Poll: Which System Has The Best Exclusives?

I'm talking about PCs being bought with gaming (also) in mind. i7 being better than i5 is an oversimplification that hardly reflects on how a casual consumer might react to a Videogame Sys Req. text dump on the back of a game box. C'mon.

And PC sales are massive because ALL PCs are built to perform all basic work tasks and run low end games. I'm talking about mid to high end gaming here, where suddenly a specific combination of components and an understanding of PC hardware language is necessary to be able to know how to run things.

@jereb31 said:

I'm sure there are plenty of people who have purchased a console only to find out that the game they really wanted to play wasn't on that particular console or maybe they thought it would play 4k video or something. You seem to be making it a bigger deal than it is.

Proof that I'm not making a bigger deal out of this is that home consoles are still super popular despite the claim that PCs do exactly what they do but better in every way by PC enthusiasts. Clearly it doesnt or else these dedicated game boxes would be getting destroyed by the versatility of PCs in the mainstream market.

Not only that but the only thing affecting console sales are tablets.... that surprise! also happen to exist in a more closed and easier to understand ecosystem with iOS, and to some extent android and their app stores built to run almost everything it sells on all mid to high range tablets.

Its no coincidence that home systems and portable's biggest threat is another group of super acessible devices, and not PC.

@jereb31 said:

I'm quite certain that PC gaming language and culture is hardly a "MASSIVE" roadblock to anybody. I doubt that nearly anyone outside of tech culture follows the updates of what RAM, GPU, CPU, etc. is being produced and released regularly or at all. But that still hasn't stopped PC sales from being more than the consoles combined or at least more than any individual console. That as you said yourself is the accessibility of the PC making it successful/favourable in the market. Having choice in what you need is quite an attractive offer as opposed to having 1 choice or 3 choices in consoles.

PC's are the most important modern tool for business, social interaction to an extent and access to information. Of course it outsells consoles lol

Why ignore the biggest reason why PCs sell and how everyone knows every PC can perform these basic tasks? You cant just lump in high end gaming as if it has any meaninfull impact whatsoever in these numbers. What a bizarre comparison.

@jereb31 said:

As far as the language and culture goes like anything if you dive into how something works, you will inevitably start getting into more and more complex jargon. No different to how consoles attract developers or people who are semi tech savy. Just look at PS4 and it's GDDR4, that was splashed all over the place, or the PS3's Cell processor. Those made regular news headlines, but do you think most people actually realised the impact of these pieces of gear? Of course not.

The difference is that no one needs to know that the PS4 has GDDR4 RAM, or what the hell that even is (and most dont). Its a standard component across all PS4 machines and everyone who buys one will take advantage of it when they buy ANY PS4 game. A game that is guaranteed to run the same across the entire userbase because its a closed system with software built specifically for it, thus requiring no knowledge of what does what or any concern that component X might not be good enough to run game Y.

If I'm buying or building a PC though...

How in the world can one argue against the Wii U with The Order and Killzone?

lol

@Thunderdrone:

Yeah, well I mean it can't be having that great an impact as the sales of PC's for gaming is still more than that of consoles combined. I'm sure some of the other posters here can put up the graphics, links and tables that have shown this.

i7 being better than an i5 is a simple way of looking at it but it's more or less the one most people will make. I'm sure what is less likely is (and PC overall sales already show this) is that people throw there hands up and give up on a game because they aren't sure if they can play it, that would have to be the absolute minority of cases. It can be a nice thing to know that your PS4 can play all games released for the PS4, but it's hardly ever the case that a recently purchase PC "bought with gaming in mind" not be able to run the games you want (perhaps not with all the eye candy turned up) at all, or put people off to the point where they give up on there purchase. That must be the rarest of the rare.

"And PC sales are massive because ALL PCs are built to perform all basic work tasks and run low end games. I'm talking about mid to high end gaming here, where suddenly a specific combination of components and an understanding of PC hardware language is necessary to be able to know how to run things."

Yeah it's really not as hard as you are making it out to be, it might be off putting to some people for sure but obviously not that many. Having some basic knowledge like being able to tell that you will need this much storage available (no different to consoles), this level of CPU (ie. i7 > i5, and if it's really tough i5 35xx > i5 34xx). Besides building your own mid to high end gaming PC is the most rewarding part next to gaming on it.

"Proof that I'm not making a bigger deal out of this is that home consoles are still super popular despite the claim that PCs do exactly what they do but better in every way by PC enthusiasts. Clearly it doesnt or else these dedicated game boxes would be getting destroyed by the versatility of PCs in the mainstream market.

