Kojima wants MGS 5 characters to be 'more erotic' to encourage cosplay

I don't know.(Sarcasticly) maybe you need to play the game to understand that(you know metal gear is heavy on story and themes). One thing you need to do is not jump to conclusions, that's the biggest problem with people in this country. They want something to blame, and they just jump to conclusions, Why I don't know maybe they have fun ruinning other peoples fun.t1striker

[QUOTE="t1striker"]I don't know.(Sarcasticly) maybe you need to play the game to understand that(you know metal gear is heavy on story and themes). One thing you need to do is not jump to conclusions, that's the biggest problem with people in this country. They want something to blame, and they just jump to conclusions, Why I don't know maybe they have fun ruinning other peoples fun.Black_Knight_00

You know I don't think it really matters. imo the guy can create whatever he wants I wouldn't mind(it wouldn't make sense though lol) if everybody was walking around naked in the game Kojima gets the benefit of the doubt. He is one of the best developers out there and people going against him(even though I think he likes it and is probably having a ball) could end up bringing us a less creative ideas and as a result a worse experience. This political correctness world is getting ridiculous a person should be able to make anything they want. Thankfully I don't think Kojima gives a rat *** what anybody says when it comes to his games anymore. He knows better than we do.

The thing is it looks like they gave the design to a 12 year old and said you can do anything, just not complete nudity.  Seriously, how in the world could that outfit be practical in any combat situation?  I always thought MGS was kind of over-the-top, but this is just kind of ridiculous, I guess they don't know a character can be "sexy" without being naked.

[QUOTE="t1striker"]I don't know.(Sarcasticly) maybe you need to play the game to understand that(you know metal gear is heavy on story and themes). One thing you need to do is not jump to conclusions, that's the biggest problem with people in this country. They want something to blame, and they just jump to conclusions, Why I don't know maybe they have fun ruinning other peoples fun.Black_Knight_00

You know I don't think it really matters. imo the guy can create whatever he wants I wouldn't mind(it wouldn't make sense though lol) if everybody was walking around naked in the game Kojima gets the benefit of the doubt. He is one of the best developers out there and people going against him(even though I think he likes it and is probably having a ball) could end up bringing us a less creative ideas and as a result a worse experience. This political correctness world is getting ridiculous a person should be able to make anything they want. Thankfully I don't think Kojima gives a rat *** what anybody says when it comes to his games anymore. He knows better than we do.t1striker

You know I think this is really all that needs to be said and it's from the mans mouth himself.

Kojima says the story touches themisunderstanding, prejudice, hatred, conflict caused by the difference of language, race, custom, culture, and preference.  The response of Quiet disclosure few days ago incited by the net is exactly what MGSV itself is.  The misunderstanding was the whole point of revealing Quiets costume, just like saying that the characters were designed to be erotic in the first place!  A misunderstanding in the translation that sparks hatred.  Well played, sir!

Well played Kojima. He loves messing with people.

[QUOTE="t1striker"]You know I don't think it really matters. imo the guy can create whatever he wants I wouldn't mind(it wouldn't make sense though lol) if everybody was walking around naked in the game Kojima gets the benefit of the doubt. He is one of the best developers out there and people going against him(even though I think he likes it and is probably having a ball) could end up bringing us a less creative ideas and as a result a worse experience. This political correctness world is getting ridiculous a person should be able to make anything they want. Thankfully I don't think Kojima gives a rat *** what anybody says when it comes to his games anymore. He knows better than we do.Black_Knight_00

Don't remember much of a problem with mgs3 I'm guessing your talking about Eva and she has a very good reason for doing that first of all she is suppose to seduce Snake, and pushing the r1 button during this scene if you think about it just helps show that its kinda working on him. Guess what in the end she did and competed her mission.

MGS4 I can agree with you on. but if you think about it wearing those tight outfits might have something to do with the tight cramped area the beasts were in. It may actually make a little sense.

