FINAL FANTASY VII (good, but mostly bad)

[QUOTE="Juryau"]In The end there will be haters and fanatics for VII... It's something we can't avoid..Koi-Neon-X

And I think that goes for any game really. I'm just beside myself that people are so bent out of shape becauseother peopledarefeel a certain way about something. But, I do agree with you and that's how it's going to be. I understand it quite well and I don't get upset when they say they don't like Final Fantasy VII! I just expressing my viewpoints and I guess that's a no-no for some.

Killzone 2 is pretty popular. I've played it and I don't like it. I've met the "fanatics" of the Killzone series and y'know what? I have a lot of admiration and respect for them that they give kudos to something they like. Why not? they deal with the haters just as much as anyone else.I guess if you like something it doesn't matter what "they" think, but what"you" think of it. If you love it then great if they hate it then great.I don't want to trample on someone else's opinion either and there might be some few things I feelcompelled to respond to.

I guess I'm supposed to just conform to other opinions and change my mind about Final Fantasy VII because it doesn't suit someone else's tastes or they don't see it or hear it like I do? yeah, okay.

Actually you did get upset, earlier in this thread, and I can easily point that out if you like.

I agree with you on this. Koi does not know what he is talking about, nor does he understand most posts....I doubt he was even alive when FFVII was released juding from the way he posts.

Ibelieve being cordia is important. I also mentioned that everyone (not that I have to tell anyone) is entitled to how they feel about something.As to whether he was alive when FFVII was releasedI have no idea lol. Maybe and maybe not. Judging from hisprevious posts he seems to know quite a lot about video gamesso I need to be very careful *smiley face*

I take everything as it comes and not stress or worry about it.;)

Koi-Neon-X

I agree with you on this. Koi does not know what he is talking about, nor does he understand most posts....I doubt he was even alive when FFVII was released juding from the way he posts.

Ibelieve being cordia is important. I also mentioned that everyone (not that I have to tell anyone) is entitled to how they feel about something.As to whether he was alive when FFVII was releasedI have no idea lol. Maybe and maybe not. Judging from hisprevious posts he seems to know quite a lot about video gamesso I need to be very careful *smiley face*

I take everything as it comes and not stress or worry about it.;)

Again, really? I was referring to you, not him.

Koi-Neon-X

I agree with you on this. Koi does not know what he is talking about, nor does he understand most posts....I doubt he was even alive when FFVII was released juding from the way he posts.

Ibelieve being cordia is important. I also mentioned that everyone (not that I have to tell anyone) is entitled to how they feel about something.As to whether he was alive when FFVII was releasedI have no idea lol. Maybe and maybe not. Judging from hisprevious posts he seems to know quite a lot about video gamesso I need to be very careful *smiley face*

I take everything as it comes and not stress or worry about it.;)

Actually you did get upset, earlier in this thread, and I can easily point that out if you like.

I think if I got upset I'm probably would have received a MOD notice by now lol. Passionate maybe, perplexed occasionally, miffed possibly, but I try not to get upset especially in regards to this.

[QUOTE="pills4louis"]

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

whether it's today or a trillion years from now:)

Koi-Neon-X

In all honesty, I don't think FF7 was a terrible game, but it wasn't a particularly great one. It was average. Run-of-the-mill. Battle models aside, the graphics were quite poor (the stark contrast between choppy lego-block models and semi-decent pre-rendered backgrounds was incredibly awkward no matter how you look at it), the sound engineering seemed trapped somewhere between 16-bit and 32-bit (it didn't do Uematsu's compositions any justice at all, especially One-Winged Angel) and as for the story... Was it bad? Was it decent? Well, with a translation like FF7's, it's anyone's guess. (A proper remake with a decent translation this time around might do it some justice) Were the characters really as bland and poorly-thought-out as they appeared in the American version? Again, anyone's guess. (Perhaps the translation is to blame for this as well, though it feels like I'm giving the game too much credit at this point...) Without the words "Final" and "Fantasy" in its title-- like so many horrid spin-offs such as FFX-2 and Dirge of Cerberus-- the game would have been completely forgettable.

