Best story in a Final Fantasy game?

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[QUOTE="Valknut4"]

Tell me, all ears. Ps I reported you for all the personal attacks, Warned you one to many times.

Valknut4

Personal attacks are not actually against the TOU, so you're out of luck (and reporting me pretty much proves that you're pretty hot under the collar).

But I will give you a few examples of what I think are rich themes in FFX:

For instance, I think Sin is an interesting antangonist because he is not the usual villain intent on taking over the world. He is instead an emodiment of choas and uncertainty. The people of Spira can't pinpoint why Sin is in their lives and why he causes so much destruction and won't go away, so they blame themselves. This, in my estimation, is richer than a villain whose motives are spelled out in more black and white terms. Like I said, I appreciate how the people of Spira feel that they are responsible for Sin because of the way that they live their lives. To me, that is more mult-faceted than standard "good versus evil" paradigms.

I also think the story handles religion well. I think the story intelligenly shows show authority masquerades as the hope for people while actually feeding into cycles that prolong Spira's suffering.

I like how they handled Tidus's daddy issues. Where they could have went with a simple "Jecth was so mean" motivation for Tidus' hatred, they actually implied that Tidus was mad at him because of not getting attention from his mother. That was an interesting pyschological twist to a plotline that could have been simplistic and trite and one-sided.

I also think it flirts with gnostcism and utilitarianism atleast as well as the Xeno games flirt with various philosophies.

Stuff like that is why I like FFX's story. I think it has alot to unpack.

Why am I seeing censor bypassing, trolling, and flaming on the site?
Read the announcement. Each forum has its own set of rules. The Legacy forum expects respect. If another user is being disrespectful, you can return the behavior.

Oh so I should just be a dou.che bag like you. Nah I figure being an adult is the true way to defeating dou.che bags. Fair enoguh to each their own. Report has been sent either way.

So why is Tidus the main character an not Yuna?

You're not being an adult tho. Throwing around one's opinion with no explanation is not adult. Again, I did not insult AcidSoldner and Riplas because they actually had an argument even tho they think FFX's story is terrible. They are not just repeating "I have awesome taste, herp derp!"over and over. Nobody cares about how good you think your taste is.

The Legacy Forum might expect respect, but I guarantee you that I'm not going to get in trouble for my posts in this thread. And if I do, it was worth it to pop your arrogant "my taste is so much better than yours" bubble.

Yuna and Tidus could be seen as co-main characters, but the reason you play as Tidus is because Tidus provides an outside-looking-in view of Spira's rituals. In fact, the only reason that Yuna defied the custom of summoners sacrificing themselves is because of Tidus' involvement in the story. Had Tidus never existed in Spira, Yuna would have likely had the same fate as any other summoner because there would be no outside force to provide insight into ceremonies insular to Spira. He could be a total ditz, but he brought a fresh perspective.He and Rikku, as outsiders (Tidus being from another world and Rikku being part of a detested race), were the only ones who did not accept Yuna's death hook, line and sinker.

You're not being an adult tho. Throwing around one's opinion with no explanation is not adult. Again, I did not insult AcidSoldner and Riplas because they actually had an argument even tho they think FFX is terrible. They are not just repeating "I have awesome taste, herp derp!"over and over. Nobody cares about how good you think your taste is.

Yuna and Tidus could be seen as co-main characters, but the reason you play as Tidus is because Tidus provides an outside-looking-in view of Spira's rituals. In fact, the only reason that Yuna defied the custom of summoners sacrificing themselves is because of Tidus' involvement in the story. Had Tidus never existed in Spira, Yuna would have likely had the same fate as any other summoner because there is no outside force to provide insight into ceremonies insular to Spira. He could be a total ditz, but he brought a fresh perspective.

GreySeal9

There is no way to explain opinion, it is undefinable. People have views, trying to explain views is a waste of time, thus I skip the attempt at trying. Being an adult is sorting out the fluff, and having a higher understanding of right from wrong then a child.