Peace Walker. I don't see nothing wrong with it besides allowing you to chase paz around which was kinda wierd. Also they don't just have the girls wear their underwear in this game they also allowed Kaz also.

Also I can go outside right now and see a girl in her bikini.

So he's playing the mistranslation card again? What is it, the 98th time this month? Maybe if he learned 4 words of english he could tweet in for everyone to read.Black_Knight_00

Actually if you read it the mistranslation was on purpose he is messing with people. You know Kojima never messes with people, never in a million years.

I've been following Kojima for over a year and I don't recall all these time he's had pulled the mistranslation card.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]So he's playing the mistranslation card again? What is it, the 98th time this month? Maybe if he learned 4 words of english he could tweet in for everyone to read.t1striker

Actually if you read it the mistranslation was on purpose he is messing with people. You know Kojima never messes with people, never in a million years.

I've been following Kojima for over a year and I don't recall all these time he's had pulled the mistranslation card.

EDIT: I remembered one instance: he said he was looking for a developer for a MGS1 remake, but then came up with "it was a translation error"

Like you said, he's f*cking with us. Can't blame him, really.

Yep, your right the main stream markets caters to what is the prominent sexual preferences, and why are you surprised or think thats a bad thing? if you are one of the few who cant fit into this box there is plenty of movies, series, books, magazines for your choice, in fact the people who should be mad is the hetrosexual population because if you look at main-stream media there is quite a few "minority" groups represented way more than they should be. And yes i said games are meant to be fun for me since i am male, between 18-42, have a decent education and make more than avg. so i am in the most wanted target group. And i have no interest in what the game character sexuality is, gay, straight, bi who gives a **** its a game and all that matters is the gameplay.

Jacanuk

Spoken like a true bigot.

[QUOTE="Jacanuk"]

Yep, your right the main stream markets caters to what is the prominent sexual preferences, and why are you surprised or think thats a bad thing? if you are one of the few who cant fit into this box there is plenty of movies, series, books, magazines for your choice, in fact the people who should be mad is the hetrosexual population because if you look at main-stream media there is quite a few "minority" groups represented way more than they should be. And yes i said games are meant to be fun for me since i am male, between 18-42, have a decent education and make more than avg. so i am in the most wanted target group. And i have no interest in what the game character sexuality is, gay, straight, bi who gives a **** its a game and all that matters is the gameplay.

capaho

Spoken like a true bigot.

[QUOTE="t1striker"]

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"]So he's playing the mistranslation card again? What is it, the 98th time this month? Maybe if he learned 4 words of english he could tweet in for everyone to read.Black_Knight_00

Actually if you read it the mistranslation was on purpose he is messing with people. You know Kojima never messes with people, never in a million years.

I've been following Kojima for over a year and I don't recall all these time he's had pulled the mistranslation card.

EDIT: I remembered one instance: he said he was looking for a developer for a MGS1 remake, but then came up with "it was a translation error"

Like you said, he's f*cking with us. Can't blame him, really.

[QUOTE="capaho"]

[QUOTE="Jacanuk"]

Yep, your right the main stream markets caters to what is the prominent sexual preferences, and why are you surprised or think thats a bad thing? if you are one of the few who cant fit into this box there is plenty of movies, series, books, magazines for your choice, in fact the people who should be mad is the hetrosexual population because if you look at main-stream media there is quite a few "minority" groups represented way more than they should be. And yes i said games are meant to be fun for me since i am male, between 18-42, have a decent education and make more than avg. so i am in the most wanted target group. And i have no interest in what the game character sexuality is, gay, straight, bi who gives a **** its a game and all that matters is the gameplay.

Jacanuk

Spoken like a true bigot.

What debate?  You are saying that minorities deserve to be discrimated against simply because we are not in the majority.  All you've done is provide an excellent example of the kind of daily indignities we have to endure as the result of the ignorance of people like you.  You think you're making your case, but you're actually demonstrating precisely what the fundamental problem is.