It's a shame that the game robbed other, more deserving games from that era of their rightful recognition, such as Suikoden II, Albert Odyssey, Dragonforce, and the legendary Panzer Dragoon Saga, though for what it's worth, their respective price points across the gaming market still speak for their quality vs. FF7's. As mediocre as the original PS1 incarnation of FF7 was, I feel it's deserving of a remake so perhaps it will get a fair shot at being a decent JRPG. Again, a proper translation, visuals that aren't any eyesore (even when taking FF7's time of release into consideration, Panzer Dragoon II Zwei and NiGHTS into Dreams-- two games on a system thought to have lower 3D prowess that the PS1, the Sega Saturn-- outcIassed FF7's real-time graphics in every way), and top-notch orchestral music presentation could even make it the unforgettable "cIassic" that so many fanboys proclaim their rushed PS1 JRPG already is.

And I do mean rushed... aforementioned horrible translation and embarrassing real-time lego graphics aside, ever notice how they didn't even finalize the graphics engine before starting to render the cutscenes? Sephiroth looks horrid in the Nibelheim flashback but is much more detailed when he stabs Aeris. Meanwhile, Aeris' model details-- especially her jaggy, blobby hair-- aren't even up to par with Sephiroth's model in that scene. While I'm generally not hung up on graphics, when it comes to some game which was supposedly so good-looking for it's time yet actually wasn't at all, criticism over completely inconsistent cutscene graphics is every bit as valid as the simpletons who praise them.

So, people are simpletons because they dare appreciate and like something you don't feel the same way about? okay there is something I don't feel is accurate or even fair right off the bat. I don't think there is any need for that so please refrain from calling anyone a simpleton okay?

Final Fantasy VII didn't rob any other RPG because if it's a good RPG (or any other genre for that matter) it will stand on its own good merits. I played Suikoden and thought it was a brilliant RPG (as a matter offact I think it ranks as one of the best).

Everything you mentioned in the intro of this post is YOUR opinion which obviously you're entitled to. I find it hard to believe that Final Fantasy VII would garner so much POSITIVE praise and be such a critical successif any of these thing applied as you say they do. The Final Fantasy VII soundtrack is steller (so much in fact I had to go buy the soundtrack). I like the music and I'm sure others do as well

Final Fantasy doesn't need a shot at being descent-it already is as is (imo) and thankfully graphics are not what make a game though they are an important element. I don't find the graphics to be all that bad and let's not forget this is the first Final Fantasy game on the PS1 (can we say that VIII an IX look horrible? I can't because they don't)

Wow, you sounded pretty upset in this post did you not? You donot need to get modded to sound upset.

Koi-Neon-X

Actually you did get upset, earlier in this thread, and I can easily point that out if you like.

I think if I got upset I'm probably would have received a MOD notice by now lol. Passionate maybe, perplexed occasionally, miffed possibly, but I try not to get upset especially in regards to this.

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

I agree with you on this. Koi does not know what he is talking about, nor does he understand most posts....I doubt he was even alive when FFVII was released juding from the way he posts.

jakandsig

Ibelieve being cordia is important. I also mentioned that everyone (not that I have to tell anyone) is entitled to how they feel about something.As to whether he was alive when FFVII was releasedI have no idea lol. Maybe and maybe not. Judging from hisprevious posts he seems to know quite a lot about video gamesso I need to be very careful *smiley face*

I take everything as it comes and not stress or worry about it.;)

I don't know what happened there! I can tell you it does that from time to time especially in the blogs.Well, since you said please:

I believe being cordial is important. I also mentioned (not that I have to tell anyone) is entitled to how they feel about something. As to whether he was alive when FFVII was released I have no idea lol. Maybe and maybe not. Judging from his previous posts he seems to know quite a lot about video games so I need to be very careful *smiley face*

there! I hope that came out better for you.;)

Just calM down koi.. It's a conversation..Juryau

I am calm Juryau. Of course if you or anyone else here knew me personally you would know I'm a very easy going person. I don't think it's wrong to be passionate about what you like (and let me say this too just in case) I'm not acussing anyone either. I'm not looking to start any fights I'm just expressing how I feel and I appreciate the fact that there are people who don't feel the same way. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I believe this is the problem when e-mailing or texting--things get a bit misconstrued.

