Why did a lot of gamers get so pissed off about FF13 going multiplatform?

after seeing MGS4 exclusive on the ps3 and GTA4 multiplatform, i am concerned that the game being multiplatform will result in an inferior product.

some people would be really pissed if they based their decision to buy the ps3 partially on FFXIII being exclusive. if they had known from the start that it would be on both systems, i think many more people would have opted to buy the cheaper 360 with more games already available.

after seeing MGS4 exclusive on the ps3 and GTA4 multiplatform, i am concerned that the game being multiplatform will result in an inferior product.

some people would be really pissed if they based their decision to buy the ps3 partially on FFXIII being exclusive. if they had known from the start that it would be on both systems, i think many more people would have opted to buy the cheaper 360 with more games already available.

OneWingedAngeI

Absolutely, I also think a lot of current 360 owners who went out and bought a PS3 just for this game will be infuriated, I mean who wouldn't be when you dish out 400 hundred bucks for a new system that you only bought for the release of one game and to later find out that it was for nothing.

I don'r know. No one is losing anything. SE isn't making it for the 360 instead, they're making it for the 360 aswell. PS3 owners can still play it and get exactly the same experience.

The only thing they might be upset about is they have justlost a reasonto justify their console choice

after seeing MGS4 exclusive on the ps3 and GTA4 multiplatform, i am concerned that the game being multiplatform will result in an inferior product.

some people would be really pissed if they based their decision to buy the ps3 partially on FFXIII being exclusive. if they had known from the start that it would be on both systems, i think many more people would have opted to buy the cheaper 360 with more games already available.

OneWingedAngeI

Yeah, that is huge! Square said the game was only going to go the PS3, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if tons of crazy fans bought the PS3 just for that game. Basically, Square didn't give its audience all the information it should have when it came to its products. It's less of a fanboy thing and more of a, "Hey dude, I just spent $400 on a video game console without knowing all the info!" thing.

I do supposse that exclusitivity does mean that the developers have more time to concentrate on producing an actual quality game for one system.MetalGear_Ninty

But the PS3 is the main one they are making while the 360 will be getting the quick and dirty port. There isn't a reason to believe that yet, though it could be true I suppose.

For the most part, I don't really care. I am a touch concerned about the division of focus in developing the game to run on both platforms. I believe Kitase said there is a different, dedicated team working on the 360 version but I'm still a tad concerned for reasons I can't clearly explain.

Being realistic, though. I think if the port has any detrimental effects on the quality of the product, they'll likely be minimal. Again, I still really don't care.

Now, lol, all this being said, I do plan on buying the 360 version if it runs identical to the PS3 version. I will say I have my doubts about that as well as I know the engine and tools were built from the ground up for the PS3's architecture and I know at least some compression will be necessary where it wasn't for the BRD. The moment I hear the DVD compression is lossy in the slighest, its the PS3 version for me without a doubt.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]I do supposse that exclusitivity does mean that the developers have more time to concentrate on producing an actual quality game for one system.AtomicTangerine

But the PS3 is the main one they are making while the 360 will be getting the quick and dirty port. There isn't a reason to believe that yet, though it could be true I suppose.

Saying "quick and dirty" isn't fair. The port may turn out to be very solid and comparable to the PS3 version.

As was said above, some people just like to see a particular company do well. Others want to have more reasons to justify their purchases.

But what about the following? The two consoles may be practically equal in power, but I'm sure there are many people (like myself) who would not buy a 360 over the PS3 because they don't want their console continually breaking down with the RRoD. Seeing a shoddily built console do well and the better one do worse can be disheartening (as I'm sure it was to some people last gen and the one before). When something is multiplat, fine. But when something is exclusive to the better console (technically better, I mean), it can raise the spirits of those who prefer it, and boost sales of that console, meaning more people would have a less-frequently-interrupted-by-breakdowns gaming experience, which is always nice.

I own a 360 and I don't own a PS3, so I speak from the wrong side of the argument, but I can definitely see the PS3 owners' point. I keep seeing people complain, "So someone else gets to play the game... What do you, have an investment in Sony?" If I owned a PS3, I'd be answering "Yes! Yes I do have an investment in Sony!" Those people put down money--and lots of it--for a console to play good games on. The loss of exclusivity, while it won't damn the PS3 to failure, certainly won't help it in sales. Why shouldn they be disappointed that a factor in the success of a platform they've invested in has suddenly disappeared?

Buying new technology is a gamble and sometimes you take a hit, but I don't see why they should have to be happy about it.

