This on-rail shooter games need to come to a damn stop!

On-rails on Wii need to come to a stop! It's getting out of hand!:evil: Who wants to play Dead Space Extraction and RE: Dark Side Chronicles being moved automaticly!? Not me! These games that are on-rails could be so much more without rails! WHY CANT WE MOVE ON ARE OWN?!?!?!?!?!?

Its extremely lazy development and further more I take it as a personal insult to Wii owners, what makes them think we want this rubbish :evil:. I was really hoping for another RE game along the same lines as the 4th one :(.

dont buy em? I like the rail shooters, when palying with friends and not fullprice^^

It's not like they will be any better on consoles where you need aim assist just to hit something.

Some of us like rail shooters. If you want TPS, go buy those. Seriously, folks, not a big deal.

When it comes to horror games, dead on it's just tacky, it's better to give the player power over their charracter.

I passed over Dead Space Extraction and will do the same with Darkside Chronicles but Silent Hill is a first day purchase.

Wii is perfect for on-rail shooters and it has got a ton of them. That is good. The problem is Wii isnt getting a lot TPS because of that.

virus1000:

No, developers and publishers aren't putting titles on the Wii because they don't want to. Why they're being such stupidheads is another question altogether, but having an altogether different game impact the development of other games makes no sense. An ORS is relatively cheap using assets they already have, using a relatively small development team on a shoestring budget. It should not impact the development of a higher-budgeted game if the developers and publishers really wanted to do it.

They don't, and that is why they're not being made.

I've always liked on-rail games.

If they continue to make on-rail shooters as good as Dead Space Extraction then I'm fine with them.

Meh, there's always some fad genre in the industry. At least the on rails shooters are better then the onslaught of minigame collection we used to see.

Some of us like rail shooters. If you want TPS, go buy those. Seriously, folks, not a big deal.

roxlimn

Not a fan either. I want the time to finish an enemy off before the camera moves away. It's annoying when the camera goes somewhere you don't want it to.

Railshooters are like movies you get to click at. It's just not that fun, and it becomes boring extremely fast for me. I like games where you shoot things, but games where shooting is the only single thing you do are way too simplistic for me to enjoy.

Because its every developers dream to give gamers a weekend rental instead of something worthy of a full price purchase.

The hardware is there to make a full dead space, anyone who thinks otherwise needs to look at SMG, Monster Hunter Tri, Silent Hill, etc. Silent Hill being the leading example, because the main defense of extraction being on rails is that they wouldnt be able to create an adequate atmosphere otherwise... silent hill thinks otherwise.

Because its every developers dream to give gamers a weekend rental instead of something worthy of a full price purchase.

The hardware is there to make a full dead space, anyone who thinks otherwise needs to look at SMG, Monster Hunter Tri, Silent Hill, etc. Silent Hill being the leading example, because the main defense of extraction being on rails is that they wouldnt be able to create an adequate atmosphere otherwise... silent hill thinks otherwise.

TaMuK711

But... a railshooter is a lot easier to make. Sadly.

Litchie:

Wild guess here - you haven't tried DSE, have you?

Litchie:

Wild guess here - you haven't tried DSE, have you?

roxlimn

Litchie:

Wild guess here - you haven't tried DSE, have you?

roxlimn

Before you try and defend it, would you honestly rather play DSE (AA, on rails) over Dead Space (AAA)?

On-rails on Wii need to come to a stop! It's getting out of hand!:evil: Who wants to play Dead Space Extraction and RE: Dark Side Chronicles being moved automaticly!? Not me! These games that are on-rails could be so much more without rails! WHY CANT WE MOVE ON ARE OWN?!?!?!?!?!?

insect13

They're some of the best games on the Wii

Why don't you want good games on the Wii?

RE UC and the new one probably too, are bad.

But Dead Space Extraction is much, much better than you guys think.

And if you want a proper survival horror game on Wii, buy Silent Hill when it comes out.

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On-rails on Wii need to come to a stop! It's getting out of hand!:evil: Who wants to play Dead Space Extraction and RE: Dark Side Chronicles being moved automaticly!? Not me! These games that are on-rails could be so much more without rails! WHY CANT WE MOVE ON ARE OWN?!?!?!?!?!?

Jaysonguy

They're some of the best games on the Wii

Why don't you want good games on the Wii?

Because they want "better" which is absolutely achievable.

