Why did a lot of gamers get so pissed off about FF13 going multiplatform?

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[QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="Scatsofrango"]Multiplataform games normally shows a lack of polished finishing. See Iron Man, one of the worse games ever launched...gamingqueen

OK, but I think FPS/RTS games are good only on a PC, and race/combat games on consoles. If you try to adequate different styles on different platforms, NORMALLY the result is not as good as it could be, if it´s a PC only.

Not really. GrimGrmoire was awesome and it was on playstation 2.

Try World In Conflict without a keyboard and mouse, It´s impossible on a console.

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As I said before, because we bought a friggin expensive console and they didn't so it's unfair for them to play the game.

Skylock00

No.

NO.

Sorry, but this mentality is just ridiculous. The scenario you describe about a consumer rebuying a 360 after getting a PS3 would only make sense if FFXIII would be made to be exclusive to the 360 instead of the PS3...but that's not the case. All PS3 owners are still going to get their game.

You aren't owed anything by any third party developers just because you paid more money than someone else for your system. :|

The Multiplatform version is supposed to be for pretty much everywhere but Japan, IIRC, but that's beside the point.

My friend who works in gamestop told me this. It might be for the US only. About FXIII for the 360.

Well U1 said that in my blog. XD she owns a 40GB ps3 though... XD

Edit: I appreciate it if you don't belittle me in your posts again by saying ridiculous mentality.

Try World In Conflict without a keyboard and mouse, It´s impossible on a console.

Scatsofrango

She was simply making a point that there can be a non-PC RTS game that's good.

Many reasons, perceived loss of their system of choice value, fear of release delays because of a port that will take place after the PS3 version has been finished, you name it.

In the end, this only reflects the impending death of 3rd party exclusives, as OWA stated before. With developing budgets skyrocketing, it's only the logical choice to try and reach as many possible costumers.

when has square put out a buggy game? and yeah, i think it would look worse multiplatform. i think mgs4 would have looked worse multiplatform. it is much much easier to develop a game for one set of hardware. it is not a sure thing that the game will come out worse, but i and a lot of others are concerned. there is also the possibility of delay. with a simultaneous release, both versions must be flawless for them to release.

as to your second point, i think you should look around at all the people who are commenting "awesome i have a 360 and now i dont have to buy a ps3 for this game". you and i might not think its a good idea to buy a system for one game, but many people were going to buy it for FFXIII. just like they did for MGS4. the value of the console does lie in the entire library. when you lose exclusivity on a game like FFXIII less people will buy the system. i guarantee it. people on these boards have already said they were going to buy for this game and now dont need to. it devalues the console in that less systems sold = less support. its not sony's ship sinking, but it will have an impact of some sort. look at all the support square is putting behind ms. what happens if the ps3 version is dwarved in sales by the 360 version? where will the next FF game be then? you have to look at the big picture.

OneWingedAngeI

I couldn't tell you. I've only played maybe three games out of the FF series. But the query about Square putting out a buggy game can also be flipped to ask when has Square every put out a game that has been visually lacking by the current gen standards?

And I'm not concerned with what people are saying about not purchasing a PS3 now, because I truly don't believe it. I look at it the same way people have talked about the 360. The majority of people that were going to get a PS3, they already have one.

If the 360 version of FF dwarfs the PS3 version, would that be a bad thing? I don't see how. Because I see the heart of the matter being the continuation of the FF series regardless of which platform it's on. Nintendo lost FF a while back and it has not killed them. I can't see Sony being affected greatly by this move either. They've weathered storms in the past and they'll get by this one. It's the fans that seem to be wilting under this issue.

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Try World In Conflict without a keyboard and mouse, It´s impossible on a console.

Skylock00

She was simply making a point that there can be a non-PC RTS game that's good.

My ridiculous mentality thinks that what's happend between us and Square was an oral contract. They bring games on a system and we buy them.

Well, you can't help but feel sorry for PS3 owners.MetalGear_Ninty

But really, PS3 owners have a high quality, well built piece of hardware that has a wide range of features/functionalities, and still has several high quality exclusives/first party games to be found.

*is still angry*

What's the BC for? Most of those who own a ps2 still have it because Persona 4 and other games are coming on it besides don't they download ps1 games from PSN?

*is still angry*

What's the BC for? Most of those who own a ps2 still have it because Persona 4 and other games are coming on it besides don't they download ps1 games from PSN?

gamingqueen

All PS3s are BC with PS1 games, so I'd only download games from PSN if I don't already own them. Not all PS3s are BC with PS2 games, and I have 50+ games alone in my home in Florida (with more back in Ohio) that I would like to have access to without having to get a system out from storage, and rehook it up/reconfigure my set up every time I need to switch between the platforms.

It's a big deal for me, and now I feel like I'm going to have to drop $500 just so I can have access to this feature.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]Well, you can't help but feel sorry for PS3 owners.Skylock00

But really, PS3 owners have a high quality, well built piece of hardware that has a wide range of features/functionalities, and still has several high quality exclusives/first party games to be found.

