11 States want Obama to prove his birth location .

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[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]I never said u were......a significant enought # are, and it's kind of pathetic.

With-Hatred

Ummm, yeah you were "wasting time like usual, republicans." that's what you said. Also do you have numbers to support your claim?

Sure sounde like it to me. Anyway events aren't any good, your making a statement based on x number of people without numbers to back it up. Btw I am a republican, and I'm not a birther, I'm not going to deny the claims made by the birthers, however I will not fully support them either.

Agree with his policy's or not , i think we can allagree this birther movement is just ridiculous

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41858252/ns/politics-more_politics/

raiden509

its not ridiculous, there is no clear evidence that obama was born in hawai, his mum was around in indoneia a lot at that time.

I'm all for this. If they want to know more from us i want to have access to more of their information.

KungfuKitten

[QUOTE="raiden509"]

Agree with his policy's or not , i think we can allagree this birther movement is just ridiculous

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41858252/ns/politics-more_politics/

HFkami

its not ridiculous, there is no clear evidence that obama was born in hawai, his mum was around in indoneia a lot at that time.

He has a birth certificate from Hawaii saying he was born there, which the Republican governor of Hawaii has said is authentic, and there are entries in two newspapers at the time of his birth announcing his birth in Hawaii.

There is clear evidence for anyone who is actually willing to believe that Obama was born in Hawaii.

[QUOTE="raiden509"]

Agree with his policy's or not , i think we can allagree this birther movement is just ridiculous

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41858252/ns/politics-more_politics/

HFkami

its not ridiculous, there is no clear evidence that obama was born in hawai, his mum was around in indoneia a lot at that time.

I guess a digital copy, which was verified by the State of Hawaii, the US federal gov't, federal courts, etc, isnt enough for right wing birthers

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Obama himself identifies as black so whatever point you're attempting to make goes out the window.

worlock77

I'd say if anyone has the right to mischaracterize their own race, it'd be the person whose race was in question. That doesn't make him any less wrong, and that doesn't excuse you (or anyone else) mischaracterizing it. I know African-Americans who call each other the N word, too, by your flimsy standards the word would be fair game then, I'm assuming?

If you wish to completely misconstrue what I've said then I see no reason to continue this discussion.

I didn't misconstrue anything.

You are trying to win points in an argument by using Obama's personal decision regarding which race he classifies himself by as a means of rationalizing anyone else doing it. Whether the subject actually perceives a racist action to be racist or not IS irrelevant. It certainly doesn't make it any less racist.

[QUOTE="HFkami"]

[QUOTE="raiden509"]

Agree with his policy's or not , i think we can allagree this birther movement is just ridiculous

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41858252/ns/politics-more_politics/

its not ridiculous, there is no clear evidence that obama was born in hawai, his mum was around in indoneia a lot at that time.

I guess a digital copy, which was verified by the State of Hawaii, the US federal gov't, federal courts, etc, isnt enough for right wing birthers

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="HFkami"]

its not ridiculous, there is no clear evidence that obama was born in hawai, his mum was around in indoneia a lot at that time.

YellowOneKinobi

I guess a digital copy, which was verified by the State of Hawaii, the US federal gov't, federal courts, etc, isnt enough for right wing birthers

When they refused to hear cases made by right wing birthers to try to get Hawaii to give up the birth certificate

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

I guess a digital copy, which was verified by the State of Hawaii, the US federal gov't, federal courts, etc, isnt enough for right wing birthers

When they refused to hear cases made by right wing birthers to try to get Hawaii to give up the birth certificate

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

Ummm, yeah you were "wasting time like usual, republicans." that's what you said. Also do you have numbers to support your claim?

BATTOSAI76

Sure sounde like it to me. Anyway events aren't any good, your making a statement based on x number of people without numbers to back it up. Btw I am a republican, and I'm not a birther, I'm not going to deny the claims made by the birthers, however I will not fully support them either.

A large group, not having the intelligence todo tasks that I could have done ina few moments is pathetic, moronicand I think it really reflects just how low the republican party has sunk in the last couple decades.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

This is just stupid. How did this whole birther thing start, anyways?

worlock77

None of them were questioning John McCain's cirtizenship, despite the fact that McCain actually wasn't born in the United States.

[QUOTE="HFkami"]

[QUOTE="raiden509"]

Agree with his policy's or not , i think we can allagree this birther movement is just ridiculous

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41858252/ns/politics-more_politics/

GabuEx

its not ridiculous, there is no clear evidence that obama was born in hawai, his mum was around in indoneia a lot at that time.

He has a birth certificate from Hawaii saying he was born there, which the Republican governor of Hawaii has said is authentic, and there are entries in two newspapers at the time of his birth announcing his birth in Hawaii.

There is clear evidence for anyone who is actually willing to believe that Obama was born in Hawaii.

in soviet usa certificate is willing to believe you

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="HFkami"]

its not ridiculous, there is no clear evidence that obama was born in hawai, his mum was around in indoneia a lot at that time.

