FINAL FANTASY VII (good, but mostly bad)

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

I love VII but my only gripe with it is how its just FFVI story with some element switched. >_>

archvile_78

No its not you have no idea what your talking about. They are save the worlds but they are done in very different ways. I donot even know how you got that idea. Gestahl empire is completely different than Shinra. Kefka is not like Sephiroth in the least. Its an ensemble cast, not like FFVII where its essentiallyClouds Story.

Looks pretty damn similar to me!

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

I love VII but my only gripe with it is how its just FFVI story with some element switched. >_>

archvile_78

No its not you have no idea what your talking about. They are save the worlds but they are done in very different ways. I donot even know how you got that idea. Gestahl empire is completely different than Shinra. Kefka is not like Sephiroth in the least. Its an ensemble cast, not like FFVII where its essentiallyClouds Story.

Looks pretty damn similar to me!

Wow, I find it funny that your "evidence" even gets facts wrong.

[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

No its not you have no idea what your talking about. They are save the worlds but they are done in very different ways. I donot even know how you got that idea. Gestahl empire is completely different than Shinra. Kefka is not like Sephiroth in the least. Its an ensemble cast, not like FFVII where its essentiallyClouds Story.

TheTrueMagusX1

Looks pretty damn similar to me!

Wow, I find it funny that your "evidence" even gets facts wrong.

There's some wrong part in that yes but most of it looks spot on to me, like it or not VII borrowed element from VI story, i find it funny that you don't say anything else then "your evidence even gets facts wrong" i played both often enough but im curious as to what you can come up with to prove my "evidence" wrong. Not that its important, i love VII i just laugh when people say its story is "original"

I never said it was original. I suggest you read child.TheTrueMagusX1

Nor did i said you said it was original, and you tell me to read after, heh. I did say "i just laugh when people say its story is "original" but if you felt it was directed to you its not my problem.

No I just donot take lame internet memes that even have its details wrong. For example Sephiroth did not destroy the world, but Kefk did. Again if your familiar with the games than you would understand the differences. FFVII is not original, nor are Vi, but they are different enough to be considered different entities....Look at the themes of both games, FFVII had a heavy environmental theme, FFVI had one more on friendship. I actually find it funny that you donot read previous posts, or that clearly you have no idea what your talking about, its obviosu you lack knowledge.TheTrueMagusX1

Maybe i should be clearer by saying, i know the stories are played differently but its the element from said story that gives me this "it feels like FFVI" vibe thus my original post at the top of the page

Is that clearer to you?

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

I never said it was original. I suggest you read child.archvile_78

Nor did i said you said it was original, and you tell me to read after, heh. I did say "i just laugh when people say its story is "original" but if you felt it was directed to you its not my problem.

No I just donot take lame internet memes that even have its details wrong. For example Sephiroth did not destroy the world, but Kefk did. Again if your familiar with the games than you would understand the differences. FFVII is not original, nor are Vi, but they are different enough to be considered different entities....Look at the themes of both games, FFVII had a heavy environmental theme, FFVI had one more on friendship. I actually find it funny that you donot read previous posts, or that clearly you have no idea what your talking about, its obviosu you lack knowledge.TheTrueMagusX1

Maybe i should be clearer by saying, i know the stories are played differently but its the element from said story that gives me this "it feels like FFVI" vibe thus my original post at the top of the page

Is that clearer to you?

Your arguments have no ground. Your saying I misunderstood it, but all your doing is backtracking to make your arguments look like something else. First and foremost, you used an internet meme as validation towards your arguments(I noticed that this some sort of strange trend around here lately). Using a lame internet meme that it self has incorrect information invalidated you from the beggining. And now your back tracking saying you should of been clearer. You said they were exactly the same, with a few things switched around....you never meant anything about it giving a familiar vibe. Your arguments are fallible at best, and I suggest next time you debate you donot back track with so called misunderstood meanings and internet memes. It proves you have no idea what your talking about, and you lack utter general gaming knowledge.