Not only that but the only thing affecting console sales are tablets.... that surprise! also happen to exist in a more closed and easier to understand ecosystem with iOS, and to some extent android and their app stores built to run almost everything it sells on all mid to high range tablets.

Its no coincidence that home systems and portable's biggest threat is another group of super accessible devices, and not PC."

Look consoles are super popular, no doubt, not as popular as PC's but practically at parity. What you can obviously garnish from this info is that maybe the roadblock to entry is less of a factor than you think if both are doing so well? Just like you said if PC had such a roadblock to sales then they shouldn't be as popular as consoles, if consoles were so easy then they should be more popular than PC. Obviously we are both overlooking some things.

I'm not really sure about the tablet's, but yeah cool if they are that popular they are affecting sales.

"PC's are the most important modern tool for business, social interaction to an extent and access to information. Of course it outsells consoles lol

Why ignore the biggest reason why PCs sell and how everyone knows every PC can perform these basic tasks? You cant just lump in high end gaming as if it has any meaninfull impact whatsoever in these numbers. What a bizarre comparison."

Sorry wasn't trying to ignore that, I didn't mean to infer that comment of total PC sales beating consoles was largely due to non-gaming PC sales, because it isn't. Gaming PC's have been outselling consoles for a while now, I believe some one was citing the sales of the higher end GPU's as some evidence and also the quantity of steam/origin and other accounts as more.

"The difference is that no one needs to know that the PS4 has GDDR4 RAM, or what the hell that even is (and most dont). Its a standard component across all PS4 machines and everyone who buys one will take advantage of it when they buy ANY PS4 game. A game that is guaranteed to run the same across the entire userbase because its a closed system with software built specifically for it, thus requiring no knowledge of what does what or any concern that component X might not be good enough to run game Y.

If I'm buying or building a PC though..."

Argh, bad typing on my part, yeah GDDR5 hahaha. Point I was trying to make is that people harp on about requirements a lot more than necessary. I built a PC from back in 2011, never had to even look at requirements even now. EVERY game has ran, I have to turn down some of the effects on a few of the latest releases but that comes with a systems age.

Your totally right though, PC compared to console, you don't have to know what's in a console to know that it will play games released for it and there may be the occasion in the future where your PC will show signs of age and you will have to turn down some graphics settings, but it's extremely rare that a PC game will flat out not play at all unless you are trying to run a very very old system with a very modern game.

I guess we can at least agree that PS4 are simpler and could be more attractive than PC because it does require less knowledge and that it probably does affect the entry into PC in some fashion.

Well stupid, when you say "and 3 of them are the crap ! Its fact" that's trying to state an opinion as a fact. You even called it a fact. Doesn't matter what your "real" point is because you keep making asinine statements like that.

I don't know who's the bigger dolt, you or El Tormented. I'm going to lean towards you. I think you might have passed his levels or stupidity just in this thread alone.

haha ! Ill vote for you , the troll of the year ! And care to tell me who is this el tormented ? Is he something you despite that much or ? You dont make sense dude but you are funny.

You've been here how long and you don't know who El Tormented(Tormentos) is?

WiiU of course. Is this even a question? :P

Gotta say its weird but obvious as well seeing the WiiU with such a low percentage. I expected it to rise a little bit but it just keeps falling. :(

You mean Tormentos ? Is he your rival ? Fanboy wars ? Make a new sector in forums for your kind and go there and fight !

Are you dense? I'm saying you're just like him, in other words ignorant, def, dumb, blind and have your head so far up Sony's ass you can see the wax in their ears. Trust me, being compared to El Tormented is not a compliment and so far you seem to be just like him. Not good for you

You are like him lol.. im not a fanboy sadly . I wish i were and do the same you do but ..im not ! Have you seen any topics of mine trolling around and dissing systems etc ... All i do is respond to idiots/trolls/fanboys or legit gamers and stating some facts and opinions left and right. Thats far from what you and tormentos doing , dont you think ?

You're not a fanboy? Bwhahahahahahaha is that a joke?

You dis the XOne in almost every thread kid. Who are you trying to fool?

BWhahahaha another joke? You are a troll/idiot/fanboy and you do nothing but try and pass off your opinion as fact. You don't have to lie to kick it kid.

