FINAL FANTASY VII (good, but mostly bad)

Yeah FF VII threads tend to always lead into crazed arguments bit really though cant we talk about a game without Goin all crazy about.. And yeah I've seen the VII fans at gamefaqs...Juryau

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

Thats exactly what I have been saying. Thats why FFVII needs to be dropped for a while. Thats why I said this thread is rather pointless. Exactly what I was saying did happen, wiith the fighting. FFVII is fourteen years old, and all anyone talks about the game whether if its mediocre or not. Get over it, let the game be....FFVII is probably my second favorite ff, but its not my favorite game of all time. There are other RPGs that captivated me more so than that game, but I am not goig to say my opinion is right. The fact is this is the problem with FFVII, it turns those that hate the game and those that love the game into rabies infected dogs snapping each other. Look at what happened in this thread? Prime example...of this.

Koi-Neon-X

Yeah FF VII threads tend to always lead into crazed arguments bit really though cant we talk about a game without Goin all crazy about.. And yeah I've seen the VII fans at gamefaqs...Juryau

Thats the problem, FFVII discussion is never healthy. Its heated but never healthy. And sadly FFVII fans or haters think the way you do, hence why these threads explode into flame wars.

ITT, anyone who provides valid criticism to back up their opinion that the game is completely meciocre-- not great, not particularly bad, just run-of-the-mill-- is deemed a "hater." Wow, FF7 Defense Force. Keep reaching for that rainbow, you're almost as bad as the FF7 fanbase on Gamefaqs. Then again, most FF7 fanboys are either Gamefaqs rejects or still actively post/ defend FF7 there, too.

pills4louis

Your post was hillarious. I find it funny in that you act as if the FFVII fanboys are rabid, but the haters are as well. They have to make their distinguiqhed tastes the best, to deride the fanboys to see them get mad. The fanboys do the same thing....and it looks like your doing the same thing to make up for some obvious insercurity that you have.

[QUOTE="pills4louis"]

ITT, anyone who provides valid criticism to back up their opinion that the game is completely meciocre-- not great, not particularly bad, just run-of-the-mill-- is deemed a "hater." Wow, FF7 Defense Force. Keep reaching for that rainbow, you're almost as bad as the FF7 fanbase on Gamefaqs. Then again, most FF7 fanboys are either Gamefaqs rejects or still actively post/ defend FF7 there, too.

TheTrueMagusX1

Your post was hillarious. I find it funny in that you act as if the FFVII fanboys are rabid, but the haters are as well. They have to make their distinguiqhed tastes the best, to deride the fanboys to see them get mad. The fanboys do the same thing....and it looks like your doing the same thing to make up for some obvious insercurity that you have.

I hear what you're saying The TrueMagusX1 I really do, but it doesn't have to be that way. I don't see a problem with A) expressing my views regarding Final Fantasy VII (considering that's also the subject title so excuse me lol) and B) listening (yes listening-not hating) to other opinions and then expressing my opinion about that. It's more complicated than it has to be and I don't consider myself (and I'm not saying you called me this) a "rabid FFVII fanboy" I mean please I play RPGs from various companies and I'm just as blown away by those as I am with FFVII. I don't feel insecurity about something I didn't even have a part in as far as its creation process. I know it's a good game for me and I think the reasons why I love it so much is because and I'll name two here

A) it's a great RPG and

B) it came out during a time in my life where I was away from home for the first time, part of the U.S.Navy,living in a country I haven't been to in many years (Japan), and it was a major release for the PS1. I didn't have too much selection where I was at (certainly wasn't going to buy Final Fantasy VII off-base because I can't read Kanji, Hiragana, or Katakana) I'm sure we all have a memory of certain games that impacted us in a variety of ways. For me Final Fantasy represents quality and a hint of nostalgia for a time long since passed.

For me to be surprised that not everyone loves Final Fantasy VII like I do is absurd in my view and very unrealistic.

