Why did a lot of gamers get so pissed off about FF13 going multiplatform?

an example is, look at the RPG support that the 360 is already getting. look back to last generation and what happened with RPGs on the 2 systems. everything was on the ps2. now you have mistwalker stuff on the 360 exclusively, even some squaresoft stuff like infinite undiscovery. who is to say that after FFXIII appears on the 360, more developers won't consider the 360?

there could also be devs who are looking for the best installed base to bring their games to. they saw a spike with mgs4. they probably anticipated another with FFXIII. now, not so much. the 360 is looking pretty appealing at this point.

im not claiming the end of the line for sony by any means, im just saying from a ps3 owner perspective it is not positive in any fashion.

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

i understand the logistics of it and i understand that for square it means more money. it just makes me unhappy about the value of my ps3.

Grammaton-Cleric

But losing an exclusive doesn't de-value the PS3. If FF13 had been cancelled for the PS3 then you'd have a point, but technically, the PS3 ia actually the lead system.

I've had a 60GB PS3 since Feb '07 and between a Blueray player, full backwards compatability, and some great AA and AAA exclusives, I think the PS3 has been well worth the money.

i dont think its a worthless system, but i dont think it will be as attractive to 3rd parties now as it would have been with FFXIII exclusive. that is all i am saying. i still like my ps3 a lot and actually prefer it to my 360 currently.

I think people are deliberately missing his point now.

lower hardware sales= less software support = fewer PS3 games

rragnaar

Personally, I never saw FF13 going to 360 as that big of a deal. Sure in a gaming message board everyone makes it look like the end of the world, but outside, I doubt this amounts to much of anything. MS has already dealt much larger blows to Sony that make this seem like a drop in the bucket in comparison. GTA4 being a much more important example.

If people really want to continue to get mad about Sony's situation, then they should go back to complaining about the price it launched at. Sony sealed its own fate long ago. The rest of what is happening is only what was inevitable after that.

an example is, look at the RPG support that the 360 is already getting. look back to last generation and what happened with RPGs on the 2 systems. everything was on the ps2. now you have mistwalker stuff on the 360 exclusively, even some squaresoft stuff like infinite undiscovery. who is to say that after FFXIII appears on the 360, more developers won't consider the 360?

there could also be devs who are looking for the best installed base to bring their games to. they saw a spike with mgs4. they probably anticipated another with FFXIII. now, not so much. the 360 is looking pretty appealing at this point.

im not claiming the end of the line for sony by any means, im just saying from a ps3 owner perspective it is not positive in any fashion.

OneWingedAngeI

the exlusives are only there because MS pays them to be exclusive. Would a japanese company release high-budget games for a system that is dead in their own country? Doubtful!

However, for every PS3 game going multiplat it's a huge blow to Sony. I think it's time Sony start flashing with their wallet. GTA4 and FFXIII should've exclusives. Major screwup on Sonys side.

But that's the same reason PS3 first-party line-up is so bigger. Sony wants to invest in first-party as they no longer want to be dependant on Third-party

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

an example is, look at the RPG support that the 360 is already getting. look back to last generation and what happened with RPGs on the 2 systems. everything was on the ps2. now you have mistwalker stuff on the 360 exclusively, even some squaresoft stuff like infinite undiscovery. who is to say that after FFXIII appears on the 360, more developers won't consider the 360?

there could also be devs who are looking for the best installed base to bring their games to. they saw a spike with mgs4. they probably anticipated another with FFXIII. now, not so much. the 360 is looking pretty appealing at this point.

im not claiming the end of the line for sony by any means, im just saying from a ps3 owner perspective it is not positive in any fashion.

azad_champ

the exlusives are only there because MS pays them to be exclusive. Would a japanese company release high-budget games for a system that is dead in their own country? Doubtful!

However, for every PS3 game going multiplat it's a huge blow to Sony. I think it's time Sony start flashing with their wallet. GTA4 and FFXIII should've exclusives. Major screwup on Sonys side.

