Dear Nintendo... (racial issues...)

[QUOTE="jigie"]can you please give us an example of your "perfect" none racial kinda game? Tip: make sure the bad guy is "good" or else that might be interpreted as something racial on how he looks.garrett_duffman

So if were to ignorant to realize the the subliminal racism/sexism in these games what makes you think CHILDREN are going to pick up on it. I can understand not wanting to offend someone. But you're out looking for this stuff just to be controversial, your seeing this stuff where we don't because you want to see it.

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"][QUOTE="black_ice23"]your just reading to much into things but really metroid was just a sales tactic, cuz young boys at the time and society at the time didnt wanna buy a game with a strong female leade, so not revealing her gender til the end was a way to trick boys to be like "HOLY CRAP, meh. shes still cool" Link? really u are really reading into things and i hardly think Gannon could be considered black, and this coming from a black man Mario dude of all things you could have picked you chose that? i figured you would go after the Shrooms drug connection, but even those are not intentional, Now Square Enix on the other hand,....jigie

still waiting for a reply from nintendo... how long does something like this usually take? then again i guess they have to handle this type of thing pretty delicately huh?garrett_duffman

[QUOTE="jigie"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"] the fact with samus, is that she sells games by hiding behind a masculine suit. look at super princess peach if you want nintendos view on female heroes, or better, cooking mama. honestly im suprised you people are understanding this by now...black_ice23

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]still waiting for a reply from nintendo... how long does something like this usually take? then again i guess they have to handle this type of thing pretty delicately huh?black_ice23

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]still waiting for a reply from nintendo... how long does something like this usually take? then again i guess they have to handle this type of thing pretty delicately huh?black_ice23

[QUOTE="black_ice23"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]still waiting for a reply from nintendo... how long does something like this usually take? then again i guess they have to handle this type of thing pretty delicately huh?jigie

[QUOTE="black_ice23"][QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]still waiting for a reply from nintendo... how long does something like this usually take? then again i guess they have to handle this type of thing pretty delicately huh?garrett_duffman

Dear Nintendo,

I have been a fan of your products for a few years, my first system of yours being a gamecube, and i have followed you loyaly ever since. Lately, however, I cant help but notice some racism going on within your business, whether it be within your games or during a conference. I hope that you will consider my opinion next time you are doing something that could be construed as some sort of racism. Lets start with racism inside games.

Several games that i have noticed with racial/sexist messages/innuendos, are The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, and Yes, even Super Mario Brothers. Let me elaborate:

In The Legend of Zelda, you play as a blond-haired, blue eyed, or arian, hero, who has to overcome impossible obstacles, despite his young age, and ultimately defeat the black-skinned, red-haired pig man. I don't believe that much explanation is needed here to say why this would be construed as offensive. Red hair is the clear mark of an irishmen, with the features and complexion of a black man, one of the ONLY black men in any of your series, and he plays the ultimate evil. The message that i recieve from this is, is that Black people are evil, ad irish people are evil, but combined they create an incredible evil. i would appreciate it if changes were made to this character to avoid offense anymore.

Second up, is the Metroid series. Now some of you may think, "Why would anything in Metroid be considered offensive? Samus is a girl!" but this is what i have to say to that: Who knew? the only female hero you have only has power because of a very MASCULINE suit of futuristic armor. The game was clearly suited towards men, and alot of men had to be specifically informed that the hero of metroid was a girl. I would reccomend not hiding Samus ( which is a pretty manish name) behind her armor all of the time, to not offend the women.

Lastly (in games), but not-in-any case least, is your infamous Mario, who has single handedly been pumping racism and sex into childrens minds since you have started your little business. Lets start with the basics of the game. Your ultimate goal in every game is to get Peach, a blonde-haired, blue eyed (arian) beauty, whos name coincidentally happens to be a slang term for a private part of female anatomy, subconciously telling every little boy who plays this game that his ultimate goal, much like Mario's, is to get Peach. Mario, for second, is a very steriotypical Italian plumber. He is quite often pointed out in his games for his mustache, as Italians are stereotypically hairy beings, you could see how this could be offensive. Yoshi is a mockery of dinosaurs everywhere. No dinosaur would allow itself to be ridiculed by being ridden by a man, being punched in the back of the head to the point where its tongue would fly out of its mouth, without retaliation. Wario is clearly portraited as your sterotypical American, being lazy and cheap and crude, and i would like to inform you that as a caucasion U.S. male, I find this quite offensive, and would greatly appreciate it if you would change the characters characteristics in these games.