Why are the characters sterotypes(LuLu,Rikku,Yuna), or boardline terrible(Wakka,Tidus) and why does that not drag the story through the mud some how? Most games have a stong cast of characters and a strong story to go with them, Sin alone does not make up for so many other flaws. I my self think Sin is no different then every other villian, he maybe unique in his method, but so was Chaos from FF1.

He still is doing what he wants, and the heros are trying to stop him to do what they want. Sin offers very little in return, where say Kefka does not understand why people want to live, thus the heros of FFVI show him why they want to live, because even after the world is destroied they find things to care about, and reasons to rebuild. Well this is a huge simplafication of the heros, if you have played the game you will know what I mean.

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You're not being an adult tho. Throwing around one's opinion with no explanation is not adult. Again, I did not insult AcidSoldner and Riplas because they actually had an argument even tho they think FFX is terrible. They are not just repeating "I have awesome taste, herp derp!"over and over. Nobody cares about how good you think your taste is.

Yuna and Tidus could be seen as co-main characters, but the reason you play as Tidus is because Tidus provides an outside-looking-in view of Spira's rituals. In fact, the only reason that Yuna defied the custom of summoners sacrificing themselves is because of Tidus' involvement in the story. Had Tidus never existed in Spira, Yuna would have likely had the same fate as any other summoner because there is no outside force to provide insight into ceremonies insular to Spira. He could be a total ditz, but he brought a fresh perspective.

Valknut4

There is no way to explain opinion, it is undefinable. People have views, trying to explain views is a waste of time, thus I skip the attempt at trying. Being an adult is sorting out the fluff, and having a higher understanding of right from wrong then a child.

Why are the characters sterotypes(LuLu,Rikku,Yuna), or boardline terrible(Wakka,Tidus) and why does that not drag the story through the mud some how? Most games have a stong cast of characters and a strong story to go with them, Sin alone does not make up for so many other flaws. I my self think Sin is no different then every other villian, he maybe unique in his method, but so was Chaos from FF1.

He still is doing what he wants, and the heros are trying to stop him to do what they want. Sin offers very little in return, where say Kefka does not understand why people want to live, thus the heros of FFVI show him why they want to live, because even after the world is destroied they find things to care about, and reasons to rebuild. Well this is a huge simplafication of the heros, if you have played the game you will know what I mean.

Of course you can explain an opinion:

Example: Wakka was an effective character because he fulfilled his purpose well as a big brother big to Tidus, he was a flawed character in that he harbored bigotry (and flawed characters are stronger than overly perfect ones, which is why he ultimately is a better character than Yuna who could have used more flaws), he was effective in showing the impact Yevon has on ordinary citizens, his feelings about machina were tied to his brother Chapu's rejection of his homemade sword, which added a layer of personal complexity other than hating machina because it was forbidden.

You may disagree with that, but it cannot be denined that I have explained my opinion. The only reason you skipped explaining yours is because you think that your opinion should have weight just because you think you have awesome taste.

As for the characters being stereotypes, they were not any more stereotypical than other RPGs. Just like other FF characters, they are archetypes. I for one felt that they fairly well done archetypes (my explanation of Wakka is an example of why I think this). You obviously disagree and that is fine. But telling me your taste is better is not likely to change my mind.

You say that Sin does what he wants, but it is not immediately obvious that Sin even has motivations.

I don't see how the heroes finding things to care about in FF6 is any different than the heroes wanting peace for Spira in FF10.

I don't see how the heroes finding things to care about in FF6 is any different than the heroes wanting peace for Spira in FF10.

GreySeal9

Explaining a character is not explaining your opinion, I could say all those things with a negative tone, and it would be no different. We like different things, you seem to be saying this over an over, but also never really applying it to your posts.

He lacks ti..its so Rikku an LuLu get there pass. They wouldn't have got there pass if they were ugly woman lacking clevage, this is why I know there bad characters they had to have sex appeal to be like able.

