Top 10 QBs for 2009

[QUOTE="Mister__Awesome"]I think at the end of the season and pretty much when it is all set and done the best QB of all time will be Brady over Manning. 3 Superbowl wins over 1 (As it stands now) is a huge factor to me. Manning might have his MVP's but Brady got an MVP too and 2 Superbowl MVP's :) Perhaps Im biased lol that is just how i feel.Darth_Revan_666

After your stupid post about Madden having better ratings than NFL 2k games in the sports games discussion forum (while its obviously not true, if you use your eyes and your brain, something you may not be familiar with) and now this, saying somehow Superbowl wins is the ultimate way to measure the quality of a QB, I officially hate you :) . So yes, not only you're biased, but your arguments are worthless too. You winz teh internetz sir.

They aren't the ultimate way but what i am trying to say is that I rather take a QB who can give me big numbers and throw in a SB ring at the same time and quite frankly Tom Brady has done that three times and almost a fourth. Moreover, to this"stupid post" thing, if you look at the ratings of the last NFL 2K (2k5) compared Madden 05, it was 2K 9.1 to Madden 9.0 so pretty much leaving it to the eye of the beholder on which was better and i perfer Madden so husshhh. Plus i never said Madden had better ratings lmao.

Well look at the EA Sports game ratings, your opinion may be yours but the ratings don't lie, simply their games are good and great. 2K in my eyes has the edge in Basketball and that is it. Madden has always been the football king whether you like to hear it or not. Mister__Awesome

I was talking about sales (If i am wrong bash me all you want lol) and the general population opinion, and the popularity was obviously Madden. So learn to read :) I still love the call out though :P

Stats aren't everything just ask Dan Marino, you need to be able to win the big one in this league if you want to be known as a winner rather than a stat machine. So shhhhhhh :P

[QUOTE="Mister__Awesome"]I think at the end of the season and pretty much when it is all set and done the best QB of all time will be Brady over Manning. 3 Superbowl wins over 1 (As it stands now) is a huge factor to me. Manning might have his MVP's but Brady got an MVP too and 2 Superbowl MVP's :) Perhaps Im biased lol that is just how i feel.wwe4ever_in05

Now I think that if your going to compare one Manning from another, then say who your talking about, I believe your ment to say Payton Manning, and not Manning, but I really already said who I thought was the best IMHO. :)

Yea, I meant Peyton, no knock on the guy but who always had big time WRs so he was able to post big time stats, first time Brady had bigtime WRs; Moss & Welker; who threw for 50 TDs.

1. Philip Rivers

2. Tom Brady (I don't like the New England Patriots but, I have to give Tom Brady his due)

3. Peyton Manning

4. Drew Brees

5. Ben Roethlisburger

6. Michael Vick

7. Tony Romo

8. Eli Manning

9. Donovan McNabb

10. Brett Favre

honorable mention: Kerry Collins, Matt Ryan, and Joey Flacco

worst: Ryan Leaf

1. Philip Rivers

2. Tom Brady (I don't like the New England Patriots but, I have to give Tom Brady his due)

3. Peyton Manning

4. Drew Brees

5. Ben Roethlisburger

6. Michael Vick

7. Tony Romo

8. Eli Manning

9. Donovan McNabb

10. Brett Favre

honorable mention: Kerry Collins, Matt Ryan, and Joey Flacco

worst: Ryan Leaf

Koi-Neon-X

1. Phillip Rivers, 5. Roethlisberger, 6. Micheal Vick and 10. Brett Favre??? Are you high?

My Top 10

1. Drew Brees

2. Peyton Manning

3. Tom Brady

4. Phillip Rivers

5. Jay Cutler

6. Donovan McNabb

7. Eli Manning

8. Ben Roethlisberger

9. Aaron Rodgers

10. Tony Romo

Heres my main issue with Big Ben being ranked higher than certain QBs. It is true that Ben wins games in clutch time in the final minutes of a game, But on many of those occasions, the Steelers are trailing because of huge mistakes Ben made earlier in the game. CommanderShiro

''Big Ben'' is only ever good in the 4th quarter, the only reason he's been able to win anything was because his defense kept his team in the game the first whole 3 quarters.

