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Per The Express UK

The UK and Ukraine have signed a £2.6 billion loan deal to strengthen the Ukrainian armies defense capabilities

hmm, the USS Delaware uses diesel for its steam turbine via nuclear ... ? That seems rather, odd...

Were they a supplier for any US naval ships? This company looks like they have a dozen tanker ships tho, which is probably getting close to being as big as Norway's navy. lol

This could also be mistranslation as his primary language is Ukrainian.

Also I'm not expert on subs.

But I do know the idea that nuclear subs, esp old ones do not use fuel is wrong. They also require frequent maintenance like all equipment.

The USS Delaware doesn’t need to frequently visit ports specifically to replenish its marine diesel supply, thanks to its nuclear-powered design and the limited role of diesel on board. Let’s break this down to explain how and when it might get marine diesel, and why port visits for this purpose aren’t a regular necessity: Why Ports Aren’t Needed Often for Marine Diesel

1. Minimal Diesel Usage:
   • The marine diesel is used only for the auxiliary diesel generator, which is a backup system for emergency electrical power. Since the nuclear reactor powers all propulsion and primary electrical needs, the diesel generator is rarely activated during normal operations. This means the submarine consumes very little diesel over time.
   • The amount of marine diesel carried is small compared to diesel-electric submarines, which rely on it for propulsion and need frequent refueling. The USS Delaware’s diesel stockpile is designed to last for extended periods—potentially the duration of a deployment—because it’s a contingency reserve, not a primary resource.
2. Nuclear Power Independence:
   • The nuclear reactor provides nearly unlimited range and endurance, limited only by food, crew supplies, and maintenance needs, not fuel. A Virginia-class submarine can operate for months (typically 3-6 month deployments) without needing to resupply fuel of any kind, including marine diesel, unless an unusual emergency depletes the backup reserve.
3. Initial Stocking:
   • When the submarine departs its homeport (like Naval Submarine Base New London in Groton, Connecticut, or another U.S. naval facility), it’s loaded with all necessary supplies, including marine diesel for the auxiliary generator. This initial stock is calculated to cover the mission duration, with a safety margin for emergencies.

How They Get Marine Diesel

• Routine Port Visits:
  • The USS Delaware gets its marine diesel during scheduled stops at naval bases or ports equipped to service submarines. These visits occur for:
    • Resupply: Restocking food, spare parts, and miscellaneous supplies, including topping off the diesel if needed.
    • Maintenance: Periodic checks or repairs, during which the diesel tank might be refilled as a standard procedure.
    • Crew Rotation: Swapping personnel after a deployment, often accompanied by logistical support like fuel resupply.
  • Naval bases have specialized fueling capabilities for marine diesel, delivered via fuel barges, trucks, or pier-side connections, depending on the port’s infrastructure.
• Not a Frequent Need:
  • Unlike surface ships or diesel submarines that burn fuel continuously and need regular refueling, the USS Delaware’s diesel isn’t depleted quickly.
• No Mid-Ocean Refueling for Diesel:
  • Nuclear submarines don’t typically rely on underway replenishment (UNREP) for marine diesel from supply ships, as they do for food or other consumables. The diesel reserve is small enough to be managed during port visits, and the reactor eliminates the need for frequent fuel logistics at sea.

Practical Implications

• Port Dependency: The submarine isn’t forced to visit ports just to get marine diesel. It goes to port for broader operational reasons (maintenance, crew relief, or mission staging), and diesel resupply is a minor, incidental task during those stops.
• Strategic Advantage: This minimal reliance on diesel—and thus on frequent port visits for fuel—enhances its stealth and autonomy, allowing it to stay submerged and on mission far longer than diesel-electric subs that need regular surface refueling.

So, in short: Yes, they get marine diesel at ports, but they don’t need to visit ports often—or specifically—for that purpose. The diesel is replenished during routine naval base stops, and the small quantity needed means it’s not a driving factor in their operational schedule.