Tidus didn't need to be dressed up like a member of N-Sync but they did it anyway, not sure why either. Aurion is a solid design, but is forced so hard to be the " badass " of the game he has no other characters to play off.

Compare Barret and Cid (and to some people Vincent and Cloud) there was enough manliness factor spread amoung them it didn't seem so out of place.

FFT is void of manliness factor, not one character is trying to fill the shoes of that role. Not one character is ment to have sex appeal, even though some do in round about ways like Agrias as she is a strong willed woman. This game has so few sterotypes, its really scary. I mean the roster of characters is huge! An well I do think it an Tactics Ogre are similiar, I think FFT tried to tell a story where TO had you make one through choices.

When a game falls back on sex,the choosen one, shoving a role in your face ( badass, upbeat cheerleader, etc, etc...) those are weaknesses. You want your character roster to feel natural, to have them flow. This is why I always hated Shadow in FF6, because unless you hunt for his story you never understand why he is the way he is. For some reason you just suddenly walk into a bar an there is a ninja standing there, extremely out of place.

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I don't see how the heroes finding things to care about in FF6 is any different than the heroes wanting peace for Spira in FF10.

Valknut4

Explaining a character is not explaining your opinion, I could say all those things with a negative tone, and it would be no different. We like different things, you seem to be saying this over an over, but also never really applying it to your posts.

He lacks ti..its so Rikku an LuLu get there pass. They wouldn't have got there pass if they were ugly woman lacking clevage, this is why I know there bad characters they had to have sex appeal to be like able.

Tidus didn't need to be dressed up like a member of N-Sync but they did it anyway, not sure why either. Aurion is a solid design, but is forced so hard to be the " badass " of the game he has no other characters to play off.

Compare Barret and Cid (and to some people Vincent and Cloud) there was enough manliness factor spread amoung them it didn't seem so out of place.

FFT is void of manliness factor, not one character is trying to fill the shoes of that role. Not one character is ment to have sex appeal, even though some do in round about ways like Agrias as she is a strong willed woman. This game has so few sterotypes, its really scary. I mean the roster of characters is huge! An well I do think it an Tactics Ogre are similiar, I think FFT tried to tell a story where TO had you make one through choices.

When a game falls back on sex,the choosen one, shoving a role in your face ( badass, upbeat cheerleader, etc, etc...) those are weaknesses. You want your character roster to feel natural, to have them flow. This is why I always hated Shadow in FF6, because unless you hunt for his story you never understand why he is the way he is. For some reason you just suddenly walk into a bar an there is a ninja standing there, extremely out of place.

I did explain my opinion. My opinion is that Wakka was an effective character. I explained why he's an effective character. I explained why he has depth (that's why I alluded to his rather deep motivation for disliking machina).

I don't see why its somehow a weakness when a game has characters with sex appeal, even if it was intentional. If it's over-the-top, then yes, but the sex appeal in FFX is so minor. Lulu shows some cleavage and Rikku wears high cut shorts. Big deal.

I don't really think a story needs "manliness factor" whatosever to be perfectly honest. FFX has a more feminine aesthetic than earlier games. Everything from the visual design to the music has a more feminine feel than previous FF games. So what? Femine aesthetics are just as legitimate as masculine aesthetics. Not every story needs manliness (in the same way, not every story needs femininity) and Auron was hardly overcompensating. Actually, Auron was not super manly anyway. He was more quiet and thoughtful than anything.

Tidus is probably dressed the way he is because that's probably the fashion for young people in Zanarkand. I think you just hate the look of the clothes and don't consider why the character might dress that way. Could his clothes have been better designed? Probably, but there's nothing wrong with Tidus wearing immature-looking attire. After all, immaturity is a part of Tidus' character.

Characters should never be judged by one's tastes. They should be judged by how well they accomplish what their creators set out to do. Tidus worked perfectly well as an ultimately good-natured young man who is also rather immature. If Tidus was both good-natured and mature and good looking and athletic on top of that, he'd be too perfect.

