Top 10 QBs for 2009

Please, quit being such a waste.themyrmidon

I'll try to improve that list:

1. Peyton Manning

2. Drew Brees

3. Aaron Rodgers

4. Matt Schaub

5. Tom Brady

6. Phillip Rivers

7. Tony Romo

8. Jay Cutler

9. Joe Flacco

10. Ben Roethlisberger

Oh sorry, I noticed CWEBB's picks and assumed that this was a thread dedicated to morons who make ridiculous statements that have no relevance at all.

FallToYourKnees

[QUOTE="FallToYourKnees"]

Oh sorry, I noticed CWEBB's picks and assumed that this was a thread dedicated to morons who make ridiculous statements that have no relevance at all.

Bobbles

[QUOTE="Bobbles"][QUOTE="FallToYourKnees"]

Oh sorry, I noticed CWEBB's picks and assumed that this was a thread dedicated to morons who make ridiculous statements that have no relevance at all.

themyrmidon

ROFLLMAOLOL!!!!!!

[QUOTE="themyrmidon"]Please, quit being such a waste.FallToYourKnees

I'll try to improve that list:

1. Peyton Manning

2. Drew Brees

3. Aaron Rodgers

4. Matt Schaub

5. Tom Brady

6. Phillip Rivers

7. Tony Romo

8. Jay Cutler

9. Joe Flacco

10. Ben Roethlisberger

First of all: LOL! Good stuff.

Second, Schaub and Rodgers above Brady? Really? No way in hell.

First of all: LOL! Good stuff.

Second, Schaub and Rodgers above Brady? Really? No way in hell.

wallymartin

Schaub has one go-to-guy in Andre.

Brady has always had an unbelievable supporting cast. Put him on the Texans or Packers right now and I think he does no better than Schaub or Rodgers.  

[QUOTE="wallymartin"]

First of all: LOL! Good stuff.

Second, Schaub and Rodgers above Brady? Really? No way in hell.

FallToYourKnees

Schaub has one go-to-guy in Andre.

Brady has always had an unbelievable supporting cast. Put him on the Texans or Packers right now and I think he does no better than Schaub or Rodgers.  

[QUOTE="FallToYourKnees"][QUOTE="wallymartin"]

First of all: LOL! Good stuff.

Second, Schaub and Rodgers above Brady? Really? No way in hell.

Bobbles

Schaub has one go-to-guy in Andre.

Brady has always had an unbelievable supporting cast. Put him on the Texans or Packers right now and I think he does no better than Schaub or Rodgers.  

This is Schaub's first decent season.  I'm not going to anoint him yet, but if he's been doing everything he should with a good O-line, a great WR and an emerging (now injured) TE.

I've liked Rodgers since his first game vs Dallas 2 years ago.  The kid showed poise in that game and has never stumbled too much in his short career.  He's the most sacked in the league right now, but that is no fault of his own; he's actually gotten out of the way of many incoming sacks.  If you were to put Brady in Green Bay and Rodgers in New England do you think each player/team would be better or worse off?  I think that the Pats would be doing slightly better, Rodgers stats would be way up, the Packers would be slightly worse and Brady having 10 more sacks than Rodgers has.  You can say that Brady has the awards and you'll be right, but do they necessarily mean he's better?  I'd take Rodgers over Brady. 

Ill take the guy who's clutch in the playoffs over the guy who has yet to play a playoff game. Too early in Rodgers career to take him over Brady. Bobbles

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]Ill take the guy who's clutch in the playoffs over the guy who has yet to play a playoff game. Too early in Rodgers career to take him over Brady. Goliath_unit

  "Brady has always had an unbelievable supporting cast."

Isn't that referring to Brady's career? So I responded by talking about Brady's career. Brady has more yards and TDS then Rodgers right now. I look at post-season success and Brady has been the most clutch, Rodgers hasn't done s*** yet. 

These awards are for the CURRENT best QBs in the league. Please quit talking about Brady's playing from 3 years ago.FallToYourKnees

[QUOTE="FallToYourKnees"]These awards are for the CURRENT best QBs in the league. Please quit talking about Brady's playing from 3 years ago.Goliath_unit

  "Brady has always had an unbelievable supporting cast."

Isn't that referring to Brady's career? So I responded by talking about Brady's career. Brady has more yards and TDS then Rodgers right now. I look at post-season success and Brady has been the most clutch, Rodgers hasn't done s*** yet. 

 

Bobbles

I'm not going to argue with you because these are two completely different guys.

A first-round pick versus a sixth-round pick.

Rodgers is in his second year as a starter, Brady's first start was back in 2001. 

[QUOTE="Bobbles"]

  "Brady has always had an unbelievable supporting cast."

Isn't that referring to Brady's career? So I responded by talking about Brady's career. Brady has more yards and TDS then Rodgers right now. I look at post-season success and Brady has been the most clutch, Rodgers hasn't done s*** yet. 

 

FallToYourKnees

I'm not going to argue with you because these are two completely different guys.