Dude, seriously?...really...are you kidding me

1. Philip Rivers Rivers is the best...FAIL...better than Brady, Manning, Brees?...never won anything

2. Tom Brady (I don't like the New England Patriots but, I have to give Tom Brady his due)

3. Peyton Manning

4. Drew Brees

5. Ben Roethlisburger

6. Michael Vick Now I know you are amoking something...he sucked before he went to jail...now 2 years off and he is #6 in the league...you have him over the guy that starts over him
All he had was speed...he is almost 30...can't depend on that now and never was accurate

7. Tony Romo

8. Eli Manning

9. Donovan McNabb

10. Brett Favre had 1 good year in last 4 (his last with GB), other than that TERRIBLE 

honorable mention: Kerry Collins, Matt Ryan, and Joey Flacco

worst: Ryan Leaf BestQB in jail right now...topic was best 2009 QB, not in league for like 4 years now

Koi-Neon-X

1. Ben Roethlisberger

10. Antwaan Randle El

[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]I am very, very disgusted with anyone putting Brees over Brady. And Big Ben too? Sickening. Now with that said, did I actually see "Alex Smith could do good in that offense" as to discredit Brees? WTF!?!?! Did you see who Brees was throwing to last year when he nearly broke Dan Marino's single season passing yards record? Alex Smith is capable of that? Get real dude.wwe4ever_in05

If anything, Big Ben is better than Brees...2 Superbowls > 0 Superbowls

Brees may not have a Superbowl ring, but at least he doesn't have to pay off the ref to win superbowls, both actully, everyone cane say that I'm still living in the past but the Seahawks, and the Cardinals, were screwed in the two superbowls.

But to get back on topic it should go, Brees, Brady(As much I hate to say that), Eli, Ryan, Payton, Big Ben, Rivers, Collins, Palmer, Flacco.

Another crybaby from the superbowls..how nice.

[QUOTE="wwe4ever_in05"][QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]I am very, very disgusted with anyone putting Brees over Brady. And Big Ben too? Sickening. Now with that said, did I actually see "Alex Smith could do good in that offense" as to discredit Brees? WTF!?!?! Did you see who Brees was throwing to last year when he nearly broke Dan Marino's single season passing yards record? Alex Smith is capable of that? Get real dude.CWEBB04z

If anything, Big Ben is better than Brees...2 Superbowls > 0 Superbowls

Brees may not have a Superbowl ring, but at least he doesn't have to pay off the ref to win superbowls, both actully, everyone cane say that I'm still living in the past but the Seahawks, and the Cardinals, were screwed in the two superbowls.

But to get back on topic it should go, Brees, Brady(As much I hate to say that), Eli, Ryan, Payton, Big Ben, Rivers, Collins, Palmer, Flacco.

Another crybaby from the superbowls..how nice.

Pfft, Steelers >>>>>> Cardinals. Arizona did not deserve to win; Steelers earned their sixth ring. :|JackBurton

Pitt earned their sixth ring = false 

[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"][QUOTE="wwe4ever_in05"][QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]I am very, very disgusted with anyone putting Brees over Brady. And Big Ben too? Sickening. Now with that said, did I actually see "Alex Smith could do good in that offense" as to discredit Brees? WTF!?!?! Did you see who Brees was throwing to last year when he nearly broke Dan Marino's single season passing yards record? Alex Smith is capable of that? Get real dude.themyrmidon

If anything, Big Ben is better than Brees...2 Superbowls > 0 Superbowls

Brees may not have a Superbowl ring, but at least he doesn't have to pay off the ref to win superbowls, both actully, everyone cane say that I'm still living in the past but the Seahawks, and the Cardinals, were screwed in the two superbowls.