[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

Nor did i said you said it was original, and you tell me to read after, heh. I did say "i just laugh when people say its story is "original" but if you felt it was directed to you its not my problem.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]No I just donot take lame internet memes that even have its details wrong. For example Sephiroth did not destroy the world, but Kefk did. Again if your familiar with the games than you would understand the differences. FFVII is not original, nor are Vi, but they are different enough to be considered different entities....Look at the themes of both games, FFVII had a heavy environmental theme, FFVI had one more on friendship. I actually find it funny that you donot read previous posts, or that clearly you have no idea what your talking about, its obviosu you lack knowledge.TheTrueMagusX1

Maybe i should be clearer by saying, i know the stories are played differently but its the element from said story that gives me this "it feels like FFVI" vibe thus my original post at the top of the page

Is that clearer to you?

Your arguments have no ground. Your saying I misunderstood it, but all your doing is backtracking to make your arguments look like something else. First and foremost, you used an internet meme as validation towards your arguments(I noticed that this some sort of strange trend around here lately). Using a lame internet meme that it self has incorrect information invalidated you from the beggining. And now your back tracking saying you should of been clearer. You said they were exactly the same, with a few things switched around....you never meant anything about it giving a familiar vibe. Your arguments are fallible at best, and I suggest next time you debate you donot back track with so called misunderstood meanings and internet memes. It proves you have no idea what your talking about, and you lack utter general gaming knowledge.

I don't think the internet meme was designed to be taken literally, but as an example of characters and story elements being switched around no? I understood what you were getting at thoughArchvile_78.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

I love VII but my only gripe with it is how its just FFVI story with some element switched. >_>

archvile_78

No its not you have no idea what your talking about. They are save the worlds but they are done in very different ways. I donot even know how you got that idea. Gestahl empire is completely different than Shinra. Kefka is not like Sephiroth in the least. Its an ensemble cast, not like FFVII where its essentiallyClouds Story.

Looks pretty damn similar to me!

The story begins with a soldier of the evil Empire. However, because of bizarre magicite experiments done on her she now has amnesia. She joins forces with the resistance group the The Returns, which become the players main party. As the player progresses, it turns out there is a high ranking soldier of the Empire, Kefka, who is hungry for power. He is the prototypical soldier of magicite experiments. Kefka's mad rise to power is rife with mass murder, and finally culminates in him pushing the statues to destroy the world.

The story begins with a soldier of the evil Shinra. However, because of bizarre mako experiments done on him he now has amnesia. He joins forces with the resistance group AVALANCHE, which become the players main party. As the player progresses, it turns out there is a high ranking soldier of Shinra, Sephiroth, who is hungry for power. He is the prototypical soldier of mako experiments. Sephroth's mad rise to power is rife with mass murder, and finally culminates in him summoning meteor.

These are both poor descriptions of either game with factually incorrect elements and huge omissions. Some of the most important elements of the games are missing.

You might as well say FFVI plagaraized FFII.

[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

No its not you have no idea what your talking about. They are save the worlds but they are done in very different ways. I donot even know how you got that idea. Gestahl empire is completely different than Shinra. Kefka is not like Sephiroth in the least. Its an ensemble cast, not like FFVII where its essentiallyClouds Story.

hakanakumono

Looks pretty damn similar to me!

The story begins with a soldier of the evil Empire. However, because of bizarre magicite experiments done on her she now has amnesia. She joins forces with the resistance group the The Returns, which become the players main party. As the player progresses, it turns out there is a high ranking soldier of the Empire, Kefka, who is hungry for power. He is the prototypical soldier of magicite experiments. Kefka's mad rise to power is rife with mass murder, and finally culminates in him pushing the statues to destroy the world.

