The stuff you hate about this gen

There are many things I hate about this gen, some of them are:

• Offline multiplayer / Splitscreen - It seams the developers expect everyone to play online and dont want anyone to have any real social interaction. I mean comon! Games are much much more fun to play with a friend or friends beside you and watch their priceless expression when you frag them.
• Multiplayer treatment - Nowadays, most games get away with mediocre and short SP campaigns by offering some sort of multiplayer option. I guess they should be reminded by games like MGS 4 and Bioshock.
• Leave it for the patch - Increasing trend, I hate when developers push games too quickly and release a patch within a week (which confirms they were aware of the problems). The first party guys like Sony and Microsoft should do more strict testing before giving the green light to send the games to gold.

Not enough hardcore games. I can only think of a few hardcore games on each platform this year.

And no, when I say "hardcore", I don't mean "gory" or "realistic first-person shooter". If you were born in the 90's, don't ask, because you wouldn't understand.

Not enough hardcore games. I can only think of a few hardcore games on each platform this year.

And no, when I say "hardcore", I don't mean "gory" or "realistic first-person shooter". If you were born in the 90's, don't ask, because you wouldn't understand.

Zweihand

Yeah, I can agree.

Not enough hardcore games. I can only think of a few hardcore games on each platform this year.

And no, when I say "hardcore", I don't mean "gory" or "realistic first-person shooter". If you were born in the 90's, don't ask, because you wouldn't understand.

Zweihand

[QUOTE="Zweihand"]

Not enough hardcore games. I can only think of a few hardcore games on each platform this year.

And no, when I say "hardcore", I don't mean "gory" or "realistic first-person shooter". If you were born in the 90's, don't ask, because you wouldn't understand.

SemiMaster

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"][QUOTE="Zweihand"]

Not enough hardcore games. I can only think of a few hardcore games on each platform this year.

And no, when I say "hardcore", I don't mean "gory" or "realistic first-person shooter". If you were born in the 90's, don't ask, because you wouldn't understand.

Zweihand

The things I hate about this generation? Quite frankly...

People continuously trying to find something negative about this hobby. It seems more and more people this year that peple are looking for things to complain about this generation, even more so than any other generation. I account it to being spoiled. This by far has been the biggest annoyance beyond "games or industry practices that are bad".

Hardcore = Difficult to pick up and play, but extremely rewarding when the player reaches the necessary level of skill needed to excel. Oftentimes the control mechanics are very simplistic but the punishing difficulty forces the player to make the absolute best of them.

For example, Soldner X, Radiant Silvergun, King of Fighters, Mega Man, and Odin Sphere would constitute as "hardcore". Kingdom Hearts, Gears of War, Rock Band, Super Mario Galaxy, and Final Fantasy would not.

The things I hate about this generation? Quite frankly...

People continuously trying to find something negative about this hobby. It seems more and more people this year that peple are looking for things to complain about this generation, even more so than any other generation. I account it to being spoiled. This by far has been the biggest annoyance beyond "games or industry practices that are bad".

juradai

Hardcore = Difficult to pick up and play, but extremely rewarding when the player reaches the necessary level of skill needed to excel. Oftentimes the control mechanics are very simplistic but the punishing difficulty forces the player to make the absolute best of them.

For example, Soldner X, Radiant Silvergun, King of Fighters, Mega Man, and Odin Sphere would constitute as "hardcore". Kingdom Hearts, Gears of War, Rock Band, Super Mario Galaxy, and Final Fantasy would not.

Zweihand

You seem to like shmups. Alot. The thing I don't get, and this has been going on for a while, is the label of hardcore as if it is a grand title that seals one's position in the gaming enthusiast world. I really don't get it.

But hey... what do I know?

I'm old-school. Doh! I just labeled myself.

*kicks a rock*

When one has been spoiled by the golden age of gaming, what should they do when the bar of quality plunges significantly? Accept it with grace and continue to pay for crappy anticipated release after crappy anticipated release?

Zweihand

[QUOTE="Zweihand"]

Hardcore = Difficult to pick up and play, but extremely rewarding when the player reaches the necessary level of skill needed to excel. Oftentimes the control mechanics are very simplistic but the punishing difficulty forces the player to make the absolute best of them.

For example, Soldner X, Radiant Silvergun, King of Fighters, Mega Man, and Odin Sphere would constitute as "hardcore". Kingdom Hearts, Gears of War, Rock Band, Super Mario Galaxy, and Final Fantasy would not.

juradai

You seem to like shmups. Alot. The thing I don't get, and this has been going on for a while, is the label of hardcore as if it is a grand title that seals one's position in the gaming enthusiast world. I really don't get it.

But hey... what do I know?

I'm old-school. Doh! I just labeled myself.

*kicks a rock*

Again, it's not about how much you play the game. It's about the type of game.