What debate?  You are saying that minorities deserve to be discrimated against simply because we are not in the majority.  All you've done is provide an excellent example of the kind of daily indignities we have to endure as the result of the ignorance of people like you.  You think you're making your case, but you're actually demonstrating precisely what the fundamental problem is.

capaho

[QUOTE="capaho"]

What debate?  You are saying that minorities deserve to be discrimated against simply because we are not in the majority.  All you've done is provide an excellent example of the kind of daily indignities we have to endure as the result of the ignorance of people like you.  You think you're making your case, but you're actually demonstrating precisely what the fundamental problem is.

Jacanuk

Once again, all you've done is demonstrate your ignorance and insensitivity.

Yep, your right the main stream markets caters to what is the prominent sexual preferences, and why are you surprised or think thats a bad thing? if you are one of the few who cant fit into this box there is plenty of movies, series, books, magazines for your choice, in fact the people who should be mad is the hetrosexual population because if you look at main-stream media there is quite a few "minority" groups represented way more than they should be. And yes i said games are meant to be fun for me since i am male, between 18-42, have a decent education and make more than avg. so i am in the most wanted target group. And i have no interest in what the game character sexuality is, gay, straight, bi who gives a **** its a game and all that matters is the gameplay.

Jacanuk

You're a bigot.

[QUOTE="Jacanuk"]Yep, your right the main stream markets caters to what is the prominent sexual preferences, and why are you surprised or think thats a bad thing? if you are one of the few who cant fit into this box there is plenty of movies, series, books, magazines for your choice, in fact the people who should be mad is the hetrosexual population because if you look at main-stream media there is quite a few "minority" groups represented way more than they should be. And yes i said games are meant to be fun for me since i am male, between 18-42, have a decent education and make more than avg. so i am in the most wanted target group. And i have no interest in what the game character sexuality is, gay, straight, bi who gives a **** its a game and all that matters is the gameplay.

Pffrbt

You're a bigot.

Particularly ironic considering he uses an image from the Fallout series for his avatar.  In Fallout: New Vegas, if you choose the Confirmed Bachelor perk, it changes your character's sexual orientation to gay, which changes the nature of the conversations you have with some of the other male characters in the game.  I wonder if he is aware of that?

[QUOTE="Jacanuk"][QUOTE="capaho"]

What debate?  You are saying that minorities deserve to be discrimated against simply because we are not in the majority.  All you've done is provide an excellent example of the kind of daily indignities we have to endure as the result of the ignorance of people like you.  You think you're making your case, but you're actually demonstrating precisely what the fundamental problem is.

capaho

Once again, all you've done is demonstrate your ignorance and insensitivity.

[QUOTE="Jacanuk"]Yep, your right the main stream markets caters to what is the prominent sexual preferences, and why are you surprised or think thats a bad thing? if you are one of the few who cant fit into this box there is plenty of movies, series, books, magazines for your choice, in fact the people who should be mad is the hetrosexual population because if you look at main-stream media there is quite a few "minority" groups represented way more than they should be. And yes i said games are meant to be fun for me since i am male, between 18-42, have a decent education and make more than avg. so i am in the most wanted target group. And i have no interest in what the game character sexuality is, gay, straight, bi who gives a **** its a game and all that matters is the gameplay.

Pffrbt

You're a bigot.

Particularly ironic considering he uses an image from the Fallout series for his avatar.  In Fallout: New Vegas, if you choose the Confirmed Bachelor perk, it changes your character's sexual orientation to gay, which changes the nature of the conversations you have with some of the other male characters in the game.  I wonder if he is aware of that?

capaho

And? 

Also in MassEffect and Saints row IV you can have "sex" with your own chosen gender... 