The story begins with a soldier of the evil Shinra. However, because of bizarre mako experiments done on him he now has amnesia. He joins forces with the resistance group AVALANCHE, which become the players main party. As the player progresses, it turns out there is a high ranking soldier of Shinra, Sephiroth, who is hungry for power. He is the prototypical soldier of mako experiments. Sephroth's mad rise to power is rife with mass murder, and finally culminates in him summoning meteor.

These are both poor descriptions of either game with factually incorrect elements and huge omissions. Some of the most important elements of the games are missing.

You might as well say FFVI plagaraized FFII.

Exactly, you are absolutely right!

I don't think the internet meme was designed to be taken literally, but as an example of characters and story elements being switched around no? I understood what you were getting at thoughArchvile_78.

Koi-Neon-X

Oh its alright, i don't mind admitting i was wrong and to me it was a simple friendly argue. :P

Though the "lack of general gaming knowledge" just because i used some sort of meme is a bit stretched but hey, s'all fine no harms done!

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

I don't think the internet meme was designed to be taken literally, but as an example of characters and story elements being switched around no? I understood what you were getting at thoughArchvile_78.

archvile_78

Oh its alright, i don't mind admitting i was wrong and to me it was a simple friendly argue. :P

Though the "lack of general gaming knowledge" just because i used some sort of meme is a bit stretched but hey, s'all fine no harms done!

Funny how you twist around and say it was all in fun but the internet meme was used in a condescending manner. The fact is that you realized you were wrong but now you trying to cover it up as if it was some sort of joke. If you use a meme as your evidence, it shows you have no idea what your talking about.

[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

I don't think the internet meme was designed to be taken literally, but as an example of characters and story elements being switched around no? I understood what you were getting at thoughArchvile_78.

TheTrueMagusX1

Oh its alright, i don't mind admitting i was wrong and to me it was a simple friendly argue. :P

Though the "lack of general gaming knowledge" just because i used some sort of meme is a bit stretched but hey, s'all fine no harms done!

Funny how you twist around and say it was all in fun but the internet meme was used in a condescending manner. The fact is that you realized you were wrong but now you trying to cover it up as if it was some sort of joke. If you use a meme as your evidence, it shows you have no idea what your talking about.

You know, I'm glad that you could agree with me but there's no reason to be this hostile.

[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

I don't think the internet meme was designed to be taken literally, but as an example of characters and story elements being switched around no? I understood what you were getting at thoughArchvile_78.

TheTrueMagusX1

Oh its alright, i don't mind admitting i was wrong and to me it was a simple friendly argue. :P

Though the "lack of general gaming knowledge" just because i used some sort of meme is a bit stretched but hey, s'all fine no harms done!

Funny how you twist around and say it was all in fun but the internet meme was used in a condescending manner. The fact is that you realized you were wrong but now you trying to cover it up as if it was some sort of joke. If you use a meme as your evidence, it shows you have no idea what your talking about.

Yeah i know i was wrong, and i don't care that i was, and it was fun to me while it lasted! Yeah, somebody on the internet that admit being wrong without being hostile about it, thats crazy i know!

You need to grow up and stop taking thing so seriously "kid"

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

Oh its alright, i don't mind admitting i was wrong and to me it was a simple friendly argue. :P

Though the "lack of general gaming knowledge" just because i used some sort of meme is a bit stretched but hey, s'all fine no harms done!

archvile_78

Funny how you twist around and say it was all in fun but the internet meme was used in a condescending manner. The fact is that you realized you were wrong but now you trying to cover it up as if it was some sort of joke. If you use a meme as your evidence, it shows you have no idea what your talking about.

Yeah i know i was wrong, and i don't care that i was, and it was fun to me while it lasted! Yeah, somebody on the internet that admit being wrong without being hostile about it, thats crazy i know!

