2 Christians. 1 Hindu. A discussion that made my jaw drop to the floor.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Well then your statement was wrong. That is not the discussion. I can certainly appraise you as to the importance of the OT to Christians. But the discussion was that Christianity condones murder, rape, pillage, genocide etc. I am looking for NT scripture from those arguing against my stance that it does not. You are one of those arguing against me. So where is the Scripture?

LJS9502_basic

However, I will let you know I have not read the bible. But a quick internet search regarding murder and the new testament came up with this quote: "Romans 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

Uh...that quote is not telling people to murder. It's telling them it's wrong.:|

Well that is certainly a vague statement. Sorry to disappoint but it's not my interpretation. The words are right there in front of you. Deliberately misinterpreted a scripture for one's own agenda does mean the scripture is as they used it.;)

LJS9502_basic

The term "Christianity" is way too vague.. They interpret the bible as they see fit. The OT laws are in fact supported by Jesus in the NT.. "For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB) Much of the slavery support by Jesus is also present in the NT.. This is why I think using the bible to describe Christians is worthless. Christians are supposed to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, but they do not. They pick which ones to follow._en1gma_

To clarify for you....He was speaking of the covenant. Christians do not follow the man made Jewish laws and customs. That is fact. Jesus himself broke several which was used against him by the chief priests and scribes of the Jewish faith.

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Well that is certainly a vague statement. Sorry to disappoint but it's not my interpretation. The words are right there in front of you. Deliberately misinterpreted a scripture for one's own agenda does mean the scripture is as they used it.;)

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]The term "Christianity" is way too vague.. They interpret the bible as they see fit. The OT laws are in fact supported by Jesus in the NT.. "For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB) Much of the slavery support by Jesus is also present in the NT.. This is why I think using the bible to describe Christians is worthless. Christians are supposed to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, but they do not. They pick which ones to follow.LJS9502_basic

To clarify for you....He was speaking of the covenant. Christians do not follow the man made Jewish laws and customs. That is fact. Jesus himself broke several which was used against him by the chief priests and scribes of the Jewish faith.

How many times are people going to post this? It's probably just a few trolls anyway.

It is vague because Christians pick which teachings of Jesus to follow. How is it not vague? Why are there so many Christians with different beliefs than each other?_en1gma_

How many times are people going to post this?

pianist

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Well that is certainly a vague statement. Sorry to disappoint but it's not my interpretation. The words are right there in front of you. Deliberately misinterpreted a scripture for one's own agenda does mean the scripture is as they used it.;)

LJS9502_basic

A serial killer deserves death in your opinion. Death is not a peaceful subject...no matter who "deserves" it. Especially when Christianity upholds love for every single person as well as forgiveness. Two very important teachings of Jesus.._en1gma_

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]It is vague because Christians pick which teachings of Jesus to follow. How is it not vague? Why are there so many Christians with different beliefs than each other?LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Yes the words are right there that state that God's holy word says they deserve death. He is condoning their death. As stated it is your interpretation of it. Just as it is your interpretation of Christianity that the Old Testament not be included. I have had conversations with many Christians where they have stated that the Old Testament was a part of Christianity. However the coming of Jesus was the thing that opened the heart of God more or less. again, it is your interpretation of the scripture and yours alone.

_en1gma_

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How many times are people going to post this?

LJS9502_basic

Yeah... once a week for a year. That oughta work it out of peoples' systems.

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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]It is vague because Christians pick which teachings of Jesus to follow. How is it not vague? Why are there so many Christians with different beliefs than each other?_en1gma_

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Well that is certainly a vague statement. Sorry to disappoint but it's not my interpretation. The words are right there in front of you. Deliberately misinterpreted a scripture for one's own agenda does mean the scripture is as they used it.;)

LJS9502_basic

so if a serial killer killed all of your family members would you still forgive him??XD4NTESINF3RNOX

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]But it is not vague. It's vague to you perhaps but that doesn't mean it is to others. What different Christian beliefs? First you have to elaborate. The belief that Christians have is that Jesus is the messiah. Which Christians don't believe that?

LJS9502_basic

[Provide proof for my assessment of the last point? I stated "Many Christians argue such points" in here. I'm not about to go through the entirety of these forums to find a specific section where the argumnent concerns the old and new testament. All the proof you need is to pay attention to many of the evangelical christians in these forums to get some idea of tthe many interpretations of the bible that exist.

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]A serial killer deserves death. That does mean the speaker has killed said individual. Two different things. And I'd like you to provide the proof for your vague assessment in your last post.

XD4NTESINF3RNOX

I probably wouldn't, but I would assume Christians would because that is what Jesus Christ teaches. Forgiveness.

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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] All Christians believe that, yes...but other beliefs such as creation and the teachings of Jesus Christ differ greatly from Christian to Christian._en1gma_

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No they don't. I studied other Christian relgiions and haven't found any great differences.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]But it is not vague. It's vague to you perhaps but that doesn't mean it is to others. What different Christian beliefs? First you have to elaborate. The belief that Christians have is that Jesus is the messiah. Which Christians don't believe that?

