Why did a lot of gamers get so pissed off about FF13 going multiplatform?

Basically I don´t like the whole porting.The strenghs of the console and stuff like that.But maybe,just maybe FFXIII is very successful on both consoles and they put more time and money in the next one so we get finally a awesome istead of only good FF.I can´t judge FFXIII,but I didn´t like the PS2´s FFs half as much as it´s predecissors.

I think it´s totally ok for PS3-owners to be angry.They thought they finally get a prestige game out of the shooter/action-genre fot them alone that makes the console worth it´s price.It´s not their fault that it´s going to be ported,it´s the fault of those who didn´t buy the System.If the PS3 sold more it´s whouldn´t exist a port.And thats Sonys fault.If Devs can´t use the system and get more problems then results it costs a lot of money.If the Game still doesn´t look the way they planned they releas it in medicore state or they port it to a system they can use and do what they planned.It all ends up in cancels,less good games which means less customers in most cases.The prestige the Console-Manufacturer got helps a lot in the beginning but if nothing really awesome is happening the console with the most userbase will be the one with the games the customers want.That´s the way Nintendo was going with the N64 IMO even if it was technically advanced on the paper.The gap between Cardridge and CD was bigger of course,but the size of the medium is not the only thing that matters.It´s the outcome.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Finally, just as I said above, when Square took the franchise to nintendo, it took it to a better system to make use of that console's advantages and Sony's ps1 was a new system unlike 360 now! and sony's ps3 is better than 360 in terms of specs unlike NES and PS1 before. I hope I made sense.

Ash2X

And again...not really.If you look at the technical specs on the paper this may be right,but in the end not really.Not only because it´s harder to program.There are other small details that require a lot of knowledge about technical stuff.Kinda hard to explain.Plus: If you´re a dev who wants to make a game,which system whould you choose?A powerful one where you got problems to realize your plans or a easy one where you can get better results in less time and make more money on?That´s why Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey aren´t on PS3,

I think it was the only wise Idea to port it,because they whouldn´t make egnough money on the PS3 anyway...there are no egnough sold consoles.New High-Quality-Games are very expensive,too expensive for one just ok-selling console.If one of the consoles make it easier,plus a easy way to give it even to PC-gamers,nobody whould say no without a big paycheck.

MS created Mistwalker, who created BD and LO. I am unaware of the exact nature of the relationship between MS and Mistwalker, but Mistwalker has chosen not to offer games on any competing console (which isn't a big loss since thus far since its much less then the sum of its parts).

However, your point is valid even if your example is not. TriAce's Infinite Undiscovery looks very promising and is X360 exclusive.

If FF13 does get chopped, we'll never know about it, since Squenix hasn't really let anything leak (I've seen two trailers, both of which contained the same gameplay footage).

So its best to just judge FF13 as a game and not worry about the unverifiable. A delay in crossing the Pacific would suck, but a delay wouldn't cause me to skip it if it is as bold and high quality as I hope it is.

I suppose its possible that FF13 was originally intended to be a 12 hour quickie..I suppose its possible that they meant to have very little voice acting. I guess they might have meant to only have the opening and ending pre-rendered movies..In which case who cares about this game anyway?

But this is a Kitase Final Fantasy..remember 7, 8, and 10?? They were the bleeding edge of what could be done at the time. Just going by their past and the simple math of storage media that the 2 systems use, SOMETHING has got to give for this game to be on the 360 period..there is no way around it ..short of you needing a shopping cart to carry your 360 version of FF13 to your car from best buy..

I suppose its possible that FF13 was originally intended to be a 12 hour quickie..I suppose its possible that they meant to have very little voice acting. I guess they might have meant to only have the opening and ending pre-rendered movies..In which case who cares about this game anyway?

But this is a Kitase Final Fantasy..remember 7, 8, and 10?? They were the bleeding edge of what could be done at the time. Just going by their past and the simple math of storage media that the 2 systems use, SOMETHING has got to give for this game to be on the 360 period..there is no way around it ..short of you needing a shopping cart to carry your 360 version of FF13 to your car from best buy..

oldscratch82

Because sony have next to nothing on there exclusive list (which are any good) and they have just lost another one, haha.Englandfc1966

*cough* If people are worry about a delay, why don't they import the game from Japan *cough* If I remember PS3 games are region free right? :PD3s7rUc71oN

*cough* If people are worry about a delay, why don't they import the game from Japan *cough* If I remember PS3 games are region free right? :PD3s7rUc71oN

dont know about you, but we dont speak japanese over here in NA.