You need to grow up and stop taking thing so seriously "kid"

Nope it shows you donot know what your talking about. I am hostiel because sadly gamers around here think they know things but they donot. Simple as that,.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

Oh its alright, i don't mind admitting i was wrong and to me it was a simple friendly argue. :P

Though the "lack of general gaming knowledge" just because i used some sort of meme is a bit stretched but hey, s'all fine no harms done!

hakanakumono

Funny how you twist around and say it was all in fun but the internet meme was used in a condescending manner. The fact is that you realized you were wrong but now you trying to cover it up as if it was some sort of joke. If you use a meme as your evidence, it shows you have no idea what your talking about.

You know, I'm glad that you could agree with me but there's no reason to be this hostile.

There is a need to be hostile, Look on these forums and you will understand.

Nope it shows you donot know what your talking about. I am hostiel because sadly gamers around here think they know things but they donot. Simple as that,.

TheTrueMagusX1

So admitting i was wrong and acting fine about it shows i do not know what i'm talking about...sure man whatever help you sleep at night.

Seeing you don't know the term "moving on" its useless to me to waste more time discussing with you, otherwise i'll just end up at the same level of maturity that you're showing.

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

Nope it shows you donot know what your talking about. I am hostiel because sadly gamers around here think they know things but they donot. Simple as that,.

archvile_78

So admitting i was wrong and acting fine about it shows i do not know what i'm talking about...sure man whatever help you sleep at night.

Seeing you don't know the term "moving on" its useless to me to waste more time discussing with you, otherwise i'll just end up at the same level of maturity that you're showing.

Kind of Ironic that you keep responding to me. You say you moved on but yet....

I'm reality although VII was trying to be new , innovating , and 3D it really wasn't until VIII came out which was the real new and improved version... VII was just the cheap transition from VI to VIII in terms of graphics, gameplay, and storyline, and charactersJuryau

That was kind of obvous it was going to happen with VIII in a graphical level. In terms of Gameplay they share the same battle system, though junction and Materia were quite different, but different in the sense that one is not better than the other nor an improvement. It was not cheap per se as it was the first time the developers were working with the technology. If you actually knew the developemental history, FFVII began as an SNES game, and it was about a detective and set in New York City. He was hunting a down a group of terrorists that blew up the city of Midgar. And yes that was the original plot synopsis for FFVII...infact, according to Soryau Song, Xenogears started as a story proposal for FFVII, that almost got accepted if not for the bleak nature of that story. It was that they were working with new technology, and this is not common with just FFVII. Look at Halo 3 and Reach, or Oblivion and the Upcoming Sky rim, both were had predecessors earlier in the Generation, but like FFVIII the developers got more familar with the technology thus they look better.

As far as Story goes,characters and story are not attained to the same rules as Graphics. I prefer FFVI story over FFVII, and FVIII, but I prefer FFVII story to FFVIIIs, and I prefer FFIX over FFVII and FFVIII story...But story is something that can be translated easier than graphics. FFVII in all honesty was a better looking JRPG than most other JRPGs, but its gameplay was not exactly innovative either. You tend to forget what really gave the game exposure, most people do forget this, and thats the Marketing Campaigin, thats why a lot more people palyed FFVII than your average JRPG, cause JRPGS donot normally get marketing campaigns like FVIIs, neither back than nor today. FFVII gameplay imo has aged fine, its graphic and translation not so much....

[QUOTE="Juryau"]I'm reality although VII was trying to be new , innovating , and 3D it really wasn't until VIII came out which was the real new and improved version... VII was just the cheap transition from VI to VIII in terms of graphics, gameplay, and storyline, and charactersTheTrueMagusX1

That was kind of obvous it was going to happen with VIII in a graphical level. In terms of Gameplay they share the same battle system, though junction and Materia were quite different, but different in the sense that one is not better than the other nor an improvement. It was not cheap per se as it was the first time the developers were working with the technology. If you actually knew the developemental history, FFVII began as an SNES game, and it was about a detective and set in New York City. He was hunting a down a group of terrorists that blew up the city of Midgar. And yes that was the original plot synopsis for FFVII...infact, according to Soryau Song, Xenogears started as a story proposal for FFVII, that almost got accepted if not for the bleak nature of that story. It was that they were working with new technology, and this is not common with just FFVII. Look at Halo 3 and Reach, or Oblivion and the Upcoming Sky rim, both were had predecessors earlier in the Generation, but like FFVIII the developers got more familar with the technology thus they look better.

