L4D2 Boycott

Quite a lot of people (including myself) plan to boycott Valve's upcoming sequel, Left 4 Dead 2. And for good reason if you ask me: By them releasing Left 4 Dead 2, it's them saying "We're not going to release any new maps for Left 4 Dead (the original) or any new content at all. Buy our new game, Left 4 Dead 2." This tells me that I should probably not buy Left 4 Dead 2 right away (if at all), not only because they're so cocky that they're probably going to release this **** for 40 or more dollars, but also abecause I know that within a year they're going to be moving on to bigger things.

Just by looking at the comments on several L4D2 videos and announcements you can tell how a lot of gamers feel about this. They're saying Left 4 Dead 2 should have come in the form of free DLC for L4D, and can you blame them?

What are your thoughts?

also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai9qa1T_I3o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u4rNH9cqIM

Have fun with your boycott, I'll let you know you what me and my friends think of Left 4 Dead 2 when it comes out.

This is silly. You are not owed free DLC because they've give some away in the past. Valve is a business and their first priority should be fiscal solvency. That means they need to produce revenue and while DLC can help with that, used game sales detract from that same figure. A new release that forces new purchases is a realistic solution to their problem.

Based on what I've seen of the content updates to 2, it's certainly no worse a sequel than many others I've seen.

This is silly. You are not owed free DLC because they've give some away in the past. Valve is a business and their first priority should be fiscal solvency. That means they need to produce revenue and while DLC can help with that, used game sales detract from that same figure. A new release that forces new purchases is a realistic solution to their problem.

Based on what I've seen of the content updates to 2, it's certainly no worse a sequel than many others I've seen.

3KindgomsRandy

Not because they've given some away in the past, because they PROMISED it.

You do realize that you're boycott will accomplish nothing, right?Paladin_King

As of the time of me posting this, our boycott is putting Valve out of $350,000 dollars.

Have fun with your boycott, I'll let you know you what me and my friends think of Left 4 Dead 2 when it comes out.

Dire_Weasel

Oh don't worry, I already know what you think about it. I've played it already, you probably have too.

Valve is still actively supporting Counter-Strike well after the release of Counter-Strike: Source. If you think Valve is suddenly going to stop supporting Left 4 Dead just because a sequel's coming out, think again. That's now how Valve operates.LordAndrew

Fun fact: There are several major bugs in Counter-Strike and Counter-Strike: Source that have existed since release and have never been fixed. Why? Because there's no profit involved in fixing a game-altering bug if the only people who care already paid.

Valve is one of not even a handful of developers who have never made a bad game so I respect them. Also they support all their games likfe CSS or DoD:S. L4D was a fun game that I played alot more than other games that costs me $50 so I have abosolutely no problem with buying the sequal becouse I know it will be fun and it will be worth the money unlike for example the CoD games.

Valve is still actively supporting Counter-Strike well after the release of Counter-Strike: Source. If you think Valve is suddenly going to stop supporting Left 4 Dead just because a sequel's coming out, think again. That's now how Valve operates.LordAndrew

[QUOTE="3KindgomsRandy"]

This is silly. You are not owed free DLC because they've give some away in the past. Valve is a business and their first priority should be fiscal solvency. That means they need to produce revenue and while DLC can help with that, used game sales detract from that same figure. A new release that forces new purchases is a realistic solution to their problem.

Based on what I've seen of the content updates to 2, it's certainly no worse a sequel than many others I've seen.

flUx_

Not because they've given some away in the past, because they PROMISED it.

I'm not boycotting it (I don't believe in the concept), but I probably won't be buying it. No matter how you look at it, this is a very un-Valve move for Valve. They released a game extremely light on content which people bought en masse (PC gamers at least) under the pretense that Valve will employ the Team Fortress 2 model for Left 4 Dead. Obviously, that is not going to happen. I'm not angry with Valve, I still love them. I am disappointed, though. 360 gamers will probably not understand this, but PC gamers have a very special relationship with Valve. There are great, amazing developers and then there's Valve. Valve goes beyond making essential games - Valve is the only high profile developer that fans really trust. And I'm not using that word lightly. Valve has a long reputation of not only significant post-release support, but more importantly, Valve is a developer that actually listens and interacts with their fans on a regular basis. This could stain that relationship.

Again, this is simply a very un-Valve move, a very consolish move which definitely doesn't resonate well with me at all. On top of that, releasing Left 4 Dead 2 before even showing Episode Three is unfathomable to me.

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Again, this is simply a very un-Valve move, a very consolish move which definitely doesn't resonate well with me at all. On top of that, releasing Left 4 Dead 2 before even showing Episode Three is unfathomable to me.