But that's the same reason PS3 first-party line-up is so bigger. Sony wants to invest in first-party as they no longer want to be dependant on Third-party

Everyone always says that M$ pays for all exclusives...just because Bill Gates is rich,doesn´t mean they buy everything.You can make more money with the 360.The development is easier,so it is cheaper.A PC port is easy too.What you want more as a dev?

Sonys first screw-up was the technical side..just a bit more investment and development the PS3 had been easy to program and a easy win on the graphical side against the 360...but they didn´t.

Sonys second screw-up was the high starting price.Of course it was because of the BR-Rom,wich sold the most Consoles (but not the games) and the most expensive part on the console itself.Maybe they should have looked for a medium thats full fleshed out,it could have be less problematic (HDD-Installations and stuff like that)-

Sonys third screw-up was arguing with developers and blocking their creativity...some had been annoyed and now developing for people who support them and not only developing for Sony (look at Mistwalker).They became too arrogant.They even said 360´s FFXIII was no loss...I think they didn´t get it or they really belive what they´re saying,but then they really need a reality-check.

Of course it´s bad for the PS3 customer.But they need to live with it,just like Saturn/DC owners like me had to.And after all it´s not THAT bad.But if SOny continues their line,they´re doomed...and it´s their own fault.The one with the biggest plus is Nintendo right now...with crap if I can say so.Why?They´re arrogant,but they sell their system clever.And they kept out of the fight with the powerful consoles telling people it´s the best thing on earth.It worked.

Sonys third screw-up was arguing with developers and blocking their creativity...

Ash2X

The other stuff you say has merit. This does not. I don't see how you could look at the games that they bring to the market and assume that Sony discourages creativity. From where I stand they take more risks with their first party lineup than anyone else in the industry.

well its not microsoft's fault that the xbox 360 is, gamewise, better than the ps3. thats why i didn't buy one. there weren't many good titles to start out with and i didn't feel like waiting for all those cool games to come out. the ps3 has some pretty good exclusives too, like killzone 2, god of war 3, mgs4. one rpg for the 360 didn't stay exclusive to microsoft. it eventually went to ps3 as well. i didn't care whether or not the 360 will sell.pjvan67

Killzone 2 will be the biggest let down in gaming history (bigger then Assassins Creed), it won't come close to any of the decent FPS out there. Remember the first? All the hype it had, people said it would be better then Halo and it turned out to be utterly boring, slow and just a horrible shooter. The developers are the problem which means Killzone 2 will be a big dissapointment. Take Killzone 2 from your "Good Exclusiv" list.

Killzone 2 will be the biggest let down in gaming history (bigger then Assassins Creed), it won't come close to any of the decent FPS out there. Remember the first? All the hype it had, people said it would be better then Halo and it turned out to be utterly boring, slow and just a horrible shooter. The developers are the problem which means Killzone 2 will be a big dissapointment. Take Killzone 2 from your "Good Exclusiv" list.

Englandfc1966

Well, Assassin's Creed was my favorite game of last year (and I played just about every AAA game released) so let's not pretend that your evaluation of the game is universal.

As to Killzone 2, it already looks head and shoulders above the original. Whether or not it will live up to the hype is another matter entirely, but considering that none of us have played it yet, I think your complete dismissal of the game is premature.

As far as blame goes, you cant blame sony..what could they have done? When M$ starts throwing its astronomical, near limitless amounts of money around there is nothing you can do to stop them. M$ 2007 revenue was about $56 billion and the ENTIRE GAME INDUSTRY only made about $21 billion. How the **** do you compete with a company that could buy the entire industry twice every year? There is no competing with them..they will own everything soon.oldscratch82

Im glad Sony didnt spend a dime on keeping it, or GTA for that matter. You can actually create completely new games in house for money other people willingly dish out. Its not worth it.