As far as Story goes,characters and story are not attained to the same rules as Graphics. I prefer FFVI story over FFVII, and FVIII, but I prefer FFVII story to FFVIIIs, and I prefer FFIX over FFVII and FFVIII story...But story is something that can be translated easier than graphics. FFVII in all honesty was a better looking JRPG than most other JRPGs, but its gameplay was not exactly innovative either. You tend to forget what really gave the game exposure, most people do forget this, and thats the Marketing Campaigin, thats why a lot more people palyed FFVII than your average JRPG, cause JRPGS donot normally get marketing campaigns like FVIIs, neither back than nor today. FFVII gameplay imo has aged fine, its graphic and translation not so much....

I do remember that Final Fantasy VII was going to be onthe SNES then was slated to be on the N64 as well. It's interesting to think about what could have been. I'm definitely not too knowledgeable when it comes toa system's capabilities, but would it have been possible for Final Fantasy VII to be on the Nintendo Gamecube? asfar as Final Fantasy IIIis concerned there are definitely certain aspects of that story thatlike. The Opera House segment of the game alone is probably on the best in Final Fantasy series history. It..is..BEAUTIFUL!:)

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Juryau"]I'm reality although VII was trying to be new , innovating , and 3D it really wasn't until VIII came out which was the real new and improved version... VII was just the cheap transition from VI to VIII in terms of graphics, gameplay, and storyline, and charactersKoi-Neon-X

That was kind of obvous it was going to happen with VIII in a graphical level. In terms of Gameplay they share the same battle system, though junction and Materia were quite different, but different in the sense that one is not better than the other nor an improvement. It was not cheap per se as it was the first time the developers were working with the technology. If you actually knew the developemental history, FFVII began as an SNES game, and it was about a detective and set in New York City. He was hunting a down a group of terrorists that blew up the city of Midgar. And yes that was the original plot synopsis for FFVII...infact, according to Soryau Song, Xenogears started as a story proposal for FFVII, that almost got accepted if not for the bleak nature of that story. It was that they were working with new technology, and this is not common with just FFVII. Look at Halo 3 and Reach, or Oblivion and the Upcoming Sky rim, both were had predecessors earlier in the Generation, but like FFVIII the developers got more familar with the technology thus they look better.

As far as Story goes,characters and story are not attained to the same rules as Graphics. I prefer FFVI story over FFVII, and FVIII, but I prefer FFVII story to FFVIIIs, and I prefer FFIX over FFVII and FFVIII story...But story is something that can be translated easier than graphics. FFVII in all honesty was a better looking JRPG than most other JRPGs, but its gameplay was not exactly innovative either. You tend to forget what really gave the game exposure, most people do forget this, and thats the Marketing Campaigin, thats why a lot more people palyed FFVII than your average JRPG, cause JRPGS donot normally get marketing campaigns like FVIIs, neither back than nor today. FFVII gameplay imo has aged fine, its graphic and translation not so much....

I do remember that Final Fantasy VII was going to be onthe SNES then was slated to be on the N64 as well. It's interesting to think about what could have been. I'm definitely not too knowledgeable when it comes toa system's capabilities, but would it have been possible for Final Fantasy VII to be on the Nintendo Gamecube? asfar as Final Fantasy IIIis concerned there are definitely certain aspects of that story thatlike. The Opera House segment of the game alone is probably on the best in Final Fantasy series history. It..is..BEAUTIFUL!:)

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

That was kind of obvous it was going to happen with VIII in a graphical level. In terms of Gameplay they share the same battle system, though junction and Materia were quite different, but different in the sense that one is not better than the other nor an improvement. It was not cheap per se as it was the first time the developers were working with the technology. If you actually knew the developemental history, FFVII began as an SNES game, and it was about a detective and set in New York City. He was hunting a down a group of terrorists that blew up the city of Midgar. And yes that was the original plot synopsis for FFVII...infact, according to Soryau Song, Xenogears started as a story proposal for FFVII, that almost got accepted if not for the bleak nature of that story. It was that they were working with new technology, and this is not common with just FFVII. Look at Halo 3 and Reach, or Oblivion and the Upcoming Sky rim, both were had predecessors earlier in the Generation, but like FFVIII the developers got more familar with the technology thus they look better.