[QUOTE="Juryau"]Just calM down koi.. It's a conversation..Koi-Neon-X

I am calm Juryau. Of course if you or anyone else here knew me personally you would know I'm a very easy going person. I don't think it's wrong to be passionate about what you like (and let me say this too just in case) I'm not acussing anyone either. I'm not looking to start any fights I'm just expressing how I feel and I appreciate the fact that there are people who don't feel the same way. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I believe this is the problem when e-mailing or texting--things get a bit misconstrued.

Nothing is being miscontrued, you just are not reading anything clearly, and misunderstanding them. Thats the problem its all you.

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

[QUOTE="jakandsig"] Can you please type your previous post in the english language, because google transulator can't understand your language.

jakandsig

I don't know what happened there! I can tell you it does that from time to time especially in the blogs.Well, since you said please:

I believe being cordial is important. I also mentioned (not that I have to tell anyone) is entitled to how they feel about something. As to whether he was alive when FFVII was released I have no idea lol. Maybe and maybe not. Judging from his previous posts he seems to know quite a lot about video games so I need to be very careful *smiley face*

there! I hope that came out better for you.;)

But in all seriousness I can read it now.

That's pretty funny actually. I don't know what happened honestly (sometimes the posts come out weird for some reason) and maybe it has something to do with our new laptop (I dunno). I could counteryour tremendous discovery with another and it doesn't involve typing, but people get mod warnings for these types of things. Speaking of which.....

[QUOTE="jakandsig"]

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

I don't know what happened there! I can tell you it does that from time to time especially in the blogs.Well, since you said please:

I believe being cordial is important. I also mentioned (not that I have to tell anyone) is entitled to how they feel about something. As to whether he was alive when FFVII was released I have no idea lol. Maybe and maybe not. Judging from his previous posts he seems to know quite a lot about video games so I need to be very careful *smiley face*

there! I hope that came out better for you.;)

Koi-Neon-X

But in all seriousness I can read it now.

That's pretty funny actually. I don't know what happened honestly (sometimes the posts come out weird for some reason) and maybe it has something to do with our new laptop (I dunno). I could counteryour tremendous discovery with another and it doesn't involve typing, but people get mod warnings for these types of things. Speaking of which.....

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

[QUOTE="Juryau"]Just calM down koi.. It's a conversation..TheTrueMagusX1

I am calm Juryau. Of course if you or anyone else here knew me personally you would know I'm a very easy going person. I don't think it's wrong to be passionate about what you like (and let me say this too just in case) I'm not acussing anyone either. I'm not looking to start any fights I'm just expressing how I feel and I appreciate the fact that there are people who don't feel the same way. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I believe this is the problem when e-mailing or texting--things get a bit misconstrued.

Nothing is being miscontrued, you just are not reading anything clearly, and misunderstanding them. Thats the problem its all you.

So basically you're judging my ability to read what's posted? a person you don't even know no less! There is a lot I can say about that, but I won't because there is no misunderstanding (at least not on my part whatsoever). You can ask anyone who knows me that I'm pretty quick to admit when I'm wrong or make a mistake. I takeresponsibility for it.I think it's pretty obvious that things are getting blown out of proportion here and if you don't feel that things are NOT being misconstrued then that's how you view it which if fine by me. Back on topic now perhaps?

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

I am calm Juryau. Of course if you or anyone else here knew me personally you would know I'm a very easy going person. I don't think it's wrong to be passionate about what you like (and let me say this too just in case) I'm not acussing anyone either. I'm not looking to start any fights I'm just expressing how I feel and I appreciate the fact that there are people who don't feel the same way. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I believe this is the problem when e-mailing or texting--things get a bit misconstrued.

Koi-Neon-X

Nothing is being miscontrued, you just are not reading anything clearly, and misunderstanding them. Thats the problem its all you.