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

after seeing MGS4 exclusive on the ps3 and GTA4 multiplatform, i am concerned that the game being multiplatform will result in an inferior product.

some people would be really pissed if they based their decision to buy the ps3 partially on FFXIII being exclusive. if they had known from the start that it would be on both systems, i think many more people would have opted to buy the cheaper 360 with more games already available.

AtomicTangerine

Yeah, that is huge! Square said the game was only going to go the PS3, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if tons of crazy fans bought the PS3 just for that game. Basically, Square didn't give its audience all the information it should have when it came to its products. It's less of a fanboy thing and more of a, "Hey dude, I just spent $400 on a video game console without knowing all the info!" thing.

I own a 360 and I don't own a PS3, so I speak from the wrong side of the argument, but I can definitely see the PS3 owners' point. I keep seeing people complain, "So someone else gets to play the game... What do you, have an investment in Sony?" If I owned a PS3, I'd be answering "Yes! Yes I do have an investment in Sony!" Those people put down money--and lots of it--for a console to play good games on. The loss of exclusivity, while it won't damn the PS3 to failure, certainly won't help it in sales. Why shouldn they be disappointed that a factor in the success of a platform they've invested in has suddenly disappeared?

Buying new technology is a gamble and sometimes you take a hit, but I don't see why they should have to be happy about it.

SophinaK

actually this is a very good point. im sure there are a fair amount of people who bought the ps3 for FFXIII or were planning to. many of them who did not will likely buy a 360. if the game sells well on the 360, the ps3 doesnt look so hot as a platform to put other games on. it really does affect the image of the system, not just to fans but to devs. if the ps3 isnt attractive as a platform of choice a lot of people may get stuck with a system lacking games.

i can't speak for anyone else cause i'm sure there are a lot of FF fans who are ticked because they only wanted it on "their" systems, but i look at it from a broader view. Personally, i don't care for RPG games and have only played one FF game in my life and i have no desire to play another. But i look at this more of a symbol or sign of things to come. More and more of the big name franchises that were exclusive, or at least timed exclusive (GTA), are now going multi plat from the jump. And i don't know if that is a good thing or not, but what i do know, or at least feel, is that as the years go by, i wouldn't be shocked that every year you hear one or two mega franchises going multi plat (sony and microsoft), which could ultimately lead to the question - Why are there 2 consoles if 99% of the games can be played on both systems? I could be wrong but that is where i feel this is headingsixringz1

well the day of the 3rd party exclusive is near at an end. the reason for having 2 consoles is competition. if there were one we would pay more for less. the downside is each console has its couple first and second party games that tempt you to buy them while 90% of the other games can be had on any system.

You'd think they'd be happy that more people will get to experience a great game who might have otherwise never played it. Plus, the boost in profits pretty much guarantees that square will continue the series for a long time. What's to whine about?UT_Wrestler

1) The game going multiplatform will enivitably mean it will not be the technical marvel it once had the potential to be. Not only do the developers have newfound space concerns (If you think they're going to release 6 DVD's for the 360 version, you're stupid), but now they need to program for the lowest common denominator, hardware wise. They need to make sacrifices to make sure the entire game runs smoothly on both machines. Bottom line.

2) Delays. For a game in development limbo for the last 4 years, going multiplatform will certainly mean one thing: More delays. Unless you live in Japan, where the game will be released for the PS3 first, Square-Enix has stated it will release the 360 and PS3 versions simultaneously. For this to happen, they will take these steps, as stated by SE at E3: First, finish programming for the PS3. Next, start localization for the game. Once finished, they will begin to program the 360 version. Once both versions are complete, the game will see release in other markets.

I have no problem with the game coming out for the 360, persay. I own both machines. But after spending $500 near-launch for my PS3, I was expecting more games like MGS4; games that were technically more impressive than I'd seen, and utilized my investments abilities' to their fullest potential.

1) The game going multiplatform will enivitably mean it will not be the technical marvel it once had the potential to be. Not only do the developers have newfound space concerns (If you think they're going to release 6 DVD's for the 360 version, you're stupid), but now they need to program for the lowest common denominator, hardware wise. They need to make sacrifices to make sure the entire game runs smoothly on both machines. Bottom line.

Jbul

SE has proven their willingness to release on multiple discs many times. Even last gen Star Ocean: til the End of Time was multidisc. I doubt it would actually come to six DVDs, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it on 2-3... it's not like we expect SE games to cost the same as the standard 360 game anyway. ;)

You'd think they'd be happy that more people will get to experience a great game who might have otherwise never played it. Plus, the boost in profits pretty much guarantees that square will continue the series for a long time. What's to whine about?UT_Wrestler

I don't mind the fact that it is multiplatform at all. I do care about the extra 12-odd months this will add on to an English release date though.