[QUOTE="capaho"]

[QUOTE="Jacanuk"] Try to read what it says and not what you think it says. Because i never said anything remotely close to that minorities deserve to be discriminated against, but nice derailment of a debate. But thank you for showing me why some groups should be hit on the head with a week old danish a few hundred times, because actually its the group you claim to be a part of that needs to relax and not take everything so personal. And also stop making everything about the fact that you have a lifechoice/style that is deviant from the norm. Jacanuk

Once again, all you've done is demonstrate your ignorance and insensitivity.

What debate?  There is nothing to debate.

[QUOTE="Jacanuk"][QUOTE="capaho"]

Once again, all you've done is demonstrate your ignorance and insensitivity.

capaho

What debate?  There is nothing to debate.

Your right because all you want to do is run around and feel justified in your anger towards gaming for not making you feel good about yourself and your lifestyle. And then call other people bigots for not seeing it like you do.Jacanuk

I wouldn't mind about the "making them more sexy part", but what infuriates me, as a Cosplayer myself is the "to encourage cosplay" part.

Is he, as much respect as I have for him for the so far great MGS Franchise and Storyline, really one of those idiots who think Cosplay is only Cosplay when it's sexy or the boobs of the girls jump out of the dresses?

We have enough of that on conventions already and if it goes with the character, just fine, but caterin to it like that and then even making a statement that almost says cosplay needs to be like that really wants to make me give Kojima a slap to the face.

I wouldn't mind about the "making them more sexy part", but what infuriates me, as a Cosplayer myself is the "to encourage cosplay" part.

Is he, as much respect as I have for him for the so far great MGS Franchise and Storyline, really one of those idiots who think Cosplay is only Cosplay when it's sexy or the boobs of the girls jump out of the dresses?

We have enough of that on conventions already and if it goes with the cand haracter, just fine, but caterin to it like that and then even making a statement that almost says cosplay needs to be like that really wants to make me give Kojima a slap to the face.

Justforvisit

Cosplay is very popular in Japan at present, and in Japan's sexist culture, such costumes are extremely popular.  Hopefully, Kojima's obsession with cosplay won't torpedo MGS.

[QUOTE="Jacanuk"]Your right because all you want to do is run around and feel justified in your anger towards gaming for not making you feel good about yourself and your lifestyle. And then call other people bigots for not seeing it like you do.capaho

You need to stop using all those strawmen. Also a bigot is not someone who doesn't understand another person. The only thing i have said and a point you seem to miss is that i dont agree with your views and that considering the amount , its insane the amount of "PC" some minorities demand or want.Jacanuk

You just don't get it.  Every time you make a comment like that, it just reinforces your image as a bigot.  It isn't about, "PC," it's about equality, a fundamental principal of the US Constitution.  You have already stated in your previous comments that discriminating against minorities is justified simply because we are not in the majority.  That sentiment pretty much defines you as a bigot.  You also keep making references to being gay as a matter of lifestyle choice.  Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle choice.  Only anti-gay religious zealots promote that insensitive lie.

[QUOTE="Jacanuk"]You need to stop using all those strawmen. Also a bigot is not someone who doesn't understand another person. The only thing i have said and a point you seem to miss is that i dont agree with your views and that considering the amount , its insane the amount of "PC" some minorities demand or want.capaho

You just don't get it.  Every time you make a comment like that, it just reinforces your image as a bigot.  It isn't about, "PC," it's about equality, a fundamental principal of the US Constitution.  You have already stated in your previous comments that discriminating against minorities is justified simply because we are not in the majority.  That sentiment pretty much defines you as a bigot.  You also keep making references to being gay as a matter of lifestyle choice.  Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle choice.  Only anti-gay religious zealots promote that insensitive lie.

I do not think the United States Constitution states that all men should receive equal representation in the private market. To clarify, an example of what that would be is claiming a video game including sexual topics should include all sexual orientations. If there is an argument that can be made about what you are saying with the United States Constitution as the foundation, I would like to read about it.BranKetra

That is not what I was saying in my previous comment.  I was referring to his "PC" remark, which trivializes the issue of discrimination against minorities.  It's a very real problem that causes very real suffering.  As a gay gamer, I am beyond fed up with the sexism and heterosexism that characterizes 99% of games.  I suppose the reason why game developers don't try to present a more realistic representation of humanity in their character design is that they don't want to run afoul of that selfish, sexist, bigoted, insensitive but profitable target demographic.