So basically you're judging my ability to read what's posted? a person you don't even know no less! There is a lot I can say about that, but I won't because there is no misunderstanding (at least not on my part whatsoever). You can ask anyone who knows me that I'm pretty quick to admit when I'm wrong or make a mistake. I takeresponsibility for it.I think it's pretty obvious that things are getting blown out of proportion here and if you don't feel that things are NOT being misconstrued then that's how you view it which if fine by me. Back on topic now perhaps?

So, people are simpletons because they dare appreciate and like something you don't feel the same way about? okay there is something I don't feel is accurate or even fair right off the bat. I don't think there is any need for that so please refrain from calling anyone a simpleton okay?

Final Fantasy VII didn't rob any other RPG because if it's a good RPG (or any other genre for that matter) it will stand on its own good merits. I played Suikoden and thought it was a brilliant RPG (as a matter offact I think it ranks as one of the best).

Everything you mentioned in the intro of this post is YOUR opinion which obviously you're entitled to. I find it hard to believe that Final Fantasy VII would garner so much POSITIVE praise and be such a critical successif any of these thing applied as you say they do. The Final Fantasy VII soundtrack is steller (so much in fact I had to go buy the soundtrack). I like the music and I'm sure others do as well

Final Fantasy doesn't need a shot at being descent-it already is as is (imo) and thankfully graphics are not what make a game though they are an important element. I don't find the graphics to be all that bad and let's not forget this is the first Final Fantasy game on the PS1 (can we say that VIII an IX look horrible? I can't because they don't)

Wow, you sounded pretty upset in this post did you not? You donot need to get modded to sound upset.

I said things get misconstrued and you said that theyweren't and the misunderstanding and me not reading things clearly.

Since you seem to know me so well let me ask you a question: do you think it's a wise for a 34-year old man (who has heart problems and high blood pressure) to get upset from something that's written on a computer (!)and respond with anger? if you answered "no" you are correct.;)

I've noticed that you can get modded for just about anything if you even word something a particular wayand I don't wish to adopt a negative attitude because of what people say. Thank you. Now, shall we move on or shall we just let the thread get locked?

Well, let's see: I feel Final Fantasy looked descent considering it was on an 8-bit system. In my opinion I think Final Fantasy III has tremendous graphics (as did a lot of games on the Super Nintendo). I'm rather impressed how the Final Fantasy games look on the Gameboy systems. Maybe Final Fantasy XIII strayed from the usual formula but it looked really impressive no doubt. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Curious to know what you think about Final Fantasy graphics and why you feel they don't have superb graphics.

Now, keep in mind I'm going to read your response with consideration andan open mind (as I've always done) andplease don't feel offended if, by chance, I don't agree with your assessment. Okay?

Koi-Neon-X

Well, let's see: I feel Final Fantasy looked descent considering it was on an 8-bit system. In my opinion I think Final Fantasy III has tremendous graphics (as did a lot of games on the Super Nintendo). I'm rather impressed how the Final Fantasy games look on the Gameboy systems. Maybe Final Fantasy XIII strayed from the usual formula but it looked really impressive no doubt. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Curious to know what you think about Final Fantasy graphics and why you feel they don't have superb graphics.

Now, keep in mind I'm going to read your response with consideration andan open mind (as I've always done) andplease don't feel offended if, by chance, I don't agree with your assessment. Okay?

Ok bAck on iPod.. Btw koi I just think it's the font.. Lol Juryau

LOL! y'know maybe it is the font, but I seriously doubt it;). Nevermind the fact that they don't have to read it and I honestly can't see the problem because nobody has been very specific as to why it's a problem. I mean if it's hurting your eyes or something I'd be happy to change it (I'm not a heartless person y'know). Don't just say *your font is horrible and we can't take you seriously* because frankly I need a lot more details than that. I just call it like I see it.

By the way since we're talking about Final Fantasy (I think) is there a Final Fantasy game you're currently playing?