[QUOTE="oldscratch82"]As far as blame goes, you cant blame sony..what could they have done? When M$ starts throwing its astronomical, near limitless amounts of money around there is nothing you can do to stop them. M$ 2007 revenue was about $56 billion and the ENTIRE GAME INDUSTRY only made about $21 billion. How the **** do you compete with a company that could buy the entire industry twice every year? There is no competing with them..they will own everything soon.F1Lengend

Im glad Sony didnt spend a dime on keeping it, or GTA for that matter. You can actually create completely new games in house for money other people willingly dish out. Its not worth it.

Well no matter what Square is going to keep making Final Fantasy games. Many true fanboys believe Sqaure sold out because they went multiplatform. People are mad because there isnt really any exclusive games for 360 and ps3 anymore. 360 has halo and gears for its main exclusives while ps3 has resistance and metal gear and uncharted. I would have liked to see ff13 just on the ps3 as well. And reading the mgs4 npd article on gamespot, exclusive titles help sell systems. I still believe ff13 will do better on the ps3 because there are more fans of ff that own sony systems.EmptySki

[QUOTE="azad_champ"][QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"]

an example is, look at the RPG support that the 360 is already getting. look back to last generation and what happened with RPGs on the 2 systems. everything was on the ps2. now you have mistwalker stuff on the 360 exclusively, even some squaresoft stuff like infinite undiscovery. who is to say that after FFXIII appears on the 360, more developers won't consider the 360?

there could also be devs who are looking for the best installed base to bring their games to. they saw a spike with mgs4. they probably anticipated another with FFXIII. now, not so much. the 360 is looking pretty appealing at this point.

im not claiming the end of the line for sony by any means, im just saying from a ps3 owner perspective it is not positive in any fashion.

Ash2X

the exlusives are only there because MS pays them to be exclusive. Would a japanese company release high-budget games for a system that is dead in their own country? Doubtful!

However, for every PS3 game going multiplat it's a huge blow to Sony. I think it's time Sony start flashing with their wallet. GTA4 and FFXIII should've exclusives. Major screwup on Sonys side.

But that's the same reason PS3 first-party line-up is so bigger. Sony wants to invest in first-party as they no longer want to be dependant on Third-party

Everyone always says that M$ pays for all exclusives...just because Bill Gates is rich,doesn´t mean they buy everything.You can make more money with the 360.The development is easier,so it is cheaper.A PC port is easy too.What you want more as a dev?

Sonys first screw-up was the technical side..just a bit more investment and development the PS3 had been easy to program and a easy win on the graphical side against the 360...but they didn´t.

Sonys second screw-up was the high starting price.Of course it was because of the BR-Rom,wich sold the most Consoles (but not the games) and the most expensive part on the console itself.Maybe they should have looked for a medium thats full fleshed out,it could have be less problematic (HDD-Installations and stuff like that)-

Sonys third screw-up was arguing with developers and blocking their creativity...some had been annoyed and now developing for people who support them and not only developing for Sony (look at Mistwalker).They became too arrogant.They even said 360´s FFXIII was no loss...I think they didn´t get it or they really belive what they´re saying,but then they really need a reality-check.

Of course it´s bad for the PS3 customer.But they need to live with it,just like Saturn/DC owners like me had to.And after all it´s not THAT bad.But if SOny continues their line,they´re doomed...and it´s their own fault.The one with the biggest plus is Nintendo right now...with crap if I can say so.Why?They´re arrogant,but they sell their system clever.And they kept out of the fight with the powerful consoles telling people it´s the best thing on earth.It worked.

kinda ignorant post.

1. Yes, MS has even admitted that they pay for exclusives. Even if it seems unethical for a 360 fan, that's how the system works. Sony has said that you can't do much when MS sends a truckload of money to the third-party. And you really expect third-party japanese devs to release exclusive games on a system that is dead in their own country?!Japanese devs don't care as much as you may think about western console sales. They usually only focus on Japan.

2. You do realize that PS3 is harder to develop for because it's technically superior. Just look at MGS4.

3. Yes, PS3's starting price was too high.Wont argue here

4. Yet again, MS bought Mistwalker. And blocking creativity.....LBP,Flow,Patapon,Fat princess, Eye of Judgment and more. No, Sony does not have a reputation for blocking creativity.