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No they don't. I studied other Christian relgiions and haven't found any great differences.

LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] All Christians believe that, yes...but other beliefs such as creation and the teachings of Jesus Christ differ greatly from Christian to Christian.BumFluff122

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[QUOTE="_en1gma_"] Other Christian religions? So there are different religions of Christianity? :?_en1gma_

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No they don't. I studied other Christian relgiions and haven't found any great differences.

LJS9502_basic

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[Provide proof for my assessment of the last point? I stated "Many Christians argue such points" in here. I'm not about to go through the entirety of these forums to find a specific section where the argumnent concerns the old and new testament. All the proof you need is to pay attention to many of the evangelical christians in these forums to get some idea of tthe many interpretations of the bible that exist.

LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No they don't. I studied other Christian relgiions and haven't found any great differences.

LJS9502_basic

Oh yes, that much is very clear.Locke562

The Church of Latter Day Saints and The Greek Orthodox Church are pretty different. Locke562

I didn;t state that science was a part of Christianity. However the way one interprets the bible is the issue here. That interpretation of the bible changes from age ot age as science learns mroe abotu the world aroudn us. We are havign a discussion about the interpretation of the bible which changes through time due to a number of factors. Science discoveries being one of them.

BumFluff122

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I didn;t state that science was a part of Christianity. However the way one interprets the bible is the issue here. That interpretation of the bible changes from age ot age as science learns mroe abotu the world aroudn us. We are havign a discussion about the interpretation of the bible which changes through time due to a number of factors. Science discoveries being one of them.

LJS9502_basic

3,000 sects of christianity and growing.

The most referenced and least read religion with the most variations. To try and narrow down a christian is nearly impossible, they just shift their beliefs around and pick whats most convenient for any given debate. Some take it literally, some say its all methaphor, most think its both literal and methaphorical depending on the times.

If christians would just drop genesis they would be a better religion. 7 days? Magic? 5000 years ago? No, thats not true, get with the times...

There's been a topic on this already, and I call fake.

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I didn;t state that science was a part of Christianity. However the way one interprets the bible is the issue here. That interpretation of the bible changes from age ot age as science learns mroe abotu the world aroudn us. We are havign a discussion about the interpretation of the bible which changes through time due to a number of factors. Science discoveries being one of them.

BumFluff122

There's been a topic on this already, and I call fake.

Theokhoth

You took one sentence out of context. That is never how to interprete a scripture.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Locke562"] Oh yes, that much is very clear.LJS9502_basic

The Church of Latter Day Saints and The Greek Orthodox Church are pretty different. Locke562

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You took one sentence out of context. That is never how to interprete a scripture.

BumFluff122

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You took one sentence out of context. That is never how to interprete a scripture.

LJS9502_basic

It says they deserve death. And is much the same as my point above.

How many times are people going to post this? It's probably just a few trolls anyway.

pianist

Yes indeed, and completely unrelated...I just clicked to the last page without reading the 2nd page and I was reading the posts and people kept saying OT is not christianity or whatever and I was like wait...wait...what, Off Topic is not....this doesnt make sense and then I finally got it....just thought I would share.

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[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]How did I take it out of context? God stated that people who did evil things deserve death. If I stated that someone deserved death that raped my friend many would see that as me supporting the idea. Again, it is your interpretation.

BumFluff122

It says they deserve death. And is much the same as my point above.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]That's not even close to what the words said dude.

LJS9502_basic

It says they deserve death. And is much the same as my point above.

Yes indeed, and completely unrelated...I just clicked to the last page without reading the 2nd page and I was reading the posts and people kept saying OT is not christianity or whatever and I was like wait...wait...what, Off Topic is not....this doesnt make sense and then I finally got it....just thought I would share.

Lindsosaurus

Haha... well, it would be easy to confuse, especially given how many religious threads we get here, and the... peculiar arguments you sometimes hear.

Haha... well, it would be easy to confuse, especially given how many religious threads we get here.

pianist

It's okay, you do not have to make excuses for my slowness but I appreciate it, such a true friend. :)

Edit: I suppose you are right...it would not be completely impossible that someone WAS actually talking about Off Topic in that argument

There's been a topic on this already, and I call fake.

Theokhoth

It's okay, you do not have to make excuses for my slowness but I appreciate it, such a true friend. :)

Edit: I suppose you are right...it would not be completely impossible that someone WAS actually talking about Off Topic in that argument

Lindsosaurus

Yep. There are a lot of people here who are hostile towards religion. Maybe not to the extent of, say, Deity_Slapper or his 243 aliases, but hostile nonetheless.

How many times are people going to post this? It's probably just a few trolls anyway.

pianist

Mhm. People are grand aren't they?