Zelda timeline revealed in Hyrule Historia?

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[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]

at the end of OoT Zelda says sorry for putting you through this and makes you a kid again. So I kinda figured you were a kid either way, and MM follows that. I mean what good is ridding ganon if you he is still there in the past when you go back?

After Link goes back to the child timelin Ganon is put on trial and is sent to execution; however, they couldn't do it, so they had to seal him in the twilight realm.

Minishdriveby

Timeline discussions are always so ridiculous. So you're saying that these

Are the same as these?

:|

[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]

Timeline discussions are always so ridiculous. So you're saying that these

Are the same as these?

:|

meetroid8

There are a set of sages of the Twilight Realm and a set of sages of the Sacred Realm.

There's also the Earth Sage and the Wind Sage of the Windwaker which their job is to pray to the Gods for the Master Sword to be in its true form.

the ones in the first picture are from the adult timeline, the ones from the second are from the child timeline. and one of those poor guys will die.wind waker follows the adult timeline, and you get to see both a zora and a kokiri sage, probably descendants from saria and ruto (my guess).

BrunoBRS

Really? How the hell could there ever be two sets of Sages? Have you played OoT? That is fannon, nothing in OoT ever suggests that there is a second set of Sages. Beyond that, there are no connections between TP and OoT, they are not a part of the same timeline.

meetroid8

When Link falls asleep for 7 years Ganon takes over. Then the spirit of the sages are awaken in the six (Rauru (although he is one of the ancient sages), Saria, Darunia, Ruto, Impa, Nabooru). However, when Link becomes a child at the end again the sages no longer exist in that timeline. This is why you see a different set of sages in Twilight Princess. These are Zelda's tutors (Auru says this) who also protect the twilight mirror/realm and lead ganon to execution, but end up sealing him instead.

As for the six sages from the adult time line, They eventually die off in the adult time line. Then the flood occurs. Ganon escapes the sacred realm and the ancestors of saria and Ruto (a Korok and a Rito) become the wind and earth sage.

Swiped this. Because I'm evil.

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wiifan001

That timeline has fallacies though. Where did Ganon get the trident in A link to the past onward if FSA is not connected to it?

Minishdriveby

(For the record, I didn't make the timeline)

Theoretically there could be a trident in each of the three branches, ergo three tridents.

Ganon could have found the trident in the branch starting at A Link to the Past (where Link fails to defeat him) and the Ganon in the timeline of MM-TP-FSA could have discovered that Trident at some point between Twilight Princess and Four Swords Adventures.

[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]

That timeline has fallacies though. Where did Ganon get the trident in A link to the past onward if FSA is not connected to it?

wiifan001

(For the record, I didn't make the timeline)

Theoretically there could be a trident in each of the three branches, ergo three tridents.

Ganon could have found the trident in the branch starting at A Link to the Past (where Link fails to defeat him) and the Ganon in the timeline of MM-TP-FSA could have discovered that Trident at some point between Twilight Princess and Four Swords Adventures.

Ganon dies in Twilight Princess. A new ganon is born in FSA and takes the trident to transform into the demon. That's the whole point of FSA. Ganon gets his trident which he then has in every game following.

^No one ever said a new Ganon has ever been born in this series, people just say that so these timelines make sense, despite Ganon constantly coming down with a case of death.

There is so much wrong information in this thread....

He was sealed in the Sacred Realm not the Dark Realm.

After Link goes back to the child timelin Ganon is put on trial and is sent to execution; however, they couldn't do it, so they had to seal him in the twilight realm.

You're right it's not and it never will mainly because they're two distinct swords.The goddess sword (Skyward Sword) turns into the Master Sword and the Picori Blade turns into the Four Sword.

The Four Sword didn't defeat Ganon it sealed him away...

Minishdriveby

There's a lot of wrong information here. First off, the Sacred Realm and the Dark World are one in the same, it becomes the Dark World because Ganon was there.

Second, that thing about going back and and the attempt to seal him, would be a plot hole and the reason why TP doesn't fit in any timeline. There were no sages when Link went back to being a child to do the sealing attempt. There was never any indication, that sages existed before Ganon took power.