During your GDC event, you showed a picture of an asian man, dressed up in a ten-gallon hat and other cowboy apparel, looking ridiculous. I would like for you to personally apologize for this image, as it is making a mockery of a race of true pioneers that worked their keesters off to provide the U.S. with a better tomorrow. Without them and thier trailbblazing ways, we might not have had such a liveable america, and i for one, am gratedul that the cowboys existed, and i am quite appaled at the lack of respect you showed towards them.

I truly hope you consider my points, altough i have no power to take any actions, i would hope you just care enough for the consumer to peruse his words. thank you.

garrett_duffman

People: If you go looking for racism, sex, innuendos, you will find it. You can find it in a children's program. You can find it in Schools. You will find it anywhere. It's not because there is sex, racism, etc. within it. It's because Everything possible has been taken and made into something that it is not. Such as your example Peach. Guess what: Peach is a type of FRUIT before it is any kind of sexual innuendo, and children wont see it that way. They see it as the fruit.

I wish people would stop looking for anything and everything to try and make games sound bad for kids.

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]

Dear Nintendo,

I have been a fan of your products for a few years, my first system of yours being a gamecube, and i have followed you loyaly ever since. Lately, however, I cant help but notice some racism going on within your business, whether it be within your games or during a conference. I hope that you will consider my opinion next time you are doing something that could be construed as some sort of racism. Lets start with racism inside games.

Several games that i have noticed with racial/sexist messages/innuendos, are The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, and Yes, even Super Mario Brothers. Let me elaborate:

In The Legend of Zelda, you play as a blond-haired, blue eyed, or arian, hero, who has to overcome impossible obstacles, despite his young age, and ultimately defeat the black-skinned, red-haired pig man. I don't believe that much explanation is needed here to say why this would be construed as offensive. Red hair is the clear mark of an irishmen, with the features and complexion of a black man, one of the ONLY black men in any of your series, and he plays the ultimate evil. The message that i recieve from this is, is that Black people are evil, ad irish people are evil, but combined they create an incredible evil. i would appreciate it if changes were made to this character to avoid offense anymore.

Second up, is the Metroid series. Now some of you may think, "Why would anything in Metroid be considered offensive? Samus is a girl!" but this is what i have to say to that: Who knew? the only female hero you have only has power because of a very MASCULINE suit of futuristic armor. The game was clearly suited towards men, and alot of men had to be specifically informed that the hero of metroid was a girl. I would reccomend not hiding Samus ( which is a pretty manish name) behind her armor all of the time, to not offend the women.

Lastly (in games), but not-in-any case least, is your infamous Mario, who has single handedly been pumping racism and sex into childrens minds since you have started your little business. Lets start with the basics of the game. Your ultimate goal in every game is to get Peach, a blonde-haired, blue eyed (arian) beauty, whos name coincidentally happens to be a slang term for a private part of female anatomy, subconciously telling every little boy who plays this game that his ultimate goal, much like Mario's, is to get Peach. Mario, for second, is a very steriotypical Italian plumber. He is quite often pointed out in his games for his mustache, as Italians are stereotypically hairy beings, you could see how this could be offensive. Yoshi is a mockery of dinosaurs everywhere. No dinosaur would allow itself to be ridiculed by being ridden by a man, being punched in the back of the head to the point where its tongue would fly out of its mouth, without retaliation. Wario is clearly portraited as your sterotypical American, being lazy and cheap and crude, and i would like to inform you that as a caucasion U.S. male, I find this quite offensive, and would greatly appreciate it if you would change the characters characteristics in these games.

During your GDC event, you showed a picture of an asian man, dressed up in a ten-gallon hat and other cowboy apparel, looking ridiculous. I would like for you to personally apologize for this image, as it is making a mockery of a race of true pioneers that worked their keesters off to provide the U.S. with a better tomorrow. Without them and thier trailbblazing ways, we might not have had such a liveable america, and i for one, am gratedul that the cowboys existed, and i am quite appaled at the lack of respect you showed towards them.

