Zelda timeline revealed in Hyrule Historia?

What part(s) exactly doesn't make sense to you about this new branch?wiifan001

I don't see what's the problem,they gave us a timeline,and they state how things happen in the book.

GreekGameManiac

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]What part(s) exactly doesn't make sense to you about this new branch?BrunoBRS

Skyward Sword and Majora's Mask don't crazy alternate timeline 4th dimensional parallel universes dragged on them.

This Link from OoT goes back and forth, back and forth through 7 years with several key differences. And then Zelda seals the time seal, creating another branch.

There could be a 4th dimensional occurence that as Link parallel to both of these branches that as Link was attempting to travel 7 years forward that time seal was blocked by Zelda and therefore Link couldn't do it because the time seal is blocked.

If any game would make a ton of alternate worlds, it would be MM. Because Link was actively altering time, constantly. When you went back, you reset everything, but then you would go change something. Say for example, you go back and you go help out at the ranch, that changes history. The next time you go back, obviously since you already got the mask, your not going to do it, so she gets kidnapped, while your off saving the Deku princess. The next time you go back, you don't do either of those things, you instead chase down the robber. That's three different timelines created right there.

That's not what happened in Ocarina, Link didn't time travel the first time, Link just slept for seven years. Even when Link does go back to do things as a child, it seems that he already done them, like the Song of Storms and the Spirit Temple. So Link never actually changed any part of history, until the end when Zelda sends him back.

but didn't Zelda and Link consider telling the King instead of fighting themselves? Thats where the ganon line comes from i think

LaytonsCat

Also what do you think the timeline is? We've been going on this discussion for a while and you've never said what you think it is.

Minishdriveby

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]What part(s) exactly doesn't make sense to you about this new branch?BrunoBRS

Meh, no big deal. Just cause they have not bothered to make a game in those scenarios, does not mean it couldnt happen.

[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]i find it funny that releasing an official timeline makes people discuss even more the timeline and other possible timelines :PBrunoBRS

The third branch in Ocarina of Time is the only way for the other games in the series to make sense.

I think it goes like this. Maybe someone posted similar here but I sure as hell don't feel like reading 105 posts.

Timeline A: When young Link enters the temple of time he never comes out in that timeline since Zelda sent him to another timeline she created by using a wrong method of time travel. So Ganon takes over, nobody is able to wield the power of the sword, blah blah, Sages seal him and we have the original games.

There's a war but without link, just the sages.

Timeline B: This is the timeline Zelda sends Link, a new timeline. In here young Link shows the king the triforce of courage and tells him about Ganon's plan. They apprehend Ganon and Link goes on to Majora's Mask.There's no war, no sages and Ganon is in jail. Meanwhile Link continues to live his childhood.

Timeline C: This is the timeline Zelda sent link from, so there's no Link here just like in C. Ganon is 'trapped' and he escapes, hyrule floods, and the cartonish series begin. S

There's a war with link and the sages defeating Ganon.

Makes sense to me, I literally started reading about this mess called zelda's timeline but Nintendo made a pretty good job. They segregated the 'old' games which were the most difficult to place. Although the placement of Oracles is still a bit iffy.

people there's no what if link lost to ganon scenario, in that timeline link disappeared, went to the temple of time never to come back

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="wiifan001"]What part(s) exactly doesn't make sense to you about this new branch?wiifan001

Skyward Sword and Majora's Mask don't crazy alternate timeline 4th dimensional parallel universes dragged on them.

This Link from OoT goes back and forth, back and forth through 7 years with several key differences. And then Zelda seals the time seal, creating another branch.