[QUOTE="jakandsig"][QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, Suikoden the list goes on and onKoi-Neon-X

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"][QUOTE="jakandsig"] That sounds like a response to "What are the top N64 games" question. Does the list really go on or does it stop their? But in this case I know what your saying. Just going slightly off topic here.pills4louis

Still trying to make his tastes look better than others to compensate some sort of insercurity!

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TheTrueMagusX1

O:Juryau

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"][QUOTE="jakandsig"] That sounds like a response to "What are the top N64 games" question. Does the list really go on or does it stop their? But in this case I know what your saying. Just going slightly off topic here.pills4louis

Well, then I would suggest sounding off then. I believe we're talking RPGs here, but I don't think other genres are exempt so....

[QUOTE="pills4louis"]

Oh definitely the list goes on and on lol and not just with RPGs. I tend to gravitate towards all kinds of genres (except FPS and Guitar Hero type games because it's not just not my thing). I know last time I asked you list before lol so I'll add some more to the "on and on"Koi-Neon-X

Still trying to make his tastes look better than others to compensate some sort of insercurity!

After years of not playing FFVII and reading almost nothing but criticism for the game online, it started to shape how I remembered the game and I began to feel like it had been a rather mediocre game. I went back and played it and loved it.

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[QUOTE="pills4louis"]Oh, god... We aren't just talking about RPGs here? Are we talking about games in general that give FF7 a run for its money? Because I'd be typing out titles for hours on end if that's the case...

Koi-Neon-X

Still trying to make his tastes look better than others to compensate some sort of insercurity!

That post was not targeted towards you! LOL

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

Still trying to make his tastes look better than others to compensate some sort of insercurity!

TheTrueMagusX1

That post was not targeted towards you! LOL

My apologies. Lately I feel like I have to be on the defense whenever I'm in the forums. It's not safe to expressopinions anymore!I think now I know why I stayed away from them for as long as I did because they can be pretty horrible (almost as bad as the CNN forums) I figure since I made a couple of lists here that once again I had to endure a barrage of this, that, and the other. Again, sorry.:(

Who cares if Final Fantasy VII sucks or its the best game ever made for RPG fans. This topic has been going on for too long. It must end now! Of course it wont but just really tired of people having arguements over this. Even if they say they are not just leave it to be..... So yeah I think Final Fantasy VII is an okay game, never got into it but playing only the first 10 hours it was good :D

Who cares if Final Fantasy VII sucks or its the best game ever made for RPG fans. This topic has been going on for too long. It must end now! Of course it wont but just really tired of people having arguements over this. Even if they say they are not just leave it to be..... So yeah I think Final Fantasy VII is an okay game, never got into it but playing only the first 10 hours it was good :D

Hun_ger

So yeah I think Final Fantasy VII is an okay game, never got into it but playing only the first 10 hours it was good :D

Hun_ger

You are the first person to use the "I played for X number of hours" comment and lived. Maybe GS doesn't have hardcore FFVII fanboys. Thank god.jakandsig

I like how all of a sudden it's prone to hate because it gets so much praise ironically. Lets be honest though, if it was your first FF or you played it at it's release, you probably would of loved this game. It evolved the franchise and their was pretty much nothing like it at the time and for that it deserves lots of praise. People like to play the newer ones first then compare to the older ones. You're doing it wrong.

most people don't realize that at the time the game was released it was the first of its kind. alot of people say "oh everything about it is so cliche, the story, the characters etc etc" but at the time, it wasn't cliche as it was one of the first of its kind.

having played it recently really the only thing i can rip on it is the graphics, they're not what people would consider good by todays standards. that being said, they still work and the game is thoroughly playable and enjoyable i think.

most people don't realize that at the time the game was released it was the first of its kind. alot of people say "oh everything about it is so cliche, the story, the characters etc etc" but at the time, it wasn't cliche as it was one of the first of its kind.

having played it recently really the only thing i can rip on it is the graphics, they're not what people would consider good by todays standards. that being said, they still work and the game is thoroughly playable and enjoyable i think.