But to get back on topic it should go, Brees, Brady(As much I hate to say that), Eli, Ryan, Payton, Big Ben, Rivers, Collins, Palmer, Flacco.

Another crybaby from the superbowls..how nice.

Lets take away the penalties...

Steelers: 21 Seachickens: 17

Guess what...Steelers still win!

[QUOTE="JackBurton"]Pfft, Steelers >>>>>> Cardinals. Arizona did not deserve to win; Steelers earned their sixth ring. :|themyrmidon

Pitt earned their sixth ring = false

Really? so the last drive of the game was just a gimmick, any QB could lead there team like that?

[QUOTE="themyrmidon"]

[QUOTE="JackBurton"]Pfft, Steelers >>>>>> Cardinals. Arizona did not deserve to win; Steelers earned their sixth ring. :|CWEBB04z

Pitt earned their sixth ring = false

Really? so the last drive of the game was just a gimmick, any QB could lead there team like that?

The fact that they had to beat an 8-8 team and then a 9-7 team to win the SuperBowl was quite anti-climactic IMO.

[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"][QUOTE="themyrmidon"]

[QUOTE="JackBurton"]Pfft, Steelers >>>>>> Cardinals. Arizona did not deserve to win; Steelers earned their sixth ring. :|Darth_Revan_666

Pitt earned their sixth ring = false

Really? so the last drive of the game was just a gimmick, any QB could lead there team like that?

The fact that they had to beat an 8-8 team and then a 9-7 team to win the SuperBowl was quite anti-climactic IMO.

Dont forget the sixth wildcard team, who they had already defeated twice in the regular season.

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

1. Philip Rivers

2. Tom Brady (I don't like the New England Patriots but, I have to give Tom Brady his due)

3. Peyton Manning

4. Drew Brees

5. Ben Roethlisburger

6. Michael Vick

7. Tony Romo

8. Eli Manning

9. Donovan McNabb

10. Brett Favre

honorable mention: Kerry Collins, Matt Ryan, and Joey Flacco

worst: Ryan Leaf

Darth_Revan_666

1. Phillip Rivers, 5. Roethlisberger, 6. Micheal Vick and 10. Brett Favre??? Are you high?

No, I don't do any type of drugs. You like who you like and I like who I like so what's the problem?

My Top 10

1. Drew Brees

2. Peyton Manning

3. Tom Brady

4. Phillip Rivers

5. Jay Cutler

6. Donovan McNabb

7. Eli Manning

8. Ben Roethlisberger

9. Aaron Rodgers

10. Tony Romo

Dude, seriously?...really...are you kidding me

Yes, seriously AND really. No, I'm not kidding you. I think everyone is entitled to pick whomever they like. Did you expect everyone's list to be identical?

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

1. Philip Rivers Rivers is the best...FAIL...better than Brady, Manning, Brees?...never won anything

2. Tom Brady (I don't like the New England Patriots but, I have to give Tom Brady his due)

3. Peyton Manning

4. Drew Brees

5. Ben Roethlisburger

6. Michael Vick Now I know you are amoking something...he sucked before he went to jail...now 2 years off and he is #6 in the league...you have him over the guy that starts over him
All he had was speed...he is almost 30...can't depend on that now and never was accurate

7. Tony Romo

8. Eli Manning

9. Donovan McNabb

10. Brett Favre had 1 good year in last 4 (his last with GB), other than that TERRIBLE

honorable mention: Kerry Collins, Matt Ryan, and Joey Flacco

worst: Ryan Leaf BestQB in jail right now...topic was best 2009 QB, not in league for like 4 years now

rawsavon

Philip Rivers happens to be the QB of my favorite NFL team: the San Diego Chargers so, um, why wouldn't I pick him?! sorry but, for everything he has done with the team does not make him a FAIL-he is a great QB. I picked Michael Vick because I believe he's a good (and entertaining) QB. Curious to see how well he'll do now that he's been giving an opportunity with a the Eagles. Brett Favre is a good QB as well (wouldn't have won a Superbowl if he wasn't) and I have to be honest I enjoy watching him play so what's the problem here? I am literate and I know the topic was best 2009 QB I just threw Ryan Leaf in there for the heck of it. I'm entitled to my opinion and not sorry about my top ten list.

