2 Christians. 1 Hindu. A discussion that made my jaw drop to the floor.

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[QUOTE="Locke562"] God does it, commands the Israelites to do it. You can see where some people get confused on the point. If god commands people to do something, how can it be immoral?Locke562

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"]omg, i am not judging christians but those two are idiots if they aren't jokingLJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"]omg, i am not judging christians but those two are idiots if they aren't jokingFunky_Llama

[QUOTE="Locke562"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]We are talking about Christianity in this thread. Show me Christians teachings......

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"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you MUST OBEY THEM and do EVERYTHING they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3)"

Oh dear. :roll:

The OT is not Christianity....

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The OT is not Christianity....

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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Why would you judge any group on the basis of two individuals?:|LJS9502_basic

Doesn't Jesus command his followers to obey the Old Testiment?

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Locke562

What Jesus was referring to was the He was prophesied in the OT. Notice He healed on the Sabbath? That was against the Jewish law. Cost Him as well.;)

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The OT is not Christianity....

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Doesn't Jesus command his followers to obey the Old Testiment?

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LJS9502_basic

What Jesus was referring to was the He was prophesied in the OT. Notice He healed on the Sabbath? That was against the Jewish law. Cost Him as well.;)

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Doesn't Jesus command his followers to obey the Old Testiment?

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Locke562

What Jesus was referring to was the He was prophesied in the OT. Notice He healed on the Sabbath? That was against the Jewish law. Cost Him as well.;)

[QUOTE="Locke562"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah quote mining. If you read the entirity of the NT you will see Jesus does change the law. What was important to the Jewish faith back in the day has no place in the new word created by Jesus. But then you couldn't accuse Christians of being pro murder etc if you quoted NT teaching.

What Jesus was referring to was the He was prophesied in the OT. Notice He healed on the Sabbath? That was against the Jewish law. Cost Him as well.;)

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Then I suppose you will show me in the NT where Jewish laws of the OT are upheld. And where Christians practice them today. You're up....

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I call shenanigans. They didn't even know where India was. Commander-Gree

[QUOTE="Commander-Gree"]I call shenanigans. They didn't even know where India was. 67gt500

Not even close to what I was claiming. You're not even twisting my words. You're just making stuff up.

Locke562

Because this behavior is justifiable using the Bible. As is rape, murder, genocide, pillaging, slavery, etc.Locke562

I think you might want to reread your response to what I posted as this is what you said about Christianity/Christians. Your words.....nothing I created.

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Then I suppose you will show me in the NT where Jewish laws of the OT are upheld. And where Christians practice them today. You're up....

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Not even close to what I was claiming. You're not even twisting my words. You're just making stuff up.

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Because this behavior is justifiable using the Bible. As is rape, murder, genocide, pillaging, slavery, etc.Locke562

I think you might want to reread your response to what I posted as this is what you said about Christianity/Christians. Your words.....nothing I created.

EDIT: Why is it so hard for you to believe they people misuse parts of scripture to justify their own misdeeds?

I suggest you reread our entire discourse, especially the part where I claimed that it is possible to justify atrocities using the bible without understanding the message of the bible or by quote mining or by other means. Which was my point. Locke562

[QUOTE="Locke562"] I suggest you reread our entire discourse, especially the part where I claimed that it is possible to justify atrocities using the bible without understanding the message of the bible or by quote mining or by other means. Which was my point. LJS9502_basic

[ Read Edit above ^Locke562

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Then I suppose you will show me in the NT where Jewish laws of the OT are upheld. And where Christians practice them today. You're up....

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it goes on to state the following: "Although Christianity by tradition affirms that the Five Books of Moses, also called the Pentateuch, are the inspired word of God, Christian tradition, in this case similar to Jewish tradition, denies that all biblical law applies directly to Christians, but different arguments are used to reach that conclusion and there are differences of opinion within Christianity as to which laws, if any, apply."

I also never claimed that the New Testament said anythign about murder.

I've heard people JUST like this.

One retard was trying to explain how Dinosaurs are a scientific conspiracy against christians. And how space is a lie, that stars are only tiny specks of light a few miles away. She was convinced that science, in all its forms is just a big lie to bring down the church.

There is a lot of christians that believe in a geocentric universe... Fail on a universal scale!

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y statement was that your interpretation of the bible led you to believe that the old testament was not a part of the Christian religion. I gave an example of somethign that is in the old testament that is followed to this day. I also mentioned the ten commandments that have made their way into the Christian mode of thinkign from their origins in the Old Testment. If you'll look here you'll see the following: "There are diverse views of the issues involved with some concluding that none is applicable, some conclude that only parts are applicable, and others conclude that all are still applicable to believers in Jesus and the New Covenant."

it goes on to state the following: "Although Christianity by tradition affirms that the Five Books of Moses, also called the Pentateuch, are the inspired word of God, Christian tradition, in this case similar to Jewish tradition, denies that all biblical law applies directly to Christians, but different arguments are used to reach that conclusion and there are differences of opinion within Christianity as to which laws, if any, apply."