Yep, the PS3 as a system is basically sound, although in the long term can only be judged retrospectively when its library is completed.

But stupidly enough, people bought the PS3 in hopes of getting the new and improved sequel to the PS2, yet what they've found, as of yet, is a system that doesn't really offer much of a differing experience to the consoles except a very few stand out games, that to them will not warrant their purchase if they previously knew.

I don't think the problem here is the system, but rather people's deflated expectations.

You should really get a 60 GB. When the update problem occured, only 60 GB systems were safe and weren't affected. gamingqueen

While the PS3 has been performing well in terms of hardware stability, Sony's shuffling of the hardware configuration so many times, and gutting out features is something that's really upset me as a consumer.

basically: "Dammit, I've lost yet another excuse for buying this console."jmthornsburg

Pretty much hits the spot.I whould have said : "Hey,I lost my main reason why I bought a PS3 and feel cheated" and,some are speculating about a dirty port,but the Engine was optimized for all consoles a long time ago.I hope for the PS3-gamers that it does end up the usual way : The 360-Version is smoother and looks a bit better overall.But in this special case and the respection of the whole development-time I don´t think so and think it will be pretty much equal.

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when has square put out a buggy game? and yeah, i think it would look worse multiplatform. i think mgs4 would have looked worse multiplatform. it is much much easier to develop a game for one set of hardware.

Skylock00

There's a good chance that, given how long they've been developing it for just the PS3 in mind that the version being built for that platform will actually go by unscathed, while the 360 will truely be a post-production port, whereas something like GTAIV was something that was, from the onset, being built for the two platforms simultaneously...and even then it's a bad example, as pretty much every one of Rockstar's GTA titles have featured issues regarding stability, frame rate, glitches, and the such, even when they were initially viewed as being 'exclusive' to a particular platform (back when GTAIII was done for the PS2).

As opposed to Sony's console losing value as a result of losing support...well, same thing happened to Nintendo back in the N64 era, Nintendo fans were upset, but the industry moves on. Sony has already said that they're less interested in systems moved as they are in internal profitability regarding at least this year, if I'm not mistaken. If the PS3 sales of FF XIII are dwarfed by 360 sales...well, why is that such a problem, really? Should we have expected FFVII to bomb when it was the first FF that was not on its 'home' platform of Nintendo consoles, so that the franchise would stay on the platform that it 'belongs' to?

This side of the argument is one that I simply don't get. Yes, it sucks to lose a game exclusive to your platform. Yes, it sucks that your platform will probably lose some hardware sales/support as a result...but what does it really matter? Third parties are going to make decisions that benefit /them/ most at the end of the day, not you.

I maintain the stance that realistically, most all game companies generally do not put the consumer first in their actions or plans. All three hardware manufacturers have demonstrated this in some capacity so far this generation, several software companies have shown it as well, and chances are it's only going to get worse.

they also said simultaneous release. that means they will hold off on the ps3 version while they finish the 360 port. i understand you are looking at it from a business standpoint and if i were square i would do the same thing. i just am unhappy about it as a consumer. if the game comes out top notch on the ps3 i will be very happy, but i am not giving the benefit of the doubt. ill applaud them if it happens but until it does i am a skeptic.

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when has square put out a buggy game? and yeah, i think it would look worse multiplatform. i think mgs4 would have looked worse multiplatform. it is much much easier to develop a game for one set of hardware. it is not a sure thing that the game will come out worse, but i and a lot of others are concerned. there is also the possibility of delay. with a simultaneous release, both versions must be flawless for them to release.

as to your second point, i think you should look around at all the people who are commenting "awesome i have a 360 and now i dont have to buy a ps3 for this game". you and i might not think its a good idea to buy a system for one game, but many people were going to buy it for FFXIII. just like they did for MGS4. the value of the console does lie in the entire library. when you lose exclusivity on a game like FFXIII less people will buy the system. i guarantee it. people on these boards have already said they were going to buy for this game and now dont need to. it devalues the console in that less systems sold = less support. its not sony's ship sinking, but it will have an impact of some sort. look at all the support square is putting behind ms. what happens if the ps3 version is dwarved in sales by the 360 version? where will the next FF game be then? you have to look at the big picture.

Ghost_Face

I couldn't tell you. I've only played maybe three games out of the FF series. But the query about Square putting out a buggy game can also be flipped to ask when has Square every put out a game that has been visually lacking by the current gen standards?

And I'm not concerned with what people are saying about not purchasing a PS3 now, because I truly don't believe it. I look at it the same way people have talked about the 360. The majority of people that were going to get a PS3, they already have one.