It's moderate misconception that nuclear submarines don’t use any fuel outside of nuclear (i.e., uranium), but it’s not as widespread or glaring as the broader “nuclear subs don’t use fuel” idea. It’s more of a nuance that gets overlooked by those who aren’t deep into naval tech details. Let’s unpack this specifically—focusing on non-nuclear fuel like marine diesel—and see how big a deal it is:The Misconception

• What People Assume: When folks hear “nuclear submarine,” they often picture a vessel powered entirely and exclusively by its nuclear reactor, with no need for any other type of fuel. The idea of marine diesel or any non-nuclear fuel onboard might not even cross their minds, especially since nuclear power handles propulsion and primary systems so comprehensively.
• Source of Confusion: Simplified explanations emphasize the reactor’s dominance—unlimited range, no refueling stops for propulsion—and rarely mention auxiliary systems like diesel generators. This creates an impression that nuclear subs are 100% nuclear-dependent, with no other fuel in the mix.

The Reality: Non-Nuclear Fuel Is Used

• Marine Diesel on the USS Delaware (and Similar Subs):
• Submarines like the USS Delaware carry marine diesel to power an auxiliary diesel generator. This generator provides emergency electricity for critical systems (e.g., lights, ventilation, controls) if the reactor is offline or unavailable.
  • How Much Is Used: The quantity is small, and its use is rare. The diesel isn’t for propulsion—that’s all nuclear—but for backup power. A Virginia-class sub might carry just enough for a few days of emergency operation, replenished during routine port visits.
  • Standard Across Nuclear Subs: This isn’t unique to the USS Delaware. Most nuclear-powered submarines (U.S., Russian, British, etc.) have some form of diesel backup, though designs vary. It’s a practical redundancy, not a primary feature.

Regarding submarines, refuelling is not so much the issue as maintainance is.

This is a loss for US hard power. Maybe this is partially why Trump wants Greenland. Because he knows, that his actions are turning theh US into a Pariah state.

There is a fairly small detachment of non ukrainians fighting for ukraine.

French President Emmanuel Macron has said he is ready to start discussions on nuclear deterrence for Europe, hinting France could help to protect other EU countries.

On that note, Sweden has been militarizing a LOT in teh past 2 years. I wonder if the current coalition will start a nuclear weapons program BEFORE the red greens take over (which, based on the polls, they probably will).

Most likely not, even if the sentiment is there among some.

Wouldn't surprise me if it was a mistranslation, but you're the one copying and pasting the Tweets. lol Don't you think you should critically analyze it before regurgitating other people's material?

Also, where are you copying and pasting this from?

You tend to copy and paste a lot of content and commonly forget to cite things or actually discuss it at all. It's getting to be rather disruptive so be better about that please. I get you're "passionate" regarding American politics and Ukraine, but let's not spam the thread with silliness.

Ah, see you're using the old "gonna try pull frivolous warning", shit. (for context he gave me a private warning)..

Clearly a bone to pick, pretty immature.

Yes, it's a "bone to pick" when you're commonly [1][2][3] just regurgitating other people's material without giving any feedback on it... in fact, 3 of the 4 posts on this page from you did just that. lol

I was giving a friendly reminder, without having to issue any official warnings.

Not that this mod contributes with anything other than passive-aggressive shit posting but he has a point.

@uninspiredcup: The thing is: Russian can afford to lose the men. They don't care. Experts were saying during first year that once Russia loses like 100k men they'll stop. Now they're reaching a million if not passed that already and there's no end in sight. Ukraine is sending people with no training to front lines, morale is low, desertions high. Ukraine is hanging by a thread. Ukraine will lose the war, it may take a year, two years or maybe three years, but it will happen unless something major happens.

As point of respect make an effort to cite sources, but I don't really beleive you at all as to intent.

Noticed started developing a habit following me around for the most inane stuff where seem to not want to stop the conversation. Bit weird.

And very clearly discuss lots of stuff, that's nonsense.

I didn't say you didn't discuss "lots of stuff" -- the issue is literally just copy and pasting other people's content with none of your discussion in it and no citations. lol It's bizarre, hence why I am telling you to stop being silly about that.

That sounds like a conspiracy actually; hmm afterall, it's always a conspiracy.

You're right, but also somewhat wrong.

In the immediate sense, yes, they don't care. It's generally always been that way with Russia.

The likes of the UK, America, France, generally, "The West", would balk at this idea of a meat grinder.

Completely different mentality, a frightening but also potent one.

The flip side though, is the long term ramifications. Population decline, economy, social instability etc..

It could even result in a long term collapse.