I also don't think character rosters need to flow or be balanced. I think they need to make sense in terms of the story. An RPG could have a cast of midget prostitutes for all I care if it made sense in terms of the story's themes, arcs and overall vision.

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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

One thing I love about FFIX is that it has the most humor in the series while still taking itself pretty seriously.

GreySeal9

Agreed, it has a great mix of the two.

You seem to have a solid opinion on the series judging from your posts. What other RPGs are your favorites?

Well, Chrono Cross is my favorite RPG of all time and Chrono Trigger is not far behind. I also am a huge fan of Skies of Arcadia. Persona 3 is also fast becoming one of my favorites.

I haven't played Chrono Chross yet but yeah, Chrono Trigger is one of my all-time favorites too, as well as Xenoblade, Paper Mario 64, Pokemon Gold/Red/Ruby, Demon's Souls, Final Fantasy 6, Illusion of Gaia, Super Mario RPG, Dragon Quest V, and several others.

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Agreed, it has a great mix of the two.

You seem to have a solid opinion on the series judging from your posts. What other RPGs are your favorites?

bowserjr123

Well, Chrono Cross is my favorite RPG of all time and Chrono Trigger is not far behind. I also am a huge fan of Skies of Arcadia. Persona 3 is also fast becoming one of my favorites.

I haven't played Chrono Chross yet but yeah, Chrono Trigger is one of my all-time favorites too, as well as Xenoblade, Paper Mario 64, Pokemon Gold/Red/Ruby, Demon's Souls, Final Fantasy 6, Illusion of Gaia, Super Mario RPG, Dragon Quest V, and several others.

I love all those games, well, except for Dragon Quest V since I haven't played it. I was pretty surprised by just how good Xenoblade was. I thought it would be a good JRPG, but I didn't expect it to be one of the best I've ever played.

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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Well, Chrono Cross is my favorite RPG of all time and Chrono Trigger is not far behind. I also am a huge fan of Skies of Arcadia. Persona 3 is also fast becoming one of my favorites.

GreySeal9

I haven't played Chrono Chross yet but yeah, Chrono Trigger is one of my all-time favorites too, as well as Xenoblade, Paper Mario 64, Pokemon Gold/Red/Ruby, Demon's Souls, Final Fantasy 6, Illusion of Gaia, Super Mario RPG, Dragon Quest V, and several others.

I love all those games, well, except for Dragon Quest V since I haven't played it. I was pretty surprised by just how good Xenoblade was. I thought it would be a good JRPG, but I didn't expect it to be one of the best I've ever played.

Yeah, Xenoblade is probably my favorite of them all. I didn't have a lot of expectations for Xenoblade but it blew me away. The combat was a good change of pace for JRPGs, the characters were all likable (except for Riki lol), the story was well-paced, it was addicting as hell, and incredibly fun to play.

I don't give 10/10s to any games, but this one is very close to it.

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Well, I'm not sure Seymour is actually supposed to be all that menacing.

I don't really see FFX as all that light hearted. It seems pretty serious to me. There's not really too much humor and the themes it deals with are not at all light hearted.

GreySeal9

it's themes are serious, but the way it handles them... heh.

hence why I see it as a light hearted game

Well, what do you think of the way that FFVI handles its serious themes and events?

I think it's the best game in the series, sure it has a lot of silly moments and two needless characters *coughs*Gao and Relm*coughs*

gut for the most part it handles itself really well

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[QUOTE="rilpas"]

it's themes are serious, but the way it handles them... heh.

hence why I see it as a light hearted game

rilpas

Well, what do you think of the way that FFVI handles its serious themes and events?

I think it's the best game in the series, sure it has a lot of silly moments and two needless characters *coughs*Gao and Relm*coughs*

gut for the most part it handles itself really well

I think it handles itself well too, but IDK, sometimes it seems like scenes involving Kefka are too flippant.

Definitely in my Top 3 best FF games tho.

And I actually like Gau and Relm. Relm and Stago's relationship was really cute.