UpInFlames

On top of that, releasing Left 4 Dead 2 before even showing Episode Three is unfathomable to me.

UpInFlames

You do realize that you're boycott will accomplish nothing, right?Paladin_King

That's actually not true at all - especially in the PC realm. PC gamers make things happen - and make things go away. I'll use the recent example of DRM vs. PC gamers battle. It all started with the StarForce debacle of which Ubisoft was the biggest supporter. PC gamers made things happen when Ubisoft finally dropped Starforce in early 2006 with the release of Heroes of Might and Magic V thanks to overwhelming pressure - including a widespread boycott. Some time later it was 2K Games' turn with BioShock which supported SecuROM. Once again, 2K was forced to drop support thanks to PC gamer pressure. Most famously, though, EA is quickly dropping DRM announcing their highest profile PC titles such as The Sims 3 and Dragon Age will sport no DRM whatsoever even though SecuROM DRM was initially confirmed for both games. Naturally, the rioting surrounding Spore (including a cIass-action lawsuit) put a stop to that.

Dude, get over yourself. Some little boycotte that some loser posts on Gamespot won't do anything, and PC gamers dont have any more power than any other gamer in how a company listens to their feedback... and if you know anything then you know that Episode 2 was rushed out because the fans demanded it so they put it out as soon as possible. Now many people are demanding Episode 3 and they havent said anything about it, so it's probobly still in development. Stop being so spoiled and just wait for it and respect the company that from what you posted earlier respects "PC gamers" and takes their thoughts into consideration.chugachea

Actually, I just provided insights into how gamers can change things so you are obviously incorrect.

Episode Two was not rushed, it was a finished and polished product. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please provide it. Also, if it were indeed rushed due to fan outcry as you claimed then surely Valve would release Episode Three a long time ago which they obviously didn't. So your little theory has a pretty big loophole.

Are you going to boycott Modern Warfare 2 as well?

If you buy call of duty games yearly then you're a walking contradiction. Rebels without a cause ya gotta love 'em.

Quite a lot of people (including myself) plan to boycott Valve's upcoming sequel, Left 4 Dead 2. And for good reason if you ask me: By them releasing Left 4 Dead 2, it's them saying "We're not going to release any new maps for Left 4 Dead (the original) or any new content at all. Buy our new game, Left 4 Dead 2." This tells me that I should probably not buy Left 4 Dead 2 right away (if at all), not only because they're so cocky that they're probably going to release this **** for 40 or more dollars, but also abecause I know that within a year they're going to be moving on to bigger things.

Just by looking at the comments on several L4D2 videos and announcements you can tell how a lot of gamers feel about this. They're saying Left 4 Dead 2 should have come in the form of free DLC for L4D, and can you blame them?

What are your thoughts?

also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai9qa1T_I3o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u4rNH9cqIM

flUx_

Hey guys, life is so crummy sometimes, always coming out with something new. Who's up for boycotting life? Ima start right n-

May I direct your attention to this thread: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26757759

Enjoy. I don't think I have to say anything more.

You keep on playing Left 4 Dead 1, and complain when their making new games.

The bottom line is this. People did not appreciate what Valve was doing with the costant after release support for their games. There is no reason why the TF2 updates are free except for Valve being Valve. The L4D2 discussion is going on becouse Valve used to take forever to make games and now when they are doing something completetly normal in the gaming world they are critisized, becouse its an odd move for them and that is silly. Anyone who played Valve games before should know that this one will be fun and worth the money.

The bottom line is this. People did not appreciate what Valve was doing with the costant after release support for their games. There is no reason why the TF2 updates are free except for Valve being Valve. The L4D2 discussion is going on becouse Valve used to take forever to make games and now when they are doing something completetly normal in the gaming world they are critisized, becouse its an odd move for them and that is silly. Anyone who played Valve games before should know that this one will be fun and worth the money.

rzepak

I am surprised that gamers are acting like spoiled children who before got their candy for free but now they have to pay. SHOULD L4D2 be instead a free dlc? No it shouldnt, but COULD it be one? Well yes but the internal Valve decision was different so get over it and play something else instead of spitting in the face of good developers.

some of you guys are acting like little kids in a candy store whining for freebies. the average salary for a video game programer is about 75k a year do you know how many work at valve? making games cost money, crap playing games cost money so either get used to paying money or i would sugest a cheaper hobby. maybe valve should just stop chargning money for anything because we are pc gamers and we derserve it right?