Regarding Ukraine, they will have problems of their own, including moral and quality dips, but generally speaking, they are a very good army, better than the quality of Russia and esp NK. Particularly in their drone warfare, which is really the future of warfare. Arguably, the best in the world even taking into account US/China.

The main thing we can take from this war, regarding Russia and Ukraine is that Russia is far from the mighty army we perceived them as and Ukraine far for the 3 day fall we all expected.

Said repeatedly, and stand by it, Ukraine is the best army in Europe. And assuming the outcome is a potential dismantling of nato, some sort of pact, them, as an army, including their drone warfare, is what Europe wants, not stupid minerals.

Seems South Korea is getting ahead in that regard.

https://mod.gov.ua/en/news/south-korea-has-expressed-interest-in-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine-s-experience-with-drone-deployment-sergiy-boyev-meets-with-the-south-korean-delegation

@lykosia: Russia can politically afford it. But what Russia is doing is unsustainable in the long term.

Russia can only lose so many men, until it starts having serious ramificiations on the health of the country.

It shouldn't take too much more to seriously cripple Russia. Unfortunately, the US has a Putin asset in office.

JD Vance was being harassed, or at least protested.

Not really sure what to make of it, while he's deplorable, his kids obviously haven't done anything wrong.

https://x.com/ChrisDJackson/status/1895891426896142407

@LJS9502_basic: Yup. That speech man. I mostly rolled my eyes at the JD Vance speech. But this speech, actually seemed to rile up everyone.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-security-summit-europe-1.7472403

I don't understand how any American can think this is putting America first. Isolationism is not prudent. But magas dig into to the talking points aren't interested in even entertaining their information is wrong.

I saw a meme on social media, Moscow Agent Governing America. Can't say I disagree. This is very depressing.

Needless to say Zelenskyy' visit the UK was far more dignified.

https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1895941753594638682

Still doesn't really change fact pretty dire situtation.

@uninspiredcup: Yeah, the situation is dire, evven though they get a lot of support from european nations for now, that could all disappear the moment pro-putin parties get put into power.

Also, it seems you were correct and a US submarine may already have been forced to turn back. Because it turns out those backup generators are important. Cannot fully verify it yet, but it seems quite likely you were correct.

Why would Trump ask Putin to make peace when US support is no more? To Trump it would be an opportunity to end the war asap.

I don't say that. High ranking military say that - now with US support still in place. Like Reisner or Kujat. If US cuts support completely - not just weapons, but communication/intelligence (ISTAR) - Ukraine will be done and Europe won't be able to do anything. That is the reality of things.

I think most people don't realize how vital US contribution is.

Let's say Ukraine will lose. What then? Is the conflict going to be continued? Are sanctions going to be upheld? Russia more and more isolated, NATO trying to expand, pre emptively strike against Russia? According to politicians like Annalena Baerbock (German Minister of foreign Affairs) Putin is gonna march on Berlin next if not stopped (she really said that). Perpetual Conflict, War is Peace.

@palasta: The goal would be to continue until Russia pulls out of Ukraine.

Giving Russia what it wants only emboldens it. And will ensure they will soon enough continue to invade another nation, or even Ukraine again. This wont end until Russian expansionist agenda ends.

We will have perpetual conflict with Russia Regardless. The difference is, do we want perpetual conflict with Russia and the regions it occupies or just Russia?

@Stevo_the_gamer: they are AI generated responses. Not sure if it’s ChatGPT, but it’s some form of AI.

They seem to be now suggesting they want to leave Nato, which isn't surprising.

Nato itself seems to be preparing for that hurryingly.

Elon Musk is signal boosting the idea, no surprise. This man is a blight.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1896026564019830820

This is potentially quite short sighted on both ends, Trump is old, probably dead in 10 years maybe even less, and MAGA may be out of power bringing it back to the status quo, and more to the point even if they are around, Trump is their Jim Jones.

Unfortunately their is the immediate threat of Russia where we do not have the luxury of time.

Donald Trump will ultimately get what he was demanding, a stronger Europe, just not by the means he expected.

@MirkoS77: Twitter posts.

e.g. https://x.com/WarMonitor3

Ukrainian sources tend to be the fasted and most up to date news for obv reasons.

Twitter? Huh.