Well the announcement of it going to 360 saved me a ton of money, because that was really the only game that made me interested in buying a PS3. Our house still isn't fully furnished and my wife would have killed me if I spent 500 bucks on another game console.

Many people identified it here, but its basically just fanboyism. And unfortunately, PS3 fanboys tend to very possessive about franchises they consider to be Playstation franchises (DMC, MGS and FF in particular). But anyone looking at this rationally should be secure in the console they purchased and realized that no one has LOST anything. 360 owners in NA and Europe have GAINED, though.

Man ... so what's going to happen if MGS4 is announced for the 360 next year with exclusive content? Will it be as quiet as the Bioshock PS3 announcement was? Let's sure hope so ...

You'd think they'd be happy that more people will get to experience a great game who might have otherwise never played it. Plus, the boost in profits pretty much guarantees that square will continue the series for a long time. What's to whine about?UT_Wrestler

no idea. i never played those games and have interest in playing them so i couldnt care less about what happens to it.

[QUOTE="Jbul"]

1) The game going multiplatform will enivitably mean it will not be the technical marvel it once had the potential to be. Not only do the developers have newfound space concerns (If you think they're going to release 6 DVD's for the 360 version, you're stupid), but now they need to program for the lowest common denominator, hardware wise. They need to make sacrifices to make sure the entire game runs smoothly on both machines. Bottom line.

SophinaK

SE has proven their willingness to release on multiple discs many times. Even last gen Star Ocean: til the End of Time was multidisc. I doubt it would actually come to six DVDs, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it on 2-3... it's not like we expect SE games to cost the same as the standard 360 game anyway. ;)

That's all fine and good, but can you imagine the kind of game that would need 2 Blu-Ray Discs to accomadate it? The possibilities are truly impressive; the kind of game you'd think the PS3 was made for. The fact that many PS3 owners feel slighted has less to do with fanboyish notions of loyalty, and more with consumerism. It's more relevant that they bought their PS3's (possibly in addition to their 360's) for a few key titles -- such as Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, and God Of War. I can see some people regretting not just sticking with their 360's at this point. Besides MGS4, I know I do.

Many people identified it here, but its basically just fanboyism. And unfortunately, PS3 fanboys tend to very possessive about franchises they consider to be Playstation franchises (DMC, MGS and FF in particular). But anyone looking at this rationally should be secure in the console they purchased and realized that no one has LOST anything. 360 owners in NA and Europe have GAINED, though.

Man ... so what's going to happen if MGS4 is announced for the 360 next year with exclusive content? Will it be as quiet as the Bioshock PS3 announcement was? Let's sure hope so ...

Darth_Tigris

Why does it have to be fanboyism? Some PS3 owners just want games that take full advantage of their systems' abilities. Multiplatform games tend not to. Sure it could still be a good game, but what's wrong with wanting a game released sooner, or a game that is pushing the system you've invested in as far as it can be? If you're a multi-console owner, you want the best out of every system you own. Don't assume everyone who has a different viewpoint than yours is short-sighted or blinded by brand-loyalty.

1) The game going multiplatform will enivitably mean it will not be the technical marvel it once had the potential to be. Not only do the developers have newfound space concerns (If you think they're going to release 6 DVD's for the 360 version, you're stupid), but now they need to program for the lowest common denominator, hardware wise. They need to make sacrifices to make sure the entire game runs smoothly on both machines. Bottom line.

2) Delays. For a game in development limbo for the last 4 years, going multiplatform will certainly mean one thing: More delays. Unless you live in Japan, where the game will be released for the PS3 first, Square-Enix has stated it will release the 360 and PS3 versions simultaneously. For this to happen, they will take these steps, as stated by SE at E3: First, finish programming for the PS3. Next, start localization for the game. Once finished, they will begin to program the 360 version. Once both versions are complete, the game will see release in other markets.

Jbul

now what i want to add to that first one is;

yes its inevatible to choose inferior hardware to make equal products, so what does it mean ? multiplatform games reduce the quality of games...

exclusive games mean rivarly, rivalry is good because to surpass your competitor you need to make your games with higher quality. so this race wont end with exclusivity... however with multiplatform games, companies wont even care about that because their games will be sold on any platform so they will win anyway, why would they even care ?

that is one of my reasons to be disappointed... the other one is, like a soccer team fan cheers for his team, gaming industry is like that, noone would like to see their team is losing, so these complaints are understandable...

true, i wonder how much we will even care about FFXIII by the time it comes out. i mean i already dont care, ill still buy it but there is no hype to a game with no reliable release date.OneWingedAngeI

and yes, now SE killed all people's hype...

anyone who blames fanboyism for nothing is just not even thinking. though its true, its not something blind. its just like said, cheering for you team and having feelings for it. Manchester United and Arsenal are having a match and if you cheer up for Man. Utd, you would like see them win. if they lose, its not end of the world but you feel disappointment, like players. so everyone would like to see their team would win, same for Sony fans, m$ fans.

well so in the end what worries me the most is, quality...

