9/11; What really happened?

bombs? people *heard* explosions. remember! explosion =/= bomb

also, no one saw any bombs, and if there were bombs, they would have been easily seen.

notconspiracy

Come on now. Be realistic. It's perfectly plausible that 100 men in ski masks snuck into both towers for nights on end, unseen, and planted hundred of pounds of explosives. Then, snuck out, unseen (in NYC mind you), and drove home. That doesn't sound realistic to you?

[QUOTE="DrCoCoPiMp"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

you twoofers are quite entertaining. seriously dude, just use occams razor and find out what really happened

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

I know that this topic has been brought up countless times everywhere, but it is brought up for a reason.notconspiracy

a bad reason at that

The following is simply an orientation, introducing the arguement, but not yet the idea.

The Two-Step 9/11 Truth Expedition

Understanding the full truth of 9/11 seems to require two separate awakenings. knowledge-funk

awakenings? you're kidding right?

The first, awakening to the fraudulence of the "official 9/11 story," is a pretty simple brain function and only requires a little study, logic or curiosity. We can help a lot with that part here and it's a major purpose of this site.knowledge-funk

that was an appeal to ridicule

The second step, however, consciously confronting the implications of that knowledge--and what it says about our media, politics and economic system today--is by far the harder awakening and requires an enormous exercise of nerve and heart. (As the Chinese say, "You cannot wake up a man who is pretending to sleep.") In other words, this part of the journey depends more on character than on maps and evidence so we can't help you much here, except to point out inspiring heroes and heroines who have courageously faced that truth, spoken out, and survived. (Though we might also point out the intriguing fact that our 9/11 heroines now outnumber 9/11 heroes by about six to one.) knowledge-funk

people promoting this conspiracy theory are not heroes in any sense of the word

The 911Truth.org Mission: Where we are going with this and where we are not

Although our members and friends in the truth movement hold a variety of opinions about what actually happened on September 11, 2001, 911truth.org as an organization generally believes that our chance for justice is now best served by focusing on the following five points:

The frequently warned of 9/11 attacks handed a lackluster presidency irresistible political power to increase inequality, repression, corporate domination, and imperial warfare (and even boost its electoral clout); knowledge-funk

there was no warning of an attack taking place on 9/11/01 in New York City.

Since this administration benefited so mightily from these crimes, a reasonable person (or investigation) might find it prudent to at least question its possible complicity. knowledge-funk

im sorry, but how has the administration benefitted from 9/11? the approval rating has plummeted since the invasion of Iraq

Even the minimalist LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) complicity scenario constitutes high treason--i.e., the supposition that high officials knew a blowback attack was coming, understood the incredible poltical power it might confer, and preemptively disabled the few working parts of government that might have been able to thwart its success (by ignoring foreign warnings, quashing domestic investigations, cancelling Counterterrorism Task Force meetings, rewriting air emergency response protocols, staging distracting aerial war games, etc.) knowledge-funk

good things its complete BS. there isn't a shred of evidence that this happened

There is now more than enough compelling evidence of just such official misconduct, foul play, perjury and obstruction of justice to constitute probable cause for a full criminal investigation of all 9/11 events;knowledge-funk

what evidence? i'd love to see it

Despite continuing avoidance of this issue by our Congress, major parties and corporate press, there is widespread public support for this perception and course of action (as demonstrated by the August 2004 Zogby 9/11 Poll);

If we as a people refuse to demand truth and justice on a matter this grave, we will deserve our leaders' contempt and embolden them to further treachery. (They and their predecessors have, after all, gotten away with the now documented lies of the Tonkin Resolution, the JFK and MLK assassinations, Iran-Contra, Flight 800, the Waco Davidian murders, the Pentagon's "missing" $2.2 trillion, etc, etc. without consequence. Why should they start worrying about what the "sovereign people" think now?) We have to stand up and draw the line somewhere or we can kiss our hopes for security, solvency and democracy goodbye. knowledge-funk

the 2.2 trillion was lost to a faulty accounting system. The Tonkin Gulf incident (the first attack anyway) did actually happen. the 2nd attack may have been staged