If the 360 version of FF dwarfs the PS3 version, would that be a bad thing? I don't see how. Because I see the heart of the matter being the continuation of the FF series regardless of which platform it's on. Nintendo lost FF a while back and it has not killed them. I can't see Sony being affected greatly by this move either. They've weathered storms in the past and they'll get by this one. It's the fans that seem to be wilting under this issue.

you can not believe it all you want. do you think ps3 sales would have spiked if mgs4 was on the 360 as well? methinks not. nintendo lost FF a while back and it was a MASSIVE setback. the RPG genre moved into the mainstream and nintendo's 64 got dusted. the gamecube was a failure as well and the wii is a success financially, but as a gamer's machine it is an utter joke. imagine if the N64 had FFVII, this would be a totally different ballgame. third parties dumped nintendo fast for the ps1 and FFVII was a big part of it. especially when at the time japan was the top dog for gaming.

they also said simultaneous release.

OneWingedAngeI

This makes it even more likely, IMHO, that the PS3 version is in fact going to be optimized for the PS3 first and foremost before they worry about the 360 verison

you can not believe it all you want. do you think ps3 sales would have spiked if mgs4 was on the 360 as well? methinks not. nintendo lost FF a while back and it was a MASSIVE setback. the RPG genre moved into the mainstream and nintendo's 64 got dusted. the gamecube was a failure as well and the wii is a success financially, but as a gamer's machine it is an utter joke. imagine if the N64 had FFVII, this would be a totally different ballgame. third parties dumped nintendo fast for the ps1 and FFVII was a big part of it. especially when at the time japan was the top dog for gaming.

OneWingedAngeI

Drawing parallels between those 2 scenarios doesn't hold up when you consider the fact that the FF series still remains a part of the Sony platform just as much as Microsoft's.

Plus Microsoft were stupid enough to let the game stay exclusive in Japan. Shows they've given up there.kulmiye

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they also said simultaneous release.

Skylock00

This makes it even more likely, IMHO, that the PS3 version is in fact going to be optimized for the PS3 first and foremost before they worry about the 360 verison

So the base for the port is not PC to 360 which means there will be a downgrade right?

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

they also said simultaneous release.

Skylock00

This makes it even more likely, IMHO, that the PS3 version is in fact going to be optimized for the PS3 first and foremost before they worry about the 360 verison

well i hope that is correct. i know the day it was announced people were saying a few very different things about the release. if its an afterport thats totally cool.

between those 2 scenarios doesn't hold up when you consider the fact that the FF series still remains a part of the Sony platform just as much as Microsoft's. BladesOfAthena

it holds up fine to what i was responding to, where ghost face was saying nintendo was fine without FF

[QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

they also said simultaneous release.

gamingqueen

This makes it even more likely, IMHO, that the PS3 version is in fact going to be optimized for the PS3 first and foremost before they worry about the 360 verison

So the base for the port is not PC to 360 which means there will be a downgrade right?

They'll finish the Japanese PS3 version first.

THEN they'll do the PC port, and from that, they will derive the 360 version, and when that's done, they'll do the simultaneous release in other regions, if my information is correct.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"][QUOTE="Skylock00"][QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

they also said simultaneous release.

Skylock00

This makes it even more likely, IMHO, that the PS3 version is in fact going to be optimized for the PS3 first and foremost before they worry about the 360 verison

So the base for the port is not PC to 360 which means there will be a downgrade right?

They'll finish the Japanese PS3 version first.

THEN they'll do the PC port, and from that, they will derive the 360 version, and when that's done, they'll do the simultaneous release in other regions, if my information is correct.

Sounds like the wait will be quite a bit longer than the normal 'localization' wait. Good thing I'll have Persona 4 and Infinite Undiscovery to tide me over.

I dont really care about the multi plat but theres a lot of reasons to get upset, like downgrade of some sort (sound, visuals, performance) and the biggy...delaying the PS3 version for really no reason, other than a moneyhat by Microsoft. Them paying so I can't play the game earlier. It sounds like I dont have to worry about a downgrade but the fact that it will most definitely have some sort of delay to meet the simultaneous platform release is disgusting.F1Lengend

you can not believe it all you want. do you think ps3 sales would have spiked if mgs4 was on the 360 as well? methinks not. nintendo lost FF a while back and it was a MASSIVE setback. the RPG genre moved into the mainstream and nintendo's 64 got dusted. the gamecube was a failure as well and the wii is a success financially, but as a gamer's machine it is an utter joke. imagine if the N64 had FFVII, this would be a totally different ballgame. third parties dumped nintendo fast for the ps1 and FFVII was a big part of it. especially when at the time japan was the top dog for gaming.OneWingedAngeI

There were several reasons why Nintendo had setbacks with the N64 other than FF not being on it. I think the most important issues were that it was still a cart based system and the high licensing fees that had game prices similar and higher in some instances than the current generation.

I think the PS3 sales would have spiked regardless if there was a 360 port of the game. Now we can debate on how much, but that is not what you're questioning.