There could be a 4th dimensional occurence that as Link parallel to both of these branches that as Link was attempting to travel 7 years forward that time seal was blocked by Zelda and therefore Link couldn't do it because the time seal is blocked.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="wiifan001"] I ignore the other possible timelines. And of course this timeline should be discussed. For the purpose to understand it. I've learned so much in the last 36 hours of the Legend of Zelda series. @minish, Sepewrath I'm pretty sure there would be plotholes no matter what alternate master timeline is brought up, including this one. But this is the first time that 3 branches is being universally accepted. Can you believe it? 13 years later and Ocarina of Time still shocks the world. The greatest game of all time can do that ;)Nintendo_Ownes7

The third branch in Ocarina of Time is the only way for the other games in the series to make sense.

They actually already make sense with the two timelines. The past couple of years I feel they've been trying to tie up loose ends to games. But now Nintendo is just trying to cop out of the timeline by throwing everything pre-OoT into a third timeline so they never have to revisit it again.

Well the easy option would be to simply say there is no timeline and then they wouldn't have to worry about anything. They could still make reference to and connect any game they want, but they aren't obligated to stick to any specific sequence of events. So they could revisit those games or not at a whim.Sepewrath

i thought the enemy in FSA was vaati?BrunoBRS

Its a classic Ganon move, but the idea that the Gerudo would raise this person twice is just hilarious.


"Well that last Ganon sure screwed us over, but I got a good feeling about this one"

*Glances over at Ganon*

Ganon: HAHAHAHAHA Evil is Awesome!

"Yep, a good feeling"

Yeah I was was talking to someone on the Skyward Sword board about that earlier, they seem to think FSA slots right in and a new Ganon after the last one died for the thousandth time is perfectly fine. I mean how ridiculous of an idea is the Gerudo who lived through the shenanigans of Ganon in OoT, would turn around have their one male, name him Ganondorf, say he was turning more evil year by year and just sit back and not do anything. Even in the child timeline, he made a move against Hyrule and then of course TP, yet they would allow another Ganon to rise. That's absolute nonsense lol. But if the FS series is separate, then that's perfectly fine, because it would be that would count as a first time Ganon has tried anything that universe. Sepewrath

Its a classic Ganon move, but the idea that the Gerudo would raise this person twice is just hilarious.


"Well that last Ganon sure screwed us over, but I got a good feeling about this one"

*Glances over at Ganon*

Ganon: HAHAHAHAHA Evil is Awesome!

"Yep, a good feeling"

Sepewrath

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]Yeah I was was talking to someone on the Skyward Sword board about that earlier, they seem to think FSA slots right in and a new Ganon after the last one died for the thousandth time is perfectly fine. I mean how ridiculous of an idea is the Gerudo who lived through the shenanigans of Ganon in OoT, would turn around have their one male, name him Ganondorf, say he was turning more evil year by year and just sit back and not do anything. Even in the child timeline, he made a move against Hyrule and then of course TP, yet they would allow another Ganon to rise. That's absolute nonsense lol. But if the FS series is separate, then that's perfectly fine, because it would be that would count as a first time Ganon has tried anything that universe. Minishdriveby

didn't accomplish doesn't mean he didn't try. his cover just got blown before Dr. Ganondorf could prescript everyone with a severe case of the deads.BrunoBRS

Still by the time TP happened nobody remembered Ganondorf, and nobody would probably remember ganondorf from TP because he was behind the scene for the majority of the game.

yeah and attacking 10 year olds to death is certainly justifiable.BrunoBRS

Link wasn't allowed on their property so they attacked him.

yeah and attacking 10 year olds to death is certainly justifiable.BrunoBRS

a 10 year old with a sword :P. GET THAT LITTLE BASTARD!

I think it goes like this. Maybe someone posted similar here but I sure as hell don't feel like reading 105 posts.

Timeline A: When young Link enters the temple of time he never comes out in that timeline since Zelda sent him to another timeline she created by using a wrong method of time travel. So Ganon takes over, nobody is able to wield the power of the sword, blah blah, Sages seal him and we have the original games.

There's a war but without link, just the sages.