And sealing Ganon last I checked counts as defeating him and since the Master Sword is the only sword that can beat him, kind of makes it lean toward either the Picori Blade being the Master Sword or another giant plot hole, either ones good.

Also when ganon dies and is ressurected it can be explained each time...

First death is Wind Waker he's dead for the rest of adult timeline.

Second death is Twilight Princess Ganon 1 is dead.

Ganon 2 is born before FSA and this new ganon acquires the trident of power transforming himself into the king of darkness.

Ganon 2 doesn't die in ALttP (his spirit lives on; play The Ancient Stone Tablets)

Ganon 2 however does die in The Legend of Zelda

Ganon 2 remains dead in Zelda 2

Ganon 2 is ressurrected by Twinrova (who didn't die because this is the child timeline) but is defeated by Link.

[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]

After Link goes back to the child timelin Ganon is put on trial and is sent to execution; however, they couldn't do it, so they had to seal him in the twilight realm.

GunSmith1_basic

This part I do not understand with the new timeline. By going back in time to give Link his childhood, they seem to have dropped off Link at the moment where he first met Zelda in the castle without Impa. At that point Ganondorf didn't have the Triforce of Power so it would be an easy thing to execute him or imprison him

^No one ever said a new Ganon has ever been born in this series, people just say that so these timelines make sense, despite Ganon constantly coming down with a case of death.

[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]

There is so much wrong information in this thread....

He was sealed in the Sacred Realm not the Dark Realm.

After Link goes back to the child timelin Ganon is put on trial and is sent to execution; however, they couldn't do it, so they had to seal him in the twilight realm.

You're right it's not and it never will mainly because they're two distinct swords.The goddess sword (Skyward Sword) turns into the Master Sword and the Picori Blade turns into the Four Sword.

The Four Sword didn't defeat Ganon it sealed him away...

Sepewrath

There's a lot of wrong information here. First off, the Sacred Realm and the Dark World are one in the same, it becomes the Dark World because Ganon was there.

Second, that thing about going back and and the attempt to seal him, would be a plot hole and the reason why TP doesn't fit in any timeline. There were no sages when Link went back to being a child to do the sealing attempt. There was never any indication, that sages existed before Ganon took power.

And sealing Ganon last I checked counts as defeating him and since the Master Sword is the only sword that can beat him, kind of makes it lean toward either the Picori Blade being the Master Sword or another giant plot hole, either ones good.

You are right I should have researched it more. They are one in the same

However, I already provided evidence for the other two.

The sages were Zelda's childhood tutors.

There is absolutely no evidence that Four Sword and Master Sword are the same. What plot hole are you talking about?

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]

^No one ever said a new Ganon has ever been born in this series, people just say that so these timelines make sense, despite Ganon constantly coming down with a case of death.

[QUOTE="Minishdriveby"]

There is so much wrong information in this thread....

He was sealed in the Sacred Realm not the Dark Realm.

After Link goes back to the child timelin Ganon is put on trial and is sent to execution; however, they couldn't do it, so they had to seal him in the twilight realm.

You're right it's not and it never will mainly because they're two distinct swords.The goddess sword (Skyward Sword) turns into the Master Sword and the Picori Blade turns into the Four Sword.

The Four Sword didn't defeat Ganon it sealed him away...

Minishdriveby

There's a lot of wrong information here. First off, the Sacred Realm and the Dark World are one in the same, it becomes the Dark World because Ganon was there.

Second, that thing about going back and and the attempt to seal him, would be a plot hole and the reason why TP doesn't fit in any timeline. There were no sages when Link went back to being a child to do the sealing attempt. There was never any indication, that sages existed before Ganon took power.

And sealing Ganon last I checked counts as defeating him and since the Master Sword is the only sword that can beat him, kind of makes it lean toward either the Picori Blade being the Master Sword or another giant plot hole, either ones good.

You are right I should have researched it more. They are one in the same

However, I already provided evidence for the other two.