[QUOTE="F1Lengend"]I dont really care about the multi plat but theres a lot of reasons to get upset, like downgrade of some sort (sound, visuals, performance) and the biggy...delaying the PS3 version for really no reason, other than a moneyhat by Microsoft. Them paying so I can't play the game earlier. It sounds like I dont have to worry about a downgrade but the fact that it will most definitely have some sort of delay to meet the simultaneous platform release is disgusting.Archangel3371

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Im all for companies making money on products I support but the PS3 game is just going to be sitting there calling my name when its done. But im going to see how it pans out, if it comes out within 6 months after the Japan release like they are hinting at, than thats cool by me. If it comes out like a year after, well that just sucks. No point in complaining now though.

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"][QUOTE="F1Lengend"]I dont really care about the multi plat but theres a lot of reasons to get upset, like downgrade of some sort (sound, visuals, performance) and the biggy...delaying the PS3 version for really no reason, other than a moneyhat by Microsoft. Them paying so I can't play the game earlier. It sounds like I dont have to worry about a downgrade but the fact that it will most definitely have some sort of delay to meet the simultaneous platform release is disgusting.F1Lengend

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Im all for companies making money on products I support but the PS3 game is just going to be sitting there calling my name when its done. But im going to see how it pans out, if it comes out within 6 months after the Japan release like they are hinting at, than thats cool by me. If it comes out like a year after, well that just sucks. No point in complaining now though.

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]you can not believe it all you want. do you think ps3 sales would have spiked if mgs4 was on the 360 as well? methinks not. nintendo lost FF a while back and it was a MASSIVE setback. the RPG genre moved into the mainstream and nintendo's 64 got dusted. the gamecube was a failure as well and the wii is a success financially, but as a gamer's machine it is an utter joke. imagine if the N64 had FFVII, this would be a totally different ballgame. third parties dumped nintendo fast for the ps1 and FFVII was a big part of it. especially when at the time japan was the top dog for gaming.Ghost_Face

There were several reasons why Nintendo had setbacks with the N64 other than FF not being on it. I think the most important issues were that it was still a cart based system and the high licensing fees that had game prices similar and higher in some instances than the current generation.

I think the PS3 sales would have spiked regardless if there was a 360 port of the game. Now we can debate on how much, but that is not what you're questioning.

im not trying to say that it was the only thing responsible, but it was a noticeable part of it. your other reasons were bigger but imagine if nintendo did have FFVII? i am just saying that nintendo wasn't all fine and dandy without the game.

ps3 sales will spike a bit but i doubt anywhere near as much as they would have if it was an exclusive game. we can debate the logistics all we want but people claiming that it is just a fanboy issue and not a legitimate concern over their investment are only seeing a small portion of online forum whiners in system wars like forums, which do not remotely represent the gaming community as a whole.

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[QUOTE="Archangel3371"][QUOTE="F1Lengend"]I dont really care about the multi plat but theres a lot of reasons to get upset, like downgrade of some sort (sound, visuals, performance) and the biggy...delaying the PS3 version for really no reason, other than a moneyhat by Microsoft. Them paying so I can't play the game earlier. It sounds like I dont have to worry about a downgrade but the fact that it will most definitely have some sort of delay to meet the simultaneous platform release is disgusting.Archangel3371

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Im all for companies making money on products I support but the PS3 game is just going to be sitting there calling my name when its done. But im going to see how it pans out, if it comes out within 6 months after the Japan release like they are hinting at, than thats cool by me. If it comes out like a year after, well that just sucks. No point in complaining now though.

How do we know MS paid off SE to keep the NA version off the streets? Jack Trenton said so in his interview.

You can look at this from the publisher/developer's perspective all you want, but this thread is not about the publisher, it is about us, the consumers and why we feel pissed off.

I will give you some facts that have been mentioned in this thread:

1) the PS3 version of the game will be delayed in the US to coincide with the Xbox 360 version's release, even though the japanese PS3 version wouldve been finished.

2) We still dont have a release date for the game, even for the Japanese version. Which means it's still fairly early in the development, which also means that there will be sacrifices made for the PS3 version.

3) People paid $300 extra to play this game they once thought was a PS3 exclusive. Not everyone is a MGS fan, some did buy it just for FFXIII, so they have the right to be pissed off.

3) People paid $300 extra to play this game they once thought was a PS3 exclusive. Not everyone is a MGS fan, some did buy it just for FFXIII, so they have the right to be pissed off.

S0lidSnake

Why would someone have bought a PS3 just for FF13? There hasn't even been a Japanese release date and the more time that passes, the higher the likelihood of an additional price cut.

How do we know MS paid off SE to keep the NA version off the streets? Jack Trenton said so in his interview.

You can look at this from the publisher/developer's perspective all you want, but this thread is not about the publisher, it is about us, the consumers and why we feel pissed off.

I will give you some facts that have been mentioned in this thread:

1) the PS3 version of the game will be delayed in the US to coincide with the Xbox 360 version's release, even though the japanese PS3 version wouldve been finished.

2) We still dont have a release date for the game, even for the Japanese version. Which means it's still fairly early in the development, which also means that there will be sacrifices made for the PS3 version.

3) People paid $300 extra to play this game they once thought was a PS3 exclusive. Not everyone is a MGS fan, some did buy it just for FFXIII, so they have the right to be pissed off.