Timeline B: This is the timeline Zelda sends Link, a new timeline. In here young Link shows the king the triforce of courage and tells him about Ganon's plan. They apprehend Ganon and Link goes on to Majora's Mask.There's no war, no sages and Ganon is in jail. Meanwhile Link continues to live his childhood.

Timeline C: This is the timeline Zelda sent link from, so there's no Link here just like in C. Ganon is 'trapped' and he escapes, hyrule floods, and the cartonish series begin. S

There's a war with link and the sages defeating Ganon.

Makes sense to me, I literally started reading about this mess called zelda's timeline but Nintendo made a pretty good job. They segregated the 'old' games which were the most difficult to place. Although the placement of Oracles is still a bit iffy.

pela_yo

I'm pretty sure there'd be plotholes no matter how any Legend of Zelda master timeline and of any combination are fit.wiifan001

I'm pretty sure they didn't start caring about a timeline until last week lol. Of course I'm exaggerating, but I seriously don't think they thought about a strict timeline, until this year. I mean mostly, they would just talk about the timeline in regards to things that were early in the lore i.e. things like Minish Cap. When it came to things like Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, they never talked about timeline placement, but then they did for SS, another early lore game.

And I said the same thing about LTTP and WW earlier this week on the SS board, there is missing(and nonsensical) information in this what if timeline regarding Ganon's movements, they could have just stuck to the dual timeline theory and put it before Wind Waker and it really wouldn't have made much of a difference. The Original Zelda could be put anywhere, since Ganon is alive and there is no reasoning for how that came to be, so that could be put anywhere. And it is actually possible to put the games in timeline without plot holes, but it just cant be all of them in one timeline. Basically you just seperate them into several small universes, some games will be in multiple universes, but it would take more than three.

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]I'm pretty sure there'd be plotholes no matter how any Legend of Zelda master timeline and of any combination are fit.BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="wiifan001"]I'm pretty sure there'd be plotholes no matter how any Legend of Zelda master timeline and of any combination are fit.meetroid8

Of course it does, its after Zelda 1 but before Tingle's Balloon Fight. Sepewrath

that game that has, you know, those guys.

and tingle balloon fight is obviously set in the wind waker era.

Am I the only one that thinks the people at nintendo who put the timeline together are full of crap? I mean seriously, it doesn't make any sense! I'm not even talking about the whole 3 split thing.

I'm talking about things like how apparently in the 2nd line, with link as a child, the king was warned about ganondorf and he was captured, so the sacred realm was kept sealed as was the triforce. Apparently though, in the time ganondorf was kept prisoner to be executed (in twilight princess), he had somehow gone into and out of the sacred realm with the triforce of power, as did zelda and link.

Not to mention that in skyward sword (spoiler alert) the sealed temple where the master sword is put after demise is defeated, apparently becomes the new temple of time (being in faron woods), and so castle town is built where faron woods was where you have the temple of time from ocarina, but then in the 10 years ganondorf is held prisoner they packed up and moved castle town north and replanted all of the trees where it became faron woods again...

There are other things too, but it really just doesn't make sense. I mean the thing with the 2 split timelines GT made a couple years ago made more sense than this crap...

@ timeline haterz

@ timeline haterz

wiifan001

Am I the only one that thinks the people at nintendo who put the timeline together are full of crap? I mean seriously, it doesn't make any sense! I'm not even talking about the whole 3 split thing.

I'm talking about things like how apparently in the 2nd line, with link as a child, the king was warned about ganondorf and he was captured, so the sacred realm was kept sealed as was the triforce. Apparently though, in the time ganondorf was kept prisoner to be executed (in twilight princess), he had somehow gone into and out of the sacred realm with the triforce of power, as did zelda and link.

Not to mention that in skyward sword (spoiler alert) the sealed temple where the master sword is put after demise is defeated, apparently becomes the new temple of time (being in faron woods), and so castle town is built where faron woods was where you have the temple of time from ocarina, but then in the 10 years ganondorf is held prisoner they packed up and moved castle town north and replanted all of the trees where it became faron woods again...