I like House of Dead. I'll get Sin & Punishment 2 next year. However, these 2 are on-rails shooters since the beginning.

Before you try and defend it, would you honestly rather play DSE (AA, on rails) over Dead Space (AAA)?

TaMuK711

Depends on my mood. I find that these days, I game with ORSs more because they're more social games and there's usually a lot more people around than I used to have. I'm not young anymore, so I don't have a lot of time where I just hang around with nothing to do. When I do have that kind of time, I would rather play turn-based strategy games first, then RPGs, then tactical shooters, then RTSs.

Adjustable-difficulty third person shooters just aren't very high on my list of games I want to play, and in the current hierarchy, they're lower on the rank than games I can entertain family and friends with.

Of course, your dilemma is bogus. The reason Dead Space Wii wasn't made is because the publisher didn't want to do it, not because DSE sucked out so much time and resources that it was the only one why could have made.

Litchie:

No problem. You can't force yourself to like something, after all, but you might want to give it a try before you hate on it, specifically. You know, some people don't like playing videogames and then unduly criticize them for being essentially a playable porn simulator, even when they knew nothing about that particular game. They were wrong about that one, you know.

This is tough for me, as I really do agree with the sentiment. Seeing these games coming out as rail shooters is aggrevating. It's the fact that they're entries in established, fun franchises so they feel like short-changed vesions of series' that would show more support if they were legitimately playing sequels.

On the other hand....they all kick ass! Both RE titles, House of the Dead (in-game) and Dead Space are all gorgeous games. Pretty enough to shut up most Wii naysayrs out there. And for RE and DS they are extrememly legit pieces of story expostion. Lot's of fan service and very polished entries in their respective series, so I honestly keep buying and enjoying playing them.

So we deserve legit sequels to RE and DS....but they keep being great games at the same time so I'll keep buying them :)

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On-rails on Wii need to come to a stop! It's getting out of hand!:evil: Who wants to play Dead Space Extraction and RE: Dark Side Chronicles being moved automaticly!? Not me! These games that are on-rails could be so much more without rails! WHY CANT WE MOVE ON ARE OWN?!?!?!?!?!?

TaMuK711

They're some of the best games on the Wii

Why don't you want good games on the Wii?

Because they want "better" which is absolutely achievable.

No it's not, not at all

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[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

They're some of the best games on the Wii

Why don't you want good games on the Wii?

Jaysonguy

Because they want "better" which is absolutely achievable.

No it's not, not at all

Litchie:

You're making the critical assumption that your personal distaste for a genre of game automatically makes any game in that genre inferior. How would you feel if I said that Dead Space is a fundamentally inferior game because it's a shooter - that we deserve better RTS-style games in that universe?

You're making the critical assumption that your personal distaste for a genre of game automatically makes any game in that genre inferior. How would you feel if I said that Dead Space is a fundamentally inferior game because it's a shooter - that we deserve better RTS-style games in that universe?

roxlimn

How would you feel if I said that Dead Space is a fundamentally inferior game because it's a shooter - that we deserve better RTS-style games in that universe?

I simply wouldn't care. At all. I don't say that DS:E is an inferior game because it's a railshooter, so I don't know why you brought that up.

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They're some of the best games on the Wii

Why don't you want good games on the Wii?

Jaysonguy

Because they want "better" which is absolutely achievable.

No it's not, not at all

Litchie:

Well, I don't like Dead Space even though I've never played it. I'm sure DSE is a superior game to it. A TPS Dead Space for the Wii shouldn't get made - rather we should get better-made ORSs with higher budgets.

Still not caring?

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They're some of the best games on the Wii

Why don't you want good games on the Wii?

Jaysonguy

Because they want "better" which is absolutely achievable.

No it's not, not at all

Prove me wrong. The technology is there to provide a good atmosphere for the game, EA just decided against it and took the easy way out.

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[QUOTE="TaMuK711"]

Because they want "better" which is absolutely achievable.

TaMuK711

No it's not, not at all

Prove me wrong. The technology is there to provide a good atmosphere for the game, EA just decided against it and took the easy way out.

No it's not

A Wii version of these rail shooter done in the "traditional" sense would have worse graphics, AI, sounds, and physics.

I don't know why you think the Wii is powerful enough to do these things.

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No it's not, not at all

Jaysonguy

Prove me wrong. The technology is there to provide a good atmosphere for the game, EA just decided against it and took the easy way out.