I diss Xone or i diss what you and every other fanboy has to say about X1 or other platforms ? Think about it a second and then reply again. If you coming into topics and say "PS4 has no games , lol " and i answer you back to that tragic fanboyistic statement with valid arguments and logic behind everything ... does that make me an X1 hater or makes you a PS4 hater instead ( or any other system ) ?

When im dissing PS3 all day long for all the mistakes im Lem ! When i vote for Wii U as the best system when it comes to exclusives im what ? Sheep ? And i can continue forever ! You havent done anything alike so calling me troll/fanboy .. lol ! Whatever !

2 days almost and you keep trying to make me mad or a god knows what you trying , insulting me , calling me names etc ! And you still cant make it ... lol . What that makes you if not a hateful fanboy that cant stand at all a valid opinion or two other than yours. Gtfo troll ! :)

Wait blah blah blah blah blah is pretty much what I read. You're a troll/idiot fanboy just like most of the posters here. You're among the top tier of fanboys right along with El Tormented.

You don't have to lie to kick it kid.

BTW why do you keep saying I'm the one calling you names when in most of your replies to me you've called me idiot? Isn't your dumbass just as guilty?

Oh now I can't stand a "valid" opinion? Stupid, you're not calling your opinions an opinion. You're calling them facts and THAT is the point. Damn boy you have issues.

Whatever dude .. Im telling you , you trying so hard but theres noooo way , not 1 in a trillion of trillions for me to fall to these pathetic trollish arguments of yours in order to get me mad. You are really bad at it just to know .... Plus you dont make sense at all ...You are out of arguments ... again ! lol ! Anything else sir ?

You're a time filler kid, nothing more. Not sure why keep saying I'm trying to get you mad. I couldn't care less what or how you feel. You're my entertainment, like putting quarters in a jukebox until I say you're not.

Nothing else, you're free to continue your lem bashing troll attempts in the other threads.

I dont think im just a time filler after so much attention and reply after reply ! You are entertaining indeed otherwise i wouldnt reply back.

What lem bashing lol !! That butt of yours must be a big fatass .. and you talking out of it ! Theres no other explanation ! Anything else , sir ?

So wouldn't that apply to you as well? Why wouldn't it be a time filler? Isn't replying multiple times wasting time? Yeah I know you're butthurt because no one takes you seriously much like El Tormented. I'm sure you'll get over it.

No it wouldnt apply to me ! You started talking to me out of nowhere ! You are the butthurt and you are the one giving me all this attention ! I feel honored ! You are the first guy that spammed me so much in 10 years , you calling that time filler ? Hohoho , that butthurt attention ! What is this obsession with Tormentos i dont get it , you think im Tormentos or something or whats the case ?

I haven't cared much for Nintendo or their games since N64 so WiiU is out for me. Between PS4 and Xbox One it's PS4....and it's only because of the remasters. Pretty pathetic so far this gen. I'm glad I have my PC.

The Order 1886, Driveclub and host of other bombs puts the PS4 in contention with The Great One? Damn this place is screwed up.

i am a lemming and i can say with my forum experience of 3 months that he isn't a cow, what exactly is your IQ level?

Hohoho !! And now you just killed him with that comment lol !

Bloodborne > Every other single exclusive

but when it comes to overall list of exclusives then WiiU

Xbox winning? topkek?

1.25 million people own the game, or bought it rather, the second hand market is large and retailers have it out on a fire sale trying to get rid of it. Out of 50 million current generation systems out in the wild from all three fronts not too many people are going to agree with you. Not to mention a lot of those 1.25 million didn't even like the game, they bought it because of hype, played it and asked WTF is this. Most people do not like Souls games, they're not accessible and aside from the gameplay they don't have an appeal, there's also no real story to this game, it's just a plot.

Any source on your claims or are you pulling that out of your arse? I'm going for the latter

@nyadc said:

@Vatusus said:

@nyadc said:

@Vatusus said:

Bloodborne > Every other single exclusive

but when it comes to overall list of exclusives then WiiU

Xbox winning? topkek?

1.25 million people own the game, or bought it rather, the second hand market is large and retailers have it out on a fire sale trying to get rid of it.

Any source on your claims or are you pulling that out of your arse? I'm going for the latter

So... your response is a worthless picture that means literally nothing? ok

Thanks for proving I was right and that you had no proof of your stupid claims

lol cows are so salty right now.

Cows are raging.

Quick, make alt accounts for the PS4 vote.

Don't you mean the opposite? There is a story but no plot.

Hahahaha all of 3 months and you think you know who are or aren't cows? Please kid go away

You calling me names isn't the same as me calling you names? Ummmm ok kid.

