11 States want Obama to prove his birth location .

so if a guy named Jose Chavez becomes President and was born in US, all those people will quickly think he was not born in the US and must prove he was born here.

uh...yeah ok you guys are smart.

cant believe people are still at this. plus like an other user said he does have less then 2 years left anyways, so who cares.

People couldn't fathom that a black man became President, so they concluded that he must not be an American citizen. Seriously. That's what it boils down to. Do you think a single one of these birther idiots would be crying foul if Obama was white?Theokhoth

None of them were questioning John McCain's cirtizenship, despite the fact that McCain actually wasn't born in the United States.

[QUOTE="RandoIph"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

None of them were questioning John McCain's cirtizenship, despite the fact that McCain actually wasn't born in the United States.

YellowOneKinobi

The Senate passed a resolution, but it didn't amount to anything real, as neither chamber of Congress actually has such authority. Nonetheless McCain is a natural born US citizen, and a US District Court judge has confirmed this. Well, to be specific he ruled that it was "highly probable" that McCain's a citizen.

Conservatives can be very stupid, not new.

I don't get why people keep pushing this, save for the fact that he won't release it and it's something to go after him on. Thing is, the guy's a total f***** dumbass who has given those inclined PLENTY to go after him on aside from the question of whether he's a secret muslim plant or a commie infiltrator. The guy's an arrogant liberal dumbass -- go after him on THAT. Who cares about where his ass was born (could be Mars for all I care)?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

This is just stupid. How did this whole birther thing start, anyways?

YellowOneKinobi

I don't get why people keep pushing this, save for the fact that he won't release it and it's something to go after him on.Shame-usBlackley

Goddammit......

He has released his birth certificate. His birth in the United States is unquestionable.

Also, aren't we in the middle of a huge recession?

Why are republicans always so insistant on working on any issue that has nothing to do with the economy?

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

I don't get why people keep pushing this, save for the fact that he won't release it and it's something to go after him on.worlock77

Goddammit......

He has released his birth certificate. His birth in the United States is unquestionable.

lawlz... now you must know how Obama must feel...

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] How does that make sense if he won a majority of the white vote?YellowOneKinobi

He didn't say all white people... just a group of them...

Exactly.

Liberals tend to overlook the fact that the man had 70 percent+ approval ratings when he took office and won many previously red states. But yeah, the entire reason that people DON'T like the guy is because he's black and that's what it boils down to. :roll:

Conservatives can be very stupid, not new.

With-Hatred

Dude, everyone can be stupid, you and me included. Btw all conservatives aren't birthers. Jeez you guys need to quite assuming things.

Also, aren't we in the middle of a huge recession?

Why are republicans always so insistant on working on any issue that has nothing to do with the economy?

With-Hatred

Birthers doesn't = Republican

Immigration Reform, Cap and Trade, S.T.A.R Program, Ending Missile Defense doesn't = working on the economoy (Before anyone makes a judgement call on me........... these days there is less difference between Republicans and Democrats that one would think

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

I don't get why people keep pushing this, save for the fact that he won't release it and it's something to go after him on.worlock77

Goddammit......

He has released his birth certificate. His birth in the United States is unquestionable.

He released a Xerox of it, but I think that was AFTER he balked about it. Like I said, it's an idiotic thing to even contemplate, so I haven't read up on it much.

Regardless, people in this thread equivocating birthers with republicans is the same as someone equating truthers with democrats. It's political marginalization, pure and simple.

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

Conservatives can be very stupid, not new.

BATTOSAI76

Dude, everyone can be stupid, you and me included. Btw all conservatives aren't birthers. Jeez you guys need to quite assuming things.

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"][QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] I'm not sure the term "racist" really applies....... but you did say "in my eye" and you definitely have a right to that opinion.YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

Conservatives can be very stupid, not new.

BATTOSAI76

liberals can be very, very stupid, nothing new....

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

I don't get why people keep pushing this, save for the fact that he won't release it and it's something to go after him on.heysharpshooter

Goddammit......

He has released his birth certificate. His birth in the United States is unquestionable.

lawlz... now you must know how Obama must feel...