Good for you. Enjoy your hand-holding Japanese RPG's. I'll stick with Geometry Wars, Ketsui, and Soldner X.Zweihand

QUOTE]:roll: And I'm sick of the "conforming to non-conformity" stand exhibited by people who don't recognize different unanimously-defined labels for existing genres. But hey, you keep on fighting! For... whatever cause you're fighting for.

Again, it's not about how much you play the game. It's about the type of game.

Zweihand

I wasn't going to get into this at all until you said Rock Band wasn't hardcore, now that I disagree with. Do you know how many years it took for me to be able to finish these games on expert guitar difficulty (about 2) pick up the game sometime and try expert difficulty its as hardcore as any shoot em up, just in a different genre. Also your average games have hard and really hard difficultys so the hardcore is still there.GodModeEnabled

Then again, perhaps by TODAY's standards, they'd be hardcore, when compared to their piss-easy next-gen counterparts. Back in the day, that stuff was casual, but casual wasn't a bad thing back then; it just meant that it was less difficult than Castlevania, Gradius, or Contra.

Yesteryear's casual game is today's hardcore game in the eyes of casuals/nongamers. Rock Band is no less casual than Halo, Mario Party, or Smash Bros; it's a bro game, plain and simple.

For someone to define what is hardcore comes across as elitist and arrogant.juradai

And yes, I know elitism isn't a good thing in the eyes of many. But you know what? I'm not many.

Hardcore = Difficult to pick up and play, but extremely rewarding when the player reaches the necessary level of skill needed to excel. Oftentimes the control mechanics are very simplistic but the punishing difficulty forces the player to make the absolute best of them.

For example, Soldner X, Radiant Silvergun, King of Fighters, Mega Man, and Odin Sphere would constitute as "hardcore". Kingdom Hearts, Gears of War, Rock Band, Super Mario Galaxy, and Final Fantasy would not.

Zweihand, Soldner X and Radiant Silvergun are jokes. I can't take you seriously after calling those games hardcore.

Then so be it. I'm 25, I think I'm entitled to be an elitist.

And yes, I know elitism isn't a good thing in the eyes of many. But you know what? I'm not many.

Zweihand

I've always chuckled at the "hardcore" label. Seems to have been a made up label by gamers who wanted to feel extra special once the medium started to get mainstream attention. If you really insist on labels there's really only 2 you can legitimately use that make sense. "Informed" and "uninformed." People who spend a lot of time following the trends, reading reviews and previews, and knowing what's coming up next, opposed to people who buy a game because the box is pretty or because the Gamestop sales person shoved it in their face and said, "Buy this!"Robio_basic

[QUOTE="Zweihand"]

Then so be it. I'm 25, I think I'm entitled to be an elitist.

And yes, I know elitism isn't a good thing in the eyes of many. But you know what? I'm not many.

Skylock00

I've been gaming since I was 6 (A latecomer, I suppose, in comparison to kids nowadays playing GTA4 when they're 2 or 3), so 19 gaming years, give or take a few months. Still... I've watched it go downhill so far since my early days of Contra, Mario, Sonic, Metroid, and Pac-Man. So many new-age gamers just have no clue.

Really, it's just painful to watch so many newcomers to gaming settle for less.

To quote someone from another thread, "I miss the days when games were made for gamers."

Zweihand, Soldner X and Radiant Silvergun are jokes. I can't take you seriously after calling those games hardcore.

Greatgone12

Unless, of course, you can provide me with a video of you clearing Radiant Silvergun on a single credit. It's been done, by pros. I'm pretty sure that if you see RSG as a joke, you can prove it. Make sure to put the initials "G12" in the high score so I know it's you.

Don't want to bother with all of that? Then don't make uncredible statements about a sheer work of art. ;)

Silver Surfer was horrible. (I'm assuming you mean the NES one?)

I've been gaming since I was 6 (A latecomer, I suppose, in comparison to kids nowadays playing GTA4 when they're 2 or 3), so 19 gaming years, give or take a few months. Still... I've watched it go downhill so far since my early days of Contra, Mario, Sonic, Metroid, and Pac-Man. So many new-age gamers just have no clue.

Really, it's just painful to watch so many newcomers to gaming settle for less.

To quote someone from another thread, "I miss the days when games were made for gamers."

Zweihand

There is a distinct lack of good old fationed story based RPG's. Im talking about the rpg's that are out there to tell a story like soul reaver that was an amazing series of games. With the rpg's tody you start playing and you want to save after an hour or two and start agan later. With soul reaver you didn't want to save you wanted to continue into the whole night. Not just that how many people out there actually want to get a sequal to a game. Youplay a good RPG out there and the ending is semi stand alone, you can survive if there isnt anoter so you dont really care. Soul reaver ade you want to play the next game and the game after that and thegame after that you had to pay the entire series I miss that experiance.