Same thing happened when Square left Nintendo.

I don't know why I was angry back in the day. I guess it was just a fanboy thing and felt betrayed when I saw Final Fantasy on a console other than Nintendo. But when I really think about it now, it really was no big deal. All I had to do was buy a Playstation One. And I still played and enjoyed FFVII~FFIX.

So that's why I really have no problems nor do I care if Final Fantasy XIII is on the 360. It's not like they jumped ship from Sony and is going solely to Microsoft. Nintendo had it much worse.

Sony is lucky Square-Enix is still supporting them as their first choice console.

Many people identified it here, but its basically just fanboyism. And unfortunately, PS3 fanboys tend to very possessive about franchises they consider to be Playstation franchises (DMC, MGS and FF in particular). But anyone looking at this rationally should be secure in the console they purchased and realized that no one has LOST anything. 360 owners in NA and Europe have GAINED, though.

Man ... so what's going to happen if MGS4 is announced for the 360 next year with exclusive content? Will it be as quiet as the Bioshock PS3 announcement was? Let's sure hope so ...

Darth_Tigris

i think you should head to system wars. it has nothing to do with fanboyism. i own all three consoles and could give a crap about fanboy rants. i am bothered that the product is likely to suffer as a result of being multiplatform.

here is a better MGS4 analogy for you. how much worse do you think the game would have looked if it were multiplatform when it came out? one need only look at GTA4 to see. also ps3 owners HAVE lost something. they lost a system seller that, as a result of more people owning the system, would have brought in more games for the ps3. it's not as simple as some sony pride chest thumping.

it goes toward the overall value of the product. the ps3 has just lost a lot of value. look at how many people have already said "awesome, now i dont have to buy a ps3". yes, it is awesome for them. its not awesome for the people who already own the system when less systems sell. it always translates to less support in terms of games that come to the system.

i think you should head to system wars. it has nothing to do with fanboyism. i own all three consoles and could give a crap about fanboy rants. i am bothered that the product is likely to suffer as a result of being multiplatform.

here is a better MGS4 analogy for you. how much worse do you think the game would have looked if it were multiplatform when it came out? one need only look at GTA4 to see. also ps3 owners HAVE lost something. they lost a system seller that, as a result of more people owning the system, would have brought in more games for the ps3. it's not as simple as some sony pride chest thumping.

it goes toward the overall value of the product. the ps3 has just lost a lot of value. look at how many people have already said "awesome, now i dont have to buy a ps3". yes, it is awesome for them. its not awesome for the people who already own the system when less systems sell. it always translates to less support in terms of games that come to the system.

OneWingedAngeI

Would the game really look that much worse as a multiplatform game? And I would be more concerned with the game running bug free rather than it being the epitome of visual achievement. I love visuals but I honestly don't believe it's the be all or end all.

I also agree with the poster who said why buy a console so far in advance of the game coming out? This game may be a factor in why someone was looking to purchase a PS3, but it's not the only game that someone would play on the PS3. I've never known anyone to have only one game during a console's life cycle. The value of the console should lie on the entire library of games, not just one. If the PS3 has lost value, I can't agree that it amounts to a lot because one game is being ported to another console.

when has square put out a buggy game? and yeah, i think it would look worse multiplatform. i think mgs4 would have looked worse multiplatform. it is much much easier to develop a game for one set of hardware. it is not a sure thing that the game will come out worse, but i and a lot of others are concerned. there is also the possibility of delay. with a simultaneous release, both versions must be flawless for them to release.

as to your second point, i think you should look around at all the people who are commenting "awesome i have a 360 and now i dont have to buy a ps3 for this game". you and i might not think its a good idea to buy a system for one game, but many people were going to buy it for FFXIII. just like they did for MGS4. the value of the console does lie in the entire library. when you lose exclusivity on a game like FFXIII less people will buy the system. i guarantee it. people on these boards have already said they were going to buy for this game and now dont need to. it devalues the console in that less systems sold = less support. its not sony's ship sinking, but it will have an impact of some sort. look at all the support square is putting behind ms. what happens if the ps3 version is dwarved in sales by the 360 version? where will the next FF game be then? you have to look at the big picture.

when has square put out a buggy game? and yeah, i think it would look worse multiplatform. i think mgs4 would have looked worse multiplatform. it is much much easier to develop a game for one set of hardware.