Perhaps you’re copying and pasting someone else’s AI responses unknowingly then, but it’s eerily similar to AI in its prose and presentation. The phraseology is a dead ringer for ChatGPT.

If not then fair enough, but I’d be amazed if there was no AI contribution in it at all.

@MirkoS77: The sub response is AI. Surprised didn't spot it, actually very obvious I do not type like this.

Nothing against AI personally, knew off-hand they did use fuel, just get a much more expanded in depth answer at the click of a button.

AI art slop, I get. But for quick info it's a wonderful tool. The reality is as well, it's typically more faithful a source than people unless specifically designed to lie.

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In regards to Twitter, that's generally completely in line with how posting works. They are condensed typically to the summery of an article or to the relevant part due to post limitation and modern consumption of content, practically all real time war-accounts operate this way.

However that style of info probably isn't the best posting habit for this forum, not just because it's a stream but because actually editing and expanding posts is a nightmare.

From now on I'll use websites.

I had suspicions, but there isn't a good definitive way to detect this sort of content. Even the best so-called "AI analysis" is hit or miss. It's rather the nature of the beast these days, hence why I request people to cite cite cite so we can avoid the lacking justified sources mantra or worse... the nauseating copy-and-paste mantra because people literally can't think for themselves.

Be interesting to see if at this point on they are effectively ignoring Trump entirely, or they plan to try push Zelenskyy back to him where he will be forced into ritualistic humiliation.

They could also have him potentially resign as a form of capitulation, where ultimately everyone tolerate and entertains Trump.

If Ukriane remains and war doesn't spread out, whoring yourself to modern day Nero may be worth the indignity.

https://kyivindependent.com/trudeau-heads-to-european-defense-summit-in-london/

Canada's Trudeau heads to European defense summit in London

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau departed for London on March 1 to take part in a European defense summit focused on shaping the conditions for a lasting peace in Ukraine.

The gathering, initially planned as a high-level European meeting, has gained new urgency with President Volodymyr Zelensky’s attendance, following his tense exchange with U.S. President Donald Trump at the White House on Feb. 28.

Zelensky had traveled to Washington expecting to finalize a critical minerals deal with the U.S., but the agreement fell apart after he pushed for security guarantees alongside economic cooperation. Trump responded with visible frustration, escalating tensions between the two leaders and casting doubt on future American support for Kyiv.

The fallout from the meeting has reinforced European concerns about Trump’s stance on Ukraine and prompted fresh discussions on strengthening Europe’s independent defense efforts.

Earlier this month, Trump’s overtures toward Russia alarmed European leaders, accelerating their efforts to enhance Ukraine’s military support.

European governments increasingly view Ukraine’s security as integral to their own, and Sunday’s summit in London is expected to focus on how to fill the gaps left by uncertain U.S. backing. France, Germany, and the U.K. have been leading discussions on increased defense funding and alternative security arrangements for Kyiv.

Canada was not initially listed among the invited participants when U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer outlined plans for the meeting during his recent visit to Washington.

Trudeau’s decision to attend signals Canada’s ongoing commitment to Ukraine and its role in broader transatlantic security discussions. While Ottawa has provided substantial military and financial aid to Kyiv, it remains to be seen what new commitments, if any, Canada will bring to the table.

Europe was beyond stupid for not moving away from US influence during his first mandate. If they don't do it now and keep denying the implications of a traitor in the white house I guess the EU deserves whatever it gets. Fucking Trump was already a mouthpiece for Russian propaganda around brexit time and is as invested in breaking up the EU as in supporting Russia.

We agree that US support is incredibly important. Ukraine would probably lose without it (depending on how fast it is dropped and how fast Europe can ramp up production). It would be very, very bad. US also provides a nuclear umbrella to the Eastern part of Europe (France and GB being the only two European nations with nukes). US is the main deterrent for Russia not invading the Baltic states. With no nuclear support for Europe, Putin could march on Berlin. It's obviously very unlikely. But the Baltic states are very small and difficult to defend. The risk for them is immense. Putin will keep pushing. And he will take everything that gives.

I think almost everyone realizes how vital US contribution is. Otherwise Trump would have been cut off already.

I think you put the finger on the key issue. What will break first: Ukraine (with western support), or Russia (with eastern support)?