VIII is great... But IX Is the winnerJuryau

Final Fantasy VIII is great, but I have to agree that Final Fantasy IX takes the crown here. Playing Final Fantasy IX felt like coming home again y'know? it felt familar and new at the same time. I'm currently playing through the Final Fantasy collection and I can't wait to get to IX.

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"] Yes, the topic where i was trying to figure out what Ps1 games you were comparing FF7-9 to to conclude they have superb graphics.

jakandsig

Well, let's see: I feel Final Fantasy looked descent considering it was on an 8-bit system. In my opinion I think Final Fantasy III has tremendous graphics (as did a lot of games on the Super Nintendo). I'm rather impressed how the Final Fantasy games look on the Gameboy systems. Maybe Final Fantasy XIII strayed from the usual formula but it looked really impressive no doubt. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Curious to know what you think about Final Fantasy graphics and why you feel they don't have superb graphics.

Now, keep in mind I'm going to read your response with consideration andan open mind (as I've always done) andplease don't feel offended if, by chance, I don't agree with your assessment. Okay?

Your question wasn't avoided and perhaps maybe it was misunderstood. I decided to discuss how I felt about the graphics of previous Final Fantasy games and comparing them to the other Final Fantasy games on the PS1. With me so far? you also seem to be perplexed as to why I think they have superb graphics so I'll say it again: I think every Final Fantasy game (that I've played anyway) has great graphics. Simple enough right?

So, people are simpletons because they dare appreciate and like something you don't feel the same way about? okay there is something I don't feel is accurate or even fair right off the bat. I don't think there is any need for that so please refrain from calling anyone a simpleton okay?

Final Fantasy VII didn't rob any other RPG because if it's a good RPG (or any other genre for that matter) it will stand on its own good merits. I played Suikoden and thought it was a brilliant RPG (as a matter offact I think it ranks as one of the best).

Everything you mentioned in the intro of this post is YOUR opinion which obviously you're entitled to. I find it hard to believe that Final Fantasy VII would garner so much POSITIVE praise and be such a critical successif any of these thing applied as you say they do. The Final Fantasy VII soundtrack is steller (so much in fact I had to go buy the soundtrack). I like the music and I'm sure others do as well

Final Fantasy doesn't need a shot at being descent-it already is as is (imo) and thankfully graphics are not what make a game though they are an important element. I don't find the graphics to be all that bad and let's not forget this is the first Final Fantasy game on the PS1 (can we say that VIII an IX look horrible? I can't because they don't)

Koi-Neon-X

Wow, you sounded pretty upset in this post did you not? You donot need to get modded to sound upset.

I said things get misconstrued and you said that theyweren't and the misunderstanding and me not reading things clearly.

Since you seem to know me so well let me ask you a question: do you think it's a wise for a 34-year old man (who has heart problems and high blood pressure) to get upset from something that's written on a computer (!)and respond with anger? if you answered "no" you are correct.;)

I've noticed that you can get modded for just about anything if you even word something a particular wayand I don't wish to adopt a negative attitude because of what people say. Thank you. Now, shall we move on or shall we just let the thread get locked?

What I donot understand is why do you keep saying people are calling other people simpletons, where as I have not seen anyone use the word simpleton but you.

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

Wow, you sounded pretty upset in this post did you not? You donot need to get modded to sound upset.

TheTrueMagusX1

I said things get misconstrued and you said that theyweren't and the misunderstanding and me not reading things clearly.

Since you seem to know me so well let me ask you a question: do you think it's a wise for a 34-year old man (who has heart problems and high blood pressure) to get upset from something that's written on a computer (!)and respond with anger? if you answered "no" you are correct.;)

I've noticed that you can get modded for just about anything if you even word something a particular wayand I don't wish to adopt a negative attitude because of what people say. Thank you. Now, shall we move on or shall we just let the thread get locked?

What I donot understand is why do you keep saying people are calling other people simpletons, where as I have not seen anyone use the word simpleton but you.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

I said things get misconstrued and you said that theyweren't and the misunderstanding and me not reading things clearly.