The sages were Zelda's childhood tutors.

There is absolutely no evidence that Four Sword and Master Sword are the same. What plot hole are you talking about?

The triforce choose ganondorf as it's master quoting from the game: "as a divine prank from the gods"

JuarN18

That's a good explanation for why he doesn't die once he has it, however the games are quite clear that Ganondorf tried to get the Triforce but he could only have the Triforce of Power because his heart wasn't pure and it caused it to split. If Ganondorf never touches the Triforce it cannot split

You cant provide evidence for there being sages despite Link not going through the adventure, because there is none. There were simply sages in TP, if you accept TP as just completely separate, then its no issue at all. If you try and say TP and OoT are directly connected, then its a plot hole(or at best missing information), because there were no sages in the child timeline in OoT.

And when it comes to the swords, the evidence is the Four Sword being able to defeat Ganon, remember OoT said the Master Sword is the only weapon that can defeat Ganon, if your going to say these games are connected then every detail counts, that includes the MS being needed for Ganon. Not to mention like FPS said, I doubt Fujibayashi didn't do the whole sword coming from Skyloft thing on purpose, to make reference to the Picori Sword from MC.

When it comes to Ganon, correct me if I'm wrong but in FSA, his backstory never went beyond him betrying the Gerudo and stealing the Trident. Nothing was done to indicate it was a new one, in fact, the game did more to indicate that Link and Zelda from FSA is the same one from FS. Of course that would be impossible given the time difference between those games on this timeline. But it does create some questions, why would a new Ganon, create a dark version of a new Link? He wouldn't know anything about him and would have no reason to asssume this random guy would be his undoing. But if it was the same old Ganon on top of being the same Link from FS, then it makes sense.

On top of that, the Ganon in the failure timeline did die in LTTP, that's why he would need to be revived in the Oracle games, where he was again killed. Which kind of creates a problem of how he is alive in the original Zelda, especially since that game doesn't really have a story to help support his miraculous recovery.

Hey if you want you can check my timeline, it was really hard to put together and there are many holes, but I did a lot of research and tried my best. Also the Master Sword, Picori Blade and Four Sword are considered the same because the Picori Blade at the beginning of Minish Cap is what the Picori brought down from the sky a long with the Tri-force, so it's the legendary blade brought from the Sky, so what Link brought down from the Sky in Skyward Sword. It also looks similar to the Master Sword. The Picori Blade is broken and Reforged as the White Sword. The White Sword is infused with the 4 elemental stones so it becomes the Four Sword. So technically speaking they are all the same sword, just different variants. I'm thinking the Master Sword is the Four Sword, but with just the Earth Element, rather then all 4 elements, since it is purple colored, and you need the other 3 elemental stones to get the Master Sword in every game.FPS1337

So what we have is here is:

The Goddess Sword becomes the Master Sword. The Minish bring the blade of the Master Sword to the surface, which they call the "Picori Blade." The White Sword is the reforged with the Picori Blade. Four elements evolve the White Sword into the Four Sword.

That I can get so far...let's continue.

At some point the Four Sword becomes the Master Sword yet again. Although logical, it's speculation now. Some event had to trigger in between the game "Four Swords" and "Ocarina of Time" where the Four Sword becomes the Master Sword. The Master Sword is in all three branches of the timeline.

There's a hole there, but that can be patched up easily. I can buy that the Four Sword changes into the Master Sword once again.

But now we come to the real problem.

In the MM, TP, and FSA branch, we see that in after Twilight Princess, the Four Sword appears. In order for this event to happen, the Master Sword would yet again have to transform back into the Four Sword, which by my account is really unexplainable.

In that branch, we would end up with Goddess Sword, Master Sword, White Sword, Four Sword, back to Master Sword, back to Four Sword.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"] Really? How the hell could there ever be two sets of Sages? Have you played OoT? That is fannon, nothing in OoT ever suggests that there is a second set of Sages. Beyond that, there are no connections between TP and OoT, they are not a part of the same timeline.