There is a distinct lack of good old fationed story based RPG's. Im talking about the rpg's that are out there to tell a story like soul reaver that was an amazing series of games. With the rpg's tody you start playing and you want to save after an hour or two and start agan later. With soul reaver you didn't want to save you wanted to continue into the whole night. Not just that how many people out there actually want to get a sequal to a game. Youplay a good RPG out there and the ending is semi stand alone, you can survive if there isnt anoter so you dont really care. Soul reaver ade you want to play the next game and the game after that and thegame after that you had to pay the entire series I miss that experiance.

Livingemerald

[QUOTE="Zweihand"] Silver Surfer was horrible. (I'm assuming you mean the NES one?)

I've been gaming since I was 6 (A latecomer, I suppose, in comparison to kids nowadays playing GTA4 when they're 2 or 3), so 19 gaming years, give or take a few months. Still... I've watched it go downhill so far since my early days of Contra, Mario, Sonic, Metroid, and Pac-Man. So many new-age gamers just have no clue.

Really, it's just painful to watch so many newcomers to gaming settle for less.

To quote someone from another thread, "I miss the days when games were made for gamers."

Robio_basic

Don't want to bother with all of that? Then don't make uncredible statements about a sheer work of art. ;)

Zweihand

[QUOTE="Zweihand"]

Don't want to bother with all of that? Then don't make uncredible statements about a sheer work of art. ;)

Skylock00

Still waiting for your Radiant Silvergun superplay.Zweihand

[QUOTE="Zweihand"]Still waiting for your Radiant Silvergun superplay.Skylock00

I know what I miss.

I miss the days before mainstream internet access. No fanboying since you didn't have an outlet to fanboy on. Instead, just mild arguments between you and your bros on "Mario vs Sonic" and such, a decade and a half before they were officially in a terrible Olympics game together.

There are many things I hate about this gen, some of them are:

• Offline multiplayer / Splitscreen - It seams the developers expect everyone to play online and dont want anyone to have any real social interaction. I mean comon! Games are much much more fun to play with a friend or friends beside you and watch their priceless expression when you frag them.
• Multiplayer treatment - Nowadays, most games get away with mediocre and short SP campaigns by offering some sort of multiplayer option. I guess they should be reminded by games like MGS 4 and Bioshock.
• Leave it for the patch - Increasing trend, I hate when developers push games too quickly and release a patch within a week (which confirms they were aware of the problems). The first party guys like Sony and Microsoft should do more strict testing before giving the green light to send the games to gold.

If you have any other points, lemme know. I would love to know what you guys hate about this gen.

Gamer_4_Fun

If there's one thing that gets on my nerves, its the upward trend of minigame compilations catered towards non-gamer crowd. Though I'm happy that gaming is becoming a more relevent medium in this day and age, I don't think that creating these sorts of games is the way to go about it.

Don't want to bother with all of that? Then don't make uncredible statements about a sheer work of art. ;)

Zweihand

Says the guy who slammed FF7 in the DS discussion forum.

Look, I know there's a lot of fun to be had in leaving drops of vitriol in threads because you're bitter and angry and bored, but if you're going to continue to tread in this line of obnoxious behavior, then I'd suggest hauling yourself out of the thread and leaving the rest of the discussion to us more civilized folks. Your misdemeanor is not welcomed here.

only thing i dislike this gen are,

achieviements and trophies.

If there's one thing that gets on my nerves, its the upward trend of minigame compilations catered towards non-gamer crowd. Though I'm happy that gaming is becoming a more relevent medium in this day and age, I don't think that creating these sorts of games is the way to go about it.

[QUOTE="Zweihand"]

Don't want to bother with all of that? Then don't make uncredible statements about a sheer work of art. ;)

BladesOfAthena

Says the guy who slammed FF7 in the DS discussion forum.

Look, I know there's a lot of fun to be had in leaving drops of vitriol in threads because you're bitter and angry and bored, but if you're going to continue to tread in this line of obnoxious behavior, then I'd suggest hauling yourself out of the thread and leaving the rest of the discussion to us more civilized folks. Your misdemeanor is not welcomed here.

Cool story bro

You speak of FF7 as though it's some kind of good game, though.

Perplexing.

Not enough hardcore games. I can only think of a few hardcore games on each platform this year.

And no, when I say "hardcore", I don't mean "gory" or "realistic first-person shooter". If you were born in the 90's, don't ask, because you wouldn't understand.

Zweihand

A lack of JRPGs on consoles. My DS seems to be my sole JRPG provider for now. Although it looks like that will change in 2009/2010 .hm360

Another is Lack of new franchises, lack of imagination....No one wants to take risks.Hells_rebelion

[QUOTE="Hells_rebelion"]Another is Lack of new franchises, lack of imagination....No one wants to take risks.Skylock00