Since you seem to know me so well let me ask you a question: do you think it's a wise for a 34-year old man (who has heart problems and high blood pressure) to get upset from something that's written on a computer (!)and respond with anger? if you answered "no" you are correct.;)

I've noticed that you can get modded for just about anything if you even word something a particular wayand I don't wish to adopt a negative attitude because of what people say. Thank you. Now, shall we move on or shall we just let the thread get locked?

Koi-Neon-X

What I donot understand is why do you keep saying people are calling other people simpletons, where as I have not seen anyone use the word simpleton but you.

You also did not answer my question and have not explained how Final Fantasy 7-9 and the spin-off;s on the Ps1 look good. Heck, why not tell me how any SQUARE GAME at all has superb graphics on the PS1? Asking you a question.Koi-Neon-X

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]You also did not answer my question and have not explained how Final Fantasy 7-9 and the spin-off;s on the Ps1 look good. Heck, why not tell me how any SQUARE GAME at all has superb graphics on the PS1? Asking you a question.jakandsig

ITT, anyone who provides valid criticism to back up their opinion that the game is completely meciocre-- not great, not particularly bad, just run-of-the-mill-- is deemed a "hater." Wow, FF7 Defense Force. Keep reaching for that rainbow, you're almost as bad as the FF7 fanbase on Gamefaqs. Then again, most FF7 fanboys are either Gamefaqs rejects or still actively post/ defend FF7 there, too.

pills4louis

ITT, anyone who provides valid criticism to back up their opinion that the game is completely meciocre-- not great, not particularly bad, just run-of-the-mill-- is deemed a "hater." Wow, FF7 Defense Force. Keep reaching for that rainbow, you're almost as bad as the FF7 fanbase on Gamefaqs. Then again, most FF7 fanboys are either Gamefaqs rejects or still actively post/ defend FF7 there, too.

pills4louis

FF7 defense force is almost as bad as the Sony defense force.jakandsig

I mean unless they're absolutely rude and have tunnel-vision then maybe.Koi-Neon-X

[QUOTE="jakandsig"]FF7 defense force is almost as bad as the Sony defense force.pills4louis

I mean unless they're absolutely rude and have tunnel-vision then maybe.Koi-Neon-X

[QUOTE="jakandsig"]FF7 defense force is almost as bad as the Sony defense force.pills4louis

I mean unless they're absolutely rude and have tunnel-vision then maybe.Koi-Neon-X

[QUOTE="pills4louis"]

[QUOTE="jakandsig"]Seconding this truthful notion.

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]I mean unless they're absolutely rude and have tunnel-vision then maybe.jakandsig

Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, Suikoden the list goes on and onKoi-Neon-X

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, Suikoden the list goes on and onjakandsig

Chrono Trigger

Chrono Cross

Xenogears

Suikoden

Suikoden II

Shin megami Tensei: Nocturne

Panzer Dragoon Saga

Final Fantasy IV

Final Fantasy V

Final Fantasy VI

Final Fantasy IX

Final Fantasy XIII (deal with it.)

Parasite Eve

Vagrant Story

Super Mario RPG

Albert Odyssey

Dragonforce

Tales of Destiny

Grandia

Grandia II

Breath of Fire II

Breath of Fire III

Breath of Fire IV

Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2

Devil Summoner 1 & 2

SaGa Frontier

Valkyrie Profile

Golden Sun 1 & 2

Just off the top of my head.

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, Suikoden the list goes on and onjakandsig

[QUOTE="jakandsig"][QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, Suikoden the list goes on and onKoi-Neon-X

seems like every FF7 debate quickly degenerates from a civil and productive discussion , to a crazed argument where people throw insults at each other, and Im blaming both blind haters, (and yes, they exist) and blind FF7 fans who take it far too personally when they are told FF7 might not be the greatest thing since the wheel was invented (and again they exist)

if someone has played a game for a decent amount of time, his/her opinion is perfectly valid , debating is one thing, insults are another.

