Zelda timeline revealed in Hyrule Historia?

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#151 wiifan001
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Why bother making the effort to understand it if it is just nonsense? You can't just ignore the plotholes.

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Because Nintendo made it.

The two options were for Nintendo to NEVER release a timeline and let the fans dispute what goes where OR create a master timeline so the argument of which titles go where, despite the plotholes. Nintendo goes with option #2.No longer can be it said there isn't a timeline.

I intend to make the best of this and learn from why and Nintendo put the titles in where they belong. They weren't slapped on there. They were carefully and thoroughly considered into placement with all possibilities and stories in mind from the lands to the races to items to backstory, etc. before this master timeline. Nobody's arguing anymore that there is no timeline, and nobody's arguing there are / aren't plotholes.

As a Legend of Zelda fanboy, I will continue to increase my knowledge of the Zelda universe, and this newly introduced master timeline adds a whole new dimension. I'm not taking the boring way out and point out plotholes. That will be internationally boring (which already is...wow, that didn't take long) and generic soon. That leaves just one thing for Legend of Zelda fanboys: to understand it.

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#152 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="meetroid8"] Why bother making the effort to understand it if it is just nonsense? You can't just ignore the plotholes.

wiifan001

Because Nintendo made it.

The two options were for Nintendo to NEVER release a timeline and let the fans dispute what goes where OR create a master timeline so the argument of which titles go where, despite the plotholes. Nintendo goes with option #2.No longer can be it said there isn't a timeline.

I intend to make the best of this and learn from why and Nintendo put the titles in where they belong. They weren't slapped on there. They were carefully and thoroughly considered into placement with all possibilities and stories in mind from the lands to the races to items to backstory, etc. before this master timeline. Nobody's arguing anymore that there is no timeline, and nobody's arguing there are / aren't plotholes.

As a Legend of Zelda fanboy, I will continue to increase my knowledge of the Zelda universe, and this newly introduced master timeline adds a whole new dimension. I'm not taking the boring way out and point out plotholes. That will be internationally boring (which already is...wow, that didn't take long) and generic soon. That leaves just one thing for Legend of Zelda fanboys: to understand it.

there is a third option: create a timeline only with the games that make sense to have a timeline. no matter how hard you try, you just can't create a timeline for, say, kirby, because kirby games aren't made with a timeline in mind. same can be said for all early zelda games.
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#153 wiifan001
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We went from option 1 to option 2. The rest (option 3) is history.
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#154 BrunoBRS
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fine by me, we all know that third branch is just so aonuma can write off all the games from before he joined the zelda team.
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#155 chocolate1325
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So there's 3 now maybe they will be 4 soon that we don't know about. In my opinion there's only 2 seperate timelines and I think Nintendo are just trying to squeeze game so they connect.

I mean after Ocarina Link is sent back by Zelda to live the 7 years he missed and they both warn the king about Ganondorf intentions therefore during the events of Majoras Mask which is a follow up to the Young Link character Ganondorf must be getting excuted or something by the Sages but it all goes wrong and then he passes the power onto Zant who spreads Hyrule in Twilight. A new Link then kills Ganondorf by stabbing him right through the chest. So technically he can't come back as Ganondorf in that timeline.

In the other in Wind Waker where there's no Link Ganon breaks the seal and spreads the land in darkness and a new Link has to uncover the Triforce of Courage and defeat Ganondorf therefore turning him to stone. So Ganondorf can't comeback in that timeline either and Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks they are sequels to Wind Waker.

Where the others go is a mystery but I can't see how a third timeline happens because who ends up killing Link anyway because it can't be Ganon because he is sealed isn't he,

I just think Nintendo just want to please its fans but there is always gonna be questions.

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#156 Minishdriveby
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] there is a third option: create a timeline only with the games that make sense to have a timeline. no matter how hard you try, you just can't create a timeline for, say, kirby, because kirby games aren't made with a timeline in mind. same can be said for all early zelda games.