[QUOTE="Paladin_King"]You do realize that you're boycott will accomplish nothing, right?UpInFlames

That's actually not true at all - especially in the PC realm. PC gamers make things happen - and make things go away. I'll use the recent example of DRM vs. PC gamers battle. It all started with the StarForce debacle of which Ubisoft was the biggest supporter. PC gamers made things happen when Ubisoft finally dropped Starforce in early 2006 with the release of Heroes of Might and Magic V thanks to overwhelming pressure - including a widespread boycott. Some time later it was 2K Games' turn with BioShock which supported SecuROM. Once again, 2K was forced to drop support thanks to PC gamer pressure. Most famously, though, EA is quickly dropping DRM announcing their highest profile PC titles such as The Sims 3 and Dragon Age will sport no DRM whatsoever even though SecuROM DRM was initially confirmed for both games. Naturally, the rioting surrounding Spore (including a cIass-action lawsuit) put a stop to that.

As of the time of me posting this, our boycott is putting Valve out of $350,000 dollars.

flUx_

you sound like a child throwing a tantrum :D

how are they losing 350, 000 and how many people that join your little boycott will actually stick to it??

this reminds me of facebook groups like "the day without facebook" where everyone joined and still used facebook on that day. it sounded good in theory but silly in practice

Why not boycott sequels altogether in that case? You know, since they are the same games just with a different coat of paint right?

Dude its just a game . I for one am looking forward to it. Id rather be in a position in October where i can either chose to buy Left4Dead 2 rather than wondering when are we ever going to see a sequel.

I am surprised that gamers are acting like spoiled children who before got their candy for free but now they have to pay. SHOULD L4D2 be instead a free dlc? No it shouldnt, but COULD it be one? Well yes but the internal Valve decision was different so get over it and play something else instead of spitting in the face of good developers.rzepak

I didn't get anything for free - I payed full price for the game under the pretense that over time its lack of content will be addressed. The problem isn't that Left 4 Dead 2 costs money, the problem is that Left 4 Dead 2 is coming out only a year after the original did which hasn't seen any significant new content since release. Please stop making it seem that the problem is something entirely else when it's crystal clear what the problem really is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQWylFmqnwM

Good developers don't lie to their customers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQWylFmqnwM

Good developers don't lie to their customers.

flUx_

Wheres the lies? wehre have they said tehre going to STOP releasing stuff for L4D? oh ya, they havnt, more ignorance by a bun ch of nerd raging school children.

[QUOTE="flUx_"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQWylFmqnwM

Good developers don't lie to their customers.

warmaster670

Wheres the lies? wehre have they said tehre going to STOP releasing stuff for L4D? oh ya, they havnt, more ignorance by a bun ch of nerd raging school children.

EDIT: I got it now. Your spelling is terrible and I had a hard time understanding what the hell you said. Chet Faliszek stated that the team found making incremental patches in the same style as Team Fortress 2 difficult to do, and thus set upon making a sequel. He also stated that they would release new campaigns, monsters, weapons, etc. for Left 4 Dead. I don't understand how you didn't hear that in the video or how your brain didn't put 2 and 2 together, but there you go. If you need help with anything else let me know :)

Also, over 8000 members now. You can keep calling it "your little boycott" if you like, but it hardly seems appropriate.

I'm still having a good laugh at anyone that thinks they're "boycotting" a major game release.

Left 4 Dead 2 will still sell, and it will probably sell better than than the original. Feel free not to buy it, it won't hurt Valve's feelings. :)

They released half of a game with L4D and many folks thought that valve would release more content in the future, otherwise many would not have paid the price of a full game for L4D. Instead, they went about making a sequel. Valve sold outOlorin_

Funny, when I bought the game, I was happy with getting exactly what came on the DVD. I also had a pretty good idea of what would be on the DVD, because I read a couple of reviews.

Actually, I ended up getting two more vs. mode maps and a whole new survivor mode for free later on, so, like you, I have nothing to complain about.

They released half of a game with L4D and many folks thought that valve would release more content in the future, otherwise many would not have paid the price of a full game for L4D. Instead, they went about making a sequel. Valve sold outOlorin_

If people bought the game and crossed their fingers for extra content later I have no sympathy for them. When you drop 50-60 dollars on a game you should be making that purchase based on what is on that disc, not what MIGHT come out later.

And L4D had plenty of content for the retail price so frankly, I think those complaining are out of line. Valve doesn't owe any of you a damn thing.

If people bought the game and crossed their fingers for extra content later I have no sympathy for them. When you drop 50-60 dollars on a game you should be making that purchase based on what is on that disc, not what MIGHT come out later.

And L4D had plenty of content for the retail price so frankly, I think those complaining are out of line. Valve doesn't owe any of you a damn thing.

Grammaton-Cleric