HFkami

He has a birth certificate from Hawaii saying he was born there, which the Republican governor of Hawaii has said is authentic, and there are entries in two newspapers at the time of his birth announcing his birth in Hawaii.

There is clear evidence for anyone who is actually willing to believe that Obama was born in Hawaii.

in soviet usa certificate is willing to believe you

All righty then.

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]No, I have a few events I could site, and that sentence doesn't call u a republican.

With-Hatred

Sure sounde like it to me. Anyway events aren't any good, your making a statement based on x number of people without numbers to back it up. Btw I am a republican, and I'm not a birther, I'm not going to deny the claims made by the birthers, however I will not fully support them either.

A large group, not having the intelligence todo tasks that I could have done ina few moments is pathetic, moronicand I think it really reflects just how low the republican party has sunk in the last couple decades.

Trusting something you find on google for proof of the matter of a law? That my friend is pathetic. Also you're throwing around words like "moronic", and terms like "not having intelligence" shows me that you have no respect for the opposition that your trying to accuse, and makes you come off as if you're ranting, not making a point. And your still not proving to me that most conservatives are birthers.

It has to be some kind of bigotry.. These people are the most conservative of the lot.. And to say that Obama is not a citizen is to pretty much say that he isn't their president... And regardless of the amount evidence they have bombarded with in their favor yet still believe opposite.. It pretty much illustrates that they have ulterior motives in not accepting whether it has to do with race, or the belief that he is a Muslim or other such thing.

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="BATTOSAI76"]

Sure sounde like it to me. Anyway events aren't any good, your making a statement based on x number of people without numbers to back it up. Btw I am a republican, and I'm not a birther, I'm not going to deny the claims made by the birthers, however I will not fully support them either.

BATTOSAI76

A large group, not having the intelligence todo tasks that I could have done ina few moments is pathetic, moronicand I think it really reflects just how low the republican party has sunk in the last couple decades.

Trusting something you find on google for proof of the matter of a law? That my friend is pathetic. Also you're throwing around words like "moronic", and terms like "not having intelligence" shows me that you have no respect for the opposition that your trying to accuse, and makes you come off as if you're ranting, not making a point. And your still not proving to me that most conservatives are birthers.

Attacking me doesn't make those republicans any less stupid.

Durr, it took me all of 2 seconds to find it.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

It's just because these old timers don't know how to use computers, yeah that must be it.

My bet's on ignorance with just a hint of racism.

And your still not proving to me that most conservatives are birthers.

BATTOSAI76

This technically isn't conservatives, but a recent poll says that 51% of Republican primary voters do not believe that Obama was born in the US.

It has to be some kind of bigotry.. These people are the most conservative of the lot.. And to say that Obama is not a citizen is to pretty much say that he isn't their president... And regardless of the amount evidence they have bombarded with in their favor yet still believe opposite.. It pretty much illustrates that they have ulterior motives in not accepting whether it has to do with race, or the belief that he is a Muslim or other such thing.

sSubZerOo

All of you guys are so quick to say it's racial or cutural. THEY THINK HE IS BAD AT HIS JOB, their goning to find any way possible to get him out of office, that simple.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

It has to be some kind of bigotry.. These people are the most conservative of the lot.. And to say that Obama is not a citizen is to pretty much say that he isn't their president... And regardless of the amount evidence they have bombarded with in their favor yet still believe opposite.. It pretty much illustrates that they have ulterior motives in not accepting whether it has to do with race, or the belief that he is a Muslim or other such thing.

BATTOSAI76

All of you guys are so quick to say it's racial or cutural. THEY THINK HE IS BAD AT HIS JOB, their goning to find any way possible to get him out of office, that simple.

:| What does him being bad with his job have anything to do with questioning that he isn't even a citizen.. There are plenty people who think he is bad at his job and accept he is a citizen... Every president has people that don't like him.. But your right if memory serves there was Clinton in many people saying he wasn't citizen either.. Oh thats right no one did.. Obama is the first president in decades to ever have such claim... Anyway office? So what your suggesting they are being disgenious to do anything to get him out of office.. So what your saying is they are dirt bags that are openly lieing regardless of the evidence provided just to cause confusion? Man thats a great other way of looking at it.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

It has to be some kind of bigotry.. These people are the most conservative of the lot.. And to say that Obama is not a citizen is to pretty much say that he isn't their president... And regardless of the amount evidence they have bombarded with in their favor yet still believe opposite.. It pretty much illustrates that they have ulterior motives in not accepting whether it has to do with race, or the belief that he is a Muslim or other such thing.

BATTOSAI76

All of you guys are so quick to say it's racial or cutural. THEY THINK HE IS BAD AT HIS JOB, their goning to find any way possible to get him out of office, that simple.

I can only guess, but something either shady or increadibly stupid is going on. Maybe republicans just need to learn to use google as I mentioned before, lol.