Well about Rivers, you said it yourself, you're completely biased about him. Vick is not as fast as before and the guy couldnt throw before and can't do it now. Why does he deserves to be in the Top 10? You make no sense, being spectacular doesnt make you automatically a great QB. And Ryan Leaf jokes are overdone and boring, stop it already.Darth_Revan_666

Absolutely! I am biased because A) Rivers is a great QB and B) he is a San Diego Charger so GUILTY lol. Okay, so he hasn't won a superbowl yet but, neither has Dan Marino and alot of people consider him one the greatest QBs to ever play the game. Michael Vick isn't as fast as he used to be but, after playing in the NFL for a couple of years there are ALOT of players who don't play like they used to. On top of that he just got out of prison! being spectacular doesn't make you automatically a great QB?! say what?! if I'm not mistaken being spectacular is a very important ingredient to being a great QB so how does that NOT make sense? As for Ryan Leaf I wasn't trying to joke or be boring I simply stated an opinion and nothing more. All I said was worst QB: Ryan Leaf so tell me-where's the joke? stop it already? I'm not telling you to be silent, I don't take orders from you, and if I want to speak my mind you better believe I'm going to do it. Again, it's MY opinion and you DON'T have to agree with it. You have your opinion and I have my opinion-THAT'S how it works. We clear? I hope so because I'm ready to move on.

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garey017

well said :P

screw rothesburger go brees and peyton

[QUOTE="Darth_Revan_666"]Well about Rivers, you said it yourself, you're completely biased about him. Vick is not as fast as before and the guy couldnt throw before and can't do it now. Why does he deserves to be in the Top 10? You make no sense, being spectacular doesnt make you automatically a great QB. And Ryan Leaf jokes are overdone and boring, stop it already.Koi-Neon-X

Absolutely! I am biased because A) Rivers is a great QB and B) he is a San Diego Charger so GUILTY lol. Okay, so he hasn't won a superbowl yet but, neither has Dan Marino and alot of people consider him one the greatest QBs to ever play the game. Michael Vick isn't as fast as he used to be but, after playing in the NFL for a couple of years there are ALOT of players who don't play like they used to. On top of that he just got out of prison! being spectacular doesn't make you automatically a great QB?! say what?! if I'm not mistaken being spectacular is a very important ingredient to being a great QB so how does that NOT make sense? As for Ryan Leaf I wasn't trying to joke or be boring I simply stated an opinion and nothing more. All I said was worst QB: Ryan Leaf so tell me-where's the joke? stop it already? I'm not telling you to be silent, I don't take orders from you, and if I want to speak my mind you better believe I'm going to do it. Again, it's MY opinion and you DON'T have to agree with it. You have your opinion and I have my opinion-THAT'S how it works. We clear? I hope so because I'm ready to move on.

I agree with this dude.

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]

[QUOTE="Darth_Revan_666"]Well about Rivers, you said it yourself, you're completely biased about him. Vick is not as fast as before and the guy couldnt throw before and can't do it now. Why does he deserves to be in the Top 10? You make no sense, being spectacular doesnt make you automatically a great QB. And Ryan Leaf jokes are overdone and boring, stop it already.CWEBB04z

Absolutely! I am biased because A) Rivers is a great QB and B) he is a San Diego Charger so GUILTY lol. Okay, so he hasn't won a superbowl yet but, neither has Dan Marino and alot of people consider him one the greatest QBs to ever play the game. Michael Vick isn't as fast as he used to be but, after playing in the NFL for a couple of years there are ALOT of players who don't play like they used to. On top of that he just got out of prison! being spectacular doesn't make you automatically a great QB?! say what?! if I'm not mistaken being spectacular is a very important ingredient to being a great QB so how does that NOT make sense? As for Ryan Leaf I wasn't trying to joke or be boring I simply stated an opinion and nothing more. All I said was worst QB: Ryan Leaf so tell me-where's the joke? stop it already? I'm not telling you to be silent, I don't take orders from you, and if I want to speak my mind you better believe I'm going to do it. Again, it's MY opinion and you DON'T have to agree with it. You have your opinion and I have my opinion-THAT'S how it works. We clear? I hope so because I'm ready to move on.