[QUOTE="D3s7rUc71oN"]*cough* If people are worry about a delay, why don't they import the game from Japan *cough* If I remember PS3 games are region free right? :Prragnaar

Sony did that with the Japanese release of Siren for the PS3. So if you want an actual disc version of the game, just import the Japanese version. It even has the English voice acting on it, if I'm not mistaken.

[QUOTE="rragnaar"][QUOTE="D3s7rUc71oN"]*cough* If people are worry about a delay, why don't they import the game from Japan *cough* If I remember PS3 games are region free right? :PSkylock00

Sony did that with the Japanese release of Siren for the PS3. So if you want an actual disc version of the game, just import the Japanese version. It even has the English voice acting on it, if I'm not mistaken.

thats pretty sweet. i wish more games did that. i always wished that english and japanese were on all discs and they were not region locked. wouldnt that cover the biggest group of people possible with one version?

[QUOTE="rragnaar"][QUOTE="D3s7rUc71oN"]*cough* If people are worry about a delay, why don't they import the game from Japan *cough* If I remember PS3 games are region free right? :PSkylock00

Sony did that with the Japanese release of Siren for the PS3. So if you want an actual disc version of the game, just import the Japanese version. It even has the English voice acting on it, if I'm not mistaken.

Some Japanese games include both English dubbing and subtitles like Persona 3 FES, it has both. It's not just PS3 games. Most capcom Japanese games *All my DMC games on Ps2* have Enlish dub and sub option in them.

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]

After reading through a lot of posts, the only semi-valid complaint I've seen is that there is a small chance that the game might suffer from lowest-common-denominator syndrome. This basically means that a game is made to fit the specs of the less powerful system and then doesn't take advantage of the more powerful one. This happened a lot on games that were multiplatform on PS2 and Xbox, being that the xbox version looked and played exactly like the ps2 version even though the xbox could do more.

However, in the case of FF13, the game has most likely been in development for PS3 for a lot longer and will more than likely be released on that system first, and then will be ported and released on the 360 later. Now of course this is all just speculation, but I see the lowest-common-denominator problem happening with the PS3 game to be unlikely.

OneWingedAngeI

so you dont find any validity in the claim that the game being multiplatform devalues the ps3? or that many people were stuck between a rock and a hard place when it came to buying the ps3 in terms of it losing backward compatibility if they waited for FFXIII before buying? im curious how that could be invalid.

I don't see how one game can "devalue" a console, PS3 owners will still get to play FF13, so that complaint I don't find value. Anyone worried about backward compatibility should hang on to their PS2, and if there really WERE people who bought a PS3 just for FF13, why couldn't they wait until the game actually came out and THEN get a PS3?

if you read my earlier posts i explain it. if the game were ps3 only, it would produce a major spike in system sales, especially in japan. more systems sold = more people who own the system, and potential future buyers. devs know this and they look at the installed base closely. with the game being multiplatform, less people will buy a ps3 for it, thats a fact.the installed base will not be as large and the platform is less appealing to developers.

and no, anyone worried about BC should not have just held onto their ps2. first off, the ps2 was notorious for disc read errors. most peoples' systems are old by now. not everyone wants to have 5 systems hooked up to their television. and most importantly, we were told the ps3 would be BC.

fast forward to recently, and sony announces BC is being yanked. many people bought the last BC equipped models, believing that the system would carry FFXIII as an exclusive. if you were one who was going to wait for the game you would get an inferior system.

[QUOTE="Ash2X"][QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Finally, just as I said above, when Square took the franchise to nintendo, it took it to a better system to make use of that console's advantages and Sony's ps1 was a new system unlike 360 now! and sony's ps3 is better than 360 in terms of specs unlike NES and PS1 before. I hope I made sense.

CarnageHeart

And again...not really.If you look at the technical specs on the paper this may be right,but in the end not really.Not only because it´s harder to program.There are other small details that require a lot of knowledge about technical stuff.Kinda hard to explain.Plus: If you´re a dev who wants to make a game,which system whould you choose?A powerful one where you got problems to realize your plans or a easy one where you can get better results in less time and make more money on?That´s why Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey aren´t on PS3,

I think it was the only wise Idea to port it,because they whouldn´t make egnough money on the PS3 anyway...there are no egnough sold consoles.New High-Quality-Games are very expensive,too expensive for one just ok-selling console.If one of the consoles make it easier,plus a easy way to give it even to PC-gamers,nobody whould say no without a big paycheck.