I truly hope you consider my points, altough i have no power to take any actions, i would hope you just care enough for the consumer to peruse his words. thank you.

zeldafreak178

People: If you go looking for racism, sex, innuendos, you will find it. You can find it in a children's program. You can find it in Schools. You will find it anywhere. It's not because there is sex, racism, etc. within it. It's because Everything possible has been taken and made into something that it is not. Such as your example Peach. Guess what: Peach is a type of FRUIT before it is any kind of sexual innuendo, and children wont see it that way. They see it as the fruit.

I wish people would stop looking for anything and everything to try and make games sound bad for kids.

I love how people keep replying and abusing you thinking you mean this it's great. Some people love to fight on here and defend things.

Let me guess...You were one of those people who petitioned for the ban of RE5 right? C'mon give it a rest. I could say sony is racist, because all of their consoles are black....see where I'm going with this? TechGuru89

PSX was white and PS1 was grey.

I love how people keep replying and abusing you thinking you mean this it's great. Some people love to fight on here and defend things.

Bruceisright

To Clickety: Ganondorf's skin is clearly black.How does this skin look green to you at all?

Not capable of colour besides black ey... yup.. that's right, just like a black person is not capable of colour besides black right? They're born black, and remain black (unless you're Michael Jackson ofcourse.) Discrimination against something real - You do realise this whole thread is about fictional characters? Mr Game & Watch is still man-shaped, and very capable of being an icon of racism or discrimination. trugs26

this thread is proof of Poe's Law ( http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law )

this thread is proof of Poe's Law ( http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law )

alexanderpas

You forgot one big one--Punch-Out!! Every character is a racial stereotype. It doesn't really bother me because it's all for fun (and there's a stereotype of every race so at least they're not being selective).

I was always a bit confused as to why there has never been a black character in any Zelda game--or really any Nintendo game--ever. I did notice, though, that in Phantom Hourglass the ship fixer-upper guy is black, and he's a pretty cool dude. I was also concerned about Animal Crossing. Nomatter what, you're going to be a white boy or a white girl--no different options for skin color.

You have a good point, but I think if you're actually going to write a letter you might want to add a few more examples or racism and/or stereotyping. I think if they really are looking to expand their audience they should consider things like that.

Samus' gender isn't a race problem.>_> (Yes,I know this thread is satire,but the problem is still there.:P )

eh, whats the fun in satire if there arent people who take themselves too seriouslygarrett_duffman

Now I feel like an effing idiot. I was sort of hoping you were being satiracle--especially with the Mario Bros. thing--but I thought I'd back you up anyway. There. Now I feel better about myself.

Are you trying to find new things to b**** about? I mean wow your going out of your way to point out all of these things that no normal person thinks about. I am 18 and have been playing Zelda games for a while now and not once have i taken anything racist. Wario is offending you? well maybe you should cry about it somemore i mean nintendo isnt going to change all of there characters all of a sudden because you think everything is racist. The problem with racistism is that people are just looking and finding new things to complain about and label racist. Being racist is human nature and everyone is a little bit no matter who you are and dont even try to tell me your not because thats just false.

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Lastly (in games), but not-in-any case least, is your infamous Mario, who has single handedly been pumping racism and sex into childrens minds since you have started your little business. Lets start with the basics of the game. Your ultimate goal in every game is to get Peach, a blonde-haired, blue eyed (arian) beauty, whos name coincidentally happens to be a slang term for a private part of female anatomy, subconciously telling every little boy who plays this game that his ultimate goal, much like Mario's, is to get Peach. Mario, for second, is a very steriotypical Italian plumber. He is quite often pointed out in his games for his mustache, as Italians are stereotypically hairy beings, you could see how this could be offensive. Yoshi is a mockery of dinosaurs everywhere. No dinosaur would allow itself to be ridiculed by being ridden by a man, being punched in the back of the head to the point where its tongue would fly out of its mouth, without retaliation. Wario is clearly portraited as your sterotypical American, being lazy and cheap and crude, and i would like to inform you that as a caucasion U.S. male, I find this quite offensive, and would greatly appreciate it if you would change the characters characteristics in these games.