I agree with this dude.

I guess ignorant-annoying-trolls does thinks alike.

I don't like Philip Rivers' face. Other than that, yeah I guess he's pretty good.garey017

I wasnt agreeing about Rivers, I was just agreeing about his opinion on how its his opinion and how he is speaking his mind...that is all.

[QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]

[QUOTE="garey017"]I don't like Philip Rivers' face. Other than that, yeah I guess he's pretty good.Darth_Revan_666

I wasnt agreeing about Rivers, I was just agreeing about his opinion on how its his opinion and how he is speaking his mind...that is all.

But you agree with him about Vick? Are you a down syndrome kid or what? =/

he's got a good arm.

[QUOTE="Darth_Revan_666"][QUOTE="CWEBB04z"]

[QUOTE="garey017"]I don't like Philip Rivers' face. Other than that, yeah I guess he's pretty good.CWEBB04z

I wasnt agreeing about Rivers, I was just agreeing about his opinion on how its his opinion and how he is speaking his mind...that is all.

But you agree with him about Vick? Are you a down syndrome kid or what? =/

he's got a good arm.

Jamarcus Russell has a good arm.

I don't like Philip Rivers' face. Other than that, yeah I guess he's pretty good.garey017

I like Rivers. I didn't like him at first, but after playing through the AFC Championship against the Pats with an ACL injury and last season, I have full respect of him. Plus, it can be jokes to have a QB who likes to get in the opponents face.

drew brees is doing wonderful and better than the other qbsflo17602

What exactly is your problem darth? CWEBB04z happens to have an opinion as well and you give him a hard time for it AND bring up something like Down Syndrome?! is that you're pathetic attempt to be funny because I can promise you the condition is not a joke! before you go and call anyone an "ignorant troll" better take a good long hard look in the mirror, kid. I say kid because I truly believe I'm NOT dealing with an adult but, a child. I am reporting you for your comments that way maybe you'll think before you type.Koi-Neon-X

Unjustified opinion= dumb

And you see people all over the internet calling eachother like ''you're retarded''. How's ''you're a down syndrome'' any worse? What a **** thats because of people like you that awesome posters like Espurs cant post on forums anymore. Getting their feelings hurt about NOTHING. Get over it, this is the internet.

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]What exactly is your problem darth? CWEBB04z happens to have an opinion as well and you give him a hard time for it AND bring up something like Down Syndrome?! is that you're pathetic attempt to be funny because I can promise you the condition is not a joke! before you go and call anyone an "ignorant troll" better take a good long hard look in the mirror, kid. I say kid because I truly believe I'm NOT dealing with an adult but, a child. I am reporting you for your comments that way maybe you'll think before you type.Darth_Revan_666

Unjustified opinion= dumb

And you see people all over the internet calling eachother like ''you're retarded''. How's ''you're a down syndrome'' any worse? What a **** thats because of people like you that awesome posters like Espurs cant post on forums anymore. Getting their feelings hurt about NOTHING. Get over it, this is the internet.

I guess you've never heard the saying "two wrongs don't make a right" correct? and who made you judge as to whether an opinion is unjustified or not? people like me? oh right people like me who actually show consideration and respect to other internet users and not calling them names or raining on their parade simply because I don't agree with them. You would have been better off just saying "okay, if that's how you feel but, I don't agree" but, you have to turn it into a three ring circus! sounds like a cry for attention to me. You make think it's NOTHING but, I can assure that somebody may in fact be taking offense to what you're saying. I'm pretty sure anyone related or a has a friend who has down syndrome are not thinking it's nothing that I can promise you.

