed to be said.

I'm aware that you guys think the story is terrible. I just think the arguments for the story being terrible are incredibly flimsy and shallow.

At best, examples of sloppy storytelling (which could be said about other games in the series) have been pointed out. But that doesn't tell me what's so bad about the story itself, that doesn't tell me where the game went wrong in terms of its themes and its story arcs. They are surface criticisms at best and with all due respect to AcidSoldner, some of the criticisms don't hold up to scrutiny, like the point about taking a detour for Blitzball or the point about the Al Bhed kidnappings.

I think they do. I mean come on, Yuna is kidnapped like what... 4 times throughout the game? Nevermind the fact that the Al Bhed's Plan is idiotic (not to say 'r' word).

And seriously, taking a break from saving the world for a freaking water polo tournament? Priorites! do you have them?

And even the world itself is terribly inconsistent, like, if Yevon hates technology so much then are its temples littered with it? Moreover, just who actually resets and repairs all of the technology that is destroyed in said temples after a summoner passed the cloyster of trials?

This is exactly what I mean by the game making me ask all the wrong questions

[QUOTE="bowserjr123"]

[QUOTE="Valknut4"]

FF9 has pretty great story, but I find it suffers from one thing... I dislike zidane. Thats a personal preference though, he isnt a terrible character by any means.

Freya/Freja Dagger/Garnet ViVi all work so well into the game is impossible not to get wrapped up in the story. An that CG back in the day! 2 of the sence are so epic!

GreySeal9

I actually like Zidane being flirtatious and laid back, I personally find it pretty unique for a main Final Fantasy character.

I really don't care for Quina...if you've played Xenoblade, he seems like the Riki of Final Fantasy IX lol. Also, I do like ViVi but IMO he's been kind of a wuss too. I understand that's part of his character, but I'd like to see him man up soon.

And agreed on the CG, I still find it amazing to watch.

I love Quina. His outlook on life is so endearingly simple.

"I...so...happy" was the best line in the entire game IMO.

I don't think I've heard that line yet (just starting disc 3) but yeah, I really don't care for his huge craving for food so far though and the fact that he reminds me of Riki lol

And Amarant just joined my team, he seems pretty bada$$ so far.

Also, the ending of disc 2 was pretty epic though, I'm looking forward to seeing how the characters deal with Kuja.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"] again: Because the story was absolutely terrible that only left me asking the wrong questions and because the characters were borderline idiots.

I'd go into further detail, but Acid Soldner already said everything that needed to be said.

rilpas

I'm aware that you guys think the story is terrible. I just think the arguments for the story being terrible are incredibly flimsy and shallow.

At best, examples of sloppy storytelling (which could be said about other games in the series) have been pointed out. But that doesn't tell me what's so bad about the story itself, that doesn't tell me where the game went wrong in terms of its themes and its story arcs. They are surface criticisms at best and with all due respect to AcidSoldner, some of the criticisms don't hold up to scrutiny, like the point about taking a detour for Blitzball or the point about the Al Bhed kidnappings.

I think they do. I mean come on, Yuna is kidnapped like what... 4 times throughout the game? Nevermind the fact that the Al Bhed's Plan is idiotic (not to say 'r' word).

And seriously, taking a break from saving the world for a freaking water polo tournament? Priorites! do you have them?

And even the world itself is terribly inconsistent, like, if Yevon hates technology so much then are its temples littered with it? Moreover, just who actually resets and repairs all of the technology that is destroyed in said temples after a summoner passed the cloyster of trials?

This is exactly what I mean by the game making me ask all the wrong questions

I agree that the kidnapping plot devices were overdone and trite. The story wouldn't have lost a thing with Luca kidnapping. When I said "kidnapping point", I wasn't talking about the actual kidnappings because I agree that they were some of the weaker parts of the plot. I was talking about the Al Bhed's motivation for kidnapping. I don't see how it's much different from the problems that people have with utilitarism in real life. In fact, I think it was downright neccesary to the story that some people object the sacrifice of summoners. It's more realistic that you have some people object IMO.

I still for the life of me don't get what's the problem with taking a detour for Blitzball. Like I said, it's not like they totally slacked off and ditched their pilgrimage to attend a whole bunch of tournaments around Spira. They just took a brief detour for one single tournament and then they got right back on the pilgrimage. Wakka even quit the team afterward to become a full-time guardian.