Wildlife to be Avoided

There are a good number of irrational and unsupportable 9/11 theories and theorists "out there" that have been used to great effect to discredit 9/11 truth advocates as whole (Check out Rule 4 in "The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation" to grasp the tactic and then watch it in action in Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear). We are therefore also concerned about these spurious plot lines and how they are exploited, and we criticize many on our site. Every large and growing movement picks up a few noisy dunces or provocateurs in the margins, but they do not in any way invalidate the well researched evidence at its core. We only pray that those drawn to the 9/11 issue by sensationalist claims will stay long enough to learn the less theatrical but equally damning truth.

The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556

Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050208093000680

knowledge-funk

here's my take on 9/11

Al-Qaeda was really pissed off at America for the state of moral decay and our support of Israel in the Arab-Israeli conflict. In an attempt to scare us into submission, they hijacked 4 commercial aircraft and flew them into the WTC and the Pentagon. Due to the fire and the immense kinetic energy put onto the towers, the towers collapsed soonafter

wtf kinetic energy people heard the sound of bombs when the towers collapsed, and the way they fell can only be like this cuz of bombs inside. This is the perfect set-up, nothing else, and it worked perfectly. anywayz, everyone has the right to an opinion

also, no one saw any bombs, and if there were bombs, they would have been easily seen.

nobody saw that ****ing plane trhough the pentagon so get a life

[QUOTE="-theCHUD-"]

to "notconspiracy"

I really hope your name was not inspired by 9/11 because you obviously are not educated on the subject, ESPECIALLY if you didn't know about the 9/11 commission, so I refuse to do any research for you, all the questions I asked stem from factual issues or events.

notconspiracy

Why not adress our answers? You know, some of us have proven points. You can't expect seriousness on an Off-Topic board. Maybe you should buy a baggy coat and pour some urine on yourslef and say this in the middle of Time Square. I'm sure people would listen to you then.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

bombs? people *heard* explosions. remember! explosion =/= bomb

also, no one saw any bombs, and if there were bombs, they would have been easily seen.

LukeAF24

Come on now. Be realistic. It's perfectly plausible that 100 men in ski masks snuck into both towers for nights on end, unseen, and planted hundred of pounds of explosives. Then, snuck out, unseen (in NYC mind you), and drove home. That doesn't sound realistic to you?

i call out anyone who can answer all these questions, and i DOUBT any of you question dodgers will

How the hell did tower 7 fall?

how did George Bush brother happen to quit his job at WTC the DAY before it happened?

George Bush's brother stepped down in june 2000....

Why did FBI confinscate the pentagon tape? AND why won't they show it to the public just to shut us up?

WHY was congress suspicious enough to form a commission solely to INTERROGATE Bush and Cheney?

Why did these 2 only agree to the inquisition ONLY under their conditions such as specific questions and ONLY being questioned together?

SOMETHING fishy happening, and how does it work out so that invading Iraq is in Bush's mind, "justifiable" and then controlling resources, I respect any american loving patriot but please keep in mind, NONE OF YOU can give me an answer to EACH question so that leaves me to believe you may have some doubt deep within yourself.

-theCHUD-

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="DrCoCoPiMp"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

you twoofers are quite entertaining. seriously dude, just use occams razor and find out what really happened

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

I know that this topic has been brought up countless times everywhere, but it is brought up for a reason.DrCoCoPiMp

a bad reason at that

The following is simply an orientation, introducing the arguement, but not yet the idea.

The Two-Step 9/11 Truth Expedition

Understanding the full truth of 9/11 seems to require two separate awakenings. knowledge-funk

awakenings? you're kidding right?