when a person has not played a game or owns a console and a decent amount of games for it, and yet feel obliged to give an opinion , that is when I feel a person's opinion is not valuable, because personally I value educated opinion far , far more then uneducated opinion

at any rate if I had to give an opinion on FF7, I would say its my personal favourite FF game, and one of my favourites on the PS1, now how does it compare to my other 2 favourite RPGs , Grandia and Panzer Saga? that is likely to turn into a mini theological debate.

seems like every FF7 debate quickly degenerates from a civil and productive discussion , to a crazed argument where people throw insults at each other, and Im blaming both blind haters, (and yes, they exist) and blind FF7 fans who take it far too personally when they are told FF7 might not be the greatest thing since the wheel was invented (and again they exist)

if someone has played a game for a decent amount of time, his/her opinion is perfectly valid , debating is one thing, insults are another.

when a person has not played a game or owns a console and a decent amount of games for it, and yet feel obliged to give an opinion , that is when I feel a person's opinion is not valuable, because personally I value educated opinion far , far more then uneducated opinion

at any rate if I had to give an opinion on FF7, I would say its my personal favourite FF game, and one of my favourites on the PS1, now how does it compare to my other 2 favourite RPGs , Grandia and Panzer Saga? that is likely to turn into a mini theological debate.

Darkman2007

Thats exactly what I have been saying. Thats why FFVII needs to be dropped for a while. Thats why I said this thread is rather pointless. Exactly what I was saying did happen, wiith the fighting. FFVII is fourteen years old, and all anyone talks about the game whether if its mediocre or not. Get over it, let the game be....FFVII is probably my second favorite ff, but its not my favorite game of all time. There are other RPGs that captivated me more so than that game, but I am not goig to say my opinion is right. The fact is this is the problem with FFVII, it turns those that hate the game and those that love the game into rabies infected dogs snapping each other. Look at what happened in this thread? Prime example...of this.

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, Suikoden the list goes on and onjakandsig

So, from this post I was supposed to know you wanted a N64 list and not a PS1 list? hmm....my psychic powers are not working today:P

but I do know the N64 listwill be much shorter:

N64:

Blast Corps

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask

Mario Golf

Mario Kart 64

Mario Tennis

Pilot Wings 64

Stars Wars: Shaddows of the Empire

Super Mario 64

Wave Race 64

WCW vs. NWO: World Tour

WCW/NWO: Revenge

WWF No Mercy

My time with the N64 was very brief thanks in part to the release of the PS2 and the lack of games for the N64 (at least where I was locatedin the worldanyway)

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

seems like every FF7 debate quickly degenerates from a civil and productive discussion , to a crazed argument where people throw insults at each other, and Im blaming both blind haters, (and yes, they exist) and blind FF7 fans who take it far too personally when they are told FF7 might not be the greatest thing since the wheel was invented (and again they exist)

if someone has played a game for a decent amount of time, his/her opinion is perfectly valid , debating is one thing, insults are another.

when a person has not played a game or owns a console and a decent amount of games for it, and yet feel obliged to give an opinion , that is when I feel a person's opinion is not valuable, because personally I value educated opinion far , far more then uneducated opinion

at any rate if I had to give an opinion on FF7, I would say its my personal favourite FF game, and one of my favourites on the PS1, now how does it compare to my other 2 favourite RPGs , Grandia and Panzer Saga? that is likely to turn into a mini theological debate.

Thats exactly what I have been saying. Thats why FFVII needs to be dropped for a while. Thats why I said this thread is rather pointless. Exactly what I was saying did happen, wiith the fighting. FFVII is fourteen years old, and all anyone talks about the game whether if its mediocre or not. Get over it, let the game be....FFVII is probably my second favorite ff, but its not my favorite game of all time. There are other RPGs that captivated me more so than that game, but I am not goig to say my opinion is right. The fact is this is the problem with FFVII, it turns those that hate the game and those that love the game into rabies infected dogs snapping each other. Look at what happened in this thread? Prime example...of this.

Yeah FF VII threads tend to always lead into crazed arguments bit really though cant we talk about a game without Goin all crazy about.. And yeah I've seen the VII fans at gamefaqs...Juryau