z4twenny

most people don't realize that at the time the game was released it was the first of its kind. alot of people say "oh everything about it is so cliche, the story, the characters etc etc" but at the time, it wasn't cliche as it was one of the first of its kind.

having played it recently really the only thing i can rip on it is the graphics, they're not what people would consider good by todays standards. that being said, they still work and the game is thoroughly playable and enjoyable i think.

z4twenny

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most people don't realize that at the time the game was released it was the first of its kind. alot of people say "oh everything about it is so cliche, the story, the characters etc etc" but at the time, it wasn't cliche as it was one of the first of its kind.

having played it recently really the only thing i can rip on it is the graphics, they're not what people would consider good by todays standards. that being said, they still work and the game is thoroughly playable and enjoyable i think.

Darkman2007

Exactly my thoughts, though there were reasons why the game was big. You are right though it did do things that other RPGS have done, but what it seperated at the time were the graphics of course, and than the marketing campaign. FFVII had a huge marketing campaign, that most JRPGs than and now wish they could of gotten. That was the key to the games success, simply put a brilliant marketing scheme that did not show gameplay but the cutscenes.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

most people don't realize that at the time the game was released it was the first of its kind. alot of people say "oh everything about it is so cliche, the story, the characters etc etc" but at the time, it wasn't cliche as it was one of the first of its kind.

having played it recently really the only thing i can rip on it is the graphics, they're not what people would consider good by todays standards. that being said, they still work and the game is thoroughly playable and enjoyable i think.

TheTrueMagusX1

Exactly my thoughts, though there were reasons why the game was big. You are right though it did do things that other RPGS have done, but what it seperated at the time were the graphics of course, and than the marketing campaign. FFVII had a huge marketing campaign, that most JRPGs than and now wish they could of gotten. That was the key to the games success, simply put a brilliant marketing scheme that did not show gameplay but the cutscenes.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

most people don't realize that at the time the game was released it was the first of its kind. alot of people say "oh everything about it is so cliche, the story, the characters etc etc" but at the time, it wasn't cliche as it was one of the first of its kind.

having played it recently really the only thing i can rip on it is the graphics, they're not what people would consider good by todays standards. that being said, they still work and the game is thoroughly playable and enjoyable i think.

TheTrueMagusX1

Exactly my thoughts, though there were reasons why the game was big. You are right though it did do things that other RPGS have done, but what it seperated at the time were the graphics of course, and than the marketing campaign. FFVII had a huge marketing campaign, that most JRPGs than and now wish they could of gotten. That was the key to the games success, simply put a brilliant marketing scheme that did not show gameplay but the cutscenes.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] what was unique about FF7 that hadn't been done on previous RPGs?jakandsig

Exactly my thoughts, though there were reasons why the game was big. You are right though it did do things that other RPGS have done, but what it seperated at the time were the graphics of course, and than the marketing campaign. FFVII had a huge marketing campaign, that most JRPGs than and now wish they could of gotten. That was the key to the games success, simply put a brilliant marketing scheme that did not show gameplay but the cutscenes.

If you read my post the key words for its time. Remember, if you were around gaming in 1997 like many of us old timers were, you would remember that in terms JRPGs nothing looked like FFVII back in those days. Even for JRPGs that were released on the PS1 prior to FFVII, i.e Suikoden, Shin Megami Tensei: Persona, and Wild Armor, FFVII was quite the looker in those days. We are not saying the graphics are the greatest ever. Judging from the more posts I read, you are really not from the old generations of gaming are you?

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] what was unique about FF7 that hadn't been done on previous RPGs?Darkman2007

Exactly my thoughts, though there were reasons why the game was big. You are right though it did do things that other RPGS have done, but what it seperated at the time were the graphics of course, and than the marketing campaign. FFVII had a huge marketing campaign, that most JRPGs than and now wish they could of gotten. That was the key to the games success, simply put a brilliant marketing scheme that did not show gameplay but the cutscenes.