S0lidSnake

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3) People paid $300 extra to play this game they once thought was a PS3 exclusive. Not everyone is a MGS fan, some did buy it just for FFXIII, so they have the right to be pissed off.

CarnageHeart

Why would someone have bought a PS3 just for FF13? There hasn't even been a Japanese release date and the more time that passes, the higher the likelihood of an additional price cut.

I bought a PS3 for MGS4 a good year before MGS4 came out. If MGS4 had gone multiplatform, I would be pretty pissed that 360 owners who paid half the price got the same experience.

Dont get me wrong, I'm glad I bought it early. As much as I love Uncharted, heavenly Sword and Warhawk, I didnt know they would be as good as they turned out to be.

I am sure there are people out there who did the same for FFXIII. Correct me If I'm wrong but It was touted by Sony as an exclusive in every E3 conference since E3 2005. Sure most people wait till launch date and hope to get bundle deal(a la MGS4) but then again for a game first appeared in E3 2006, I'm sure some thought that it would've been out by now.

[QUOTE="CarnageHeart"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

3) People paid $300 extra to play this game they once thought was a PS3 exclusive. Not everyone is a MGS fan, some did buy it just for FFXIII, so they have the right to be pissed off.

S0lidSnake

Why would someone have bought a PS3 just for FF13? There hasn't even been a Japanese release date and the more time that passes, the higher the likelihood of an additional price cut.

I bought a PS3 for MGS4 a good year before MGS4 came out. If MGS4 had gone multiplatform, I would be pretty pissed that 360 owners who paid half the price got the same experience.

Dont get me wrong, I'm glad I bought it early. As much as I love Uncharted, heavenly Sword and Warhawk, I didnt know they would be as good as they turned out to be.

I am sure there are people out there who did the same for FFXIII. Correct me If I'm wrong but It was touted by Sony as an exclusive in every E3 conference since E3 2005. Sure most people wait till launch date and hope to get bundle deal(a la MGS4) but then again for a game first appeared in E3 2006, I'm sure some thought that it would've been out by now.

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

3) People paid $300 extra to play this game they once thought was a PS3 exclusive. Not everyone is a MGS fan, some did buy it just for FFXIII, so they have the right to be pissed off.

Archangel3371

Why would someone have bought a PS3 just for FF13? There hasn't even been a Japanese release date and the more time that passes, the higher the likelihood of an additional price cut.

I bought a PS3 for MGS4 a good year before MGS4 came out. If MGS4 had gone multiplatform, I would be pretty pissed that 360 owners who paid half the price got the same experience.

Dont get me wrong, I'm glad I bought it early. As much as I love Uncharted, heavenly Sword and Warhawk, I didnt know they would be as good as they turned out to be.

I am sure there are people out there who did the same for FFXIII. Correct me If I'm wrong but It was touted by Sony as an exclusive in every E3 conference since E3 2005. Sure most people wait till launch date and hope to get bundle deal(a la MGS4) but then again for a game first appeared in E3 2006, I'm sure some thought that it would've been out by now.

how is that absurd????????????

Do you like to pay twice as much for everything that you buy? I sure dont. I'm pissed off that I've to pay $14 to see a movie in NYC, when my brother in Columbus, Ohio is paying $7 with his student discount. You have to understand that not everyone thinks like you do. People have their own opinions and views on everything. Some people are pissed off at this game going multiplatform. yet after 90 posts in this thread, you still haven't found one reason that you find acceptable. I find THAT to be absurd.

Anyway, just for fun, I will give you another reason that you might find absurd. GTA4 was supposedly delayed SIX MONTHS because Rockstar was having difficulty getting the PS3 version to run smoothly. Now that game was also announced as a PS3 exclusive in 2005 and became a multiplatform game in 2006. Now if Rockstar had just concentrated solely on developing it for PS3, that would never have happened. i dont know how big Rockstar's development team is, but MGS4 took 200 people to make. Do the math and tell me if the PS3 version could have been released without a six month delay if Rockstar didn't have the 360 version to worry about. If MGS4 did go multiplatform, and it would've definitely gotten delayed even more, which wouldve definitely pissed me the F off.

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

3) People paid $300 extra to play this game they once thought was a PS3 exclusive. Not everyone is a MGS fan, some did buy it just for FFXIII, so they have the right to be pissed off.

Archangel3371

Why would someone have bought a PS3 just for FF13? There hasn't even been a Japanese release date and the more time that passes, the higher the likelihood of an additional price cut.

I bought a PS3 for MGS4 a good year before MGS4 came out. If MGS4 had gone multiplatform, I would be pretty pissed that 360 owners who paid half the price got the same experience.

Dont get me wrong, I'm glad I bought it early. As much as I love Uncharted, heavenly Sword and Warhawk, I didnt know they would be as good as they turned out to be.