MS created Mistwalker, who created BD and LO. I am unaware of the exact nature of the relationship between MS and Mistwalker, but Mistwalker has chosen not to offer games on any competing console (which isn't a big loss since thus far since its much less then the sum of its parts).

However, your point is valid even if your example is not. TriAce's Infinite Undiscovery looks very promising and is X360 exclusive.

Hey,I didn´t know about Infinite Undiscovery´s exclusiveness...I mean I thought it will be Multi.Maybe it changes sooner ot later....well the relationship between Mistwalker and Microsoft is almost none.BD and LO had been a co-production afaik,but Mistwalker isn´t bound to M$.Look at the upcoming Blue Dragon DS.I remember a Interview Mistwalker meant somthing like "we can´t get along with the PS3s Hardware" or something like that.

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"][QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]

After reading through a lot of posts, the only semi-valid complaint I've seen is that there is a small chance that the game might suffer from lowest-common-denominator syndrome. This basically means that a game is made to fit the specs of the less powerful system and then doesn't take advantage of the more powerful one. This happened a lot on games that were multiplatform on PS2 and Xbox, being that the xbox version looked and played exactly like the ps2 version even though the xbox could do more.

However, in the case of FF13, the game has most likely been in development for PS3 for a lot longer and will more than likely be released on that system first, and then will be ported and released on the 360 later. Now of course this is all just speculation, but I see the lowest-common-denominator problem happening with the PS3 game to be unlikely.

UT_Wrestler

so you dont find any validity in the claim that the game being multiplatform devalues the ps3? or that many people were stuck between a rock and a hard place when it came to buying the ps3 in terms of it losing backward compatibility if they waited for FFXIII before buying? im curious how that could be invalid.

I don't see how one game can "devalue" a console, PS3 owners will still get to play FF13, so that complaint I don't find value. Anyone worried about backward compatibility should hang on to their PS2, and if there really WERE people who bought a PS3 just for FF13, why couldn't they wait until the game actually came out and THEN get a PS3?

You can´t expect that from Fanboys,people not reading magazines or the casual PS2-Gamer...they are usually too exited to wait so they buy the console earlier and buy "options"...why do you think all the crappy games sell?

This goes for every console of course,,,

This link has already been posted on pg 2 of the thread, but I think it must have gotten overlooked in the scuffle, because somehow we're still arguing about whether SE will release on multiple dvds for 360 and how that ties into making the game for the "lowest common denominator"...

"However, we have yet to determine how many discs will be required for the 360 version. We'll have to consider the differences between formats."Yoshinori Kitase

I take this to mean that they're already looking at multiple discs, that they're not pinning it down to a maximum, and that they're not planning to sacrifice quality for storage space on one system. It's not spelled out in so many words, but it seems clear enough to me.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"][QUOTE="Ash2X"][QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

Finally, just as I said above, when Square took the franchise to nintendo, it took it to a better system to make use of that console's advantages and Sony's ps1 was a new system unlike 360 now! and sony's ps3 is better than 360 in terms of specs unlike NES and PS1 before. I hope I made sense.

Ash2X

And again...not really.If you look at the technical specs on the paper this may be right,but in the end not really.Not only because it´s harder to program.There are other small details that require a lot of knowledge about technical stuff.Kinda hard to explain.Plus: If you´re a dev who wants to make a game,which system whould you choose?A powerful one where you got problems to realize your plans or a easy one where you can get better results in less time and make more money on?That´s why Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey aren´t on PS3,

I think it was the only wise Idea to port it,because they whouldn´t make egnough money on the PS3 anyway...there are no egnough sold consoles.New High-Quality-Games are very expensive,too expensive for one just ok-selling console.If one of the consoles make it easier,plus a easy way to give it even to PC-gamers,nobody whould say no without a big paycheck.

MS created Mistwalker, who created BD and LO. I am unaware of the exact nature of the relationship between MS and Mistwalker, but Mistwalker has chosen not to offer games on any competing console (which isn't a big loss since thus far since its much less then the sum of its parts).

However, your point is valid even if your example is not. TriAce's Infinite Undiscovery looks very promising and is X360 exclusive.