That's what Nintendo did. They threw everything Pre-OoT (1998, exception being Oracles) into a seperate timeline, so they don't have to adress them at all.
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#157 Sepewrath
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I agree with Bruno, Aonuma should have simply split the games up into a bunch of micro timelines that worked and not try and force everything into one timeline. There really would be no point in Aonuma attempting to set the older games apart as, whether there is a timeline or not, their not obligated to revisit, nod to or any way bring up any game. I don't think he was so much trying to separate anything, he was just trying to get everything in and the older games, since they had the lightest plot are easy to just stick together. It would be difficult to stick a game like the original Zelda which had pretty much no plot inbetween plot heavy games. People over the years have relied on things in the world, enemies and tiny details to make that work.
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#158 WR_Platinum
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Lets get one thing extremly clear, no one knows for sure what makes sense and what doesn't, you did not create the series, Nintendo did, if this is how they truly see that this is the timepline, then what more is there to really say? Think about it.

The Zelda timeline published by Nintendo is now the official timeline for the series, regardles of the three splits, it is what it is, wether you like it or not (which makes me laugh how butt hurt many of you are about it in the first place, knowing how the series is, that is... if you been a fan of the series for the past 25 years).

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#159 chocolate1325
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How could Link die in a game where Ganondorf got banished anyway plus if he didn't want to bother in Ocarina of Time to kill him wouldn't the Sages have to be freed first and Ganondorf practically turned it into a world of darkness.

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#160 shinra35800
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Sigh, one of these days, nintendo is going to die (company). It is impossible for nintendo to have had this timeline all along. They don't have new games listed. And the timeline looked totally different before in past official nintendo artbooks. This is str8 out of last minute desperation :P.

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Demon Lord Malledus is revived but it doesn't state when he came into existance in the first place in the timeline?

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TwinRova dies in OoT but she's in OoX and that comes after OoT? This timeline never states when she is ressurrected...

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ALttP ending states that the master sword sleeps forever and yet OoX is right after ALttP and has a usable master sword?

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OoT time in-game has 1 dang ending, timeline makes 3 splits that are not even in OoT?

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Demise is not shown anywhere else in the timeline even though he is not dead (sealed in sword - just like vaati and ganon were at some point...)

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Minish Cap states that MC Din is a descendant of the Din from Labrynna and that MC Farore is from Holodrum but this timeline shows MC before OoX?

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The hero's sword is given to Link from a Zora in OoT and he says a hero of the sea gave it to his ancestors but WW is nowhere near OoX in this timeline?

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WW Ganon is revived but there is no game saying so?

What the heck is this CRAP Nintendo!?

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#161 shinra35800
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The hero's sword is given to Link from a Zora in OoX and he says a hero of the sea gave it to his ancestors but WW is nowhere near OoX in this timeline? *FIXED*
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Lets get one thing extremly clear, no one knows for sure what makes sense and what doesn't, you did not create the series, Nintendo did, if this is how they truly see that this is the timepline, then what more is there to really say? Think about it.

The Zelda timeline published by Nintendo is now the official timeline for the series, regardles of the three splits, it is what it is, wether you like it or not (which makes me laugh how butt hurt many of you are about it in the first place, knowing how the series is, that is... if you been a fan of the series for the past 25 years).

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not being the one that made a movie doesn't keep the audience from calling the story nonsense and pointing out plotholes if those things are there.
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#163 Minishdriveby
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Sigh, one of these days, nintendo is going to die (company). It is impossible for nintendo to have had this timeline all along. They don't have new games listed. And the timeline looked totally different before in past official nintendo artbooks. This is str8 out of last minute desperation :P.

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Demon Lord Malledus is revived but it doesn't state when he came into existance in the first place in the timeline?

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TwinRova dies in OoT but she's in OoX and that comes after OoT? This timeline never states when she is ressurrected...

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ALttP ending states that the master sword sleeps forever and yet OoX is right after ALttP and has a usable master sword?

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OoT time in-game has 1 dang ending, timeline makes 3 splits that are not even in OoT?

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Demise is not shown anywhere else in the timeline even though he is not dead (sealed in sword - just like vaati and ganon were at some point...)

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Minish Cap states that MC Din is a descendant of the Din from Labrynna and that MC Farore is from Holodrum but this timeline shows MC before OoX?

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The hero's sword is given to Link from a Zora in OoT and he says a hero of the sea gave it to his ancestors but WW is nowhere near OoX in this timeline?