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[QUOTE="bowserjr123"]

I haven't played Chrono Chross yet but yeah, Chrono Trigger is one of my all-time favorites too, as well as Xenoblade, Paper Mario 64, Pokemon Gold/Red/Ruby, Demon's Souls, Final Fantasy 6, Illusion of Gaia, Super Mario RPG, Dragon Quest V, and several others.

bowserjr123

I love all those games, well, except for Dragon Quest V since I haven't played it. I was pretty surprised by just how good Xenoblade was. I thought it would be a good JRPG, but I didn't expect it to be one of the best I've ever played.

Yeah, Xenoblade is probably my favorite of them all. I didn't have a lot of expectations for Xenoblade but it blew me away. The combat was a good change of pace for JRPGs, the characters were all likable (except for Riki lol), the story was well-paced, it was addicting as hell, and incredibly fun to play.

I don't give 10/10s to any games, but this one is very close to it.

This was one of the strongest aspects of the game. The world was so big, yet the storytelling was suprisingly focused. That is kind of rare.

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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I love all those games, well, except for Dragon Quest V since I haven't played it. I was pretty surprised by just how good Xenoblade was. I thought it would be a good JRPG, but I didn't expect it to be one of the best I've ever played.

GreySeal9

Yeah, Xenoblade is probably my favorite of them all. I didn't have a lot of expectations for Xenoblade but it blew me away. The combat was a good change of pace for JRPGs, the characters were all likable (except for Riki lol), the story was well-paced, it was addicting as hell, and incredibly fun to play.

I don't give 10/10s to any games, but this one is very close to it.

This was one of the strongest aspects of the game. The world was so big, yet the storytelling was suprisingly focused. That is kind of rare.

Very true, the story is one of the best, if not the best I've seen in a JRPG. And yeah, there were so many quests to do in such a big world. My only problem with that was that a lot of them were fetch quests and some items would be hard to get because they randomly appeared.

I also don't think character rosters need to flow or be balanced. I think they need to make sense in terms of the story. An RPG could have a cast of midget prostitutes for all I care if it made sense in terms of the story's themes, arcs and overall vision.

GreySeal9

All the FF's could be filled with midget prostitues you are correct. Except FFX, FF7 and FF8, becuase they so blantently rely on sex appeal. Tidus is dressed like that for the same reason as Vahn being dressed like he is. There are trying to appeal to a younger generation of girls, Like I said you couldn't have Lulu an Rikku be ugly characters no one would like them, you can try an argue that as you own opinion on how she isnt a sex symbol but its prety clear to everyone else she is.

Now is appealing to teenagers a bad thing? Well you think about what appeals to teenagers and young adults an you can answer that.

When you appeal to the lower sense's like sex, flashy stuff, and choosen one plot elements you are reading Transformers the movie.

When you appeal to to a person on a higher level. Galuf dying, Celes tossing herself from a cliff if cid dies, Delita fighting aganst the class system, etc etc, you get Seven the movie.

I want to play seven, not transformers.

I think it's the best game in the series, sure it has a lot of silly moments and two needless characters *coughs*Gao andRelm*coughs*

gut for the most part it handles itself really well

rilpas

Without Relm Shadow then becomes a bland character, Relm ties Strago an Shadow to the world. Gau on the other hand is pretty out of the blue, when you think about his part in the story its getting the breathing device an thats it. I still think his back ground story is solid, an lends to him being a character that sits on the side lines. I would guess feral children wouldn't care to much about the world around them, an be more of a pet then a person.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I also don't think character rosters need to flow or be balanced. I think they need to make sense in terms of the story. An RPG could have a cast of midget prostitutes for all I care if it made sense in terms of the story's themes, arcs and overall vision.

Valknut4

No, they don't and you have no proof that they do. They could toss the sexy character models and the stories would be unchanged. Can you actually tell me how the themes and arcs of the story rely on sex appeal? And just keep in mind that I want proof using story details, not opinions or comparisons to irrelevant movies.