Hey,I didn´t know about Infinite Undiscovery´s exclusiveness...I mean I thought it will be Multi.Maybe it changes sooner ot later....well the relationship between Mistwalker and Microsoft is almost none.BD and LO had been a co-production afaik,but Mistwalker isn´t bound to M$.Look at the upcoming Blue Dragon DS.I remember a Interview Mistwalker meant somthing like "we can´t get along with the PS3s Hardware" or something like that.

We're getting a bit off topic, but Rare (who is owned outright by MS) supports the DS, so Mistwalker supporting the DS doesn't mean that they aren't tied at the hip to MS.

if you read my earlier posts i explain it. if the game were ps3 only, it would produce a major spike in system sales, especially in japan. more systems sold = more people who own the system, and potential future buyers. devs know this and they look at the installed base closely. with the game being multiplatform, less people will buy a ps3 for it, thats a fact.the installed base will not be as large and the platform is less appealing to developers.

and no, anyone worried about BC should not have just held onto their ps2. first off, the ps2 was notorious for disc read errors. most peoples' systems are old by now. not everyone wants to have 5 systems hooked up to their television. and most importantly, we were told the ps3 would be BC.

fast forward to recently, and sony announces BC is being yanked. many people bought the last BC equipped models, believing that the system would carry FFXIII as an exclusive. if you were one who was going to wait for the game you would get an inferior system.

OneWingedAngeI

FF13 is PS3 exclusive in Japan, its only multiplat in Europe and the US.

While FF may not have the attach ratio outside of Japan it does in Japan, I'd argue its a bigger deal outside of Japan. Even high quality, brilliantly localized jrpgs such as Shadow Hearts Covenant (which could have passed for an FF game, except the plot was weirder and darker and the game was longer) and Persona 3 only put up a fraction of the sales anything with FF in the name (be it Dirge of Cerebrus or FF12) achieves.

Without viewing the rest of the replies: Why are people so upset about FFXIII going multiplatform?

Don't know and don't care. Gives more people a chance to play it so I don't see the issue. Personally I havent enjoyed a FF game since the PS1 era so it's not a big deal for me.

if you read my earlier posts i explain it. if the game were ps3 only, it would produce a major spike in system sales, especially in japan. more systems sold = more people who own the system, and potential future buyers. devs know this and they look at the installed base closely. with the game being multiplatform, less people will buy a ps3 for it, thats a fact.the installed base will not be as large and the platform is less appealing to developers.

and no, anyone worried about BC should not have just held onto their ps2. first off, the ps2 was notorious for disc read errors. most peoples' systems are old by now. not everyone wants to have 5 systems hooked up to their television. and most importantly, we were told the ps3 would be BC.

fast forward to recently, and sony announces BC is being yanked. many people bought the last BC equipped models, believing that the system would carry FFXIII as an exclusive. if you were one who was going to wait for the game you would get an inferior system.

OneWingedAngeI

Okay, yeah of course Sony as a company would be upset. And I'm sure that there's some diehard Sony fanboys who would be upset (I still don't understand the whole "system allegiance", worshipping a box of circuits and wires). But I mean damn, anyone who bought a PS3 is still going to get to play the game, it justs seems like people are blowing out of proportion as if Square decided just to pull it from the PS3 altogether.

What is the big deal about Final Fantasy going multiplatform? I mean, they were not Sony exclusives to begin with because their origin was on Nintendo and FF VII and VIII weren't even PS exclusives. And neither was FF XI.zhivago_x

Haha I was actually about to mention that. Where was all this outrage back when FF7 and 8 got ported to PC?

Haha I was actually about to mention that. Where was all this outrage back when FF7 and 8 got ported to PC?UT_Wrestler

in their defence FF7 and FF8 were horrible ports. ( having played both before owning a PSX but it is true that you did get final fantasy on your PC. yet that argument doesnt hold water cause those were different times and sony and the whole psx franchise was still fighting Nintendo. its much much different now. Sony is now an established console maker which has rose to nintendo's level and the fanboys are just proof.

personally i find the whole thing absurd really. if SE had said it was no longer going to be on the ps3 id understand the uproar but its thats obviously not the case. also the whole issue of M$ spending money to temp SE and other sony exclusive developers, didn't sony spend billions convincing movie studios to change to blue ray? wasnt that in order to crush M$'s HD DVD and the 360 as a HD DVD player(which worked).its called business folks. sony pushes blue ray in an attempt to solidify the ps3 in return M$ buys out the developers to devalue it. this is what happens during console wars. reminds me of the sega vs nintendo days.