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WW Ganon is revived but there is no game saying so?

What the heck is this CRAP Nintendo!?

shinra35800

Twinrova only died in the adult timeline.

Ganon broke out of the sacred realm; he wasn't dead/revived.

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#164 BrunoBRS
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^ but wind waker follows the "random dude in green shows up, kills ganon, disappears forever" timeline, not the child one (where he is sealed rather than killed).
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#165 Minishdriveby
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^ but wind waker follows the "random dude in green shows up, kills ganon, disappears forever" timeline, not the child one (where he is sealed rather than killed).BrunoBRS

In OoT he is sealed in the adult time line by the sages at the end; Ganon doesn't die in either timeline during the events of OoT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge8zd1ZR-hc

^Ending to OoT

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#166 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]^ but wind waker follows the "random dude in green shows up, kills ganon, disappears forever" timeline, not the child one (where he is sealed rather than killed).Minishdriveby

In OoT he is sealed in the adult time line by the sages at the end; Ganon doesn't die in either timeline during the events of OoT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge8zd1ZR-hc

^Ending to OoT

could swear he died, but whatever :P
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#167 Sepewrath
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[QUOTE="WR_Platinum"]

Lets get one thing extremly clear, no one knows for sure what makes sense and what doesn't, you did not create the series, Nintendo did, if this is how they truly see that this is the timepline, then what more is there to really say? Think about it.

The Zelda timeline published by Nintendo is now the official timeline for the series, regardles of the three splits, it is what it is, wether you like it or not (which makes me laugh how butt hurt many of you are about it in the first place, knowing how the series is, that is... if you been a fan of the series for the past 25 years).

BrunoBRS

not being the one that made a movie doesn't keep the audience from calling the story nonsense and pointing out plotholes if those things are there.


Exactly, that's like the most nonsensical thing I've ever heard and I can say its nonsensical even though I didn't write the post :P

When it comes to Ganon dying, we don't know what happened when Link went back in time. The game simply ends with him meeting Zelda, we assume he went on to tell the king about Ganon and then Twilight Princess(which could have only been a few years after OoT if they're to be connected) is suppose to happen. But prior to that, they never actually said whether he lived or died, in fact, the general idea for many timeline theories is Ganon won the eventual war that occurred when Link and Zelda ratted him out. The reality is though, without Link opening the Sacred Realm, there really was no reason to go after Ganon in the child timeline, because he was no real threat without the Triforce.

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#168 WR_Platinum
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

not being the one that made a movie doesn't keep the audience from calling the story nonsense and pointing out plotholes if those things are there.Sepewrath


Exactly, that's like the most nonsensical thing I've ever heard and I can say its nonsensical even though I didn't write the post :P

When it comes to Ganon dying, we don't know what happened when Link went back in time. The game simply ends with him meeting Zelda, we assume he went on to tell the king about Ganon and then Twilight Princess(which could have only been a few years after OoT if they're to be connected) is suppose to happen. But prior to that, they never actually said whether he lived or died, in fact, the general idea for many timeline theories is Ganon won the eventual war that occurred when Link and Zelda ratted him out. The reality is though, without Link opening the Sacred Realm, there really was no reason to go after Ganon in the child timeline, because he was no real threat without the Triforce.

Movie? This is a game... Even if I didn't create the series, pointing these "plotholes" is trivial since if you have been following the series for a long time, you would know that the majority of these games don't fully connect as direct sequels, they are legends told, they are hundreds of years apart, things can change. Why you think there so many possibilites for every new game to have somthing brand new? Nintendo can make a new Zelda in a totally brand new setting with a new Ganon encarnation of Demise, with a new name, and tell a different story, but it will always be connected thru the same LEGEND.

Theories are just what they are, pure speculation, they don't stand on solid ground to the facts, and the zelda time line theories are no less different since now Nintendo squashed those theories by inputing their timeline publicly, don't like it? too bad.

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#169 blacktorn
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Don't really care in the timeline as i think it is just a mash-up to try and please fans and was never intended to follow a 'timeline' i just enjoy each zelda game for it's own merits without worry about what 'time' it is set.