A first-round pick versus a sixth-round pick.

Rodgers is in his second year as a starter, Brady's first start was back in 2001. 

You just answered it yourself, on why Brady should be above Rodgers.

Also with your logic of "this season" then Rodgers should be above Manning and perhaps Brees. Manning and Brady virtually have the same numbers.

Brady won the SB with WRs with the name of Troy Brown (Love the dude but "C'MON MAN!") Deion "Overrated" Branch, David Patten, J.J Stokes (2003). 

Brady with Moss/Welker was a God-Helped Tyree catch away from winning the Super Bowl in 2007, and whos to say they wont this year? Tom Brady this year is putting up great numbers this year.

I can certainly say people will bet the Patriots will win the Super Bowl over Aaron Rodgers and Matt Shaub.

As a Patriots fan I can tell when people hate, and for some reason i smell a little haterade.

(I love Aaron Rodger and same with Matt Shaub, no shot at them but as a homer, I must defend my QB lol ;))

I'm not judging this on statistics alone, so no, my logic would not put Rodgers above Manning or Brees.

Deion Branch wasn't overrated with NE, he is bad now sure, but Randy Moss was bad with Oakland.

I don't like Brady, you're right. He's a great QB and a future Hall of Famer, but I just think Rodgers is better now, and will have the better career. He may not win 20 Super Bowls like Brady, but he'll have the better career. 

I'm not judging this on statistics alone, so no, my logic would not put Rodgers above Manning or Brees.

Deion Branch wasn't overrated with NE, he is bad now sure, but Randy Moss was bad with Oakland.

I don't like Brady, you're right. He's a great QB and a future Hall of Famer, but I just think Rodgers is better now, and will have the better career. He may not win 20 Super Bowls like Brady, but he'll have the better career. 

FallToYourKnees

So with better career you are predicting more than 5 Conference Championship Games more than 4 Super Bowl appearances more than 3 Super Bowl rings more than 2 Super Bowl MVPs for Rodgers?

Also Tom Brady MADE Deion Branch, without Brady Branch was garbage! Deion Branch was overrated! He never reached 1,000 and wanted a huge payout since he lucked out winning the SB MVP against the Eagles.

You said Randy Moss was crap in Oakland? Well Tom Brady must be some hell of a QB to revatilize Moss and break the TD record the first year together!

Brady makes the lesser talent around him better, Troy Brown, David Patten, Daniel Graham, Deion Branch, Wes Welker, Jabar Gaffney.

Troy Brown without Brady is nothing (I love Troy but it is true)
David Patten without Brady in WAS then in NO garbage!
Daniel Graham without Brady in DEN...next!
Deion Branch without Brady, lmaooo next!
Wes Welker without Brady? Remember him in Miami? No? Thought so.
Jabar Gaffney without Brady? Remember him being the biggest bust WR in HOU? What's he doing in DEN? NOTHING

Tom Brady makes the team better and his TE/WRs. Aaron Rodgers was gracefully put into a system where there were already an established RB and 2 Pro Bowl Caliber WRs in Greg Jennings and Donald Driver.

Statisically Rodgers is outbesting almost everyone if you ask me. But he is the 4th best QB at best with Brady, Manning, and Brees (No particular order) 

I love Rodgers as much as the next guy, but it is crazy to say he is better than Brady crazier to rank Shaub over Brady as well. Both haven't done anything and the "Oh he will, I think he can, He should be able to win this sometime in the future..." Sorry until that occurs it is Brady over Rodgers and Shaub if you ask me.

I doubt both of them combined with equal the amount of Postseason achievements by Brady. Period. Point. Blank.

I said Rodgers might not win Super Bowls, but he will have the better career.

By the way, who is this established RB that Green Bay already have of whom you're speaking of? 

Greg Jennings wasn't Pro Bowl caliber until Rodgers came in. He was a decent receiver with Favre, but not Pro Bowl caliber.

Randy Moss also did very well with Culpepper, who by the way, is a backup now.

Gaffney, Patten, and Graham have never done anything with or without Tom Brady. 

You're giving Brady the credit for developing no-name guys. Ever heard of Bill Belichick? He's pretty good. In fact, even "mastermind" isn't quite enough to describe him. 

Ever heard of Matt Cassel? He stepped in for Tom Brady last year and had a great season. Now he sucks in KC. I wonder if the fact that he lost his amazing defense, receivers, running backs, coaches, and o-line had anything to do with it. 

Aaron Rodgers has two go-to-guys. Greg Jennings and Donald Driver. Jennings is beginning the prime of his career sure, but Driver is getting old. Grant isn't consistent enough to be considered a go-to-guy. Rodgers' offensive line is arguably the worst in the league right now. His coach is in his second year as an NFL head coach. He lost two of his best defensive players for the year. 

Please quit acting like Rodgers stepped onto a dream team and just played casually. The guy is doing great with very little. I can't say the same for Brady. 