Minishdriveby

When Link falls asleep for 7 years Ganon takes over. Then the spirit of the sages are awaken in the six (Rauru (although he is one of the ancient sages), Saria, Darunia, Ruto, Impa, Nabooru). However, when Link becomes a child at the end again the sages no longer exist in that timeline. This is why you see a different set of sages in Twilight Princess. These are Zelda's tutors (Auru says this) who also protect the twilight mirror/realm and lead ganon to execution, but end up sealing him instead.

As for the six sages from the adult time line, They eventually die off in the adult time line. Then the flood occurs. Ganon escapes the sacred realm and the ancestors of saria and Ruto (a Korok and a Rito) become the wind and earth sage.

I actually came up with a theory of why this may have happened. In the Four Swords Adventures a maiden says that once 4 valiant knights guarded the four elemental stones. This could be the four links, or Link and the three keepers of the stones, the Deku Tree, Daruna and King Zora. After sealing Vaati into the Four Swords, the Link defused the Four Sword only leaving the Earth Element inside the sword which Link watched over until his death in which he locked it up inside the Temple of Time making it only able to wielded by one worthy. The reason Link did not defuse this element and left it inside is because there was no suitable keeper, since he couldn't leave it with just normal castle town people they were too coruptable, so he locked it away in the sword. He gave the wind elemental stone to the Picori/Kokiri (Forest People), the fire to the Gorons and the Water to Zoras. I'm guessing they defused the blade so that Vaati could never escape, since he would be trapped and nobody could use the Four Sword, only the Master Sword. Another idea is that Four Sword is unable to kill evil, it is only able to seal it away. A possible theory of why the Master Sword can kill Ganon is because since Vaati is always sealed inside it and is true evil, it gives the sword the power to destroy true evil and also why despite the Four Sword having a lot more elemental stones, it is unable to kill and just seal true evil like Ganon and Vaati, just a theory though.

Anyways so after the Link to the Past, Ganon is dead, but he still has an evil presence and a new Ganondorf is born. This Ganondorf takes Ganon's trident, and gains the power of the evil monster. Ganon wants to free Vaati but the only way is to have someone take out the Four Sword, which does not exist at the moment since the Master Sword only contains one element. Ganondorf infuses the Master Sword with all the elements making it the Four Sword again, but since Ganondorf is not worthy and is evil, he cannot wield the blade. Zelda feels the seal is weakening because Ganondorf made it back to the Four Sword, so Zelda and Link and the 7 maidens check on it. Ganondorf summons a Dark Link from the Dark Realm to capture Zelda. Link being a valiant hero has no choice but to take the Legendary Blade and chase after Dark Link. When Link takes the blade out of the stone, Vaati finally escapes the stone and the events of the Four Swords Adventures Occur. Now that's a better explanation.

[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="meetroid8"] I repeat, there is no relation between OoT and TP. Nor is there anything to suggest that the Sages in TP ever existed in the OoT universe, or as someone else said, that there is another set of Sages in the Twilight realm. You're making connections that don't exist, unfortunately that is the only way to connect stories that don't have any connections to each other.meetroid8

I disagree. I think both statements can co-exist, and it's the same Temple of Time.

The time span here spans across several hundreds of years, a couple hundred between OoT and TP alone.

The Temple of Time is virtually identical in appearance with TP and OoT. I think there's only 1 Temple of Time.

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Temple_of_Time#Twilight_Princess

"After Link dies in Ocarina of Time, Ganon obtains the entire Triforce. The Seven Sages seal away Ganon and the whole Triforce as a last resort, but villains with their eyes on the Triforce make for the Sacred Realm, which eventually turns into the Dark World and is filled with evil power. The Seven Sages then try to seal away the Sacred Realm itself, but end up fighting with monsters. This is the Imprisoning War of A Link to the Past."

And here's the explanation that the flow from Ocarina of Time to A Link to the Past is logical. The seven sages DID seal Ganon despite Link failing to do so.

Now I get how this "new" branch plays out.