Isn't one of the major points the story is making is that Yevon is hypocritical?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="bowserjr123"]

I actually like Zidane being flirtatious and laid back, I personally find it pretty unique for a main Final Fantasy character.

I really don't care for Quina...if you've played Xenoblade, he seems like the Riki of Final Fantasy IX lol. Also, I do like ViVi but IMO he's been kind of a wuss too. I understand that's part of his character, but I'd like to see him man up soon.

And agreed on the CG, I still find it amazing to watch.

bowserjr123

I love Quina. His outlook on life is so endearingly simple.

"I...so...happy" was the best line in the entire game IMO.

I don't think I've heard that line yet (just starting disc 3) but yeah, I really don't care for his huge craving for food so far though and the fact that he reminds me of Riki lol

And Amarant just joined my team, he seems pretty bada$$ so far.

Also, the ending of disc 2 was pretty epic though, I'm looking forward to seeing how the characters deal with Kuja.

I'm pretty sure that line is in disc 2. It occurs when...

[spoiler] ...Dagger and Ziddane and Vivi and Quina get "married" to get out of Condie Petie. After the marriage ceremony, Quina says "I...so...happy..." [/spoiler]

Amarant is cool, but I feel he's a little underused.

Things get pretty intense as far as Kuja is concerned.

FF IX has really boss characters. Vivi, Quina and Amarant are all great.

Ilovegames1992

Vivi is my favorite RPG character ever.

[QUOTE="bowserjr123"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I love Quina. His outlook on life is so endearingly simple.

"I...so...happy" was the best line in the entire game IMO.

GreySeal9

I don't think I've heard that line yet (just starting disc 3) but yeah, I really don't care for his huge craving for food so far though and the fact that he reminds me of Riki lol

And Amarant just joined my team, he seems pretty bada$$ so far.

Also, the ending of disc 2 was pretty epic though, I'm looking forward to seeing how the characters deal with Kuja.

I'm pretty sure that line is in disc 2. It occurs when...

[spoiler] ...Dagger and Ziddane and Vivi and Quina get "married" to get out of Condie Petie. After the marriage ceremony, Quina says "I...so...happy..." [/spoiler]

Amarant is cool, but I feel he's a little underused.

Things get pretty intense as far as Kuja is concerned.

Yeah you're right, now I remember that line, that whole scenario was pretty hilarious.

And yeah, the death of [spoiler] Brahne [/spoiler] was pretty intense at the end of disc 2.

Overall, great game so far but not as great as VI. I feel like the story is a bit overbearing on the gameplay but that's just me.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

FF IX has really boss characters. Vivi, Quina and Amarant are all great.

GreySeal9

Vivi is my favorite RPG character ever.

Of course he is, he is whiney, imature, shy, with hidden power. Cliche anime garbage. Like FFX an FF8.

With his supporting cast he is great, thats because it takes strong characters to make a strong story. Argue all you want FFX has bad story peroid. Want proof?

FFX-2, no good story needs an unplanned sequel

FFVII, same **** different pile. We actualy wanted more story from it.

FFXIII-2,3, it an FFX are like unwanted children.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

FF IX has really boss characters. Vivi, Quina and Amarant are all great.

GreySeal9

Vivi is my favorite RPG character ever.

Vivi is second favourite behind Zell.

That's right, Zell fuking Dincht, ultimate BAMF.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

FF IX has really boss characters. Vivi, Quina and Amarant are all great.

Ilovegames1992

Vivi is my favorite RPG character ever.

Vivi is second favourite behind Zell.

That's right, Zell fuking Dincht, ultimate BAMF.

Zell was probably my favorite FF8 character.

Sticking with just the main series games (and not counting the numbered MMO's) this is my ranking for them:

1. Final Fantasy IX
2. Final Fantasy VI
3. Final Fantasy VII
4. Final Fantasy IV
5. Final Fantasy XII
6. Final Fantasy X
7. Final Fantasy V
8. Final Fantasy II
9. Final Fantasy III
10. Final Fantasy I
11. Final Fantasy XIII
12. Final Fantasy VIII

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

FF IX has really boss characters. Vivi, Quina and Amarant are all great.

Valknut4

Vivi is my favorite RPG character ever.