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

if you read my earlier posts i explain it. if the game were ps3 only, it would produce a major spike in system sales, especially in japan. more systems sold = more people who own the system, and potential future buyers. devs know this and they look at the installed base closely. with the game being multiplatform, less people will buy a ps3 for it, thats a fact.the installed base will not be as large and the platform is less appealing to developers.

and no, anyone worried about BC should not have just held onto their ps2. first off, the ps2 was notorious for disc read errors. most peoples' systems are old by now. not everyone wants to have 5 systems hooked up to their television. and most importantly, we were told the ps3 would be BC.

fast forward to recently, and sony announces BC is being yanked. many people bought the last BC equipped models, believing that the system would carry FFXIII as an exclusive. if you were one who was going to wait for the game you would get an inferior system.

UT_Wrestler

Okay, yeah of course Sony as a company would be upset. And I'm sure that there's some diehard Sony fanboys who would be upset (I still don't understand the whole "system allegiance", worshipping a box of circuits and wires). But I mean damn, anyone who bought a PS3 is still going to get to play the game, it justs seems like people are blowing out of proportion as if Square decided just to pull it from the PS3 altogether.

you are either not fully reading or not comprehending what i am saying. the system is worth less to the consumers when it has less developer support. its not just sony that would be bothered. this whole thing has nothing to do with fanboyism at all. i really almost consider it flaming to even have the term fanboy thrown around even indirectly. its not a word you even here on the GGD when there is a competent argument going on.

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

if you read my earlier posts i explain it. if the game were ps3 only, it would produce a major spike in system sales, especially in japan. more systems sold = more people who own the system, and potential future buyers. devs know this and they look at the installed base closely. with the game being multiplatform, less people will buy a ps3 for it, thats a fact.the installed base will not be as large and the platform is less appealing to developers.

and no, anyone worried about BC should not have just held onto their ps2. first off, the ps2 was notorious for disc read errors. most peoples' systems are old by now. not everyone wants to have 5 systems hooked up to their television. and most importantly, we were told the ps3 would be BC.

fast forward to recently, and sony announces BC is being yanked. many people bought the last BC equipped models, believing that the system would carry FFXIII as an exclusive. if you were one who was going to wait for the game you would get an inferior system.

CarnageHeart

FF13 is PS3 exclusive in Japan, its only multiplat in Europe and the US.

While FF may not have the attach ratio outside of Japan it does in Japan, I'd argue its a bigger deal outside of Japan. Even high quality, brilliantly localized jrpgs such as Shadow Hearts Covenant (which could have passed for an FF game, except the plot was weirder and darker and the game was longer) and Persona 3 only put up a fraction of the sales anything with FF in the name (be it Dirge of Cerebrus or FF12) achieves.

Actually FF is more famous in the western Regions then in Japan.It´s successful,but nothig compared to Dragon Quest.I always thought FF was the biggest sale in japan but actually it´s pretty much runnig behind Dragon Quest.Japanese prefer more basic games then Europeans or Americans.I one saw the sales lists of almost every part (S-E doesn´t release some) and almost none of them had been really outstanding.They look big first but japanese usually buy more games then anyone else...I just say Dragon Quest 7 sold more units then every FF worldwide,while it´s almost unkown here.So it whouldn´t be a big win for S-E to release it in Japan for 360,the console sales aren´t the best too.Funny thing that almost all of thse customers seem to buy even Oblivion like crazy :P

you are either not fully reading or not comprehending what i am saying. the system is worth less to the consumers when it has less developer support.

OneWingedAngeI

The PS3 didn't lose any third party support.

They lost an exclusive but the game is still being released on the PS3.

There is no loss of developer support.

[QUOTE="zhivago_x"]What is the big deal about Final Fantasy going multiplatform? I mean, they were not Sony exclusives to begin with because their origin was on Nintendo and FF VII and VIII weren't even PS exclusives. And neither was FF XI.UT_Wrestler

Haha I was actually about to mention that. Where was all this outrage back when FF7 and 8 got ported to PC?

Quite a few X360/Xbox games which are commonly thought of as exclusives are also on the PC. Not to say that the PCs aren't great system for playing games (if one has the money to buy a pricey one or the tech expertise to build it yourself) but most people don't think of PCs the same way they think of dedicated consoles.

i really don't care why everyone is pissed about it.

i care that it will benefit me because the xbox 360 is all i have. i don't see anything wrong with it going multiplatform other than people buying a ps3 for just getting ff13. and who buys a $500 game system for one game anyway.