I am sure there are people out there who did the same for FFXIII. Correct me If I'm wrong but It was touted by Sony as an exclusive in every E3 conference since E3 2005. Sure most people wait till launch date and hope to get bundle deal(a la MGS4) but then again for a game first appeared in E3 2006, I'm sure some thought that it would've been out by now.

No, people would be upset because they paid a ton more than they had to to get that particular experience.

Here's a similar scenario:

Super Special Game Iteration Q (SSGIQ) has been announced as an exclusive for the $10,000 WorkStation 3. Millions of people buy the WS3 in anticipation. Then a couple years later, it is confirmed that SSGIQ is also releasing on the $5,000 Zrectangle 360. You hear this after you've bought a WS3 and don't have the money for a Z360 or you are limiting yourself to one console. How do you feel, knowing you could have paid half of what you did to play this game?

Absurd? Nope. And for the purposes of this discussion, let's assume that SSGIQ was the determining factor in which system to get (i.e. neither platform is preferred over the other one due to other exclusives).

And Jack Trenton knows this for a fact how?

What's there to be pissed at? Those who got a PS3 are still getting the game and the PS3 is the lead platform for the game plus the two machines are comparable in performance so I highly doubt the PS3 version will be compromised much if at all. All this worrying about what coulda/shoulda/woulda is pointless with some comments simply bordering on ridiculous. It just seems like a complete waste of time worrying about it. I'm just going to remain content that I have an extra option available to me now and if the game turns out great, which I'm sure it will since it's Final Fantasy after all, then wonderful. I'll pick it up and enjoy it. If not then I'll pass on it and get somthing else instead.Archangel3371

I can't believe you actually said this. Jack Tretton is the CEO of SCEA. It's his job to know things like that. I'm sure SE informed Sony about the deal, and tried to get a bidding war going. But since it's common knowledge that Sony doesn't pay for exclusives anymore, Jack let it happen. Besides, isn't that how you buy off exclusives? I cant believe you are naive enough to think SE made their own decision to go multiplatform without any cash from MS. Anyway here is a couple of quotes by Jack Tretton that point to the fact that MS bought out the exclusivity.

"Tretton said that Sony has "invested so much money in the [PS3] hardware" that it simply "can't write checks for exclusive software."

"Speaking to Gamasutra, Tretton said, "I guess disappointed is clearly an appropriate term. Surprised or consider it to be something that's avoidable? Probably not so much."

"I think Microsoft has spent the majority of their money on trying to curry favor with third parties," Tretton continued, before adding, "I think it's going to be harder and harder to have third-party exclusives as we move forward."

Again, even though currently PS3 is the lead platform for the game, it is still very early in development. A fact proven by SE's replaying of a year old trailer. I dont know if you've played MGS4, but the game has around ten hours of realtime HD cutscenes and uncompressed audio. There is no way it could fit on a dual-layered DVD. SE can't afford to give 360 owners an inferior product, especially now that MS has paid them good, really good. So they do the next best thing; make the PS3 version inferior so it doesn't make the 360 version look bad.

oh and you can also add that to your list of absurd comments.

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

3) People paid $300 extra to play this game they once thought was a PS3 exclusive. Not everyone is a MGS fan, some did buy it just for FFXIII, so they have the right to be pissed off.

S0lidSnake

Why would someone have bought a PS3 just for FF13? There hasn't even been a Japanese release date and the more time that passes, the higher the likelihood of an additional price cut.

I bought a PS3 for MGS4 a good year before MGS4 came out. If MGS4 had gone multiplatform, I would be pretty pissed that 360 owners who paid half the price got the same experience.

Dont get me wrong, I'm glad I bought it early. As much as I love Uncharted, heavenly Sword and Warhawk, I didnt know they would be as good as they turned out to be.

I am sure there are people out there who did the same for FFXIII. Correct me If I'm wrong but It was touted by Sony as an exclusive in every E3 conference since E3 2005. Sure most people wait till launch date and hope to get bundle deal(a la MGS4) but then again for a game first appeared in E3 2006, I'm sure some thought that it would've been out by now.

how is that absurd????????????

Do you like to pay twice as much for everything that you buy? I sure dont. I'm pissed off that I've to pay $14 to see a movie in NYC, when my brother in Columbus, Ohio is paying $7 with his student discount. You have to understand that not everyone thinks like you do. People have their own opinions and views on everything. Some people are pissed off at this game going multiplatform. yet after 90 posts in this thread, you still haven't found one reason that you find acceptable. I find THAT to be absurd.

Anyway, just for fun, I will give you another reason that you might find absurd. GTA4 was supposedly delayed SIX MONTHS because Rockstar was having difficulty getting the PS3 version to run smoothly. Now that game was also announced as a PS3 exclusive in 2005 and became a multiplatform game in 2006. Now if Rockstar had just concentrated solely on developing it for PS3, that would never have happened. i dont know how big Rockstar's development team is, but MGS4 took 200 people to make. Do the math and tell me if the PS3 version could have been released without a six month delay if Rockstar didn't have the 360 version to worry about. If MGS4 did go multiplatform, and it would've definitely gotten delayed even more, which wouldve definitely pissed me the F off.