Butthurt about what exactly? I don't own a WiiU or Xone so why would any of your post cause me to get butthurt? You make asinine statements about your opinions being fact so I chimed in. You're an idiot much like my little basment dwelling friend El Tormented. You're nothing more than my entertainment son.

No I don't think you're El Tormented. I think you're an idiot like he is. In other words, a lame, dumb and blind Sony apologist.

Consider your job as my personal fool complete. You did you job well son.

The x1 is winning?

I also chose the x1 btw.

debate is over ... you got powned by your own race ! Move on now !

Most def this

Obviously I'm going to vote for the PS4 since its exclusives were one of the reasons I bought the thing. DX12 might make Xbone worth buying in the future, I hope.

seriously PS4 still losing to the shitbox OK

send the inquisition, root out the trolls

Still waiting on that Xbox One Exclusive list.

This wasn't a debate moron. You were nothing more than my entertainment.

Yes, move on. Go try to pass your opinions off as fact to someone else.

You got powned by your own people , theres nothing more to discuss ! Cry me a river all you want ! Another fact to add to so many others

Sure kid, say it a few more time and maybe it'll become fact. That seems to be the cow mantra.........say it enough time and it's fact.

Maybe you should state more opinions and try to pass them off as fact. You can't look any dumber than you do now.

PS4 is more appealing than Xbone because of Bloodborne (which is fantastic), but I don't see why the Xbone beating the PS4 is such a big deal. PS4's exclusive list is pretty laughable.

In terms of exclusives both the XO and PS4 are pretty shit this gen. Yes there are good games but there is only a handful of them. For the most part, multiplatform games are the way to go this generation.

Facts > You two.

1. PC is a system. According to the forum rules and most posters. If you disagree visit a different site. Though I'm not sure what site you'd visit, it's classified as one at most video game forums.

2. Nice Lie. PC isn't seen as an afterthought by most of the big game publishers. 2K, Sega, Acitivion/Blizzard, Valve have big stakes in PC. A majority of multiplats make it on PC, and are better on PC. You'll come up with a few cases of the opposite, but for each of those i'll come up with 10 multiplats much better on PC with more care. Just look at what Bethesda does for PC, or how Dark Souls and Deus Ex with more gfx features is now better on PC. MGS a once console franchise is now better on PC. Then we have exclusive big published games from Blizz, Valve, 2k, Sega, etc.

3. What a "fucking mess". PC has more AAA to A exclusives than all consoles combined for this generation (same years).

4. You must have meant USA general public, or you're talking out of your ass. PC has more gaming hardware and software sales than all consoles combined this gen. The top most played genres and games are PC exclusive.

What are you even talking about?

There are 3 core manufacturers in the PC market today

Intel and AMD make/design CPU's and motherboards

nVidia and AMD make/design GPU's

RAM is either DDR3 or DDR4 (which is still pretty rare)

You don't download specific drivers for individual CPU's or GPU's, they make drivers that cover their entire range, which is why someone running a 5 year old nVidia GPU can use the same drivers as my two year old GPU, which in turn will run my new GPU (when it arrives sometime this week). They can all run Windows, Mac O/S and Linux (Windows being the largest by far) and they all run games using Direct X.

That's why PC can be broken into Low, Medium, High and Ultra/Very High settings for games and the reason for scalable graphics options in PC games. Times have changed vastly since you picked up your old out of date information, should really should introduce yourselves to 2015.

Also here are some figures that would make any console manufacturer weep with joy

• Colorful: 500,000 units per month, projected sales of five million units in 2015.
• Galaxy: 400,000-450,000 units per month, projected sales of five million units in 2015 (this will also include shipments to Europe, North America, Australia, Japan and Korea).
• Zotac: Projected sales of three million units in 2015.
• Asus: Five million units in 2014 (global), expects the same count by the end of 2015.
• Gigabyte: 3.6 million units in 2014.
• MSI: 2.9 million units in 2014.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/colorful-largest-gpu-vendor-globally/#ixzz3hnWG7CIG

In case you can't count, the 4 top listed companies there are expecting to sell 18 million GPU's between them this year alone, add in the other two (expected to drop by around 10%) and they're still looking at selling 23 million GPU's this year alone. Hardly indicative of a market any self respecting software developer would ignore. Yeah consoles aren't winning anything.

Let me guess your rebuttal is Batman: Arkham Knight /Roll

u spitting logic to a pseudo cow

Looking at this poll makes me feel like I'm not on the right Earth.