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

you are either not fully reading or not comprehending what i am saying. the system is worth less to the consumers when it has less developer support.

Grammaton-Cleric

The PS3 didn't lose any third party support.

They lost an exclusive but the game is still being released on the PS3.

There is no loss of developer support.

i dont know how you can say that with any kind of certainty. fact is the ps3 will sell less systems because of this move. fact is smaller insalled base always means less support. to what degree we dont know yet. the ps3 is in a critical phase right now where it needs to differentiate itself from the 360, and the single best way to do that is with exclusives. losing arguably the biggest one yet to be released will have an impact.

Regarding people like OWA and myself buying the 60GB console before its gone, instead of waiting for *insert favorite game* to come out to buy the console, that's the consumer's decision and part of Sony's fault for cutting BC on future models.

As for the notion that its MS' fault people are really pushing it there, if there's one to blame its Sony and Square Enix. Sony put itself in this position by launching a very expensive console and SE kept saying how the game was PS3 exclusive until MS offered them a good amount of $$. It was SE decision to accept MS offer or kept the game PS3 exclusive as they were saying.

People need to realize console companies will do anything to outdo its competition, be it steal exclusives, secure them, time exclusives; you name it. People should be upset at Sony and SE for not living up to their word.

Lastly I don't know but it seems to me that some gamers, (I'm not calling out anybody but this might be offensive) were spoiled by the PS2, remember the "RE 4 GC exclusivity"? "GTA timed exclusive"? "Soul Calibur III"? the list goes on and on, well the console had a huge installed base and was very successful which had alot to do, but it seems some PS only owners are getting the feeling of those who only owned an Xbox, or GC last gen. Bring on the heat :wink:

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]

[QUOTE="zhivago_x"]What is the big deal about Final Fantasy going multiplatform? I mean, they were not Sony exclusives to begin with because their origin was on Nintendo and FF VII and VIII weren't even PS exclusives. And neither was FF XI.CarnageHeart

Haha I was actually about to mention that. Where was all this outrage back when FF7 and 8 got ported to PC?

Quite a few X360/Xbox games which are commonly thought of as exclusives are also on the PC. Not to say that the PCs aren't great system for playing games (if one has the money to buy a pricey one or the tech expertise to build it yourself) but most people don't think of PCs the same way they think of dedicated consoles.

what about final fantasy XI, that was released on the xbox 360. And there was a series of other final fantasy games that were released the wii, ds, and gamecube.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"][QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

you are either not fully reading or not comprehending what i am saying. the system is worth less to the consumers when it has less developer support.

OneWingedAngeI

The PS3 didn't lose any third party support.

They lost an exclusive but the game is still being released on the PS3.

There is no loss of developer support.

i dont know how you can say that with any kind of certainty. fact is the ps3 will sell less systems because of this move. fact is smaller insalled base always means less support. to what degree we dont know yet. the ps3 is in a critical phase right now where it needs to differentiate itself from the 360, and the single best way to do that is with exclusives. losing arguably the biggest one yet to be released will have an impact.

Well, my point specifically addressed the loss of developers, and FF13 being released on the XB360 isn't the same as losing a developer.

As to the rest of your "facts", bear in mind that the game hasn't been released yet so nothing is certain. However, if FF13 really does harm the PS3 to the extent you are claiming, that's Sony's fault for having such a paltry lineup or not fighting harder to keep the exclusive.

oh no that wasnt what i was implying at all. what i mean is that the ps3 is not moving as well as it needs to and this adds to that. its the only real high profile system seller type game in the remote future that i can think of, maybe GT5 also but thats it. losing the exclusivity will lose some ps3 sales

i never blamed MS for this at all, in fact the onky people i really blame is sony, but even they had no choice once their system didnt fly off shelves as they had hoped. it doesnt mean i cant be upset about it. i understand the logistics of it and i understand that for square it means more money. it just makes me unhappy about the value of my ps3.

oh no that wasnt what i was implying at all. what i mean is that the ps3 is not moving as well as it needs to and this adds to that. its the only real high profile system seller type game in the remote future that i can think of, maybe GT5 also but thats it. losing the exclusivity will lose some ps3 sales

i never blamed MS for this at all, in fact the onky people i really blame is sony, but even they had no choice once their system didnt fly off shelves as they had hoped. it doesnt mean i cant be upset about it. i understand the logistics of it and i understand that for square it means more money. it just makes me unhappy about the value of my ps3.