Just because we're on the internet doesn't give you a license to crap all over everybody! by the way espurs was NOT an awesome poster-he was a inconsiderate person who thought he knew everything there is to know and had no problem typing before he put any thought into what he was saying. That's called being irresponsible. Personally, I could care less if he can't post on forums anymore because he stepped on one too many toes, was given the opportunity to clean up his act, and didn't so he's paying the price for it. That's how it goes as we do have rules for a reason.

Uh no, Espurs' sarcasm and kidding around got him in trouble because people, like yourself, took him too seriously. The dude has been modded for putting a smiley before, point out the rule that says you can't post a smiley as a response. I'm sorry dude, but you don't know what you're talking about.Bobbles

Yeah I know, BUT

He just said this:'' Just because we're on the internet doesn't give you a license to crap all over everybody! by the way espurs was NOT an awesome poster-he was a inconsiderate person who thought he knew everything there is to know and had no problem typing before he put any thought into what he was saying. That's called being irresponsible. Personally, I could care less if he can't post on forums anymore because he stepped on one too many toes, was given the opportunity to clean up his act, and didn't so he's paying the price for it. That's how it goes as we do have rules for a reason.''

 And for you Koi-Neon-X, How's ''you're a retard any better than ''you're a down syndrome''? Nice double-standard. Just because my insult was more precise to a specific type of mental issue you go all drama queen and report me for some internet tough talk. So again, GET OVER IT.

Uh no, Espurs' sarcasm and kidding around got him in trouble because people, like yourself, took him too seriously. The dude has been modded for putting a smiley before, point out the rule that says you can't post a smiley as a response. I'm sorry dude, but you don't know what you're talking about.Bobbles

Uh, yes EXACTLY my point. If you know for a FACT or run the risk of doing it-that you're going to offend someone or that you even think for a single moment that your "sarcasm" and "kidding around" is going to get you in trouble then my question is this: why do it? you play with fire = you get burned. I also say GOOD for people like myself because there is NO reason in the world I or anyone else has to take that from ANYONE. It's called having at least a modicum of respect for other users. There's no need for me to point out a smiley being against the rules because it's not but, he did ALOT more than that didn't he? you're an officer of this union correct? then you should know that better than anybody. As for me not knowing what I'm talking about I guess you missed our debate over LT so believe me I DO know what I'm talking about. THE END.

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]Uh no, Espurs' sarcasm and kidding around got him in trouble because people, like yourself, took him too seriously. The dude has been modded for putting a smiley before, point out the rule that says you can't post a smiley as a response. I'm sorry dude, but you don't know what you're talking about.Darth_Revan_666

Yeah I know, BUT

He just said this:'' Just because we're on the internet doesn't give you a license to crap all over everybody! by the way espurs was NOT an awesome poster-he was a inconsiderate person who thought he knew everything there is to know and had no problem typing before he put any thought into what he was saying. That's called being irresponsible. Personally, I could care less if he can't post on forums anymore because he stepped on one too many toes, was given the opportunity to clean up his act, and didn't so he's paying the price for it. That's how it goes as we do have rules for a reason.''

And for you Koi-Neon-X, How's ''you're a retard any better than ''you're a down syndrome''? Nice double-standard. Just because my insult was more precise to a specific type of mental issue you go all drama queen and report me for some internet tough talk. So again, GET OVER IT.

Not quite sure what double standard you're talking about (?) using either is not a good thing. Let me put it to you this way since you STILL don't seem to get it (and here I thought I was being crystal clear) you put down a group of people which I don't take very kindly to. I happen to know quite a few people who DO have down syndrome. The context in which you used it is DISRESPECTFUL (read: it's not right-simple enough for you?) don't really care what you call me and I thought I told you: I don't take orders from you. I'm not getting over anything as you've been giving me a hard time ever since I came out with my 10 QBs and for what? because you didn't agree with who I picked?! are you serious?! you GET OVER IT.