The first, awakening to the fraudulence of the "official 9/11 story," is a pretty simple brain function and only requires a little study, logic or curiosity. We can help a lot with that part here and it's a major purpose of this site.knowledge-funk

that was an appeal to ridicule

The second step, however, consciously confronting the implications of that knowledge--and what it says about our media, politics and economic system today--is by far the harder awakening and requires an enormous exercise of nerve and heart. (As the Chinese say, "You cannot wake up a man who is pretending to sleep.") In other words, this part of the journey depends more on character than on maps and evidence so we can't help you much here, except to point out inspiring heroes and heroines who have courageously faced that truth, spoken out, and survived. (Though we might also point out the intriguing fact that our 9/11 heroines now outnumber 9/11 heroes by about six to one.) knowledge-funk

people promoting this conspiracy theory are not heroes in any sense of the word

The 911Truth.org Mission: Where we are going with this and where we are not

Although our members and friends in the truth movement hold a variety of opinions about what actually happened on September 11, 2001, 911truth.org as an organization generally believes that our chance for justice is now best served by focusing on the following five points:

The frequently warned of 9/11 attacks handed a lackluster presidency irresistible political power to increase inequality, repression, corporate domination, and imperial warfare (and even boost its electoral clout); knowledge-funk

there was no warning of an attack taking place on 9/11/01 in New York City.

Since this administration benefited so mightily from these crimes, a reasonable person (or investigation) might find it prudent to at least question its possible complicity. knowledge-funk

im sorry, but how has the administration benefitted from 9/11? the approval rating has plummeted since the invasion of Iraq

Even the minimalist LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) complicity scenario constitutes high treason--i.e., the supposition that high officials knew a blowback attack was coming, understood the incredible poltical power it might confer, and preemptively disabled the few working parts of government that might have been able to thwart its success (by ignoring foreign warnings, quashing domestic investigations, cancelling Counterterrorism Task Force meetings, rewriting air emergency response protocols, staging distracting aerial war games, etc.) knowledge-funk

good things its complete BS. there isn't a shred of evidence that this happened

There is now more than enough compelling evidence of just such official misconduct, foul play, perjury and obstruction of justice to constitute probable cause for a full criminal investigation of all 9/11 events;knowledge-funk

what evidence? i'd love to see it

Despite continuing avoidance of this issue by our Congress, major parties and corporate press, there is widespread public support for this perception and course of action (as demonstrated by the August 2004 Zogby 9/11 Poll);

If we as a people refuse to demand truth and justice on a matter this grave, we will deserve our leaders' contempt and embolden them to further treachery. (They and their predecessors have, after all, gotten away with the now documented lies of the Tonkin Resolution, the JFK and MLK assassinations, Iran-Contra, Flight 800, the Waco Davidian murders, the Pentagon's "missing" $2.2 trillion, etc, etc. without consequence. Why should they start worrying about what the "sovereign people" think now?) We have to stand up and draw the line somewhere or we can kiss our hopes for security, solvency and democracy goodbye. knowledge-funk

the 2.2 trillion was lost to a faulty accounting system. The Tonkin Gulf incident (the first attack anyway) did actually happen. the 2nd attack may have been staged

Wildlife to be Avoided

There are a good number of irrational and unsupportable 9/11 theories and theorists "out there" that have been used to great effect to discredit 9/11 truth advocates as whole (Check out Rule 4 in "The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation" to grasp the tactic and then watch it in action in Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear). We are therefore also concerned about these spurious plot lines and how they are exploited, and we criticize many on our site. Every large and growing movement picks up a few noisy dunces or provocateurs in the margins, but they do not in any way invalidate the well researched evidence at its core. We only pray that those drawn to the 9/11 issue by sensationalist claims will stay long enough to learn the less theatrical but equally damning truth.