As far as Story goes,characters and story are not attained to the same rules as Graphics. I prefer FFVI story over FFVII, and FVIII, but I prefer FFVII story to FFVIIIs, and I prefer FFIX over FFVII and FFVIII story...But story is something that can be translated easier than graphics. FFVII in all honesty was a better looking JRPG than most other JRPGs, but its gameplay was not exactly innovative either. You tend to forget what really gave the game exposure, most people do forget this, and thats the Marketing Campaigin, thats why a lot more people palyed FFVII than your average JRPG, cause JRPGS donot normally get marketing campaigns like FVIIs, neither back than nor today. FFVII gameplay imo has aged fine, its graphic and translation not so much....

Darkman2007

I do remember that Final Fantasy VII was going to be onthe SNES then was slated to be on the N64 as well. It's interesting to think about what could have been. I'm definitely not too knowledgeable when it comes toa system's capabilities, but would it have been possible for Final Fantasy VII to be on the Nintendo Gamecube? asfar as Final Fantasy IIIis concerned there are definitely certain aspects of that story thatlike. The Opera House segment of the game alone is probably on the best in Final Fantasy series history. It..is..BEAUTIFUL!:)

I think I was looking at it from a hardware standpoint and can't help but thinking that the PS3 version of Final Fantasy XIII came on one disc while the XBOX 360 version came out with three discs so I was just wondering if the PS1 and Gamecube wouldbe the same amount of discs, how it would it turn out from a hardware standpoint (just because two or three systems havethe capabilities to run agame doesn't mean the experience will be the same as one may look better than the other or maybe have extra content the other doesn't have for example)

I also thinking about the Nintendo and Sony collaboration system where it could play CD as well as cartridge....what might have been

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

I do remember that Final Fantasy VII was going to be onthe SNES then was slated to be on the N64 as well. It's interesting to think about what could have been. I'm definitely not too knowledgeable when it comes toa system's capabilities, but would it have been possible for Final Fantasy VII to be on the Nintendo Gamecube? asfar as Final Fantasy IIIis concerned there are definitely certain aspects of that story thatlike. The Opera House segment of the game alone is probably on the best in Final Fantasy series history. It..is..BEAUTIFUL!:)

Koi-Neon-X

I think I was looking at it from a hardware standpoint and can't help but thinking that the PS3 version of Final Fantasy XIII came on one disc while the XBOX 360 version came out with three discs so I was just wondering if the PS1 and Gamecube wouldbe the same amount of discs, how it would it turn out from a hardware standpoint (just because two or three systems havethe capabilities to run agame doesn't mean the experience will be the same as one may look better than the other or maybe have extra content the other doesn't have for example)

I also thinking about the Nintendo and Sony collaboration system where it could play CD as well as cartridge....what might have been

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] what do you mean can FF7 be possible on the gamecube? thats like asking if Super Mario Bros would be capable on the SNES. unless you mean the N64 in which case, of course, the N64 is technically the most capable 3D machine in its generation , only 2 issues it has is with textures and the cartirdge format limiting it, as well as a lack of a sound chip. frankly I would be more interested to see FF7 on the Saturn , I would be interested to see what Uematsu could do with the Saturn sound chip (which is the most capable that generation by a considerable margain)Darkman2007