[QUOTE="Jacanuk"]You need to stop using all those strawmen. Also a bigot is not someone who doesn't understand another person. The only thing i have said and a point you seem to miss is that i dont agree with your views and that considering the amount , its insane the amount of "PC" some minorities demand or want.capaho

You just don't get it.  Every time you make a comment like that, it just reinforces your image as a bigot.  It isn't about, "PC," it's about equality, a fundamental principal of the US Constitution.  You have already stated in your previous comments that discriminating against minorities is justified simply because we are not in the majority.  That sentiment pretty much defines you as a bigot.  You also keep making references to being gay as a matter of lifestyle choice.  Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle choice.  Only anti-gay religious zealots promote that insensitive lie.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I do not think the United States Constitution states that all men should receive equal representation in the private market. To clarify, an example of what that would be is claiming a video game including sexual topics should include all sexual orientations. If there is an argument that can be made about what you are saying with the United States Constitution as the foundation, I would like to read about it.capaho

That is not what I was saying in my previous comment.  I was referring to his "PC" remark, which trivializes the issue of discrimination against minorities.  It's a very real problem that causes very real suffering.  As a gay gamer, I am beyond fed up with the sexism and heterosexism that characterizes 99% of games.  I suppose the reason why game developers don't try to present a more realistic representation of humanity in their character design is that they don't want to run afoul of that selfish, sexist, bigoted, insensitive but profitable target demographic.

One thing that is becoming crystal clear is that you have no clue what a bigot is, i suggest you go read up on it. Also you clearly have misunderstood the "All Men are created Equal, because it does not mean that all sexualities are created equal and should be represented equal. You claiming it to be so is completely ludicrous and tell me that your either very young or just came out of the closet and have not yet come to terms with your own lifestyle and are angry as ...... because you are insecure and feel that your choice is as normal as everyone elses Because your misinterpretation of the American constitution just makes you look bad. But to humour your idea a bit, if all sexualities should be represented, why is it that we dont see animallove? hardcore petting, adult babies or any of the countless things people love to do in their sexlife? Anyways back to the main topic, yes it is Political correctness that forces companies and media to included minorities because a lot of times if you do a cost-benefit analysis of the implementations , it usually doesn't make much sense and end up costing a company more. Jacanuk

What discrimination is it you talk about? because not including gay characters in games or making sexuality a topic in a game, doesn't mean the game dev are discriminating against a minority group. What your saying is almost as strange as someone elses post on this forum, where they claimed that Rockstar deliberately chose not to have a female main character in GTA V and that was discrimination against females. Discrimination would be if they had a choice of 2 equal men and chose the hetro just because he was hetro.Jacanuk

You are hopelessly clueless.

[QUOTE="Jacanuk"] One thing that is becoming crystal clear is that you have no clue what a bigot is, i suggest you go read up on it. Also you clearly have misunderstood the "All Men are created Equal, because it does not mean that all sexualities are created equal and should be represented equal. You claiming it to be so is completely ludicrous and tell me that your either very young or just came out of the closet and have not yet come to terms with your own lifestyle and are angry as ...... because you are insecure and feel that your choice is as normal as everyone elses Because your misinterpretation of the American constitution just makes you look bad. But to humour your idea a bit, if all sexualities should be represented, why is it that we dont see animallove? hardcore petting, adult babies or any of the countless things people love to do in their sexlife? Anyways back to the main topic, yes it is Political correctness that forces companies and media to included minorities because a lot of times if you do a cost-benefit analysis of the implementations , it usually doesn't make much sense and end up costing a company more. capaho