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y statement was that your interpretation of the bible led you to believe that the old testament was not a part of the Christian religion. I gave an example of somethign that is in the old testament that is followed to this day. I also mentioned the ten commandments that have made their way into the Christian mode of thinkign from their origins in the Old Testment. If you'll look here you'll see the following: "There are diverse views of the issues involved with some concluding that none is applicable, some conclude that only parts are applicable, and others conclude that all are still applicable to believers in Jesus and the New Covenant."

it goes on to state the following: "Although Christianity by tradition affirms that the Five Books of Moses, also called the Pentateuch, are the inspired word of God, Christian tradition, in this case similar to Jewish tradition, denies that all biblical law applies directly to Christians, but different arguments are used to reach that conclusion and there are differences of opinion within Christianity as to which laws, if any, apply."

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[QUOTE="Locke562"] I suggest you reread our entire discourse, especially the part where I claimed that it is possible to justify atrocities using the bible without understanding the message of the bible or by quote mining or by other means. Which was my point. LJS9502_basic

wow they are just full of intelligence

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[QUOTE="Locke562"] I suggest you reread our entire discourse, especially the part where I claimed that it is possible to justify atrocities using the bible without understanding the message of the bible or by quote mining or by other means. Which was my point. _en1gma_

That most certainly is not the discussion. The discussion is that people can use the bible to justify such actions by picking and choosing which sections to believe and which to ignore, and that doing so means they don't understand the entire message. Locke562

Well then your statement was wrong. That is not the discussion. I can certainly appraise you as to the importance of the OT to Christians. But the discussion was that Christianity condones murder, rape, pillage, genocide etc. I am looking for NT scripture from those arguing against my stance that it does not. You are one of those arguing against me. So where is the Scripture?

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However, I will let you know I have not read the bible. But a quick internet search regarding murder and the new testament came up with this quote: "Romans 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No the conversation was about Christians. You brought up the murder, rape, genocide, etc which are not Christian teachings. In fact, in subsequent posts you said assumed Christians followed the Jewish laws as well. I'm quite aware of the conversation. I'm also aware that Christianity DOES NOT condone those acts you brought up. Blaming Christianity for what an individual chooses to do is wrong. Christianity does NOT teach violence. Quite the opposite.;)

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Well then your statement was wrong. That is not the discussion. I can certainly appraise you as to the importance of the OT to Christians. But the discussion was that Christianity condones murder, rape, pillage, genocide etc. I am looking for NT scripture from those arguing against my stance that it does not. You are one of those arguing against me. So where is the Scripture?

BumFluff122

However, I will let you know I have not read the bible. But a quick internet search regarding murder and the new testament came up with this quote: "Romans 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

Uh...that quote is not telling people to murder. It's telling them it's wrong.:|

Why is your entire Modus Operandi in this discussion a strawman? Locke562

[QUOTE="Locke562"] That most certainly is not the discussion. The discussion is that people can use the bible to justify such actions by picking and choosing which sections to believe and which to ignore, and that doing so means they don't understand the entire message. LJS9502_basic

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Well then your statement was wrong. That is not the discussion. I can certainly appraise you as to the importance of the OT to Christians. But the discussion was that Christianity condones murder, rape, pillage, genocide etc. I am looking for NT scripture from those arguing against my stance that it does not. You are one of those arguing against me. So where is the Scripture?

LJS9502_basic

However, I will let you know I have not read the bible. But a quick internet search regarding murder and the new testament came up with this quote: "Romans 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

Uh...that quote is not telling people to murder. It's telling them it's wrong.:|

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[QUOTE="Locke562"] That most certainly is not the discussion. The discussion is that people can use the bible to justify such actions by picking and choosing which sections to believe and which to ignore, and that doing so means they don't understand the entire message. Locke562

[QUOTE="Locke562"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes it was. You used the OT teaches to imply Christianity condones murder, genocide etc. That was your response to my post stating not to generalize based on a couple individuals. Now you are backpedalling that initial statement.

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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Why are you attempting to state that I am arguing something which I am not? I responded to your statement that "The OT is not Christianity...". And why are you attempting to drag me into an argument that I don't even have?

However, I will let you know I have not read the bible. But a quick internet search regarding murder and the new testament came up with this quote: "Romans 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

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Uh...that quote is not telling people to murder. It's telling them it's wrong.:|

It means though they know what God decrees they continue to do the opposite and they deserve death. However, it doesn't CALL for their death.;)

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2 Christians and a Hindu walk into a bar....ba dum tish XD4NTESINF3RNOX

Both, since the Bible is vague enough to be interpreted both ways, and since it's such a large text and easy to miss the big picture. [spoiler] Smash your computer :P [/spoiler] Locke562

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It means though they know what God decrees they continue to do the opposite and they deserve death. However, it doesn't CALL for their death.;)

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