Of course he is, he is whiney, imature, shy, with hidden power. Cliche anime garbage. Like FFX an FF8.

With his supporting cast he is great, thats because it takes strong characters to make a strong story. Argue all you want FFX has bad story peroid. Want proof?

FFX-2, no good story needs an unplanned sequel

FFVII, same **** different pile. We actualy wanted more story from it.

FFXIII-2,3, it an FFX are like unwanted children.

You don't really have any credibility in determining what is a strong character or strong story. Your analysis is dire and you don't understand what the word proof means. I'm not going to argue with people who don't know the main of basic words.

Come back when you're actually willing to use your brain or put forth the bare minimum of effort in explaining your opinions. Because right now you seem to think simply insisting on your opinion is supposed to be persuasive.

Sticking with just the main series games (and not counting the numbered MMO's) this is my ranking for them:

1. Final Fantasy IX
2. Final Fantasy VI
3. Final Fantasy VII
4. Final Fantasy IV
5. Final Fantasy XII
6. Final Fantasy X
7. Final Fantasy V
8. Final Fantasy II
9. Final Fantasy III
10. Final Fantasy I
11. Final Fantasy XIII
12. Final Fantasy VIII

spike6958

We have the same #1.

Out of the ones I've payed:

1. FF9

2. FF10

3. FF6

4. FF7

5. FF8

6. FF12

7. FF13

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I'm aware that you guys think the story is terrible. I just think the arguments for the story being terrible are incredibly flimsy and shallow.

At best, examples of sloppy storytelling (which could be said about other games in the series) have been pointed out. But that doesn't tell me what's so bad about the story itself, that doesn't tell me where the game went wrong in terms of its themes and its story arcs. They are surface criticisms at best and with all due respect to AcidSoldner, some of the criticisms don't hold up to scrutiny, like the point about taking a detour for Blitzball or the point about the Al Bhed kidnappings.

GreySeal9

I think they do. I mean come on, Yuna is kidnapped like what... 4 times throughout the game? Nevermind the fact that the Al Bhed's Plan is idiotic (not to say 'r' word).

And seriously, taking a break from saving the world for a freaking water polo tournament? Priorites! do you have them?

And even the world itself is terribly inconsistent, like, if Yevon hates technology so much then are its temples littered with it? Moreover, just who actually resets and repairs all of the technology that is destroyed in said temples after a summoner passed the cloyster of trials?

This is exactly what I mean by the game making me ask all the wrong questions

I agree that the kidnapping plot devices were overdone and trite. The story wouldn't have lost a thing with Luca kidnapping. When I said "kidnapping point", I wasn't talking about the actual kidnappings because I agree that they were some of the weaker parts of the plot. I was talking about the Al Bhed's motivation for kidnapping. I don't see how it's much different from the problems that people have with utilitarism in real life. In fact, I think it was downright neccesary to the story that some people object the sacrifice of summoners. It's more realistic that you have some people object IMO.

I still for the life of me don't get what's the problem with taking a detour for Blitzball. Like I said, it's not like they totally slacked off and ditched their pilgrimage to attend a whole bunch of tournaments around Spira. They just took a brief detour for one single tournament and then they got right back on the pilgrimage. Wakka even quit the team afterward to become a full-time guardian.

Isn't one of the major points the story is making is that Yevon is hypocritical?

The problem is that it wasn't adressed, at no point did the characters wonder why is there technology in a temple (not even Tidus).

Which makes everything seem like an oversight from the developers

If FFX is good, tell me in what ways its story rivals Suikoden 2, or Earthbound. Explain to me what makes FFX any good at all as a story, we all know its gameplay is garbage, so no point in arguing that.

Answer the question, if FFX was a book would it be twilight, or would it be the new Lady in the Lake? Immpossible to argue that it wouldn't be a story for teenage girls.

[QUOTE="spike6958"]

Sticking with just the main series games (and not counting the numbered MMO's) this is my ranking for them:

1. Final Fantasy IX
2. Final Fantasy VI
3. Final Fantasy VII
4. Final Fantasy IV
5. Final Fantasy XII
6. Final Fantasy X
7. Final Fantasy V
8. Final Fantasy II
9. Final Fantasy III
10. Final Fantasy I
11. Final Fantasy XIII
12. Final Fantasy VIII

GreySeal9

We have the same #1.