Also, why would u defend them? This is blatant stupidity on their part.

"It is unfortunate that some people continue to fight the Civil War," - Best quote from the article. Theses birther people are nothing but ignorant, racist in my eye.Sp4rtan_3

Misinformed? Sure.

But you can't claim someone is a racist because they don't believe Obama was born in the US.

What, are we supposed to call Doc Brown so he can make us a time machine that will let us go back in time and witness the birth of Obama? :? What does it matter? He has less than two years left anyway.JustPlainLucas

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]"It is unfortunate that some people continue to fight the Civil War," - Best quote from the article. Theses birther people are nothing but ignorant, racist in my eye.Konekomaru

Misinformed? Sure.

But you can't claim someone is a racist because they don't believe Obama was born in the US.

[QUOTE="Konekomaru"]

"It is unfortunate that some people continue to fight the Civil War," - Best quote from the article. Theses birther people are nothing but ignorant, racist in my eye.Sp4rtan_3

Misinformed? Sure.

But you can't claim someone is a racist because they don't believe Obama was born in the US.

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]What, are we supposed to call Doc Brown so he can make us a time machine that will let us go back in time and witness the birth of Obama? :? What does it matter? He has less than two years left anyway.00-Riddick-00

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]What, are we supposed to call Doc Brown so he can make us a time machine that will let us go back in time and witness the birth of Obama? :? What does it matter? He has less than two years left anyway.00-Riddick-00

Hypothetically, if Obama could send troops to every US citizens' home, make them look at the birth certificate at gunpoint, those people that doubt it now would probably still doubt it.lamprey263

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]What, are we supposed to call Doc Brown so he can make us a time machine that will let us go back in time and witness the birth of Obama? :? What does it matter? He has less than two years left anyway.PannicAtack

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[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"] His own mother said he was not born in the United StatesYellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]What, are we supposed to call Doc Brown so he can make us a time machine that will let us go back in time and witness the birth of Obama? :? What does it matter? He has less than two years left anyway.PannicAtack

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"] His own mother said he was not born in the United States00-Riddick-00

Ah, yes, the always-ubiquitous "they".

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]Hypothetically, if Obama could send troops to every US citizens' home, make them look at the birth certificate at gunpoint, those people that doubt it now would probably still doubt it.00-Riddick-00

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] I suspect you are referring to his *grandmother*, not his mother, and if that's so, that little incident was a case of slipshod quote-mining/translation.

PannicAtack

Well, people have been injecting racism into this conversation almost from the get-go. So, not really irrelevant.

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="Konekomaru"]

Misinformed? Sure.

But you can't claim someone is a racist because they don't believe Obama was born in the US.

YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Shame-usBlackley"]

I'd say if anyone has the right to mischaracterize their own race, it'd be the person whose race was in question. That doesn't make him any less wrong, and that doesn't excuse you (or anyone else) mischaracterizing it. I know African-Americans who call each other the N word, too, by your flimsy standards the word would be fair game then, I'm assuming?

Shame-usBlackley

If you wish to completely misconstrue what I've said then I see no reason to continue this discussion.

I didn't misconstrue anything.

You are trying to win points in an argument by using Obama's personal decision regarding which race he classifies himself by as a means of rationalizing anyone else doing it. Whether the subject actually perceives a racist action to be racist or not IS irrelevant. It certainly doesn't make it any less racist.

Calling Obama black is not racist.

If you think it is, you have a silly useless definition of racism.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="With-Hatred"]Personally I think it's suspicious that he alone has been targeted. If there weren't alternative reasons, I believe carter and clinton would have been targed as well.

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]Hypothetically, if Obama could send troops to every US citizens' home, make them look at the birth certificate at gunpoint, those people that doubt it now would probably still doubt it.00-Riddick-00

His was put under extra scrutiny, even by a specialized gov't agency, don't u think somebody would have found something?

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] I suspect you are referring to his *grandmother*, not his mother, and if that's so, that little incident was a case of slipshod quote-mining/translation.

GabuEx

Ah, yes, the always-ubiquitous "they".

[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="lamprey263"]Hypothetically, if Obama could send troops to every US citizens' home, make them look at the birth certificate at gunpoint, those people that doubt it now would probably still doubt it.With-Hatred

His was put under extra scrutiny, even by a specialized gov't agency, don't u think somebody would have found something?

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="Konekomaru"]

Misinformed? Sure.

But you can't claim someone is a racist because they don't believe Obama was born in the US.

YellowOneKinobi

That has something to with it, but so does racism/racist overtones and suspicion of "differences". To think otherwise is to deny that racism does in fact still exist.

[QUOTE="With-Hatred"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] Why doesn't anybody want to acknowledge that part of the reason people suspected anything is because he spent most of his youth overseas and his name is not common in the American landscape? Bush, Reagon, Clinton, Carter........all born and RAISED here. That's a huge part of the root cause of the suspision. YellowOneKinobi