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]Uh no, Espurs' sarcasm and kidding around got him in trouble because people, like yourself, took him too seriously. The dude has been modded for putting a smiley before, point out the rule that says you can't post a smiley as a response. I'm sorry dude, but you don't know what you're talking about.Koi-Neon-X

Uh, yes EXACTLY my point. If you know for a FACT or run the risk of doing it-that you're going to offend someone or that you even think for a single moment that your "sarcasm" and "kidding around" is going to get you in trouble then my question is this: why do it? you play with fire = you get burned. I also say GOOD for people like myself because there is NO reason in the world I or anyone else has to take that from ANYONE. It's called having at least a modicum of respect for other users. There's no need for me to point out a smiley being against the rules because it's not but, he did ALOT more than that didn't he? you're an officer of this union correct? then you should know that better than anybody. As for me not knowing what I'm talking about I guess you missed our debate over LT so believe me I DO know what I'm talking about. THE END.

 

[QUOTE="Darth_Revan_666"]

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]Uh no, Espurs' sarcasm and kidding around got him in trouble because people, like yourself, took him too seriously. The dude has been modded for putting a smiley before, point out the rule that says you can't post a smiley as a response. I'm sorry dude, but you don't know what you're talking about.Koi-Neon-X

Yeah I know, BUT

He just said this:'' Just because we're on the internet doesn't give you a license to crap all over everybody! by the way espurs was NOT an awesome poster-he was a inconsiderate person who thought he knew everything there is to know and had no problem typing before he put any thought into what he was saying. That's called being irresponsible. Personally, I could care less if he can't post on forums anymore because he stepped on one too many toes, was given the opportunity to clean up his act, and didn't so he's paying the price for it. That's how it goes as we do have rules for a reason.''

And for you Koi-Neon-X, How's ''you're a retard any better than ''you're a down syndrome''? Nice double-standard. Just because my insult was more precise to a specific type of mental issue you go all drama queen and report me for some internet tough talk. So again, GET OVER IT.

Not quite sure what double standard you're talking about (?) using either is not a good thing. Let me put it to you this way since you STILL don't seem to get it (and here I thought I was being crystal clear) you put down a group of people which I don't take very kindly to. I happen to know quite a few people who DO have down syndrome. The context in which you used it is DISRESPECTFUL (read: it's not right-simple enough for you?) don't really care what you call me and I thought I told you: I don't take orders from you. I'm not getting over anything as you've been giving me a hard time ever since I came out with my 10 QBs and for what? because you didn't agree with who I picked?! are you serious?! you GET OVER IT.

Re-read my freaking post, if you still dont see the double-standard then I really can't help you. 

I'm surprised Manning has only had two votes. If I could revote, I'd definetly take him over the other QBs on the list. This is the best he's played in his career. The Colts really have potential to the the Super Bowl winners, so long as the defence plays well.

I'd definetly take him over Brady right now, and don't bring up the arguement of when Brady suddenly got great receivers in Moss and Welker, he beat Manning's record: Brady threw 80 more passes than Manning did in his record breaking year and the Patriots were so content of running up the score that year, and there is no way Brady will ever accomplish that again. I can still see Manning throwing 40+ TDs and 4500+ yards this year. Plus, I hate the Super Bowl rings argument because for most of their careers, Brady has had a better defence than Manning, and we all know that defence wins championships. The last several playoff losses haven't been Manning's fault: when the Steelers beat them in 06, Manning lead them back from a 21-3 lead to a 21-18 defecit and Vanderjagt missed it in clutch time, in Chargers loss #1, Harrison made a stupid fumble early in the game, and Manning's two interceptions were both dropped by his receivers in the endzone and bounced to the Chargers players, and in Chargers loss #2, he had no chance to lead them after Sproles got the GW TD in OT. We can't blame Manning for everything.