Tidus is dressed like that for the same reason as Vahn being dressed like he is. There are trying to appeal to a younger generation of girls, Like I said you couldn't have Lulu an Rikku be ugly characters no one would like themValkut

These are all assumptions. Also, when has FF had ugly female characters? That's right. Never.

you can try an argue that as you own opinion on how she isnt a sex symbol but its prety clear to everyone else she is.Valknut

You cannot speak for everyone else. You can only speak for yourself.

She might very well be a sex symbol, but there's nothing wrong with that.

It's very weird how uptight you are about the game's minor sexual elements. Very weird.

Now is appealing to teenagers a bad thing? Well you think about what appeals to teenagers and young adults an you can answer that.

When you appeal to the lower sense's like sex, flashy stuff, and choosen one plot elements you are reading Transformers the movie.Valnut

What are you even talking about? What the hell is "flashy stuff" supposed to mean. That is one of the most most vague and ridiculous terms I've ever heard.

And are you trying to tell me that stories that appeal to adults don't make sexual appeals? Cause if you are, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Also, could you please stop with the dumb movie comparisons. They are not helping your argument even slightly. There is absolutely nothing to be gained from using them. They are a lazy way of analyzing something and I haven't even seen Transformers, so its doubly irrelevant to me.

Honestly, I would be alot less dismissive of your points if you'd drop the pretentiousness and just argue your points based on the actual details of the story, but so far you haven't talked about the story at all. Rather, you've talked about irrelevant movies and have been trying hard to convince me that your sensibilities are adult. What is so difficult about simply making an argument based on the actual details of FFX's story without harping on irrelevancies?

When you appeal to to a person on a higher level. Galuf dying, Celes tossing herself from a cliff if cid dies, Delita fighting aganst the class system, etc etc, you get Seven the movie.

I want to play seven, not transformers.Valknut

Transformers and Seven are irrelevant. If you keep using these daft movie comparisons, I will simply cut them out of your posts when I respond.

I fail to see how Gaulf dying, Celes's would be suicide, etc. are an more adult than FFX delving into Gnosticism and Utilitarianism, the concept of Spirans blaming themselves while the true driver of Sin's rebirth (Yevon) continues to be idolized, Tidus' real reason for hating Jecht (the loss of attention of his mother, which happens to be far more sophisticated than Claude from Star Ocean: Second Story's daddy issues), Wakka's real reason for hating machina (his brother rejected the weapon Waka gave him and instead used machina to fight Sin; this is an excellent and subtle example of character development, the developers succeeded in giving Wakka a very personalized reason for disliking machina and did not simply rely on machina being forbidden), the idea of machinery being sinful, the game's continual commentary on the power and scope of organized religion, etc.

Your argument is extraordinarly weak because it relies on ignoring anything adult/sophisticated about FFX while clinging onto shallow complaints like Tidus' clothes and Lulu's cleavage. That is intellectually dishonest. It would be like if I singled out Kefka's goofiness in FFVI and ignored all the serious themes that the story offers.

It is clear to me that you are so biased against FFX that you are incapable to talking about it in a way that is fair. I'm not saying that you haven't played FFX, but from the shallowness of your arguments, it's perfectly possible that you've only looked at some character art. :lol:

Without Relm Shadow then becomes a bland character, Relm ties Strago an Shadow to the world. Gau on the other hand is pretty out of the blue, when you think about his part in the story its getting the breathing device an thats it. I still think his back ground story is solid, an lends to him being a character that sits on the side lines. I would guess feral children wouldn't care to much about the world around them, an be more of a pet then a person.

Valknut4

lol, are you serious?

Well Greyseal at least you aren't defending something like Sonic 06. :P

Well Greyseal at least you aren't defending something like Sonic 06. :P

Seabas989

I totally know what thread/user you're alluding to. :lol:

But yeah, when I said I was pumped to defend FFX earlier in this thread, I definitely wasn't kidding, lol.