I saw the timeline. I kinda say I'm dissapointed if it is the real deal. Why? Well first of all it means that the Ocarina of Time Link, the epic Hero I play as in one of the timelines dies, and it doesn't even seem that bad because the Sages just end up imprisoning him in the Sacred realm. If Link ever lost to Ganon, you expect the whole world to fall into darkness, you expect it to be the fate of the universe relying on that battle, not oh well if Link loses they have a back up plan. Also it's sad because most of the games are judged on based on the failure timeline, meaning that all these games are based off the Ocarina of Time Link dieing. Also it doesn't make all that much sense because if you actually do die in Ocarina of Time against Ganon, there isn't actually an ending you just retry, it's not really an ending of the game, and Link's a hero, you play as him to succeed not fail. I sure hope that it's not the real timeline, there shouldn't be a fail timeline, just adult and child, but if Miyamoto made it from the beginning making the timeline like that then so be it.

And here's the explanation that the flow from Ocarina of Time to A Link to the Past is logical. The seven sages DID seal Ganon despite Link failing to do so.

Now I get how this "new" branch plays out.

wiifan001

I also have doubts about the Temple of Time being the same, I mean they are in two completely different places. The Master Sword being in the Lost Woods has more in common with LTTP than OoT.

Par the course, when trying to create a timeline, information is missing from that. First off the Imprisoning War that is spoke of LTTP, states that Ganon was sealed while getting the Triforce, if he got the Triforce from Link and Zelda, he would of had to do it outside of the Sacred Realm. There is no way he could be forced back in there and would have no reason to go back in there. Even if you wanted to say that Link failed in the last battle against Ganon, so the sages were awake, you still have that problem of there being no way to get him into the Sacred Realm. It took a huge battle, Link stabbing him in the head AND Zelda to seal him. Now in that scenario, Link is not around, Zelda is not around(assuming both are dead) and he is way stronger thanks to having the entire Triforce, so how exactly does he get sealed?

Sepewrath

Take it up to the guys at Zeldawiki.org, where I found that quote.

And how he got sealed? A possibility is the Goddesses granted the Sages the power to seal Ganon.

LttP does say that Ganon was sealed in the Sacred Realm after he went there to get the Triforce. We don't know what happened in the "Link dies" timeline so maybe one or both of Zelda and Link went to the Sacred Realm to lure Ganon inside as part of a plan to seal him there.

LttP does say that Ganon was sealed in the Sacred Realm after he went there to get the Triforce. We don't know what happened in the "Link dies" timeline so maybe one or both of Zelda and Link went to the Sacred Realm to lure Ganon inside as part of a plan to seal him there.

GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

LttP does say that Ganon was sealed in the Sacred Realm after he went there to get the Triforce. We don't know what happened in the "Link dies" timeline so maybe one or both of Zelda and Link went to the Sacred Realm to lure Ganon inside as part of a plan to seal him there.

wiifan001

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

LttP does say that Ganon was sealed in the Sacred Realm after he went there to get the Triforce. We don't know what happened in the "Link dies" timeline so maybe one or both of Zelda and Link went to the Sacred Realm to lure Ganon inside as part of a plan to seal him there.

wiifan001

Does the book ever say that link dies, or just that he fails? If he fails, it could be for a number of reasons, such as he couldn't find the Ocarina of Time in the castle moat and gave up and decided to go chill with his kokiri friends instead :P.

For me the timeline is this:

Child/----Majora's Mask--------Twilight Princess----FS---FSA----ALttP---Link's Awakening---Legend of Zelda---Zelda II---OOx

Skyward Sword ---- Minish cap--- OoT

Adult-----Wind Waker----Phantom Hourglass----Spirit Tracks


Skyward Sword is clearly the first and goddess sword turns into master sword.

Minishcap comes after skyward sword, kingdom on the land is set up. Picori blade turns into four sword. Vaati gets sealed into the four sword.

OoT is next very far into the future and is the first time to feature ganon. This also splits the timeline into child and adult.


Child:
Majora's Mask is directly after OoT.

Twilight Princess follows decades later and shows Ganon's escape from the twilight realm where he was sealed by sages. He also dies at the end.