I swear, I think you could take these folks, put them in Doc Brown's DeLorean, go back to August 1961 to Honolulu to witness his birth there in person and it still wouldn't be proof enough for them.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] I think it does apply, this undertone has been going on since the election. He's some kind of "foreign" outsider who isn't a citizen even with the OVERWHELMING evidence that he is. Yet these nut jobs didn't say anything when bush, Clinton, Regan were running for office but all of a sudden some guy named Obama's citizenship is at question ?Sp4rtan_3

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Goddammit......

He has released his birth certificate. His birth in the United States is unquestionable.

worlock77

lawlz... now you must know how Obama must feel...

I swear, I think you could take these folks, put them in Doc Brown's DeLorean, go back to August 1961 to Honolulu to witness his birth there in person and it still wouldn't be proof enough for them.

It wouldn't... Obama would have to be white to put this to rest... not sure he can do much about that...

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

Conservatives can be very stupid, not new.

With-Hatred

Dude, everyone can be stupid, you and me included. Btw all conservatives aren't birthers. Jeez you guys need to quite assuming things.

True most of the birthers are GOP but not all GOP are birthers, you heard me wrong. And there you go assuming again, how can you be so sure that I'm a republican?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

lawlz... now you must know how Obama must feel...

heysharpshooter

I swear, I think you could take these folks, put them in Doc Brown's DeLorean, go back to August 1961 to Honolulu to witness his birth there in person and it still wouldn't be proof enough for them.

It wouldn't... Obama would have to be white to put this to rest... not sure he can do much about that...

Technically, he is. Well, technically, he's mulatto, I believe. Now who's judging people based on skin color? What exactly does a mulatto look like, genius?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

I don't get why people keep pushing this, save for the fact that he won't release it and it's something to go after him on.Shame-usBlackley

Goddammit......

He has released his birth certificate. His birth in the United States is unquestionable.

He released a Xerox of it, but I think that was AFTER he balked about it. Like I said, it's an idiotic thing to even contemplate, so I haven't read up on it much.

Regardless, people in this thread equivocating birthers with republicans is the same as someone equating truthers with democrats. It's political marginalization, pure and simple.

To be fair when you have Republican politicans saying this crap it tends to reflect on the Republican party.

BTW: what Democrats have disputed the events of 9/11? I'd like to know so I know who not to vote for.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I swear, I think you could take these folks, put them in Doc Brown's DeLorean, go back to August 1961 to Honolulu to witness his birth there in person and it still wouldn't be proof enough for them.

Shame-usBlackley

It wouldn't... Obama would have to be white to put this to rest... not sure he can do much about that...

Technically, he is. Well, technically, he's mulatto, I believe. Now who's judging people based on skin color? What exactly does a mulatto look like, genius?

Your the only one who used the word... mulatto(wtf?)...

Obama is half black, however, he looks more black than white, peroid... and it doesn't matter anyway, he has African blood... for some white people, thats too much black...

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Goddammit......

He has released his birth certificate. His birth in the United States is unquestionable.

worlock77

He released a Xerox of it, but I think that was AFTER he balked about it. Like I said, it's an idiotic thing to even contemplate, so I haven't read up on it much.

Regardless, people in this thread equivocating birthers with republicans is the same as someone equating truthers with democrats. It's political marginalization, pure and simple.

To be fair when you have Republican politicans saying this crap it tends to reflect on the Republican party.

BTW: what Democrats have disputed the events of 9/11? I'd like to know so I know who not to vote for.

A surprising number.

Hell, Obama had one in his own cabinet -- Van Jones.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

He released a Xerox of it, but I think that was AFTER he balked about it. Like I said, it's an idiotic thing to even contemplate, so I haven't read up on it much.

Regardless, people in this thread equivocating birthers with republicans is the same as someone equating truthers with democrats. It's political marginalization, pure and simple.

Shame-usBlackley

To be fair when you have Republican politicans saying this crap it tends to reflect on the Republican party.

BTW: what Democrats have disputed the events of 9/11? I'd like to know so I know who not to vote for.

A surprising number.

Hell, Obama had one in his own cabinet -- Van Jones.

Can you name someone a little more impressive than Van Jones? Jones isn't even a politician.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

It wouldn't... Obama would have to be white to put this to rest... not sure he can do much about that...

heysharpshooter

Technically, he is. Well, technically, he's mulatto, I believe. Now who's judging people based on skin color? What exactly does a mulatto look like, genius?

Your the only one who used the word... mulatto(wtf?)...