If Sony continues their line, their doomed? That's why the PS3 has started to outsell the 360 so badly these past months...

im not claiming the end of the line for sony by any means, im just saying from a ps3 owner perspective it is not positive in any fashion.

OneWingedAngeI

When the next-gen race began, I thought Sony would be the haven for RPG`ers.

Not anymore.

Right now, the 360 are great for RPGs, as well as the DS.

[QUOTE="EmptySki"]Well no matter what Square is going to keep making Final Fantasy games. Many true fanboys believe Sqaure sold out because they went multiplatform. People are mad because there isnt really any exclusive games for 360 and ps3 anymore. 360 has halo and gears for its main exclusives while ps3 has resistance and metal gear and uncharted. I would have liked to see ff13 just on the ps3 as well. And reading the mgs4 npd article on gamespot, exclusive titles help sell systems. I still believe ff13 will do better on the ps3 because there are more fans of ff that own sony systems.Toriko42

Basically, first party.

As far as blame goes, you cant blame sony..what could they have done? When M$ starts throwing its astronomical, near limitless amounts of money around there is nothing you can do to stop them. M$ 2007 revenue was about $56 billion and the ENTIRE GAME INDUSTRY only made about $21 billion. How the **** do you compete with a company that could buy the entire industry twice every year? There is no competing with them..they will own everything soon.oldscratch82

I always used to joke that all Microsoft has to do is buy out every major developer to win the console war. They could do it to, and the scary thing is, they won't lose any money.

2. You do realize that PS3 is harder to develop for because it's technically superior. Just look at MGS4.

azad_champ

This has absolutely zero merit. The PS2 was a nightmare to code, and it was the weakest of the three last-gen consoles. Developers yelled and screamed about it a lot in particular when it first hit, the only difference was that they had to deal with it since it was the leading platform. It doesn't seem like the PS3 is as tough to develop for if we just go by conjecture and anecdotal evidence, but it definitely doesn't have developers shouting about ease of development from the rooftops, either.

1. And you really expect third-party japanese devs to release exclusive games on a system that is dead in their own country?!Japanese devs don't care as much as you may think about western console sales. They usually only focus on Japan.

azad_champ

Exclusively? No.

But Japanese developers (most recently Square and Capcom) have stated publicly that they had been guilty of focusing too much on Japan in previous years, and would adopt more "global" strategies. Japan has become a nightmare for traditional game-makers. Release a conventional game over there and it may do well, or it may bomb -- ignored in favor of a Wii game with motion controls.

I'd say actually the opposite is happening. Japanese game-makers have never been more open-minded to making their games to appeal to Europeans and North Americans. I think audience size is a good part of it, but I also think Japan has marginalized itself somewhat by becoming less predictable with what they want.

I bought a PS3 for MGS4 a good year before MGS4 came out. If MGS4 had gone multiplatform, I would be pretty pissed that 360 owners who paid half the price got the same experience. S0lidSnake

I certainly don't mean to insult you, but buying a PS3 for one game, a year before the game comes out, is not the smartest decision. As we should all know by know, there could've been price cuts in that year. You would have benefitted from waiting until the game came out and paid less for the PS3. Also in that year, things could've changed, like they did with FF13.

how is that absurd????????????

Do you like to pay twice as much for everything that you buy? I sure dont. I'm pissed off that I've to pay $14 to see a movie in NYC, when my brother in Columbus, Ohio is paying $7.S0lidSnake

No one likes to pay more, but you can help bring down your expenses. You live in NYC. Everything is expensive there (I just recently moved from NY). You honestly cannot get mad that your brother pays less for a movie ticket, if you do, you should move. Because you should know that NY is expensive.

Just like buying a PS3 for one game. If you already bought a PS3 for FF13, then you're a sucker. A release date has not been announced. Console prices drop. Games get delayed all the time. Knowing those things, there's absolutely no reason anyone should buy a PS3 now, for a game that's so far off its release. In this case, the game is going multiplat.

Your anger should be pointed at yourself for buying something that's guaranteed to be cheaper in the future.