What discrimination is it you talk about? because not including gay characters in games or making sexuality a topic in a game, doesn't mean the game dev are discriminating against a minority group. What your saying is almost as strange as someone elses post on this forum, where they claimed that Rockstar deliberately chose not to have a female main character in GTA V and that was discrimination against females. Discrimination would be if they had a choice of 2 equal men and chose the hetro just because he was hetro.Jacanuk

You are hopelessly clueless.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I do not think the United States Constitution states that all men should receive equal representation in the private market. To clarify, an example of what that would be is claiming a video game including sexual topics should include all sexual orientations. If there is an argument that can be made about what you are saying with the United States Constitution as the foundation, I would like to read about it.capaho

That is not what I was saying in my previous comment.  I was referring to his "PC" remark, which trivializes the issue of discrimination against minorities.  It's a very real problem that causes very real suffering.  As a gay gamer, I am beyond fed up with the sexism and heterosexism that characterizes 99% of games.  I suppose the reason why game developers don't try to present a more realistic representation of humanity in their character design is that they don't want to run afoul of that selfish, sexist, bigoted, insensitive but profitable target demographic.

Okay

Thanks for clarifying.

I can say with absolute confidence that discrimination does occur in the United States in many ways because I have lived here my entire life and I do my research. I have also researched modern Japan and it has positive qualities. It also has its own forms of discrimination. The video game industries of both countries do discriminate, too, because they target demographics that probably will buy their products. I do not think it is always meant to be derogatory which is something I think you are emphasizing in this thread. It might be sometimes, but not all the time.

Game franchises that progress with new content that is like previous games can be noted to be going after the same target audiences if they make a sequel like the previous entry. In the case of Metal Gear Solid, there is (among other things) a Snake, a Metal Gear, and somewhat women with sex appeal. Homosexuality has not really been spotlighted in the series up to this point, so I do not expect it to. The traits of MGS I mentioned have been, so I do expect them to continue to be. I do not know why anyone would.

Another thing about Metal Gear Solid to take note of is Hideo Kojima's wish to end the series before MGS5 entered development. He publicly stated he intended to end with 4. He works for Konami and his superiors most likely plan for his team to continue to make games that earn them money. MGS is a successful series for them, so he will probably keep making those games.

Okay

Thanks for clarifying.

I can say with absolute confidence that discrimination does occur in the United States in many ways because I have lived here my entire life and I do my research. I have also researched modern Japan and it has positive qualities. It also has its own forms of discrimination. The video game industries of both countries do discriminate, too, because they target demographics that probably will buy their products. I do not think it is always meant to be derogatory which is something I think you are emphasizing in this thread. It might be sometimes, but not all the time.

Game franchises that progress with new content that is like previous games can be noted to be going after the same target audiences if they make a sequel like the previous entry. In the case of Metal Gear Solid, there is (among other things) a Snake, a Metal Gear, and somewhat women with sex appeal. Homosexuality has not really been spotlighted in the series up to this point, so I do not expect it to. The traits of MGS I mentioned have been, so I do expect them to continue to be. I do not know why anyone would.

Another thing about Metal Gear Solid to take note of is Hideo Kojima's wish to end the series before MGS5 entered development. He publicly stated he intended to end with 4. He works for Konami and his superiors most likely plan for his team to continue to make games that earn them money. MGS is a successful series for them, so he will probably keep making those games.

BranKetra

Actually, MGS is one of the better series, IMHO.  Both male and female characters are sexualized and, although there is no overt homosexuality in MGS, there is a definite undercurrent of homoeroticism in the interactions between some of the male characters.  My reaction to the images posted here were more out of concern that MGS 5 was going to resort to the same kind of unimaginative silliness that draws in the target demographic.  The lack of alternatives to the stereotypical sleaziness of oversexualized female characters is well beyond tiresome.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

Okay

Thanks for clarifying.