Out of the ones I've payed:

1. FF9

2. FF10

3. FF6

4. FF7

5. FF8

6. FF12

7. FF13

If FFX is good, tell me in what ways its story rivals Suikoden 2, or Earthbound. Explain to me what makes FFX any good at all as a story, we all know its gameplay is garbage, so no point in arguing that.

Answer the question, if FFX was a book would it be twilight, or would it be the new Lady in the Lake? Immpossible to argue that it wouldn't be a story for teenage girls.

Valknut4

No, you think it's gameplay is garbage, but again, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed, so why on earth should your opinion hold so much weight? The game got an average of 9.3 from a person that acutally took the time articulate his opinions in an intelligent fashion (not to say that one can't disagree and still do it in an intelligent way, but you sure haven't).

I haven't played Suikoden 2. It's too fvcking expensive. I haven't played Earthbound either.

Why do you think I should have to explain something to you when you haven't explained your own opinions? All you have done is insisted on them.

I would be happy to explain why I think FFX has a good story to somebody who isn't being an idiot.

Also, you don't really seem like you're well read, so I don't really care about your book comparisons.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="spike6958"]

Sticking with just the main series games (and not counting the numbered MMO's) this is my ranking for them:

1. Final Fantasy IX
2. Final Fantasy VI
3. Final Fantasy VII
4. Final Fantasy IV
5. Final Fantasy XII
6. Final Fantasy X
7. Final Fantasy V
8. Final Fantasy II
9. Final Fantasy III
10. Final Fantasy I
11. Final Fantasy XIII
12. Final Fantasy VIII

Allicrombie

We have the same #1.

Out of the ones I've payed:

1. FF9

2. FF10

3. FF6

4. FF7

5. FF8

6. FF12

7. FF13

What don't you like about 7?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

I think they do. I mean come on, Yuna is kidnapped like what... 4 times throughout the game? Nevermind the fact that the Al Bhed's Plan is idiotic (not to say 'r' word).

And seriously, taking a break from saving the world for a freaking water polo tournament? Priorites! do you have them?

And even the world itself is terribly inconsistent, like, if Yevon hates technology so much then are its temples littered with it? Moreover, just who actually resets and repairs all of the technology that is destroyed in said temples after a summoner passed the cloyster of trials?

This is exactly what I mean by the game making me ask all the wrong questions

rilpas

I agree that the kidnapping plot devices were overdone and trite. The story wouldn't have lost a thing with Luca kidnapping. When I said "kidnapping point", I wasn't talking about the actual kidnappings because I agree that they were some of the weaker parts of the plot. I was talking about the Al Bhed's motivation for kidnapping. I don't see how it's much different from the problems that people have with utilitarism in real life. In fact, I think it was downright neccesary to the story that some people object the sacrifice of summoners. It's more realistic that you have some people object IMO.

I still for the life of me don't get what's the problem with taking a detour for Blitzball. Like I said, it's not like they totally slacked off and ditched their pilgrimage to attend a whole bunch of tournaments around Spira. They just took a brief detour for one single tournament and then they got right back on the pilgrimage. Wakka even quit the team afterward to become a full-time guardian.

Isn't one of the major points the story is making is that Yevon is hypocritical?

The problem is that it wasn't adressed, at no point did the characters wonder why is there technology in a temple (not even Tidus).

Which makes everything seem like an oversight from the developers

Is it immediately obvious that the Cloister of Trials is technology tho? I could see how, in a world like Spira, it could be mistaken from something magical.

[QUOTE="Valknut4"]

If FFX is good, tell me in what ways its story rivals Suikoden 2, or Earthbound. Explain to me what makes FFX any good at all as a story, we all know its gameplay is garbage, so no point in arguing that.

Answer the question, if FFX was a book would it be twilight, or would it be the new Lady in the Lake? Immpossible to argue that it wouldn't be a story for teenage girls.

GreySeal9

No, you think it's gameplay is garbage, but again, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed, so why on earth should your opinion hold so much weight? The game got an average of 9.3 from a person that acutally took the time articulate his opinions in an intelligent fashion (not to say that one can't disagree and still do it in an intelligent way, but you sure haven't).

I haven't played Suikoden 2. It's too fvcking expensive. I haven't played Earthbound either.

Why do you think I should have to explain something to you when you haven't explained your own opinions? All you have done is insisted on them.