I have wrestled with this question and I think there are too many unknowns for us armchair analysts 🧐🙃. From what I reckon Russia are the ones pushing. They have the larger population. They are also losing more men (which is natural for the attacking side). Finacially Russia is in much more trouble. And Putin wants to avoid recruiting from St Petersburg/Moscow at all costsm because than public support may plummet.

This is a chicken race and Trump has blinked. He has signaled that he thinks that there is no way Ukraine can hold on. He has also ruined all relations on the western side. He has made Ukraine/west look super weak. Regardless what the facts are on the ground he has given Russia everything. They now have zero incentives to make a long lasting peace deal. All they have to do is wait and they will soon be able to dominate all of Ukraine with catastrophic consequences for its population.

Keir Starmer: For me, the components of a lasting peace are a strong Ukraine to fight on, if necessary, to be in a position of strength; to negotiate a European element to security guarantees, and that’s why I’ve been forward-leaning on this about what we would do; and a US backstop.

That’s the package, all three parts need to be in place, and that’s what I’m working hard to bring together.

UK and France to work with Ukraine on peace plan to be presented to US, Starmer says, before major defence summit – live

I agree with Starmer. As a European my hope and support is now with Starmer and Macron. Perhaps they are not perfect, but they are far better than the clown in the Whitehouse.

The West has to show that if Putin does not make a deal it will cost him. And there needs to be concrete security guarantees, his word means nothing (that goes for both Putin and Trump). A mineral deal is not sufficient. Trump's "plan" to first publicly signal that all support for Ukraine will be dropped and then try to make a deal, is beyond stupid. You can not make a deal with the Russians from weakness.

Odd feeling that the UK might have something approaching a good Prime Minister again.

Although rolled a 3 on the charisma.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/politics/international-relations/ukraine-war-latest-starmer-to-present-peace-deal-to-trump-after-uncomfortable-zelensky-white-house-clash/ar-AA1rr7K2

Starmer to present peace deal to Trump after ‘uncomfortable’ Zelensky White House clash

LIVE – Updated at 09:53

Sir Keir Starmer will present a peace plan to US president Donald Trump after a summit of European leaders in London today, he has revealed.

In an interview with the BBC this morning, Sir Keir said his recent conversations with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky, French leader Emmanuel Macron and Mr Trump have led to an agreement that the UK, alongside Paris and “possibly one or two others”, will work with Kyiv to draw up a “plan to stop the fighting”.

He added that the plan will then be discussed with the United States. “I think we've got a step in the right direction", he said.

It comes after he described the clash between Mr Zelensky and Mr Trump in the White House on Friday as “uncomfortable” to watch, though he added that he believes the US president does want a “lasting peace”.

Sir Keir will host a critical meeting of world leaders today to discuss future support for Ukraine.

The Ukrainian leader will be among more than a dozen leaders attending the meeting from a host of European nations, as well as Canada, Turkey and Nato. It is being held at Lancaster House, a 200-year-old elegant mansion near Buckingham Palace.

Mr Zelensky will also meet with King Charles in what is being seen as a moment of royal solidarity with Ukraine.

Key Points

• Zelensky to meet King Charles today
• Starmer says Trump-Zelensky clash made him 'uncomfortable'
• UK would continue supporting Ukraine if the US stopped aid, says minister
• Zelensky: A meaningful and warm meeting with Starmer
• UK to loan Ukraine £2.26bn to boost defence

Russias experience is that they get what they want of land in Europe. Georgia, Crimea being some examples.

Maroxad have you heard anything about China possibly have moved mining equipment into Ukraine? In the parts that Russia controls.

I heard about it, but not enough to properly verify it.

Elon tries to deny his Nazi allegations on Joe Rogan after the salute.

Yeah, I think the Tesla protests (headed by actor Alex Winter, who played Bill from Bill and Ted) are getting to him. And with Tesla stock down, I can't wait for his Norman Osborn phase, despite never founding ANY of his companies.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202503019400

See Iran is a fan of keeping up with the Trumpdashians.

Khamenei says Trump-Zelensky blowout proves US cannot be trusted

Shortly after the February 28 Oval Office clash between Donald Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, the office of Iran's Supreme Leader reposted his 2022 remarks criticizing Ukraine's reliance on the United States.