I can say with absolute confidence that discrimination does occur in the United States in many ways because I have lived here my entire life and I do my research. I have also researched modern Japan and it has positive qualities. It also has its own forms of discrimination. The video game industries of both countries do discriminate, too, because they target demographics that probably will buy their products. I do not think it is always meant to be derogatory which is something I think you are emphasizing in this thread. It might be sometimes, but not all the time.

Game franchises that progress with new content that is like previous games can be noted to be going after the same target audiences if they make a sequel like the previous entry. In the case of Metal Gear Solid, there is (among other things) a Snake, a Metal Gear, and somewhat women with sex appeal. Homosexuality has not really been spotlighted in the series up to this point, so I do not expect it to. The traits of MGS I mentioned have been, so I do expect them to continue to be. I do not know why anyone would.

Another thing about Metal Gear Solid to take note of is Hideo Kojima's wish to end the series before MGS5 entered development. He publicly stated he intended to end with 4. He works for Konami and his superiors most likely plan for his team to continue to make games that earn them money. MGS is a successful series for them, so he will probably keep making those games.

capaho

Actually, MGS is one of the better series, IMHO.  Both male and female characters are sexualized and, although there is no overt homosexuality in MGS, there is a definite undercurrent of homoeroticism in the interactions between some of the male characters.  My reaction to the images posted here were more out of concern that MGS 5 was going to resort to the same kind of unimaginative silliness that draws in the target demographic.  The lack of alternatives to the stereotypical sleaziness of oversexualized female characters is well beyond tiresome.

[QUOTE="capaho"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

Okay

Thanks for clarifying.

I can say with absolute confidence that discrimination does occur in the United States in many ways because I have lived here my entire life and I do my research. I have also researched modern Japan and it has positive qualities. It also has its own forms of discrimination. The video game industries of both countries do discriminate, too, because they target demographics that probably will buy their products. I do not think it is always meant to be derogatory which is something I think you are emphasizing in this thread. It might be sometimes, but not all the time.

Game franchises that progress with new content that is like previous games can be noted to be going after the same target audiences if they make a sequel like the previous entry. In the case of Metal Gear Solid, there is (among other things) a Snake, a Metal Gear, and somewhat women with sex appeal. Homosexuality has not really been spotlighted in the series up to this point, so I do not expect it to. The traits of MGS I mentioned have been, so I do expect them to continue to be. I do not know why anyone would.

Another thing about Metal Gear Solid to take note of is Hideo Kojima's wish to end the series before MGS5 entered development. He publicly stated he intended to end with 4. He works for Konami and his superiors most likely plan for his team to continue to make games that earn them money. MGS is a successful series for them, so he will probably keep making those games.

BranKetra

Actually, MGS is one of the better series, IMHO.  Both male and female characters are sexualized and, although there is no overt homosexuality in MGS, there is a definite undercurrent of homoeroticism in the interactions between some of the male characters.  My reaction to the images posted here were more out of concern that MGS 5 was going to resort to the same kind of unimaginative silliness that draws in the target demographic.  The lack of alternatives to the stereotypical sleaziness of oversexualized female characters is well beyond tiresome.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="capaho"]

Actually, MGS is one of the better series, IMHO.  Both male and female characters are sexualized and, although there is no overt homosexuality in MGS, there is a definite undercurrent of homoeroticism in the interactions between some of the male characters.  My reaction to the images posted here were more out of concern that MGS 5 was going to resort to the same kind of unimaginative silliness that draws in the target demographic.  The lack of alternatives to the stereotypical sleaziness of oversexualized female characters is well beyond tiresome.