True, but consider that most JRPGs donot get that treatment alot. Companies did it alot, but JRPGs did not get that treatment.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

Exactly my thoughts, though there were reasons why the game was big. You are right though it did do things that other RPGS have done, but what it seperated at the time were the graphics of course, and than the marketing campaign. FFVII had a huge marketing campaign, that most JRPGs than and now wish they could of gotten. That was the key to the games success, simply put a brilliant marketing scheme that did not show gameplay but the cutscenes.

TheTrueMagusX1

True, but consider that most JRPGs donot get that treatment alot. Companies did it alot, but JRPGs did not get that treatment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RBiZHV5X5M&feature=related

not FMVs, but these FF1 and 2 ads from Japan use a combine FMV and actors without showing any gameplay footage really

[QUOTE="jakandsig"][QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

Exactly my thoughts, though there were reasons why the game was big. You are right though it did do things that other RPGS have done, but what it seperated at the time were the graphics of course, and than the marketing campaign. FFVII had a huge marketing campaign, that most JRPGs than and now wish they could of gotten. That was the key to the games success, simply put a brilliant marketing scheme that did not show gameplay but the cutscenes.

TheTrueMagusX1

If you read my post the key words for its time. Remember, if you were around gaming in 1997 like many of us old timers were, you would remember that in terms JRPGs nothing looked like FFVII back in those days. Even for JRPGs that were released on the PS1 prior to FFVII, i.e Suikoden, Shin Megami Tensei: Persona, and Wild Armor, FFVII was quite the looker in those days. We are not saying the graphics are the greatest ever. Judging from the more posts I read, you are really not from the old generations of gaming are you?

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[QUOTE="jakandsig"] What is up with you guys and FFVII's graphics? But anyway, IMO the cutscenes could have bee better as well despite that's what got people to be attracted to the game. Oh, and the fact that they also made up most of the games size.jakandsig

If you read my post the key words for its time. Remember, if you were around gaming in 1997 like many of us old timers were, you would remember that in terms JRPGs nothing looked like FFVII back in those days. Even for JRPGs that were released on the PS1 prior to FFVII, i.e Suikoden, Shin Megami Tensei: Persona, and Wild Armor, FFVII was quite the looker in those days. We are not saying the graphics are the greatest ever. Judging from the more posts I read, you are really not from the old generations of gaming are you?

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="jakandsig"] What is up with you guys and FFVII's graphics? But anyway, IMO the cutscenes could have bee better as well despite that's what got people to be attracted to the game. Oh, and the fact that they also made up most of the games size.jakandsig

If you read my post the key words for its time. Remember, if you were around gaming in 1997 like many of us old timers were, you would remember that in terms JRPGs nothing looked like FFVII back in those days. Even for JRPGs that were released on the PS1 prior to FFVII, i.e Suikoden, Shin Megami Tensei: Persona, and Wild Armor, FFVII was quite the looker in those days. We are not saying the graphics are the greatest ever. Judging from the more posts I read, you are really not from the old generations of gaming are you?

Actually I was 14 in 1997, that was 14 years ago, you want my age do the math. Now I never said FFVII had the best graphics on the PS1, what I did say is at that point in the PS1s life span FFVII was quite beautiful compared to other rpgs released on the console. Now at that point I am talking between 1995-1997. Other games did come out after FFVII that did look better graphically, but my point is for that point in time FFVII was a good looking game. But remember key word point!

Why do people keep saying the graphics were even remotely good, though, when they were already outclassed by multiple Sega Saturn games the year before? (which, by the way, was a console better-suited for sprite-based games) I never understood this.