Eh...the Packers went 13-3 the year before Rodgers took over.Bobbles

I never said Rodgers was with a bad team, but he has yet to have a great supporting cast like Brady.

McCarthy is in his third year as head coach by the way, I looked it up. It wasn't my point to show his inexperience, but rather to compare his experience to Belichik's 15 years as an NFL head coach.

How is "now" too early? 

Lmao, Brady won 3 Super Bowls with a less stellar supporting cast that the current Packer team. Matt Cassel is doing decent given the situation that is in KC which is in rebuilding mode.

Belichick without Brady doesn't win 3 SuperBowls. Bledsoe wouldn't have brought them to an improbable SB win over the Rams in 2001. Greg Jenning or Donald Driver are both tremendously better than the Patriots best WR Troy Brown/Deion Branch.

Aaron Rodger picked up a 13-3 team and got it to 6-10, given it wasn't all his fault Brady in 2006 with horrid talent around him brought the Patriots to the Divisional Playoff game against DEN and was a Champ Bailey red-zone INT away from another AFC Championship game.

 You said it yourself, you dislike Tom Brady, so it is already obvious you will refuse to give credit to Brady where credit is due.

 With the talent Rodgers has he better win game that offense is great (O-Line sucks) and the defense is hitting some strides this year.

Eh...the Packers went 13-3 the year before Rodgers took over. It's not like he took over trash and made it better. Jennings was only in his 2nd year during Favre's last year as a Packer and he started breaking out that year(900 yards and 12 TDs). And uh, the coach of the Packers(Mike McCarthy) is in his 4th year as HC not 2nd. Please quit acting like Rodgers stepped onto a bottom feeder and made them a contender. He's a good QB and it's too early in his career to say he's better then Brady, sorry.Bobbles

He hit the nail right on the coffin. If what you were saying about Rodgers and what not were true then why when the media, newspapers, fans, and people in general speak of the best QBs tend to mention Brady and Manning? 

Coincidence? I think not.

Please do not compare Brady to Rodgers because such a claim is very ignorant and shows to me that the Brady Hate is there and you refuse to give credit where it is do. I HATE Peyton Manning, but gosh, the man is one great QB and even if i think Brady is better, if someone says otherwise I see reason why and do not refute it. Aaron Rodgers on the other hand? He hasn't done anything!

No comparison....

How is "now" too early? 

FallToYourKnees

Because come playoff time, if you ask me who I rather have Rodgers or Brady? I'm taking Brady no doubt. Why? His track record speaks for itself. Rodgers hasn't played a playoff game yet, so I have no idea how he's going to play.

Wherever you got your McCarthy information from is wrong. This is his 4th year as HC. Yes, Bill>Mike. But let me remind you that Bill had only coached a team to the playoffs one time before Tom Brady came around. He wasn't really relevant as a HC until Brady, so give both of them credit for the Patriots dynasty.

Btw Aaron Rodgers stats this year rather inflated if you ask me let's take a look.

GB has beaten CHI, STL, DET, CLE, DAL, SF, and DET again.

Combined record of those teams 19-45.
Take away that fluke win over DAL and it is a combined 11-42.
They also lost to the lowly Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Shows to me that GB hasn't really beat anyone to merit your Rodgers over Brady yet.

As for Brady and the Patriots they have beaten BUF, ATL, BAL, TEN, TB, MIA, NYJ

Combined record of 39-49.
Take out that TB game and it is 38-39
Also, Patriots were a 4th&2 away from winning at IND (It pains me to say :()

Aaron Rodgers hasn't beat anyone yet in his career nor this year. Brady boy i wish he would face DET twice coupled with CLE and STL and then TB i would be so happy :)

 Coming into this week (Prior to Thanksgiving game) these were the stats.

Tom Brady -     261/393, 3049 Yards, 66.4%,  20 TDs, 6 INT
Aaron Rodgers- 221/341, 2788 Yards, 64.8%, 19 TDs, 5 INT

Let's remember whom Rodgers has faced STL, CLE, DET, TB all horrid defenses. Brady has play BAL, IND, NYJ, MIA all pretty good defensive teams.

This proves your "Rodgers over Brady" is ignorant and purely fueled by hate

[QUOTE="FallToYourKnees"]

I don't like Brady, you're right. He's a great QB and a future Hall of Famer, but I just think Rodgers is better now, and will have the better career. He may not win 20 Super Bowls like Brady, but he'll have the better career. 

Mister__Awesome

So with better career you are predicting more than 5 Conference Championship Games more than 4 Super Bowl appearances more than 3 Super Bowl rings more than 2 Super Bowl MVPs for Rodgers?

I said Rodgers might not win Super Bowls, but he will have the better career.

FallToYourKnees

What good is a career if you don't achieve the ultimate goal when playing in the NFL which is to win a SB. Do people say Dan Marino had a better career than Joe Montana? NO!

 No comparison...

Big Ben 2 Superbowls, he turned the Steelers around, the year before, the steelers were 6-10.. If Ben wasnt always being sacked, and injured, his stats would be better.