OneWingedAngeI

There's a good chance that, given how long they've been developing it for just the PS3 in mind that the version being built for that platform will actually go by unscathed, while the 360 will truely be a post-production port, whereas something like GTAIV was something that was, from the onset, being built for the two platforms simultaneously...and even then it's a bad example, as pretty much every one of Rockstar's GTA titles have featured issues regarding stability, frame rate, glitches, and the such, even when they were initially viewed as being 'exclusive' to a particular platform (back when GTAIII was done for the PS2).

As opposed to Sony's console losing value as a result of losing support...well, same thing happened to Nintendo back in the N64 era, Nintendo fans were upset, but the industry moves on. Sony has already said that they're less interested in systems moved as they are in internal profitability regarding at least this year, if I'm not mistaken. If the PS3 sales of FF XIII are dwarfed by 360 sales...well, why is that such a problem, really? Should we have expected FFVII to bomb when it was the first FF that was not on its 'home' platform of Nintendo consoles, so that the franchise would stay on the platform that it 'belongs' to?

This side of the argument is one that I simply don't get. Yes, it sucks to lose a game exclusive to your platform. Yes, it sucks that your platform will probably lose some hardware sales/support as a result...but what does it really matter? Third parties are going to make decisions that benefit /them/ most at the end of the day, not you.

I maintain the stance that realistically, most all game companies generally do not put the consumer first in their actions or plans. All three hardware manufacturers have demonstrated this in some capacity so far this generation, several software companies have shown it as well, and chances are it's only going to get worse.

Multiplataform games normally shows a lack of polished finishing. See Iron Man, one of the worse games ever launched...Scatsofrango

As I said before, because we bought a friggin expensive console and they didn't so it's unfair for them to play the game. Another reason which is, MS vague policy if it's not only about stealing Sony's exlusive is hurting the consumer's pocket. Consumers don't like to own a console with possible games because I know alot of users who sold their faulty 360 and bought ps3 because it's a secured system and certain games will be available on the ps3. Buying a 360 again after selling their 360 and buying a ps3 sure hurts their pockets.

I pray that they cancel the port. Not sounding mean but just as we bought a $600 system they should do it to if they wanna play the damn game.

Also, I've heard that it will only be availble for US.

[QUOTE="Scatsofrango"]Multiplataform games normally shows a lack of polished finishing. See Iron Man, one of the worse games ever launched...Skylock00

OK, but I think FPS/RTS games are good only on a PC, and race/combat games on consoles. If you try to adequate different styles on different platforms, NORMALLY the result is not as good as it could be, if it´s a PC only.

As I said before, because we bought a friggin expensive console and they didn't so it's unfair for them to play the game.

gamingqueen

No.

NO.

Sorry, but this mentality is just ridiculous. The scenario you describe about a consumer rebuying a 360 after getting a PS3 would only make sense if FFXIII would be made to be exclusive to the 360 instead of the PS3...but that's not the case. All PS3 owners are still going to get their game.

You aren't owed anything by any third party developers just because you paid more money than someone else for your system. :| That's like saying that a late adopter who pays several hundreds dollar less to buy a PS3 shouldn't deserve to play the game because they didn't pay as much as you did.

The Multiplatform version is supposed to be for pretty much everywhere but Japan, IIRC, but that's beside the point.

It was a huge part of their own justification for the cost of the PS3 console - take that away and the list of 'games I bought this bloody thing for' becomes smaller. They're pissed because they could have just skipped the PS3, maybe played MGS4 at a friend's place, and stuck with a 360 and saved money.

There are probably a bunch of other reasons as well, but that's the only one I can think of that would result in such a knee-jerk explosive outburst.

[QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Scatsofrango"]Multiplataform games normally shows a lack of polished finishing. See Iron Man, one of the worse games ever launched...Scatsofrango

OK, but I think FPS/RTS games are good only on a PC, and race/combat games on consoles. If you try to adequate different styles on different platforms, NORMALLY the result is not as good as it could be, if it´s a PC only.

Not really. GrimGrmoire was awesome and it was on playstation 2.

[QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Scatsofrango"]Multiplataform games normally shows a lack of polished finishing. See Iron Man, one of the worse games ever launched...Scatsofrango

OK, but I think FPS/RTS games are good only on a PC, and race/combat games on consoles. If you try to adequate different styles on different platforms, NORMALLY the result is not as good as it could be, if it´s a PC only.