Four Swords come after. Vaati escapes his seal, but his resealed.

Four Swords Adventure comes right after Four Swords. Link makes the decision to draw the four sword again causing Vaati to be released. We find out the master mind behind the game is Ganondorf although not the same ganon because every 100 years a new Male Gerudo is born. It's basically like Link and Zelda being reincarnated every game. Anyway the new Ganon steals the Trident of Power and is sealed into the Four Sword (not killed).

Link to the Past happens after Ganon escapes his seal and has the trident in tow. Link beats ganon once again, but he isn't destroyed like in Twilight Princess the epilogue takes place in BS Zelda: The Ancient Stone Tablets (made for the BS-X broadcasting system add on for the SNES in Japan) . I find it to be canon. It was developed by Nintendo. Anyway Ganon isn't dead that's the point.

Link's awakening happens.

Legend of Zelda happens Ganon II dies for reals.

Legend of Zelda II happens Ganon is still dead.

Oracle games happen Ganon is ressurected and killed again!

DONE!

Adult timeline

WW ganon breaks free of sacred/dark realm. Ganon is dead at the end; stabbed int he face!

Phantom Hourglass direct sequel + no ganon cause he's dead.

Spirit Tracks hundreds of years in the future, but no ganon because he's dead and the Gerudo's are a dead race.


Seems like the most logical timeline. Only minor plot hole is in the FSA to ALttP because ganon was sealed in the Four Sword.

EDIT: Actually this isn't a plothole any more if you look at the notes section Palace of FS was in the GBA title and should be considered canon. Ganon broke free from the Four Swords and you have to pick up the shattered blade to rebuild it.





Notes:


Four Sword CANNOT be the mastersword. Why? Well even if it's not canon in the GBA version of ALTTP there is an extra dungeon called the Palace of the Four Swords where you collect shards of the four swords to forge it back together all the while you're carrying the mastersword. This shows nintendo was not thinking the the swords to be the same!


It's clear there are two seperate sages. I don't care if you say there couldn't be sages in TP. It's canon. There's a freaking cutscene showing the act of imprisonment in the Twilight Realm by sages. The Twilight Sages seal Ganon away into the twilight realm. They even describe Ocarina of Time in the cutscene. Ganon is found out to have treacherous plot to decieve the king so he is sent to execution.


Also Ganon II evidence can be seen from dialogue in FSA:


"Curse that Ganondorf! He broke our laws and left for the pyramid...I don't know what he plans, but I am worried..."


"Once every 100 years, a special child is born unto my people.That child is destined to be the mighty guardian of the Gerudo and the desert.But this child, its heart grew twisted with every passing year.The child became a man who hungered for power at any price."


The OoT Ganondorf was revered by the Gerudo as their King. This Ganondorf is a theif and they hate him and see him as evil even as a child.


More evidence to show that FSA directly precedes LTTP is the location, yes the places you go to.

"We're told that the Lost Woods were once called the Forest of Light, until Ganon changed it with his powers shortly before Link gets there in FSA. This means that FSA is actually establishing the origin of the Lost Woods, as we know them in ALttP."

"In FSA, there's a group of thieves amidst the chaos in Kakariko Village. At the end of the game, we see some of those thieves in the Lost Woods, where they've evidently moved their base of operations... taking us to ALttP, where there are thieves in the Lost Woods, and there's also former base of a group of thieves in Kakariko."

"The Desert Temple was originally built to protect the path to the pyramid. In ALttP, it no longer serves its original purpose, now being the resting place of one of the pendants. This obviously doesn't work the other way around. ALttP's version of the temple also appears to be in ruins, compared to FSA's complete and functional temple. It seems to be frequent for FSA to show the origins of places and things from ALttP, frequent enough to say it was their intent all along (and we know this even more definitively from removed story elements I'll get to later)."

To be honest I like the idea of triple split timeline.