"The first lesson from the situation in Ukraine is that Western support for countries and governments that are their puppets is a mirage," the post on Ali Khamenei's X account quotes him as saying in Ukrainian.

"All governments must understand this. Those governments relying on the US and Europe should look at the current situation in Ukraine," the post reads, citing his remarks from March 1, 2022.

Khamenei's office reposted his old comments in reaction to Friday’s controversial meeting between US President Donald Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky, in an apparent effort to vindicate his longtime opposition to the West, and the US in particular.

@nintendoboy16: That first link you posted was terrible, for me anyway. Locked up and I couldn't read the rest of the article. The second one was cool though. 🙂

@DEVILinIRON: Use achieve to get around any payed articles, or simply bang refresh fast on ones that force page block.

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America is now complaining about being fact checked, it's very annoying.

Trump’s national security advisor humiliates Zelensky, comparing him to an annoying "ex-girlfriend"

“He’s clearly solely focused on believing he needs to fact check and correct every nuance,” Mr. Waltzsaid. “It’s like an ex-girlfriend that wants to argue everything that you said nine years ago, rather than moving the relationship forward.”

Waltz stated that the U.S. doubts Zelensky’s willingness to end the war and does not believe he is negotiating in good faith. Michael Waltz said that America needs a Ukrainian leader "it can do business with.

https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1896227307079045353

They have a Tweet in there too with that clip from Muskie himself.

I mean, while its nice that they talk about supporting Ukraine, the question is will they actually provide help? Saying pretty words can only do so much to stop Russia from advancing further...

Yes, this past week they have sent multiple billions, including equipment and plans to produce equipment. Including a 500b fund with Ukraine intrigrated as part of that. The problem is US equipment and EU needs time Ukraine doesn't have. Zel will most likely (not def) have to kiss Trumps ass or be replaced. It's terrible, but sometimes have to do horrible shit for the bigger picture.

Also dilly dallying around with Russian frozen assets.

https://youtu.be/zPhNxZJzk6A?t=114

Just give them the damn money.

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Exactly for what they are winging for (again)

Top US officials, lawmakers lambast Zelensky over White House clash with Trump. A number of U.S. officials and Republican lawmakers are continuing their criticism of President Volodymyr Zelensky, with some suggesting that Zelensky may have to resign, following the president's heated exchange at the White House with U.S. President Donald Trump on Feb. 28.

https://kyivindependent.com/top-us-officials-lawmakers-lambast-zelensky-over-white-house-clash-with-trump/

1. Exactly what Putin wanted from the start, repeated attempts to do this

2. Goes directly against Ukraine law

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Keir Starmer after EU meeting

• 1.6 billion (from Russian assets)
• 5000 air defense millions developed in UK (Belfast) Ukraine to buy.
• Creating own plan to "discuss" with America.
• Regardless of outcome will continue to bolster Ukraine after peace deal
• Coalition of the willing (but seems to be designed around Ukraine during peace than a general one, if reading him right, vague)

Just take the damn deal Zelensky. Think of the children!

@davillain: lmao

I've read that stupid Musk post and this is the first thing I read when I came here.

Looks like the Sweden Democrats or more specifically, Jimmie Åkesson is getting lambasted by their own base for their support of Ukraine. Gonna translate the facebook post. So more ppl than me, Horgen and Sushiglutton can understand.

"The Sweden Democrats are standing firmly with Ukraine and against Russia's war of aggression.

This friday president Trump and Zelensky held a press conference in the white house. Towards the end a remarkable disagreement occured between the presidents.

That the US's president is unable to show clear support for Ukraine who are in a defensive war for their nation's right to exist is very serious. Support for Ukraine needs to be very clear and there can be no doubt that Russia has attacked Ukraine and that the country is bravely fighting in a defensive war against an unprovoked aggression.

The Sweden Democrats stand proudly on Ukraine's side and against Russia's war of aggression."

Perfectly reasonable. Even though I have a lot of issues with the Sweden Democrats. This is a perfectly valid position.

And despite that, a good chunk of their base are now angry with them...

Yes, the words are backed by military aid, volunteers and more.

@davillain: “Just take the damn deal and let Donnie and Elmo turn you into a vassal state for Russia regardless.” 🤦🏻

Yeah take the deal that gives US your minerals with no promise of security. Seriously? 🙄