No it's not

A Wii version of these rail shooter done in the "traditional" sense would have worse graphics, AI, sounds, and physics.

I don't know why you think the Wii is powerful enough to do these things.

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No it's not, not at all

Jaysonguy

Prove me wrong. The technology is there to provide a good atmosphere for the game, EA just decided against it and took the easy way out.

No it's not

A Wii version of these rail shooter done in the "traditional" sense would have worse graphics, AI, sounds, and physics.

I don't know why you think the Wii is powerful enough to do these things.

Games like silent hill say otherwise, stellar lighting and shadow effects. Of course its not going to be 360/ps3 level.. but the on-rails games arent 360/ps3 level either, so why give a lesser graphical experience with less gameplay?

The games are out there displaying what the wii can do with textures and lighting, so yes, they can make a real dead space happen, they are just too lazy to.

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No it's not, not at all

Jaysonguy

Prove me wrong. The technology is there to provide a good atmosphere for the game, EA just decided against it and took the easy way out.

No it's not

A Wii version of these rail shooter done in the "traditional" sense would have worse graphics, AI, sounds, and physics.

I don't know why you think the Wii is powerful enough to do these things.

Probably because the GameCube was powerful enough to produce a game like Resident Evil 4, which a game that can still hold it's own against the best of the genre, despite the shortcomings you mentioned related to hardware power, and the Wii is more powerful and should be more than capable of doing the same. Developers know the whole on-rails shooter thing is a cop-out, and it shocks me that you're so supportive of such things when there are simply better and more fleshed-out experiences that can be made on the Wii. No one's asking that the graphics, physics, or AI be the same as they are on the HD systems. However, what's stopping developers from providing a great third-person experience with the same engine they're using for these rail-shooters, other than their own laziness?

If Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles was a game similar to RE4 with the visuals and atmosphere intact, I would be all over it come launch date. Instead, Capcom, like EA, took this whole rail-shooter route, and I have no interest in picking the game up. That might sound shallow, but it can be as simple as that when it comes to what some people are looking for. These days, developers want to see favorable results with Wii games with minimal effort. While these on-rails shooters may look great and try to provide more than the average light-gun shooting affair, we all know deep down that there's a corner or two being cut here.

Yeah, I'm also kinda' annoyed at the fact that developers are starting to use on-rails shooters as a means of Wii shooting games. Why can't they just put some serious effort into their games and let us do all the exploration? Stop with the on-rails shooters; give us TPS's and FPS's.:evil:

there are some genres that i do not particularly like, but they should not cease to exist based on my opinion of them. purchase the games you want to purchase and don't spend so much time and energy on things that you don't like. just avoid them. then everyone's happy.

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Prove me wrong. The technology is there to provide a good atmosphere for the game, EA just decided against it and took the easy way out.

TaMuK711

No it's not

A Wii version of these rail shooter done in the "traditional" sense would have worse graphics, AI, sounds, and physics.

I don't know why you think the Wii is powerful enough to do these things.

Games like silent hill say otherwise, stellar lighting and shadow effects. Of course its not going to be 360/ps3 level.. but the on-rails games arent 360/ps3 level either, so why give a lesser graphical experience with less gameplay?

The games are out there displaying what the wii can do with textures and lighting, so yes, they can make a real dead space happen, they are just too lazy to.

Dead Space Extracction proves it, graphical quality isn't dependent on what type of game it is (rail shooter, first person, third person), physics aren't special, the magnet gun and dismemberment have been done before in timesplitters and resident evil 4, stasis is new but probably not taxing.

Luigis Mansion and Rogue Leader were doing the same shadow effect Silent Hill SM is now doing, there may be a difference in technology but the results look close.

On-rails on Wii need to come to a stop! It's getting out of hand!:evil: Who wants to play Dead Space Extraction and RE: Dark Side Chronicles being moved automaticly!? Not me! These games that are on-rails could be so much more without rails! WHY CANT WE MOVE ON ARE OWN?!?!?!?!?!?

insect13

Even though I wish RE Darkside Chronicles was not onrails I still think it looks like a lot of fun. I only started playing the RE series with 4 on the PS2 and have loved it and just want to know more about it. I may eventually rent Dead Space extraction though because playing Dead Space on the 360 was amazing and I just want to know more of the stroy, if their is one in it.