The whole "Link failed/died" aspect for me is really simple to grasp with out going into too much of the backstory of the series. Young link is fast forwarded 7 years into the future which would leave a gap in the young Link timeline. Link is assumed to be dead or Missing in action which would mean that he has failed his mission, Gannon takes over and leads into the events of a link to the past.

Link now transported 7 years into the future carries on his mission and defeats Gannon but is returned to live the missing years of his childhood which then creates alt universe one, basically rewriting the history which then leads into the TP theory that Gannon is sealed into the twiglight relem/universe etc.

The second alt universe leads into the Windwaker relem after Zelda has sent Link back to be a kid, Gannon is sealed and Hyrule is flooded.

Also one last personal thought regarding the failed/missing/dead link time line, if Gannon had taken over Hyrule caused mass destruction etc the first place which probably would have been destoried was the temple of time, which would mean that A link to the Past could be maybe 100's of years after the events of OOT.

To be honest I like the idea of triple split timeline.

The whole "Link failed/died" aspect for me is really simple to grasp with out going into too much of the backstory of the series. Young link is fast forwarded 7 years into the future which would leave a gap in the young Link timeline. Link is assumed to be dead or Missing in action which would mean that he has failed his mission, Gannon takes over and leads into the events of a link to the past.

Link now transported 7 years into the future carries on his mission and defeats Gannon but is returned to live the missing years of his childhood which then creates alt universe one, basically rewriting the history which then leads into the TP theory that Gannon is sealed into the twiglight relem/universe etc.

The second alt universe leads into the Windwaker relem after Zelda has sent Link back to be a kid, Gannon is sealed and Hyrule is flooded.

Also one last personal thought regarding the failed/missing/dead link time line, if Gannon had taken over Hyrule caused mass destruction etc the first place which probably would have been destoried was the temple of time, which would mean that A link to the Past could be maybe 100's of years after the events of OOT.

alstevens83

But the missing 7 years and Ganon taking over are shown. You come back and the town is all zombies and the castle belongs to Ganondorf. That is part of the timeline where Link stays an adult and Ganon is sealed. There's no third timeline needed in that

Silver Arrows.

What exactly is so hard to believe? THe fact that the goddess sword created the master sword which turned into the picori sword which turned into the four sword which sealed vaati which then turned into the master sword, but didn't release vaati and then turned back into the four sword and when drawn this time released vaati and in the next game it turns into the master sword once again? that seems a lot more illogical than.

There are two distinct swords. Each are magical. Master Sword can actually kill Ganon. The Four Sword is able to contain him much like the sages from OoT (because you don't believe in other sages).

Also what do you think the timeline is? We've been going on this discussion for a while and you've never said what you think it is.

i find it funny that releasing an official timeline makes people discuss even more the timeline and other possible timelines :PBrunoBRS

i find it funny that releasing an official timeline makes people discuss even more the timeline and other possible timelines :PBrunoBRS

You guys think too much. Unless theres a direct correlation like OoT > MM I just see it as a different Game. I don't sit down and try to think where SMB3 fits in with Super Mario RPG in the mario timeline.

I don't see what's the problem,they gave us a timeline,and they state how things happen in the book.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]i find it funny that releasing an official timeline makes people discuss even more the timeline and other possible timelines :Pwiifan001

Does the book ever say that link dies, or just that he fails? If he fails, it could be for a number of reasons, such as he couldn't find the Ocarina of Time in the castle moat and gave up and decided to go chill with his kokiri friends instead :P.

NaveedLife

Or he drowned in the castle moat. That's what I'm going with.

And the more I think about it, the more I believe Nintendo is just trying to get rid of the older games' places in the timeline by cutting them out in this "what if" scenario. Obviously the series wasn't created with a timeline in mind, and it wasn't until at least OoT (or, more likely, TWW) that they decided to put them in a chronological order. So this is their way of just cutting out the older games that are much more difficult to place.

What part(s) exactly doesn't make sense to you about this new branch?wiifan001

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]What part(s) exactly doesn't make sense to you about this new branch?BrunoBRS

but didn't Zelda and Link consider telling the King instead of fighting themselves? Thats where the ganon line comes from i think