I can think of one, legitimate reason to be annoyed, people who bought a PS3 solely because they thought FF13 would only be on that, have now wasted their money, if they already have an Xbox 360.

Unfortunately, most people are just mad because they're fanboys who can't stand "the enemy" getting to play one of their big games too.

well there is a fair chance that without FFXIII being exclusive i might not have bought a ps3 to begin with. i didnt buy the system purely for it, but without that game i probably wouldnt have had enough justification to buy it. i think there is more to it though. i am looking further ahead at the long term success of each system. i would like to see the ps3 succeed in spite of nintendo's casual movement. the worse the ps3 does and the more wii continues its casual crusade, it sends a bad message to console makers for next generation.

i also, as mentioned earlier, fear for the quality of the series in future iterations. final fantasy has always been an exclusive series. not contractually, but it has always been put out on one system. okay it later got ported to the pc, and that is cool. it seems this time that the game will be developed for the ps3 and then ported, but it is being done in such a bad way. there is no question, i know i have no factual proof, but i have no doubt that the game will be delayed in some way because of the porting. square just wont tell us a release date and tell us it wasnt delayed, but i think we are all intelligent enough to know that there will be some slowdown in an already very slow release.

and what about the next FF game? will it be another GTAIV? like i said ff was always designed with one system in mind. if the next one is multiplatform from the get go, will the product suffer? will it be as highly polished as it would have as an exclusive?

[QUOTE="F1Lengend"]

[QUOTE="oldscratch82"]As far as blame goes, you cant blame sony..what could they have done? When M$ starts throwing its astronomical, near limitless amounts of money around there is nothing you can do to stop them. M$ 2007 revenue was about $56 billion and the ENTIRE GAME INDUSTRY only made about $21 billion. How the **** do you compete with a company that could buy the entire industry twice every year? There is no competing with them..they will own everything soon.GodModeEnabled

Im glad Sony didnt spend a dime on keeping it, or GTA for that matter. You can actually create completely new games in house for money other people willingly dish out. Its not worth it.

Oh for sure. From a business stand point its hard to say if its better to dish out money to keep something exlusive but I would think Sony not securing FF13 is a terrible decision, just because I doubt they could create something as big as FF, especially since its got so few JRPGS which was a big reason for PS2s success.

However, from a gamers perspective, im glad they do not take that route cause we wouldn't be getting all these first party games that are turning out really well.

OWA thats another good point, the release of FF13 might not be hindered to much by it going multiplat but future FF titles (if also multiplat) would most definitely be hindered in some fashion.

[QUOTE="Ash2X"]

Sonys third screw-up was arguing with developers and blocking their creativity...

rragnaar

The other stuff you say has merit. This does not. I don't see how you could look at the games that they bring to the market and assume that Sony discourages creativity. From where I stand they take more risks with their first party lineup than anyone else in the industry.

I talk about the PS2-generations,which also had damaged Sony.Did you wonder why almost all 2D-Games stayed in Japan even if it´s other parts sold good in western regions?Or the calm death of Working Designs who had to fight months to release Growlanser Generations?Blocking creativity is amybe too much (after all we go Katamari) but they said whats released and what stays out of their maket:And Sony wanted to sell a 3D-Console.In the end some devs made it (look at Disgaea) but the number is laughable.Actually this stuff is the reason why S-E lost it´s programmers.Sony dictated and S-E followed.They had no other option because the PS2 was almost alone on the market.This changed now.If it wasn´t so I bet Mistwalker mabe had at east ported the in-japan-successful Blue Dragon.

i also, as mentioned earlier, fear for the quality of the series in future iterations. final fantasy has always been an exclusive series. not contractually, but it has always been put out on one system. okay it later got ported to the pc, and that is cool. it seems this time that the game will be developed for the ps3 and then ported, but it is being done in such a bad way. there is no question, i know i have no factual proof, but i have no doubt that the game will be delayed in some way because of the porting. square just wont tell us a release date and tell us it wasnt delayed, but i think we are all intelligent enough to know that there will be some slowdown in an already very slow release.