During your GDC event, you showed a picture of an asian man, dressed up in a ten-gallon hat and other cowboy apparel, looking ridiculous. I would like for you to personally apologize for this image, as it is making a mockery of a race of true pioneers that worked their keesters off to provide the U.S. with a better tomorrow. Without them and thier trailbblazing ways, we might not have had such a liveable america, and i for one, am gratedul that the cowboys existed, and i am quite appaled at the lack of respect you showed towards them.

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garrett_duffman

first of all: you are reading way too much into games. you could basically do this with every topic and assume sth is racist. e.g. the wii is white, is that racist too? the playstation is black so does sony hate white people? in LOTR legolas has blond hair, blue eyes and kills foreign people - racist?

the thing with mario: mario is ofc steriotypical! the graphics were so bad back then u need to design a chracter in that way to make him sth special - thats the reason why he even got a mustache.

the gdc thing: are u kidding me? u want an aopolgy for that? have u even been to a carnival where people masquerade themselves? u also want an apology from every person in the world who has ever masqueraded himself as a cowboy?

if you are really trying to look for sth u will always find something. take a deep breath and dont assume that everything has a special meaning

[QUOTE="garrett_duffman"]

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Lastly (in games), but not-in-any case least, is your infamous Mario, who has single handedly been pumping racism and sex into childrens minds since you have started your little business. Lets start with the basics of the game. Your ultimate goal in every game is to get Peach, a blonde-haired, blue eyed (arian) beauty, whos name coincidentally happens to be a slang term for a private part of female anatomy, subconciously telling every little boy who plays this game that his ultimate goal, much like Mario's, is to get Peach. Mario, for second, is a very steriotypical Italian plumber. He is quite often pointed out in his games for his mustache, as Italians are stereotypically hairy beings, you could see how this could be offensive. Yoshi is a mockery of dinosaurs everywhere. No dinosaur would allow itself to be ridiculed by being ridden by a man, being punched in the back of the head to the point where its tongue would fly out of its mouth, without retaliation. Wario is clearly portraited as your sterotypical American, being lazy and cheap and crude, and i would like to inform you that as a caucasion U.S. male, I find this quite offensive, and would greatly appreciate it if you would change the characters characteristics in these games.

During your GDC event, you showed a picture of an asian man, dressed up in a ten-gallon hat and other cowboy apparel, looking ridiculous. I would like for you to personally apologize for this image, as it is making a mockery of a race of true pioneers that worked their keesters off to provide the U.S. with a better tomorrow. Without them and thier trailbblazing ways, we might not have had such a liveable america, and i for one, am gratedul that the cowboys existed, and i am quite appaled at the lack of respect you showed towards them.

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ganga_

first of all: you are reading way too much into games. you could basically do this with every topic and assume sth is racist. e.g. the wii is white, is that racist too? the playstation is black so does sony hate white people? in LOTR legolas has blond hair, blue eyes and kills foreign people - racist?

the thing with mario: mario is ofc steriotypical! the graphics were so bad back then u need to design a chracter in that way to make him sth special - thats the reason why he even got a mustache.

the gdc thing: are u kidding me? u want an aopolgy for that? have u even been to a carnival where people masquerade themselves? u also want an apology from every person in the world who has ever masqueraded himself as a cowboy?

if you are really trying to look for sth u will always find something. take a deep breath and dont assume that everything has a special meaning

I actually found it quite funny, more so some peoples raections that continue to consider it as serious and dont read anything but the first post before replying, it's true when they say people shoot first ask questions later even when the answer is right in front of them. It is interesting how people chose to have to defend something that could of simply been an opinion no matter how completely insane it may have been like this one. Although based on expierience if some one were to think a simillar way to this there would be no way of changing their mind since they would want you wasting your time trying to begin with, I actually quite like people proving a point though with something as amusing as this though.

I actually found it quite funny, more so some peoples raections that continue to consider it as serious and dont read anything but the first post before replying, it's true when they say people shoot first ask questions later even when the answer is right in front of them. It is interesting how people chose to have to defend something that could of simply been an opinion no matter how completely insane it may have been like this one. Although based on expierience if some one were to think a simillar way to this there would be no way of changing their mind since they would want you wasting your time trying to begin with, I actually quite like people proving a point though with something as amusing as this though.

zenszulu