[QUOTE="Koi-Neon-X"]Bobbles

He did. that is that. Also, that's the problem. I never said I had posting standards. It's one thing to bring a up a person with down syndrome and quite another defending yourself against someone's unruly attack. You can tell the difference correct? I did admit to BOTH of them that I was out of line (leader of the union and espurs) and even apologized to both so I wouldn't say I'm a hypocrite just someone who got upset at another user and his choice of words. I don't care who it is but, you start throwing around negative words and they're directed at me you better expect to get it back I don't care who you are. To be quite honest this whole thing has been very immature and it seems that nobody is willing to let it go. This was about the top ten QBs of 2009 correct? talk about getting off topic. Since nobody else will drop it-I'll be the first.

Re-read my freaking post, if you still dont see the double-standard then I really can't help you.

I did re-read your post and...nothing. At any rate this has gone on long enough. There are plenty of things you can do to voice your opinion (like maybe a blog or off-topic union) but, this is all beyond ridiculous and all it really had to do is with who I picked for my top ten QBs of 2009. What is the big deal? even more important: who cares? we seriously didn't have to drag this out for as long as we have and for the me the issue is quite finished.

Neon stop being a little girl, it is really that simple. K thanks. Espurs117

THIS is exactly what I'm talking about. Nobody needs to hear from you because you really have nothing intelligent to say. Oh, wait you heard your name being mentioned and just had to reply with a weak response right? only a matter of time before you slip up again and the mods get rid of you for good and I'm sure you'll provide them with a good reason in the near future. Your immaturity will be your downfall and with your post you only prove me right.

[QUOTE="kalabo10688"]WTF happeped[/QUOTE

It seems a few people have taken issue with who I picked as my top ten QBs for 2009 and quite frankly the whole thing is just really out of hand. It's nice to see Goliath_unit get things back on track with what this is supposed to be all about. It shows maturity where othesr lack it. Something very simple turned into something complicated and what makes me laugh is it doesn't make sense! just take a look at darth revans 666 responses and you'll see what I mean. He's basically screaming for attention! he doesn't like who I picked so now he has to show out and basically say "please, someone look at me" bobbles is utterly confused (guess the screenname fits) with the difference between slurring people with mental disabilities and simply defending yourself when someone bad mouths you for no good reason and espurs it goes without saying. He decided to bad mouth me and my thoughts on my favorite NFL player LT and so I dish it back to him, he can't take it, and goes crying to the union leader over the whole debate. Everybody has their own opinion and there is no need to slam someone just because your opinion doesn't match yours. All I can say is-WHATEVER.

Neon stop being a little girl, it is really that simple. K thanks. Espurs117

THIS is exactly what I'm talking about. Nobody needs to hear from you because you really have nothing intelligent to say. Oh, wait you heard your name being mentioned and just had to reply with a weak response right? only a matter of time before you slip up again and the mods get rid of you for good and I'm sure you'll provide them with a good reason in the near future. Your immaturity will be your downfall and with your post you only prove me right.

[QUOTE="kalabo10688"]WTF happeped[/QUOTE

It seems a few people have taken issue with who I picked as my top ten QBs for 2009 and quite frankly the whole thing is just really out of hand. It's nice to see Goliath_unit get things back on track with what this is supposed to be all about. It shows maturity where othesr lack it. Something very simple turned into something complicated and what makes me laugh is it doesn't make sense! just take a look at darth revans 666 responses and you'll see what I mean. He's basically screaming for attention! he doesn't like who I picked so now he has to show out and basically say "please, someone look at me" bobbles is utterly confused (guess the screenname fits) with the difference between slurring people with mental disabilities and simply defending yourself when someone bad mouths you for no good reason and espurs it goes without saying. He decided to bad mouth me and my thoughts on my favorite NFL player LT and so I dish it back to him, he can't take it, and goes crying to the union leader over the whole debate. Everybody has their own opinion and there is no need to slam someone just because your opinion doesn't match yours. All I can say is-WHATEVER.