Why do people keep saying the graphics were even remotely good, though, when they were already outclassed by multiple Sega Saturn games the year before? (which, by the way, was a console better-suited for sprite-based games) I never understood this.

pills4louis

Why do people keep saying the graphics were even remotely good, though, when they were already outclassed by multiple Sega Saturn games the year before? (which, by the way, was a console better-suited for sprite-based games) I never understood this.

pills4louis

Why do people keep saying the graphics were even remotely good, though, when they were already outclassed by multiple Sega Saturn games the year before? (which, by the way, was a console better-suited for sprite-based games) I never understood this.

pills4louis

If you actually read my post, I stated JRPGs on the PS1 up to that point. Which basically segregates itself quite a bit. Now let me break it down for you....first it means JRPGs, only JRPGs, and PS1 means only JRPGs on the PS1. And than when I say up to that point, it means Only JRPGS on the PS1 between 1995 and 1997. So that means I am comparing on a very limited basis, and I am saying it looks good in that group. No where did I mention that it was better than Saturn games or later PS1 rpgs....you need to learn to read posts clearly. Of course knowing you, you might respond with some lame meme and not an actual argument.

interestingly , there was a Saturn RPG in 1998 called "Become the Coach" , basically a football themed RPG from Enix, where the ingame graphics remind me of FF7 alot, just improved (I had the game but didn't play it much)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2WMLUR8p2Y

I love VII but my only gripe with it is how its just FFVI story with some element switched. >_>

I'm not willing to overlook FF7's eyesore visuals simply because it's an RPG, sorry. NiGHTS into Dreams and Panzer Dragoon II Zwei -- both circa 1996-- outclassed the game in terms of visuals.

I love VII but my only gripe with it is how its just FFVI story with some element switched. >_>

archvile_78

No its not you have no idea what your talking about. They are save the worlds but they are done in very different ways. I donot even know how you got that idea. Gestahl empire is completely different than Shinra. Kefka is not like Sephiroth in the least. Its an ensemble cast, not like FFVII where its essentiallyClouds Story.

one pre FF7 RPG I have to give credit to (at least in terms of visuals) is Lucienne's Quest on the 3DO from 1995

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dLliVCEoCA&feature=related

while the frame rate is a bit choppy, it looks really good, as its a full 3D world with 2D characters a la Grandia.

one pre FF7 RPG I have to give credit to (at least in terms of visuals) is Lucienne's Quest on the 3DO from 1995

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dLliVCEoCA&feature=related

while the frame rate is a bit choppy, it looks really good, as its a full 3D world with 2D characters a la Grandia.

Darkman2007

It looks good for a 3DO game. Reminds me of Grandia as you said.

[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

I love VII but my only gripe with it is how its just FFVI story with some element switched. >_>

TheTrueMagusX1

No its not you have no idea what your talking about. They are save the worlds but they are done in very different ways. I donot even know how you got that idea. Gestahl empire is completely different than Shinra. Kefka is not like Sephiroth in the least. Its an ensemble cast, not like FFVII where its essentiallyClouds Story.

Looks pretty damn similar to me!

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

one pre FF7 RPG I have to give credit to (at least in terms of visuals) is Lucienne's Quest on the 3DO from 1995

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dLliVCEoCA&feature=related

while the frame rate is a bit choppy, it looks really good, as its a full 3D world with 2D characters a la Grandia.

TheTrueMagusX1

It looks good for a 3DO game. Reminds me of Grandia as you said.

I like FFVII, its a wonderful game. I've been playing it recently because I never really got very far into it when I played it before. there's a lot of things about it that I don't really like, but plenty that I do. There's enough good to definitely make me want to continue.

The bad: The graphics look terrible, didn't age well at all. But that's ok, because I'm not too critical about graphics. During battle, I'll often have a difficult time targeting the correct thing. I don't like the world map too much either. I would rather it have let you explore the world linearly like it did throughout the first maybe 10 hours. Sometimes I'll have no idea where I am supposed to be going. I also don't like how you can't change your party whenever you want to unless you are on the world map or prompted.

The good: Great music, the story is very intriquing. The materia system works well and makes collecting items and things fun. Battles are fun, not too easy, and not frustratingly hard. The art style is good, even if the technical graphics aren't, the game still manages to look nice and interesting. The characters, with the exception of a few (I'm looking at you Barret!) are very interesting.

Overall, FFVII is a very entertaining game, I haven't finished it yet so I can't really say how great it is for certain. So far, I don't really think that I would say it is the best RPG ever like many people say, but it is definitely one of the better RPGs that are worth playing even if now is your first time.