Obama is half black, however, he looks more black than white, peroid... and it doesn't matter anyway, he has African blood... for some white people, thats too much black...

You are the one infusing race in the discussion. In fact, the man is always referred to as black when in fact that is not correct, and is based purely on appearance, which is JUST as racist as judging the man unfavorably based on his skin color. For example, a lot of Dominicans LOOK African, too, but how do you think they'd feel about being called "black" just because they are dark-skinned when the Dominican people have many more genetic influences besides African?

I'm pointing out the slippery slope that you go down when you start making statements about race based on passive observations of skin color.

Obama is half black, however, he looks more black than white, peroid... and it doesn't matter anyway, he has African blood... for some white people, thats too much black...

heysharpshooter

Yup -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_drop_rule

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

To be fair when you have Republican politicans saying this crap it tends to reflect on the Republican party.

BTW: what Democrats have disputed the events of 9/11? I'd like to know so I know who not to vote for.

worlock77

A surprising number.

Hell, Obama had one in his own cabinet -- Van Jones.

Can you name someone a little more impressive than Van Jones? Jones isn't even a politician.

When did I say the truther movement involved political candidates? Or the birthers, for that matter?

We are talking about the movements in general, aren't we? Although I really wouldn't say that Van Jones is all that much of a small fry politically -- the democratic party still hasn't completely severed ties with him in spite of him being absolutely proven to be a patented loon.

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

Technically, he is. Well, technically, he's mulatto, I believe. Now who's judging people based on skin color? What exactly does a mulatto look like, genius?

Shame-usBlackley

Your the only one who used the word... mulatto(wtf?)...

Obama is half black, however, he looks more black than white, peroid... and it doesn't matter anyway, he has African blood... for some white people, thats too much black...

You are the one infusing race in the discussion. In fact, the man is always referred to as black when in fact that is not correct, and is based purely on appearance, which is JUST as racist as judging the man unfavorably based on his skin color. For example, a lot of Dominicans LOOK African, too, but how do you think they'd feel about being called "black" just because they are dark-skinned when the Dominican people have many more genetic influences besides African?

I'm pointing out the slippery slope that you go down when you start making statements about race based on passive observations of skin color.

A lot of Dominicans are black. Whether or not you call them African is another matter, but they are black. I have more genetic influences besides Nordic but I'm white. I might have Hispanic and and Native American in my family history, but I am white. Obama is black. Yes, he has a white mother, but if you saw him without know who he is or what his background is I'm sure pretty much everyone would call him black.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

A surprising number.

Hell, Obama had one in his own cabinet -- Van Jones.

Shame-usBlackley

Can you name someone a little more impressive than Van Jones? Jones isn't even a politician.

When did I say the truther movement involved political candidates? Or the birthers, for that matter?

We are talking about the movements in general, aren't we? Although I really wouldn't say that Van Jones is all that much of a small fry politically -- the democratic party still hasn't completely severed ties with him in spite of him being absolutely proven to be a patented loon.

I'm asking about Democratic politicians. I mentioned that Republican politicians being Birthers reflects on the Republican party. Then I asked what Democrats are Truthers. I stated that I asked so that I know who not to vote for, I figured the politician bit was fairly obvious there.

I believe this would be Obama reaction when they continue to bring it up....

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Your the only one who used the word... mulatto(wtf?)...

Obama is half black, however, he looks more black than white, peroid... and it doesn't matter anyway, he has African blood... for some white people, thats too much black...

worlock77

You are the one infusing race in the discussion. In fact, the man is always referred to as black when in fact that is not correct, and is based purely on appearance, which is JUST as racist as judging the man unfavorably based on his skin color. For example, a lot of Dominicans LOOK African, too, but how do you think they'd feel about being called "black" just because they are dark-skinned when the Dominican people have many more genetic influences besides African?

I'm pointing out the slippery slope that you go down when you start making statements about race based on passive observations of skin color.

A lot of Dominicans are black. Whether or not you call them African is another matter, but they are black. I have more genetic influences besides Nordic but I'm white. I might have Hispanic and and Native American in my family history, but I am white. Obama is black. Yes, he has a white mother, but if you saw him without know who he is or what his background is I'm sure pretty much everyone would call him black.