I think I was looking at it from a hardware standpoint and can't help but thinking that the PS3 version of Final Fantasy XIII came on one disc while the XBOX 360 version came out with three discs so I was just wondering if the PS1 and Gamecube wouldbe the same amount of discs, how it would it turn out from a hardware standpoint (just because two or three systems havethe capabilities to run agame doesn't mean the experience will be the same as one may look better than the other or maybe have extra content the other doesn't have for example)

I also thinking about the Nintendo and Sony collaboration system where it could play CD as well as cartridge....what might have been

Oh,okay!:) thank you for the explanation. Gamecube is another system I didn't get. It was all about the PS2!;) still, there are a lot of games on the Gamecube I'd like to play too.

I don't think VII could gave possibly been on the N54 since square broke away from Nintendo after they made super Mario rpgJuryau

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="Juryau"]I'm reality although VII was trying to be new , innovating , and 3D it really wasn't until VIII came out which was the real new and improved version... VII was just the cheap transition from VI to VIII in terms of graphics, gameplay, and storyline, and charactersKoi-Neon-X

That was kind of obvous it was going to happen with VIII in a graphical level. In terms of Gameplay they share the same battle system, though junction and Materia were quite different, but different in the sense that one is not better than the other nor an improvement. It was not cheap per se as it was the first time the developers were working with the technology. If you actually knew the developemental history, FFVII began as an SNES game, and it was about a detective and set in New York City. He was hunting a down a group of terrorists that blew up the city of Midgar. And yes that was the original plot synopsis for FFVII...infact, according to Soryau Song, Xenogears started as a story proposal for FFVII, that almost got accepted if not for the bleak nature of that story. It was that they were working with new technology, and this is not common with just FFVII. Look at Halo 3 and Reach, or Oblivion and the Upcoming Sky rim, both were had predecessors earlier in the Generation, but like FFVIII the developers got more familar with the technology thus they look better.

As far as Story goes,characters and story are not attained to the same rules as Graphics. I prefer FFVI story over FFVII, and FVIII, but I prefer FFVII story to FFVIIIs, and I prefer FFIX over FFVII and FFVIII story...But story is something that can be translated easier than graphics. FFVII in all honesty was a better looking JRPG than most other JRPGs, but its gameplay was not exactly innovative either. You tend to forget what really gave the game exposure, most people do forget this, and thats the Marketing Campaigin, thats why a lot more people palyed FFVII than your average JRPG, cause JRPGS donot normally get marketing campaigns like FVIIs, neither back than nor today. FFVII gameplay imo has aged fine, its graphic and translation not so much....

I do remember that Final Fantasy VII was going to be onthe SNES then was slated to be on the N64 as well. It's interesting to think about what could have been. I'm definitely not too knowledgeable when it comes toa system's capabilities, but would it have been possible for Final Fantasy VII to be on the Nintendo Gamecube? asfar as Final Fantasy IIIis concerned there are definitely certain aspects of that story thatlike. The Opera House segment of the game alone is probably on the best in Final Fantasy series history. It..is..BEAUTIFUL!:)

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

That was kind of obvous it was going to happen with VIII in a graphical level. In terms of Gameplay they share the same battle system, though junction and Materia were quite different, but different in the sense that one is not better than the other nor an improvement. It was not cheap per se as it was the first time the developers were working with the technology. If you actually knew the developemental history, FFVII began as an SNES game, and it was about a detective and set in New York City. He was hunting a down a group of terrorists that blew up the city of Midgar. And yes that was the original plot synopsis for FFVII...infact, according to Soryau Song, Xenogears started as a story proposal for FFVII, that almost got accepted if not for the bleak nature of that story. It was that they were working with new technology, and this is not common with just FFVII. Look at Halo 3 and Reach, or Oblivion and the Upcoming Sky rim, both were had predecessors earlier in the Generation, but like FFVIII the developers got more familar with the technology thus they look better.