OneWingedAngeI

A valid point, but remember -- Final Fantasy VII was released on the PS1 (a system that was technically inferior to the N64) despite a long-standing relationship with Nintendo. They released it on the platform because of space constraints (cart vs. cd), Nintendo's crappy third-party relations, and poor N64 sales (and a later launch) in relation the Playstation.

Final Fantasy has done just fine for itself for two generations running on the weakest hardware available at the time. As for delays, FF X came out in 2001 in the U.S., while FFXII came out in 2006 (I think) in the U.S. -- that's five years between games, although they had FFX-2 and the uber-crappy FF XI released in the meantime. But it was still five years between proper, offline, non-spinoff Final Fantasy games. Doesn't FFXIII have an '08-'09 release? That puts it out in less time than the gap between X and XII on an exclusive platform.

[QUOTE="rragnaar"][QUOTE="Ash2X"]

Sonys third screw-up was arguing with developers and blocking their creativity...

Ash2X

The other stuff you say has merit. This does not. I don't see how you could look at the games that they bring to the market and assume that Sony discourages creativity. From where I stand they take more risks with their first party lineup than anyone else in the industry.

I talk about the PS2-generations,which also had damaged Sony.Did you wonder why almost all 2D-Games stayed in Japan even if it´s other parts sold good in western regions?Or the calm death of Working Designs who had to fight months to release Growlanser Generations?Blocking creativity is amybe too much (after all we go Katamari) but they said whats released and what stays out of their maket:And Sony wanted to sell a 3D-Console.In the end some devs made it (look at Disgaea) but the number is laughable.Actually this stuff is the reason why S-E lost it´s programmers.Sony dictated and S-E followed.They had no other option because the PS2 was almost alone on the market.This changed now.If it wasn´t so I bet Mistwalker mabe had at east ported the in-japan-successful Blue Dragon.

A valid point, but remember -- Final Fantasy VII was released on the PS1 (a system that was technically inferior to the N64) despite a long-standing relationship with Nintendo. They released it on the platform because of space constraints (cart vs. cd), Nintendo's crappy third-party relations, and poor N64 sales (and a later launch) in relation the Playstation.

Final Fantasy has done just fine for itself for two generations running on the weakest hardware available at the time. As for delays, FF X came out in 2001 in the U.S., while FFXII came out in 2006 (I think) in the U.S. -- that's five years between games, although they had FFX-2 and the uber-crappy FF XI released in the meantime. But it was still five years between proper, offline, non-spinoff Final Fantasy games. Doesn't FFXIII have an '08-'09 release? That puts it out in less time than the gap between X and XII on an exclusive platform.

Shame-usBlackley

my concern isnt so much which platform its on, but more so that they focus on one platform. they have more than proven they can get more out of a system than most other developers. trying to do it on two systems at once could prove difficult however and if nothing else would require much more resources, or a division of the resources they already have. if they go ahead and hire another team it costs more money. if they split the teams they have they cannot possibly work as fast.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

A valid point, but remember -- Final Fantasy VII was released on the PS1 (a system that was technically inferior to the N64) despite a long-standing relationship with Nintendo. They released it on the platform because of space constraints (cart vs. cd), Nintendo's crappy third-party relations, and poor N64 sales (and a later launch) in relation the Playstation.

Final Fantasy has done just fine for itself for two generations running on the weakest hardware available at the time. As for delays, FF X came out in 2001 in the U.S., while FFXII came out in 2006 (I think) in the U.S. -- that's five years between games, although they had FFX-2 and the uber-crappy FF XI released in the meantime. But it was still five years between proper, offline, non-spinoff Final Fantasy games. Doesn't FFXIII have an '08-'09 release? That puts it out in less time than the gap between X and XII on an exclusive platform.

OneWingedAngeI

my concern isnt so much which platform its on, but more so that they focus on one platform. they have more than proven they can get more out of a system than most other developers. trying to do it on two systems at once could prove difficult however and if nothing else would require much more resources, or a division of the resources they already have. if they go ahead and hire another team it costs more money. if they split the teams they have they cannot possibly work as fast.