They could call him black, but they'd be wrong. If we were judging based solely on "color" what would hispanics be? Or Asian? Isn't judging people based on skin color what led to racist characterizations about those races? So why is it okay for you (or anyone) to do it to a Mulatto -- who is neither white or black, but both? Or to a Dominican?

I don't think you understand that racism works both ways.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Can you name someone a little more impressive than Van Jones? Jones isn't even a politician.

worlock77

When did I say the truther movement involved political candidates? Or the birthers, for that matter?

We are talking about the movements in general, aren't we? Although I really wouldn't say that Van Jones is all that much of a small fry politically -- the democratic party still hasn't completely severed ties with him in spite of him being absolutely proven to be a patented loon.

I'm asking about Democratic politicians. I mentioned that Republican politicians being Birthers reflects on the Republican party. Then I asked what Democrats are Truthers. I stated that I asked so that I know who not to vote for, I figured the politician bit was fairly obvious there.

The base and the party are one and the same, I'd say, since we have a representative government and all that. :)

And at the time, 35 percent of democrats were truthers. Sad, no?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

When did I say the truther movement involved political candidates? Or the birthers, for that matter?

We are talking about the movements in general, aren't we? Although I really wouldn't say that Van Jones is all that much of a small fry politically -- the democratic party still hasn't completely severed ties with him in spite of him being absolutely proven to be a patented loon.

Shame-usBlackley

I'm asking about Democratic politicians. I mentioned that Republican politicians being Birthers reflects on the Republican party. Then I asked what Democrats are Truthers. I stated that I asked so that I know who not to vote for, I figured the politician bit was fairly obvious there.

The base and the party are one and the same, I'd say, since we have a representative government and all that. :)

And at the time, 35 percent of democrats were truthers. Sad, no?

This is irrelevant.

He asked about politicians. Period.

Who cares what one person, group or a state wants?

If our government wants someone to be in the white house to be the nations spoke person then they will do it.

Even IF a U.S president (pretty much nation in this world) got elected without being born in u.s or any rule that disqualify someone to run. Do you really think that nation would release such infomation? That news to the world would turn ugly for that nation.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

You are the one infusing race in the discussion. In fact, the man is always referred to as black when in fact that is not correct, and is based purely on appearance, which is JUST as racist as judging the man unfavorably based on his skin color. For example, a lot of Dominicans LOOK African, too, but how do you think they'd feel about being called "black" just because they are dark-skinned when the Dominican people have many more genetic influences besides African?

I'm pointing out the slippery slope that you go down when you start making statements about race based on passive observations of skin color.

Shame-usBlackley

A lot of Dominicans are black. Whether or not you call them African is another matter, but they are black. I have more genetic influences besides Nordic but I'm white. I might have Hispanic and and Native American in my family history, but I am white. Obama is black. Yes, he has a white mother, but if you saw him without know who he is or what his background is I'm sure pretty much everyone would call him black.

They could call him black, but they'd be wrong. If we were judging based solely on "color" what would hispanics be? Or Asian? Isn't judging people based on skin color what led to racist characterizations about those races? So why is it okay for you (or anyone) to do it to a Mulatto -- who is neither white or black, but both? Or to a Dominican?

I don't think you understand that racism works both ways.

Obama himself identifies as black so whatever point you're attempting to make goes out the window.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

When did I say the truther movement involved political candidates? Or the birthers, for that matter?

We are talking about the movements in general, aren't we? Although I really wouldn't say that Van Jones is all that much of a small fry politically -- the democratic party still hasn't completely severed ties with him in spite of him being absolutely proven to be a patented loon.

Shame-usBlackley

I'm asking about Democratic politicians. I mentioned that Republican politicians being Birthers reflects on the Republican party. Then I asked what Democrats are Truthers. I stated that I asked so that I know who not to vote for, I figured the politician bit was fairly obvious there.

The base and the party are one and the same, I'd say, since we have a representative government and all that. :)

And at the time, 35 percent of democrats were truthers. Sad, no?

So you can't actually cite any examples. Ok then.

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

Dude, everyone can be stupid, you and me included. Btw all conservatives aren't birthers. Jeez you guys need to quite assuming things.

BATTOSAI76

True most of the birthers are GOP but not all GOP are birthers, you heard me wrong. And there you go assuming again, how can you be so sure that I'm a republican?