As far as Story goes,characters and story are not attained to the same rules as Graphics. I prefer FFVI story over FFVII, and FVIII, but I prefer FFVII story to FFVIIIs, and I prefer FFIX over FFVII and FFVIII story...But story is something that can be translated easier than graphics. FFVII in all honesty was a better looking JRPG than most other JRPGs, but its gameplay was not exactly innovative either. You tend to forget what really gave the game exposure, most people do forget this, and thats the Marketing Campaigin, thats why a lot more people palyed FFVII than your average JRPG, cause JRPGS donot normally get marketing campaigns like FVIIs, neither back than nor today. FFVII gameplay imo has aged fine, its graphic and translation not so much....

jakandsig

I do remember that Final Fantasy VII was going to be onthe SNES then was slated to be on the N64 as well. It's interesting to think about what could have been. I'm definitely not too knowledgeable when it comes toa system's capabilities, but would it have been possible for Final Fantasy VII to be on the Nintendo Gamecube? asfar as Final Fantasy IIIis concerned there are definitely certain aspects of that story thatlike. The Opera House segment of the game alone is probably on the best in Final Fantasy series history. It..is..BEAUTIFUL!:)

If you knew what you were talking about FFVII for N64 was scrapped due to space limitations, not graphical limitations. Also FFVII sold again I have to repeat this, the huge Marketing Campaign that Sony put up for the game. And remember FFVII was planned as a SNES Game first, than the Silcon test video was ran and than the announcement for the game for the PSX!

[QUOTE="jakandsig"][QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

I do remember that Final Fantasy VII was going to be onthe SNES then was slated to be on the N64 as well. It's interesting to think about what could have been. I'm definitely not too knowledgeable when it comes toa system's capabilities, but would it have been possible for Final Fantasy VII to be on the Nintendo Gamecube? asfar as Final Fantasy IIIis concerned there are definitely certain aspects of that story thatlike. The Opera House segment of the game alone is probably on the best in Final Fantasy series history. It..is..BEAUTIFUL!:)

TheTrueMagusX1

If you knew what you were talking about FFVII for N64 was scrapped due to space limitations, not graphical limitations. Also FFVII sold again I have to repeat this, the huge Marketing Campaign that Sony put up for the game. And remember FFVII was planned as a SNES Game first, than the Silcon test video was ran and than the announcement for the game for the PSX!

[QUOTE="TheTrueMagusX1"]

[QUOTE="jakandsig"] FFVII on N64 was scrapped for good reason. Would anyone buy FFVII if it looked like Quest 64?jakandsig

If you knew what you were talking about FFVII for N64 was scrapped due to space limitations, not graphical limitations. Also FFVII sold again I have to repeat this, the huge Marketing Campaign that Sony put up for the game. And remember FFVII was planned as a SNES Game first, than the Silcon test video was ran and than the announcement for the game for the PSX!

I think the game would have full 3D environments, Nintendo would not have supported, but saying the game would look bad for its time is false. I think it would of looked more like Ocarina or Majoras Mask. Also add to the fact that Nintedno would not have hyped the game as much as Sony Did, Nintendo can sometimes play it too safe and would not have marketed it. Marketing FFVII in the first place was a huge risk to say the least.

just like mother 3, the N64 might have been able to pull off VII but many more restrictions would have come up so i think ps1 was ok

just like mother 3, the N64 might have been able to pull off VII but many more restrictions would have come up so i think ps1 was ok

Juryau

lol,what restrictions? lack of FMVs due to the cartirdge size? thats about it , its not like the game had many textures anyways, and all of the background with the exception of the world map are simple 2D pictures which don't tax the system at all, the N64 would easily run the game.

where did that idea that the PS1 was more capable then the other consoles that gen come up??? other then Sony marketing I can't think of any.

ok then

the only other thing which might be compromised is the music.

while the music in all the PS FF games is generated by the sound chip, thats not possibe on N64 since it has no sound chip.

instead, they would have to get the CPU to run the music, which would depend on how good a sound driver they can make and how they balance the performace/music ratio