Just THINK of how much better this game could be if he were only getting those vitamins!

Things happen in development that are not always ideal for the team. Whether the producers are forcing creative changes to meet the desires of a certain demographic, whether there is a deadline keeping features out of the game that otherwise would have made it in, whether there is development for multiple platforms, changing directors throughout iteration of the series, or even something as miniscule as the team not getting enough rest causing more issues to be overlooked.

You have to learn to enjoy whatever product they put out for what it is and quit thinking about every little thing.

You have to learn to enjoy whatever product they put out for what it is and quit thinking about every little thing.

Mash_Affect

There is a lot of truth in this. People can get really hung up on the behind the scenes stuff and forget to simply enjoy playing games.

[QUOTE="Mash_Affect"]

You have to learn to enjoy whatever product they put out for what it is and quit thinking about every little thing.

rragnaar

There is a lot of truth in this. People can get really hung up on the behind the scenes stuff and forget to simply enjoy playing games.

[QUOTE="rragnaar"][QUOTE="Mash_Affect"]

You have to learn to enjoy whatever product they put out for what it is and quit thinking about every little thing.

Skylock00

There is a lot of truth in this. People can get really hung up on the behind the scenes stuff and forget to simply enjoy playing games.

That was what i was trying to point out earlier.

[QUOTE="OneWingedAngeI"][QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

A valid point, but remember -- Final Fantasy VII was released on the PS1 (a system that was technically inferior to the N64) despite a long-standing relationship with Nintendo. They released it on the platform because of space constraints (cart vs. cd), Nintendo's crappy third-party relations, and poor N64 sales (and a later launch) in relation the Playstation.

Final Fantasy has done just fine for itself for two generations running on the weakest hardware available at the time. As for delays, FF X came out in 2001 in the U.S., while FFXII came out in 2006 (I think) in the U.S. -- that's five years between games, although they had FFX-2 and the uber-crappy FF XI released in the meantime. But it was still five years between proper, offline, non-spinoff Final Fantasy games. Doesn't FFXIII have an '08-'09 release? That puts it out in less time than the gap between X and XII on an exclusive platform.

Mash_Affect

my concern isnt so much which platform its on, but more so that they focus on one platform. they have more than proven they can get more out of a system than most other developers. trying to do it on two systems at once could prove difficult however and if nothing else would require much more resources, or a division of the resources they already have. if they go ahead and hire another team it costs more money. if they split the teams they have they cannot possibly work as fast.

Just THINK of how much better this game could be if he were only getting those vitamins!

Things happen in development that are not always ideal for the team. Whether the producers are forcing creative changes to meet the desires of a certain demographic, whether there is a deadline keeping features out of the game that otherwise would have made it in, whether there is development for multiple platforms, changing directors throughout iteration of the series, or even something as miniscule as the team not getting enough rest causing more issues to be overlooked.

You have to learn to enjoy whatever product they put out for what it is and quit thinking about every little thing.

thats a fine point of view for you, but i dont happen to share it. i enjoy talking about these things and dont see why people have such a problem with it. is this going to ruin my day? no. am i going to buy the game? yep. it doesnt mean i wont come to a message board and argue about it because i enjoy debating things.

between this thread and the other i cannot fathom why people have such issues with the fact that i have opinions and i offer reasons supporting them, while trying to show why i disagree with the opposing opinion.

@skylock we do have some control over it. our dollars mean plenty which is why we tell people they should buy the underappreciated games we love and why we groan when people buy hannah montana.

@dvader i know this, but by the next FF game will it stay that way?

between this thread and the other i cannot fathom why people have such issues with the fact that i have opinions and i offer reasons supporting them, while trying to show why i disagree with the opposing opinion.