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[QUOTE="bowserjr123"]

Yeah, Xenoblade is probably my favorite of them all. I didn't have a lot of expectations for Xenoblade but it blew me away. The combat was a good change of pace for JRPGs, the characters were all likable (except for Riki lol), the story was well-paced, it was addicting as hell, and incredibly fun to play.

I don't give 10/10s to any games, but this one is very close to it.

bowserjr123

This was one of the strongest aspects of the game. The world was so big, yet the storytelling was suprisingly focused. That is kind of rare.

Very true, the story is one of the best, if not the best I've seen in a JRPG. And yeah, there were so many quests to do in such a big world. My only problem with that was that a lot of them were fetch quests and some items would be hard to get because they randomly appeared.

Yeah, there were alot of throwaway quests, but I likde how there was always a quest to do no matter where you were and there were definitely some interesting ones sprinkled in amongst the fetch/kill quests.

[QUOTE="bowserjr123"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

This was one of the strongest aspects of the game. The world was so big, yet the storytelling was suprisingly focused. That is kind of rare.

GreySeal9

Very true, the story is one of the best, if not the best I've seen in a JRPG. And yeah, there were so many quests to do in such a big world. My only problem with that was that a lot of them were fetch quests and some items would be hard to get because they randomly appeared.

Yeah, there were alot of throwaway quests, but I likde how there was always a quest to do no matter where you were and there were definitely some interesting ones sprinkled in amongst the fetch/kill quests.

Yeah, the special monster quests were my favorite ones. I just didn't like the ones where you have to find specific items in different areas that appear randomly (stupid fossil monkeys lol)

These are all assumptions. Also, when has FF had ugly female characters? That's right. Never.

GreySeal9

Faris FF5, WHM FF1, Agrias, Tita, Ovilia FFT,Terra, Relm are all void of sex appeal. Celes is where a battle swimsuit so I guess you could argue she is ment to be "sexy" in all here 32 bit glory. do I really need to go on? There are a lot of examples. Like I said its not my view on the game, they're blatently using sex to sell the game, an the type of sex is directed at a younger audience.

If it was directed at an older generation, I'm sure we'd all know it.

What are you even talking about? What the hell is "flashy stuff" supposed to mean. That is one of the most most vague and ridiculous terms I've ever heard.

GreySeal9

LoL just LoL, you really cannot understand what I mean when I say Flashy stuff, when talking about FFX the biggest jerkfest of CG in a game since FF7. I see talking to you has been a waste of time. You're clearly blind.

[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

Well Greyseal at least you aren't defending something like Sonic 06. :P

GreySeal9

I totally know what thread/user you're alluding to. :lol:

But yeah, when I said I was pumped to defend FFX earlier in this thread, I definitely wasn't kidding, lol.

As much as I dislike the story, hate the chracters (minus Auron), did not like the way the world was set up and disliked the chracter designs along with my hatred and disappointment with blitzball, FFX's strength is its battle system.

I wouldn't call X a bad game just because of that whereas Sonic 06 was awful.

VIII on the other hand...

Faris FF5, WHM FF1, Agrias, Tita, Ovilia FFT,Terra, Relm are all void of sex appeal. Celes is where a battle swimsuit so I guess you could argue she is ment to be "sexy" in all here 32 bit glory. do I really need to go on? There are a lot of examples. Like I said its not my view on the game, they're blatently using sex to sell the game, an the type of sex is directed at a younger audience.

If it was directed at an older generation, I'm sure we'd all know itValknut4

Saying "we'd all know it" is not a substitute for an argument. Again, don't try to speak for everyone since you have difficulties even speaking for yourself.

You have not provided evidence. You have provided assumptions. And you also have not even begun to attempt to explain why extremely minor sexual elements in any way impacts the story. Why do you refuse to talk about the story?

LoL just LoL, you really cannot understand what I mean when I say Flashy stuff, when talking about FFX the biggest jerkfest of CG in a game since FF7. I see talking to you has been a waste of time. You're clearly blind.