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On-rails on Wii need to come to a stop! It's getting out of hand!:evil: Who wants to play Dead Space Extraction and RE: Dark Side Chronicles being moved automaticly!? Not me! These games that are on-rails could be so much more without rails! WHY CANT WE MOVE ON ARE OWN?!?!?!?!?!?

intro94

I wish common sense was core curriculum....

And why did people not complain about rail-shooters back then? Because developers were choosing to make first and third person shooters above rail shooters. The Wii has developers choosing to make rail-shooters as easier cash-ins rather than putting forth the effort to make a fps/tps. So yes, wii owners have every right to complain, because there ISNT an alternative to rail-shooters from big name developers.

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No it's not

A Wii version of these rail shooter done in the "traditional" sense would have worse graphics, AI, sounds, and physics.

I don't know why you think the Wii is powerful enough to do these things.

Ganados0

Games like silent hill say otherwise, stellar lighting and shadow effects. Of course its not going to be 360/ps3 level.. but the on-rails games arent 360/ps3 level either, so why give a lesser graphical experience with less gameplay?

The games are out there displaying what the wii can do with textures and lighting, so yes, they can make a real dead space happen, they are just too lazy to.

Dead Space Extracction proves it, graphical qualityisn't dependent on what type of game it is (rail shooter, first person, third person), physics aren't special, the magnet gun and dismembermenthavebeen done before in timesplitters and resident evil 4, stasis is new but probably not taxing.

Luigis Mansion and Rogue Leaderwere doing the same shadow effect Silent Hill SM is now doing, there may be a difference in technology but the results look close.

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On-rails on Wii need to come to a stop! It's getting out of hand!:evil: Who wants to play Dead Space Extraction and RE: Dark Side Chronicles being moved automaticly!? Not me! These games that are on-rails could be so much more without rails! WHY CANT WE MOVE ON ARE OWN?!?!?!?!?!?

TaMuK711

I wish common sense was core curriculum....

And why did people not complain about rail-shooters back then? Because developers were choosing to make first and third person shooters above rail shooters. The Wii has developers choosing to make rail-shooters as easier cash-ins rather than putting forth the effort to make a fps/tps. So yes, wii owners have every right to complain, because there ISNT an alternative to rail-shooters from big name developers.

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[QUOTE="intro94"] The PS2 had more onrail shooters.Did you complain back then?No? then shut up and dont buy themintro94

I wish common sense was core curriculum....

And why did people not complain about rail-shooters back then? Because developers were choosing to make first and third person shooters above rail shooters. The Wii has developers choosing to make rail-shooters as easier cash-ins rather than putting forth the effort to make a fps/tps. So yes, wii owners have every right to complain, because there ISNT an alternative to rail-shooters from big name developers.

wtf does valve have to do with anything? And why would you even mention Bungie, a MICROSOFT developer?? Provide a link showing that the PS2 had as many rail shooters are fps/tps or your just blowing smoke out your ***. Bottom line is that the big name, quality titles were NOT being developed as rail-shooters. fact.

Red Steel 2 is a completely unproven game. MW: Reflex? Are you seriously using that as a GOOD alternative? A 2 year old cash-in? Waw is a good example but ONE game cant last a console for the generation, sorry.

Come back when you've got a better discussion, because your just throwing out random or poor examples.

Who wants to play Dead Space Extraction and RE: Dark Side Chronicles being moved automaticly!?insect13

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[QUOTE="TaMuK711"]

I wish common sense was core curriculum....

And why did people not complain about rail-shooters back then? Because developers were choosing to make first and third person shooters above rail shooters. The Wii has developers choosing to make rail-shooters as easier cash-ins rather than putting forth the effort to make a fps/tps. So yes, wii owners have every right to complain, because there ISNT an alternative to rail-shooters from big name developers.

TaMuK711

wtf does valve have to do with anything? And why would you even mention Bungie, a MICROSOFT developer?? Provide a link showing that the PS2 had as many rail shooters are fps/tps or your just blowing smoke out your ***. Bottom line is that the big name, quality titles were NOT being developed as rail-shooters. fact.

Red Steel 2 is a completely unproven game. MW: Reflex? Are you seriously using that as a GOOD alternative? A 2 year old cash-in? Waw is a good example but ONE game cant last a console for the generation, sorry.

Come back when you've got a better discussion, because your just throwing out random or poor examples.