OneWingedAngeI

it really shouldn't matter though. you'll still get to play it. and you have final fantasy versus 13.

oh no that wasnt what i was implying at all. what i mean is that the ps3 is not moving as well as it needs to and this adds to that. its the only real high profile system seller type game in the remote future that i can think of, maybe GT5 also but thats it. losing the exclusivity will lose some ps3 sales

i never blamed MS for this at all, in fact the onky people i really blame is sony, but even they had no choice once their system didnt fly off shelves as they had hoped. it doesnt mean i cant be upset about it. i understand the logistics of it and i understand that for square it means more money. it just makes me unhappy about the value of my ps3.

OneWingedAngeI

it really shouldn't matter though. you'll still get to play it. and you have final fantasy versus 13 as a ps3 exclusive.

it shouldnt matter that the ps3 might get less support? why? please explain that. why would it not matter that the ps3 selling less systems could lead to it having less games on it? how does that not matter? why do people have such a hard time understanding this? im not saying it is for certain that the ps3 will be doomed but this surely does not help and i cannot understand why people do not get that.

i understand many on the 360 are happy they can play it and i dont blame them. why does this mean i cannot be unhappy that it may also hurt the ps3 as an attractive system to develop for?

oh no that wasnt what i was implying at all. what i mean is that the ps3 is not moving as well as it needs to and this adds to that. its the only real high profile system seller type game in the remote future that i can think of, maybe GT5 also but thats it. losing the exclusivity will lose some ps3 sales

i never blamed MS for this at all, in fact the onky people i really blame is sony, but even they had no choice once their system didnt fly off shelves as they had hoped. it doesnt mean i cant be upset about it. i understand the logistics of it and i understand that for square it means more money. it just makes me unhappy about the value of my ps3.

OneWingedAngeI

Judging by your sig, I assume you also own a 360. I remember back in the last gen I owned all 3 systems. Resident Evil 4 was supposed to be a gamecube exclusive, but I didn't get upset about the "value" of my gamecube just because it got ported to the PS2; I was actually happy that more people would get the chance to experience a great game. But that's just my way of thinking.

you're making it sound like you work for sony or something. Like i said, who cares if the ps3 isn't selling well. as long as you have a ps3, you should just enjoy the games you get for it, not get mad at the other companies just because they're simply doing business.pjvan67

anyone who owns the system would care if it doesnt sell well, duh. if it doesnt you end up with less games being made for it.

Judging by your sig, I assume you also own a 360. I remember back in the last gen I owned all 3 systems. Resident Evil 4 was supposed to be a gamecube exclusive, but I didn't get upset about the "value" of my gamecube just because it got ported to the PS2; I was actually happy that more people would get the chance to experience a great game. But that's just my way of thinking.UT_Wrestler

well the gamecube wasnt fighting for its life at the time. also this isnt a port later on down the line, itll be a same time US release.

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it shouldnt matter that the ps3 might get less support? why? please explain that. why would it not matter that the ps3 selling less systems could lead to it having less games on it? how does that not matter? why do people have such a hard time understanding this? im not saying it is for certain that the ps3 will be doomed but this surely does not help and i cannot understand why people do not get that.

i understand many on the 360 are happy they can play it and i dont blame them. why does this mean i cannot be unhappy that it may also hurt the ps3 as an attractive system to develop for?

pjvan67

you're making it sound like you work for sony or something. like i said, who cares if the ps3 isn't selling well. you buy game systems to enjoy them, not to boast to other people who don't have a ps3 and can't play certain games. and by all means be unhappy. im not forcing you to be happy for microsoft.

lower hardware sales= less software support = fewer PS3 games

you lose games if you lose developer support. i don't recall SE leaving sony behind and moving to microsoft.pjvan67

i understand the logistics of it and i understand that for square it means more money. it just makes me unhappy about the value of my ps3.

OneWingedAngeI

But losing an exclusive doesn't de-value the PS3. If FF13 had been cancelled for the PS3 then you'd have a point, but technically, the PS3 ia actually the lead system.

I've had a 60GB PS3 since Feb '07 and between a Blueray player, full backwards compatability, and some great AA and AAA exclusives, I think the PS3 has been well worth the money.