There are other things too, but it really just doesn't make sense. I mean the thing with the 2 split timelines GT made a couple years ago made more sense than this crap...

Dycras

these things can't really be plot holes because they aren't a complete story. I haven't read all the info in the Hyrle Historia but they could come up with anything they want to make the transition between the games smoother. There could be a whole other game in between OoT and TP.

I agree with you in spirit though. I have no faith whatsoever in Nintendo's ability to manage even the minutia. Aonuma really doesn't know what makes the Zelda series appealing. For instance changing Ganon to Ganondorf was a bad creative decision. It made sense in OoT because that is his creation story but it seems Aonuma wants to abandon the wizard pig Ganon altogether. Ganon changes back to Ganondorf all the time and in TP the pig Ganon is a 4 legged beast. And now in SS we see that Demise's form is tied to the human Ganondorf form so now I suppose it is canon that the Ganondorf form is the purest Ganon form, and not the wizard pig. Not only is Ganondorf less interesting than the LoZ and LttP Ganon, but it seems like the Ganondorf focus is contrary to what those games established.

It's not just that. There are bad creative choices all over. The 'Link Defeated' timeline needed to be explained more if they are going to come out with it, and they really put below-minimum thought into the Oracle games' placement in the timeline. The Oracle games were much cooler when they were happening concurrently in different timelines with them combining at the end.

The Legend of Zelda was much better when they let the fans think of them any way they wanted. It seems now that it is only a matter of time before the series is ruined. The reason? Pure arrogance. The third timeline was created just because it was something that no fan came up with, even though it makes no sense. This whole thing flies in the face of continuity, good taste, and even profitability. In everything there seems to be a need to inject their own ideas into the series, with no thought about what it means to all the other games

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]

@ timeline haterz

Dycras

@ timeline haterz

wiifan001

The series went a long time before an all encompassing timeline was ever seriously considered. Many games were never designed to be connected to the others. Hence why in order to shoe horn them in we have to use ridiculous situations like triple time line splits. No matter how hard you try The timeline is, and will always be, completely non sensical.

The series went a long time before an all encompassing timeline was ever seriously considered. Many games were never designed to be connected to the others. Hence why in order to shoe horn them in we have to use ridiculous situations like triple time line splits. No matter how hard you try The timeline is, and will always be, completely non sensical.

meetroid8

It's exactly as I thought. We get the timeline and instead of looking to understand it, we seek only to contradict and criticize the plotholes.

Why don't you go out and take an understanding of the triple split instead of criticizing?

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]

The series went a long time before an all encompassing timeline was ever seriously considered. Many games were never designed to be connected to the others. Hence why in order to shoe horn them in we have to use ridiculous situations like triple time line splits. No matter how hard you try The timeline is, and will always be, completely non sensical.

wiifan001

It's exactly as I thought. We get the timeline and instead of looking to understand it, we seek only to contradict and criticize the plotholes.

Why don't you go out and take an understanding of the triple split instead of criticizing?

You probably don't even understand it, like most people, if it doesn't even make sense in the first place.

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]

The series went a long time before an all encompassing timeline was ever seriously considered. Many games were never designed to be connected to the others. Hence why in order to shoe horn them in we have to use ridiculous situations like triple time line splits. No matter how hard you try The timeline is, and will always be, completely non sensical.

Dycras

It's exactly as I thought. We get the timeline and instead of looking to understand it, we seek only to contradict and criticize the plotholes.

Why don't you go out and take an understanding of the triple split instead of criticizing?

You probably don't even understand it, like most people, if it doesn't even make sense in the first place.

[QUOTE="Dycras"]

[QUOTE="wiifan001"]

It's exactly as I thought. We get the timeline and instead of looking to understand it, we seek only to contradict and criticize the plotholes.

Why don't you go out and take an understanding of the triple split instead of criticizing?

wiifan001

You probably don't even understand it, like most people, if it doesn't even make sense in the first place.