Valknut

I'm not blind. You just don't know how to communicate clearly, which has been a pattern throughout this whole thread. If you want to make a point about the CG, make a point about the CG. "Flashy stuff" doesn't mean anything by itself. Flashy stuff could be anything. If you are going to pass yourself off as some high brow critic, you need to learn how to speak in specific terms. "Flashy stuff" is vague. Flashy stuff could mean anything from the character designs to the CG to the spell animations to the summon animations to the architecture.

Again, don't attempt to blame your lack of communication skills on me. Perhaps if you took a moment to think about your posts before you hit submit, I wouldn't have to continually ask for clarification. Then again, you are not used to arguing beyond "my taste is awesome herp derp!"

I find it funny that you just found two sentences to pick out of what I wrote. You didn't even attempt to refute anything else I said (and it's because you are not able to, so don't make any excuses). I listed several elements in FFX that are "adult" and "sophisticated", yet you didn't even attempt to address them. You clearly have no argument, which is why you so desperately attempt to pump up your "taste" even tho nobody clearly gives a sh!t.

I am starting to become convinced that you have never played FFX because for some reason you refuse to go into detail, but instead elect to say the vaguest things possible while focusing more on irrelevant movies than the actual game. Like I said, you probably heard that FFX has alot of CGI in a review and looked at some character artwork. You have said nothing to indicate that you have substantial experience with this game. I'm fine with somebody not liking the story if they can explain what's wrong with it. Riplas and AcidSoldner did that. On the other hand, you are either unwilling to, unable to, or you simply haven't played the game.

So, yes, you wasted your time indeed trying to argue something that is obviously beyond you.

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[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

Well Greyseal at least you aren't defending something like Sonic 06. :P

Seabas989

I totally know what thread/user you're alluding to. :lol:

But yeah, when I said I was pumped to defend FFX earlier in this thread, I definitely wasn't kidding, lol.

As much as I dislike the story, hate the chracters (minus Auron), did not like the way the world was set up and disliked the chracter designs along with my hatred and disappointment with blitzball, FFX's strength is its battle system.

I wouldn't call X a bad game just because of that whereas Sonic 06 was awful.

VIII on the other hand...

I would say that's probably the game's biggest weakness. It does feel pretty restrictive.

But yeah, even if one feels like it's very flawed, FFX is at the very least well made whereas Sonic 06 is a mess in every way.

[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I totally know what thread/user you're alluding to. :lol:

But yeah, when I said I was pumped to defend FFX earlier in this thread, I definitely wasn't kidding, lol.

GreySeal9

As much as I dislike the story, hate the chracters (minus Auron), did not like the way the world was set up and disliked the chracter designs along with my hatred and disappointment with blitzball, FFX's strength is its battle system.

I wouldn't call X a bad game just because of that whereas Sonic 06 was awful.

VIII on the other hand...

I would say that's probably the game's biggest weakness. It does feel pretty restrictive.

But yeah, even if one feels like it's very flawed, FFX is at the very least well made whereas Sonic 06 is a mess in every way.

It's one of the big flaws. But then I played 5 hours of FFXIII...

[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

Well Greyseal at least you aren't defending something like Sonic 06. :P

GreySeal9

I totally know what thread/user you're alluding to. :lol:

But yeah, when I said I was pumped to defend FFX earlier in this thread, I definitely wasn't kidding, lol.

Yeah,we can see that,

From the ones I actually completed (I to X), my top ten favourite FF stories would be:

1. FF VII
2. Crisis Core: FF VII
3. FF VI
4. FF X
5. FF VIII
6. FF IV
7. FF IX
8. FF V
9. Dirge of Cerberus: FF VII
10. FF III

The major FF games I still haven't completed are FF Tactics, X-2, XII, and XIII.

Hmm although VIII is my fave in the series I have to go with Final Fantasy IX.

IX because that's the most memorable one for me

I'm going to go with FFVI because of the depth in each character's development.