LoG-Sacrament

vamp's dagger is presented as very phallic (which he accompanies with various licking motions. oh, and f*ck it, the blood is white :P ). there's that unfortunate sequence where they're penetrated by the sword and gyrating ass to crotch. vamp throws around double entendres like how he swoons "could you be the one to finally finish me?"

i don't think it's even in question.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"] i agree that pandering to one group is just as bad as pandering to another, but you have to admit that some parts of MGS are really gay and it's not even subtle. i mean...watch.LoG-Sacrament

vamp's dagger is presented as very phallic (which he accompanies with various licking motions. oh, and f*ck it, the blood is white :P ). there's that unfortunate sequence where they're penetrated by the sword and gyrating ass to crotch. vamp throws around double entendres like how he swoons "could you be the one to finally finish me?"

i don't think it's even in question.

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] Is it that obvious? I have not seen anything homosexual in the MGS4 and I beat it four times. I watched the cutscenes each time and I think I listened to the codec conversations, too. BranKetra

vamp's dagger is presented as very phallic (which he accompanies with various licking motions. oh, and f*ck it, the blood is white :P ). there's that unfortunate sequence where they're penetrated by the sword and gyrating ass to crotch. vamp throws around double entendres like how he swoons "could you be the one to finally finish me?"

i don't think it's even in question.

it's erotic and it's done amongst men. it's homoerotic in the same way 2 men fondling phallic objects among each other is homoerotic. the synthetic blood is white and licked off of the knife. i don't even think i can be any more clear than that without being moderated.

vamp isn't all by himself here. he's in the company of raiden who plays an important part. you can choose to ignore it but it's right there.

 I am confused now. The issues you said you have with Metal Gear Solid is not just discrimination, but also things you think are sleazy. In the above post, you are grateful for an image of a male in sleazy drag. That is a double standard. Also, I do not know of any moments of even subtle homoeroticism in any of the Metal Gear Solid games besides Volgin being Colonel Ivan Raikov's lover. If you do not like the series, you can send a message with your purchasing power. BranKetra

Have you no sense of humor?  My feigned elation over the alternative image of Snake was in celebration of someone else in this discussion finally getting it.  I don't need such images of either gender to enjoy a game and would rather not have to tolerate them over the course of a game.  All I'm saying is, if the developers are obsessed with the notion that they have to appeal to base desires to sell games, at least consider that not all gamers are horny heterosexual males.  And for those of us who aren't horny heterosexual males, objectified images of women add nothing of value to the game (the lesbian community notwithstanding).

To say the rest is homoerotic is imaginative because your observation is focusing on subliminal messages.

BranKetra

Thus I said there was a subtle undercurrent of homoeroticism.  I doubt that you'll get it if you aren't gay.

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vamp's dagger is presented as very phallic (which he accompanies with various licking motions. oh, and f*ck it, the blood is white :P ). there's that unfortunate sequence where they're penetrated by the sword and gyrating ass to crotch. vamp throws around double entendres like how he swoons "could you be the one to finally finish me?"

i don't think it's even in question.

LoG-Sacrament

it's erotic and it's done amongst men. it's homoerotic in the same way 2 men fondling phallic objects among each other is homoerotic. the synthetic blood is white and licked off of the knife. i don't even think i can be any more clear than that without being moderated.

vamp isn't all by himself here. he's in the company of raiden who plays an important part. you can choose to ignore it but it's right there.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] I am confused now. The issues you said you have with Metal Gear Solid is not just discrimination, but also things you think are sleazy. In the above post, you are grateful for an image of a male in sleazy drag. That is a double standard. Also, I do not know of any moments of even subtle homoeroticism in any of the Metal Gear Solid games besides Volgin being Colonel Ivan Raikov's lover. If you do not like the series, you can send a message with your purchasing power. capaho

Have you no sense of humor?  My feigned elation over the alternative image of Snake was in celebration of someone else in this discussion finally getting it.  I don't need such images of either gender to enjoy a game and would rather not have to tolerate them over the course of a game.  All I'm saying is, if the developers are obsessed with the notion that they have to appeal to base desires to sell games, at least consider that not all gamers are horny heterosexual males.  And for those of us who aren't horny heterosexual males, objectified images of women add nothing of value to the game (the lesbian community notwithstanding).