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"][QUOTE="Archangel3371"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

3) People paid $300 extra to play this game they once thought was a PS3 exclusive. Not everyone is a MGS fan, some did buy it just for FFXIII, so they have the right to be pissed off.

Archangel3371

Why would someone have bought a PS3 just for FF13? There hasn't even been a Japanese release date and the more time that passes, the higher the likelihood of an additional price cut.

I bought a PS3 for MGS4 a good year before MGS4 came out. If MGS4 had gone multiplatform, I would be pretty pissed that 360 owners who paid half the price got the same experience.

Dont get me wrong, I'm glad I bought it early. As much as I love Uncharted, heavenly Sword and Warhawk, I didnt know they would be as good as they turned out to be.

I am sure there are people out there who did the same for FFXIII. Correct me If I'm wrong but It was touted by Sony as an exclusive in every E3 conference since E3 2005. Sure most people wait till launch date and hope to get bundle deal(a la MGS4) but then again for a game first appeared in E3 2006, I'm sure some thought that it would've been out by now.

how is that absurd????????????

Do you like to pay twice as much for everything that you buy? I sure dont. I'm pissed off that I've to pay $14 to see a movie in NYC, when my brother in Columbus, Ohio is paying $7 with his student discount. You have to understand that not everyone thinks like you do. People have their own opinions and views on everything. Some people are pissed off at this game going multiplatform. yet after 90 posts in this thread, you still haven't found one reason that you find acceptable. I find THAT to be absurd.

Anyway, just for fun, I will give you another reason that you might find absurd. GTA4 was supposedly delayed SIX MONTHS because Rockstar was having difficulty getting the PS3 version to run smoothly. Now that game was also announced as a PS3 exclusive in 2005 and became a multiplatform game in 2006. Now if Rockstar had just concentrated solely on developing it for PS3, that would never have happened. i dont know how big Rockstar's development team is, but MGS4 took 200 people to make. Do the math and tell me if the PS3 version could have been released without a six month delay if Rockstar didn't have the 360 version to worry about. If MGS4 did go multiplatform, and it would've definitely gotten delayed even more, which wouldve definitely pissed me the F off.

Fair enough.

P.S You still missed my point about the GTA4 delay. But it's ok.

As I said before, because we bought a friggin expensive console and they didn't so it's unfair for them to play the game. Another reason which is, MS vague policy if it's not only about stealing Sony's exlusive is hurting the consumer's pocket. Consumers don't like to own a console with possible games because I know alot of users who sold their faulty 360 and bought ps3 because it's a secured system and certain games will be available on the ps3. Buying a 360 again after selling their 360 and buying a ps3 sure hurts their pockets.

I pray that they cancel the port. Not sounding mean but just as we bought a $600 system they should do it to if they wanna play the damn game.

Also, I've heard that it will only be availble for US.

gamingqueen

So what you're basically saying is that there is not ONE other decent game that made your ps3 investment worthwhile? And are you really so selfish as to say that millions of gamers with very limited budgets should also have to spend 600 bucks that they don't have, just so you can feel better about yourself?

3) People paid $300 extra to play this game they once thought was a PS3 exclusive. Not everyone is a MGS fan, some did buy it just for FFXIII, so they have the right to be pissed off.

S0lidSnake

Furthermore, regarding the gripes about MS paying SE off for FFXIII...um, it takes two for that sort of agreement to work. If SE was really serious about keeping their game exclusive to Sony, they could have said no to the offers. Blame MS if you want, but also be sure to blame SE for that matter as well.

[QUOTE="Archangel3371"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"][QUOTE="CarnageHeart"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

3) People paid $300 extra to play this game they once thought was a PS3 exclusive. Not everyone is a MGS fan, some did buy it just for FFXIII, so they have the right to be pissed off.

Angry_Beaver

Why would someone have bought a PS3 just for FF13? There hasn't even been a Japanese release date and the more time that passes, the higher the likelihood of an additional price cut.

I bought a PS3 for MGS4 a good year before MGS4 came out. If MGS4 had gone multiplatform, I would be pretty pissed that 360 owners who paid half the price got the same experience.

Dont get me wrong, I'm glad I bought it early. As much as I love Uncharted, heavenly Sword and Warhawk, I didnt know they would be as good as they turned out to be.

I am sure there are people out there who did the same for FFXIII. Correct me If I'm wrong but It was touted by Sony as an exclusive in every E3 conference since E3 2005. Sure most people wait till launch date and hope to get bundle deal(a la MGS4) but then again for a game first appeared in E3 2006, I'm sure some thought that it would've been out by now.

No, people would be upset because they paid a ton more than they had to to get that particular experience.

Here's a similar scenario:

Super Special Game Iteration Q (SSGIQ) has been announced as an exclusive for the $10,000 WorkStation 3. Millions of people buy the WS3 in anticipation. Then a couple years later, it is confirmed that SSGIQ is also releasing on the $5,000 Zrectangle 360. You hear this after you've bought a WS3 and don't have the money for a Z360 or you are limiting yourself to one console. How do you feel, knowing you could have paid half of what you did to play this game?