OneWingedAngeI

Do we have a measure of judgement yet? I believe this is the first game that's being ported from the PS3 to the 360, right? Hopefully it'll turn out fine. Seeing the track record, I'd be more concerned if it was a 360 game going to the PS3.Grieverr

[QUOTE="Grieverr"]Do we have a measure of judgement yet? I believe this is the first game that's being ported from the PS3 to the 360, right? Hopefully it'll turn out fine. Seeing the track record, I'd be more concerned if it was a 360 game going to the PS3.rragnaar

Believe it or not, I'd actually like to see a MGS4 port on the 360; See if one of the best dev teams can repeat what they accomplished on the PS3.

We keep hearing all this hyperbole about what a powerhouse the PS3 really is, it's time we got some proof.

we do have some control over it. our dollars mean plenty which is why we tell people they should buy the underappreciated games we love and why we groan when people buy hannah montana.OneWingedAngeI

Talking so much about worrying about how this decision is going to affect the development of FFXIII is more or less meaningless, as it's not like consumers can proactively do some sort of action to deter SE from making the 360 port, or something. Yeah, it's possible to be worried about how maybe a future FF game might not exploit every power aspect of the platform it's being developed for...but even then, there is little control you have as an individual consumer over it, which is why it might be something I get annoyed about it, but I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm worried about it at this phase, especially so early on to this decision.

i understand what you are saying skylock, i just happen to go about my business on here in a different way. it seems to me in the last day or so of posting ive been told, not in such harsh (although sometimes harsher) words, that my opinion wont change anything and i should stop whining.

i know this is a bit off topic but what the hell is going on here? is this not a place for discussion? is this not a place we come to talk about how we think moves in the industry will shape its future growth?

i dont know why im being told that talking about the decision is meaningless. i mean its your opinion and you are free to state it, and i take no offense personally. i just dont understand why it is meaningless? will it have an effect on FFXIII? doubtful. that doesnt mean that the discussion at all is without merit.

im here to debate things and if people dont like what i have to say, i dont know what to tell them.

i dont know why im being told that talking about the decision is meaningless. i mean its your opinion and you are free to state it, and i take no offense personally. i just dont understand why it is meaningless? will it have an effect on FFXIII? doubtful. that doesnt mean that the discussion at all is without merit.

OneWingedAngeI

Did I say to not discuss this topic at all? No. Did I say that your opinion is completely invalid on all points? No. Even in the other topic, my only main issue was just how strong the level of emotion/hyperbole and such were being implemented, because I do not find discussions that enter that level of elevation to be fun, since neither side is going to be swayed by anything the other side is going to say. That's not a discussion, that's a yelling contest to see who's going to wear themselves out first.

No one on either side of the XBL discussion seems willing to listen to the other side. I don't consider that a discussion.

i see i guess i misunderstood. im not worried about it outside the realm of the boards really. i know you didnt say not to discuss it, my comment was more in regard to the general feeling ive gotten out of the two conversations.

i know what you are saying about just seeing who is going to give up first. unfortunately its not in me to do so, but thankfully DV is trying to take the discussion down another path. i hope it gets back on track because to tell you the truth, i enjoyed some of the arguments that are going on in both of these threads. having your position challenged is a great thing i always think.

as for this topic, i think we have stated the two sides pretty clearly. some people think it is a great move, will get the devs more money, and makes the 360 much more of a complete system. the other side worries for the impact on this game in regard to optimization and delays, as well as what it might do in future iterations.

i think it has been a mostly positive discussion when people have answered the OP's actual question, which is - why are people upset about it?

i know what you are saying about just seeing who is going to give up first. unfortunately its not in me to do so, but thankfully DV is trying to take the discussion down another path. i hope it gets back on track because to tell you the truth, i enjoyed some of the arguments that are going on in both of these threads. having your position challenged is a great thing i always think.

OneWingedAngeI

That's just my feelings on the matter, though, and on how I debate things. That's why I made those statements about stepping out of the conversation when I did. While some people find those sort of heated discussions entertaining, I find them annoying.

Isnt the new final fantasy just a different version for the 360? isnt there two different versions for ps3 and a completely different version for 360? correct me if im wrong, im just curiousnemesi609

You're wrong. Corrected.