I would be happy to explain why I think FFX has a good story to somebody who isn't being an idiot.

Also, you don't really seem like you're well read, so I don't really care about your book comparisons.

Avoid that question, see even if I went right to this from the start you couldn't answer. **** game is ****. My taste> Yours. Enjoy living a life where you argue one point out of an entire post thinking you're intelligent.

See you wouldn't know if I was well read, cause its pretty easy to tell.. You don't read books. Suikoden 2, Earthbound, Xenogears, FFT, Star ocean the 2nd story, Tales of destiny 1&2, hell I would put Kodelka or Destiny of an Emporer ahead of FFX in a heart beat.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I agree that the kidnapping plot devices were overdone and trite. The story wouldn't have lost a thing with Luca kidnapping. When I said "kidnapping point", I wasn't talking about the actual kidnappings because I agree that they were some of the weaker parts of the plot. I was talking about the Al Bhed's motivation for kidnapping. I don't see how it's much different from the problems that people have with utilitarism in real life. In fact, I think it was downright neccesary to the story that some people object the sacrifice of summoners. It's more realistic that you have some people object IMO.

I still for the life of me don't get what's the problem with taking a detour for Blitzball. Like I said, it's not like they totally slacked off and ditched their pilgrimage to attend a whole bunch of tournaments around Spira. They just took a brief detour for one single tournament and then they got right back on the pilgrimage. Wakka even quit the team afterward to become a full-time guardian.

Isn't one of the major points the story is making is that Yevon is hypocritical?

GreySeal9

The problem is that it wasn't adressed, at no point did the characters wonder why is there technology in a temple (not even Tidus).

Which makes everything seem like an oversight from the developers

Is it immediately obvious that the Cloister of Trials is technology tho? I could see how, in a world like Spira, it could be mistaken from something magical.

actually yes, it is immediately apparent that it is technology

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Valknut4"]

If FFX is good, tell me in what ways its story rivals Suikoden 2, or Earthbound. Explain to me what makes FFX any good at all as a story, we all know its gameplay is garbage, so no point in arguing that.

Answer the question, if FFX was a book would it be twilight, or would it be the new Lady in the Lake? Immpossible to argue that it wouldn't be a story for teenage girls.

Valknut4

No, you think it's gameplay is garbage, but again, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed, so why on earth should your opinion hold so much weight? The game got an average of 9.3 from a person that acutally took the time articulate his opinions in an intelligent fashion (not to say that one can't disagree and still do it in an intelligent way, but you sure haven't).

I haven't played Suikoden 2. It's too fvcking expensive. I haven't played Earthbound either.

Why do you think I should have to explain something to you when you haven't explained your own opinions? All you have done is insisted on them.

I would be happy to explain why I think FFX has a good story to somebody who isn't being an idiot.

Also, you don't really seem like you're well read, so I don't really care about your book comparisons.

Avoid that question, see even if I want right to this from the start you couldn't answer. **** game is ****. My taste> Yours If I listed the games I play, an you listed yours 90% of people with taste would agree. Enjoy living a life where you argue one point out of an entire post thinking your intelligent.

See you wouldn't know if I was well read, cause its pretty easy to tell.. You don't read books. Suikoden 2, Earthbound, Xenogears, FFT, Star ocean the 2nd story, Tales of destiny 1&2, hell I would put Kodelka or Destiny of an Emporer ahead of FFX in a heart beat.

lol. Pretty hard to be a literature major without reading books. On the other hand, judging by the way you express yourself, I have my doubts you've even graduated high school.

Anyway, like I said before, just because you insist on your taste does not make it good.

And lol at thinking Star Ocean: The Second Story has a better story than FFX. WTF? :lol: And then you have the nerve to talk about cliche anime garbage. lol.

Honestly, I'm starting to think you're a troll. How one can call FFX anime garbage and then mention Star Ocean 2 as a better alternative is beyond me. It's absurd.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

The problem is that it wasn't adressed, at no point did the characters wonder why is there technology in a temple (not even Tidus).

Which makes everything seem like an oversight from the developers

rilpas

Is it immediately obvious that the Cloister of Trials is technology tho? I could see how, in a world like Spira, it could be mistaken from something magical.

actually yes, it is immediately apparent that it is technology

Because there is electricity present? There are plenty of examples of electricity that is not associated with machina.