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]"It is unfortunate that some people continue to fight the Civil War," - Best quote from the article. Theses birther people are nothing but ignorant, racist in my eye.Sp4rtan_3

It is definitely a racial/"foreigness" issue. The people who act like it has nothing to do with race are in denial.

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]It's not like all but one of the bills supporters were republican.....oh wait....wasting time like usual, republicans.

With-Hatred

True most of the birthers are GOP but not all GOP are birthers, you heard me wrong. And there you go assuming again, how can you be so sure that I'm a republican?

Ummm, yeah you were "wasting time like usual, republicans." that's what you said. Also do you have numbers to support your claim?

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

A lot of Dominicans are black. Whether or not you call them African is another matter, but they are black. I have more genetic influences besides Nordic but I'm white. I might have Hispanic and and Native American in my family history, but I am white. Obama is black. Yes, he has a white mother, but if you saw him without know who he is or what his background is I'm sure pretty much everyone would call him black.

worlock77

They could call him black, but they'd be wrong. If we were judging based solely on "color" what would hispanics be? Or Asian? Isn't judging people based on skin color what led to racist characterizations about those races? So why is it okay for you (or anyone) to do it to a Mulatto -- who is neither white or black, but both? Or to a Dominican?

I don't think you understand that racism works both ways.

Obama himself identifies as black so whatever point you're attempting to make goes out the window.

I'd say if anyone has the right to mischaracterize their own race, it'd be the person whose race was in question. That doesn't make him any less wrong, and that doesn't excuse you (or anyone else) mischaracterizing it. I know African-Americans who call each other the N word, too, by your flimsy standards the word would be fair game then, I'm assuming?

This is irrelevant.

He asked about politicians. Period.

GreySeal9

It's irrelevant that a third of the democratic voting base is stark f****** crazy?

Pass the drugs.

The google search tag isn't authentic.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

This is irrelevant.

He asked about politicians. Period.

Shame-usBlackley

It's irrelevant that a third of the democratic voting base is stark f****** crazy?

Pass the drugs.

It's irrelevant because he specifically asked for politicians.

Let's please cut the BS.

The 10 other states with pending bills include: Arizona, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, Connecticut, Indiana, Nebraska, Tennessee and Maine.Article

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

They could call him black, but they'd be wrong. If we were judging based solely on "color" what would hispanics be? Or Asian? Isn't judging people based on skin color what led to racist characterizations about those races? So why is it okay for you (or anyone) to do it to a Mulatto -- who is neither white or black, but both? Or to a Dominican?

I don't think you understand that racism works both ways.

Shame-usBlackley

Obama himself identifies as black so whatever point you're attempting to make goes out the window.

I'd say if anyone has the right to mischaracterize their own race, it'd be the person whose race was in question. That doesn't make him any less wrong, and that doesn't excuse you (or anyone else) mischaracterizing it. I know African-Americans who call each other the N word, too, by your flimsy standards the word would be fair game then, I'm assuming?

If you wish to completely misconstrue what I've said then I see no reason to continue this discussion.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

This is irrelevant.

He asked about politicians. Period.

Shame-usBlackley

It's irrelevant that a third of the democratic voting base is stark f****** crazy?

Pass the drugs.

Once again, I'm asking you what Democratic politicians are Truthers. Quit avoiding the question.

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

This is irrelevant.

He asked about politicians. Period.

It's irrelevant that a third of the democratic voting base is stark f****** crazy?

Pass the drugs.

Once again, I'm asking you what Democratic politicians are Truthers. Quit avoiding the question.

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

True most of the birthers are GOP but not all GOP are birthers, you heard me wrong. And there you go assuming again, how can you be so sure that I'm a republican?

BATTOSAI76

Ummm, yeah you were "wasting time like usual, republicans." that's what you said. Also do you have numbers to support your claim?

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

I'm asking about Democratic politicians. I mentioned that Republican politicians being Birthers reflects on the Republican party. Then I asked what Democrats are Truthers. I stated that I asked so that I know who not to vote for, I figured the politician bit was fairly obvious there.

worlock77

The base and the party are one and the same, I'd say, since we have a representative government and all that. :)

And at the time, 35 percent of democrats were truthers. Sad, no?

So you can't actually cite any examples. Ok then.

Just off the top of my head...

Cynthia McKinney and Mike Gravel. There are more if you'd like a list, but what's the point? Are you arguing that your politicians are less insane than their republican equivalents?