The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556

Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050208093000680

knowledge-funk

here's my take on 9/11

Al-Qaeda was really pissed off at America for the state of moral decay and our support of Israel in the Arab-Israeli conflict. In an attempt to scare us into submission, they hijacked 4 commercial aircraft and flew them into the WTC and the Pentagon. Due to the fire and the immense kinetic energy put onto the towers, the towers collapsed soonafter

wtf kinetic energy people heard the sound of bombs when the towers collapsed, and the way they fell can only be like this cuz of bombs inside. This is the perfect set-up, nothing else, and it worked perfectly. anywayz, everyone has the right to an opinion

also, no one saw any bombs, and if there were bombs, they would have been easily seen.

nobody saw that ****ing plane trhough the pentagon so get a life

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="DrCoCoPiMp"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

you twoofers are quite entertaining. seriously dude, just use occams razor and find out what really happened

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

I know that this topic has been brought up countless times everywhere, but it is brought up for a reason.DrCoCoPiMp

a bad reason at that

The following is simply an orientation, introducing the arguement, but not yet the idea.

The Two-Step 9/11 Truth Expedition

Understanding the full truth of 9/11 seems to require two separate awakenings. knowledge-funk

awakenings? you're kidding right?

The first, awakening to the fraudulence of the "official 9/11 story," is a pretty simple brain function and only requires a little study, logic or curiosity. We can help a lot with that part here and it's a major purpose of this site.knowledge-funk

that was an appeal to ridicule

The second step, however, consciously confronting the implications of that knowledge--and what it says about our media, politics and economic system today--is by far the harder awakening and requires an enormous exercise of nerve and heart. (As the Chinese say, "You cannot wake up a man who is pretending to sleep.") In other words, this part of the journey depends more on character than on maps and evidence so we can't help you much here, except to point out inspiring heroes and heroines who have courageously faced that truth, spoken out, and survived. (Though we might also point out the intriguing fact that our 9/11 heroines now outnumber 9/11 heroes by about six to one.) knowledge-funk

people promoting this conspiracy theory are not heroes in any sense of the word

The 911Truth.org Mission: Where we are going with this and where we are not

Although our members and friends in the truth movement hold a variety of opinions about what actually happened on September 11, 2001, 911truth.org as an organization generally believes that our chance for justice is now best served by focusing on the following five points:

The frequently warned of 9/11 attacks handed a lackluster presidency irresistible political power to increase inequality, repression, corporate domination, and imperial warfare (and even boost its electoral clout); knowledge-funk

there was no warning of an attack taking place on 9/11/01 in New York City.

Since this administration benefited so mightily from these crimes, a reasonable person (or investigation) might find it prudent to at least question its possible complicity. knowledge-funk

im sorry, but how has the administration benefitted from 9/11? the approval rating has plummeted since the invasion of Iraq

Even the minimalist LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) complicity scenario constitutes high treason--i.e., the supposition that high officials knew a blowback attack was coming, understood the incredible poltical power it might confer, and preemptively disabled the few working parts of government that might have been able to thwart its success (by ignoring foreign warnings, quashing domestic investigations, cancelling Counterterrorism Task Force meetings, rewriting air emergency response protocols, staging distracting aerial war games, etc.) knowledge-funk

good things its complete BS. there isn't a shred of evidence that this happened

There is now more than enough compelling evidence of just such official misconduct, foul play, perjury and obstruction of justice to constitute probable cause for a full criminal investigation of all 9/11 events;knowledge-funk

what evidence? i'd love to see it

Despite continuing avoidance of this issue by our Congress, major parties and corporate press, there is widespread public support for this perception and course of action (as demonstrated by the August 2004 Zogby 9/11 Poll);

If we as a people refuse to demand truth and justice on a matter this grave, we will deserve our leaders' contempt and embolden them to further treachery. (They and their predecessors have, after all, gotten away with the now documented lies of the Tonkin Resolution, the JFK and MLK assassinations, Iran-Contra, Flight 800, the Waco Davidian murders, the Pentagon's "missing" $2.2 trillion, etc, etc. without consequence. Why should they start worrying about what the "sovereign people" think now?) We have to stand up and draw the line somewhere or we can kiss our hopes for security, solvency and democracy goodbye. knowledge-funk

the 2.2 trillion was lost to a faulty accounting system. The Tonkin Gulf incident (the first attack anyway) did actually happen. the 2nd attack may have been staged

Wildlife to be Avoided

There are a good number of irrational and unsupportable 9/11 theories and theorists "out there" that have been used to great effect to discredit 9/11 truth advocates as whole (Check out Rule 4 in "The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation" to grasp the tactic and then watch it in action in Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear). We are therefore also concerned about these spurious plot lines and how they are exploited, and we criticize many on our site. Every large and growing movement picks up a few noisy dunces or provocateurs in the margins, but they do not in any way invalidate the well researched evidence at its core. We only pray that those drawn to the 9/11 issue by sensationalist claims will stay long enough to learn the less theatrical but equally damning truth.