Absurd? Nope. And for the purposes of this discussion, let's assume that SSGIQ was the determining factor in which system to get (i.e. neither platform is preferred over the other one due to other exclusives).

Many true fanboys believe Sqaure sold out because they went multiplatform. EmptySki

ok yeah see if this is factual that microsoft paid SE off to hold the game back so they could release a 360 version i am furious. it is such bs and while ive supported SE mostly, even when they rip us off on ports, this just takes the cake.

i dont blame MS at all actually. SE was the one with the choice and they blew smoke up our behinds for a while now. they had to have known this for at least the last year or so but continued the facade that it was exclusive. tbh i probably wouldnt have bought a ps3 without FFXIII being exclusive (not yet anyway, i could have waited out a price drop). i didnt buy the system FOR FFXIII, but was a major factor in the justification (along with the fact that i got the best model at an insane price). im so mad right now i could spit. it's not even the money at this point, its the principle.dont tell me its an exclusive if you are open to it being multiplatform, and dont screw over ps3 owners so that 360 owners can get the game the same day.

we would probably be playing it by now if it wasnt for this trash.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

As I said before, because we bought a friggin expensive console and they didn't so it's unfair for them to play the game. Another reason which is, MS vague policy if it's not only about stealing Sony's exlusive is hurting the consumer's pocket. Consumers don't like to own a console with possible games because I know alot of users who sold their faulty 360 and bought ps3 because it's a secured system and certain games will be available on the ps3. Buying a 360 again after selling their 360 and buying a ps3 sure hurts their pockets.

I pray that they cancel the port. Not sounding mean but just as we bought a $600 system they should do it to if they wanna play the damn game.

Also, I've heard that it will only be availble for US.

UT_Wrestler

So what you're basically saying is that there is not ONE other decent game that made your ps3 investment worthwhile? And are you really so selfish as to say that millions of gamers with very limited budgets should also have to spend 600 bucks that they don't have, just so you can feel better about yourself?

Hey UT, ever feel like we're too old to be here anymore ...?

ok yeah see if this is factual that microsoft paid SE off to hold the game back so they could release a 360 version i am furious. it is such bs and while ive supported SE mostly, even when they rip us off on ports, this just takes the cake.

i dont blame MS at all actually. SE was the one with the choice and they blew smoke up our behinds for a while now. they had to have known this for at least the last year or so but continued the facade that it was exclusive. tbh i probably wouldnt have bought a ps3 without FFXIII being exclusive (not yet anyway, i could have waited out a price drop). i didnt buy the system FOR FFXIII, but was a major factor in the justification (along with the fact that i got the best model at an insane price). im so mad right now i could spit. it's not even the money at this point, its the principle.dont tell me its an exclusive if you are open to it being multiplatform, and dont screw over ps3 owners so that 360 owners can get the game the same day.

we would probably be playing it by now if it wasnt for this trash.

OneWingedAngeI

There are so many things being mentioned here as fact that simply cannot be sourced that its ridiculous. That's why so many comments here sound like crying over spilt milk.

In interviews I've read with ... you know, forget that. Here's a link and quotes:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168827

1UP: Will the development of FFXIII for Xbox 360 result in a delay for the PS3 version in Japan?

Shinji Hashimoto: No, the development of a 360 version won't necessarily affect the PS3 version, purely because the PS3 game will be completed first. That's been in development for some time and is still on schedule. And, really, since we haven't ever announced any sort of release date...then it couldn't really be "delayed," right?

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168776

1UP: With the gap between the Japanese and North American versions of FFXIII, will you use that extra time to create additional material for the North American versions -- which usually ends up back in Japan as an "International Edition"?

Yoshinori Kitase: Until now, the Japanese versions of Final Fantasy would release in Japan, and then six months later, the North American version would be released, and then another three to six months later, the European versions would ship -- so there was usually a gap of almost a year by the time every territory got their version of the latest Final Fantasy. That's why we'd include new features or elements. But with FFXIII, we're aiming to decrease that gap and lessen the window, so there are no particular additions planned for the U.S. version.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168716

The company's in the dark even on technical considerations. "The content will be the same on both platforms," said Kitase. "However, we have yet to determine how many discs will be required for the 360 version. We'll have to consider the differences between formats. Currently the game is being built on PC, where it's actually functional. We're still focusing on making it work on PS3, so it's difficult to know how long the process of taking it to 360 will take."

But don't despair, Final Fantasy fans; the conference wasn't all cautious no-comments and bad news. The move to Crystal Tools seems to be serving a dual purpose; not only will FFXIII be appearing on 360, but the development process has reportedly sped up. "Now that we're developing on a PC base, the pace is going a bit faster," Kitase said. "We haven't introduced new footage of the game, but we should be able to show something new in the near future."