The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556

Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050208093000680

knowledge-funk

here's my take on 9/11

Al-Qaeda was really pissed off at America for the state of moral decay and our support of Israel in the Arab-Israeli conflict. In an attempt to scare us into submission, they hijacked 4 commercial aircraft and flew them into the WTC and the Pentagon. Due to the fire and the immense kinetic energy put onto the towers, the towers collapsed soonafter

wtf kinetic energy people heard the sound of bombs when the towers collapsed, and the way they fell can only be like this cuz of bombs inside. This is the perfect set-up, nothing else, and it worked perfectly. anywayz, everyone has the right to an opinion

also, no one saw any bombs, and if there were bombs, they would have been easily seen.

nobody saw that ****ing plane trhough the pentagon so get a life

Okay, you just owned youself.

(1) You were talking about the Twin Towers

(2) You just said no one saw that plane, so maybe people are entitled to their own opinion.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

bombs? people *heard* explosions. remember! explosion =/= bomb

also, no one saw any bombs, and if there were bombs, they would have been easily seen.

LukeAF24

Come on now. Be realistic. It's perfectly plausible that 100 men in ski masks snuck into both towers for nights on end, unseen, and planted hundred of pounds of explosives. Then, snuck out, unseen (in NYC mind you), and drove home. That doesn't sound realistic to you?

Clearly, they used some kind of weird transporter using "quantam energy" or some such, (Hint: I hear you can sound really cool to science professors and dudes by saying Quantam. It also gets the ladies!) to magically transport a small army of elite construction workers and demolitions experts into the buildings and load them to the brim with strategically placed demolition charges!

what points? so i didn't have sources, doesn't mean that a 9/11 commission wasn't formed, if I put 2+2= 4 are you gonna ask for a source to be sure?

fact is I asked legitimate questions and if you don't believe me than nothing is stopping you from doing your own research besides laziness or ignorance. if you have the will to pwn me by debunking any of my questions as rumors or whatever, then all you have to do is google it.

I'll be back on later.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="DrCoCoPiMp"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

you twoofers are quite entertaining. seriously dude, just use occams razor and find out what really happened

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

I know that this topic has been brought up countless times everywhere, but it is brought up for a reason.DrCoCoPiMp

a bad reason at that

The following is simply an orientation, introducing the arguement, but not yet the idea.

The Two-Step 9/11 Truth Expedition

Understanding the full truth of 9/11 seems to require two separate awakenings. knowledge-funk

awakenings? you're kidding right?

The first, awakening to the fraudulence of the "official 9/11 story," is a pretty simple brain function and only requires a little study, logic or curiosity. We can help a lot with that part here and it's a major purpose of this site.knowledge-funk

that was an appeal to ridicule

The second step, however, consciously confronting the implications of that knowledge--and what it says about our media, politics and economic system today--is by far the harder awakening and requires an enormous exercise of nerve and heart. (As the Chinese say, "You cannot wake up a man who is pretending to sleep.") In other words, this part of the journey depends more on character than on maps and evidence so we can't help you much here, except to point out inspiring heroes and heroines who have courageously faced that truth, spoken out, and survived. (Though we might also point out the intriguing fact that our 9/11 heroines now outnumber 9/11 heroes by about six to one.) knowledge-funk

people promoting this conspiracy theory are not heroes in any sense of the word

The 911Truth.org Mission: Where we are going with this and where we are not

Although our members and friends in the truth movement hold a variety of opinions about what actually happened on September 11, 2001, 911truth.org as an organization generally believes that our chance for justice is now best served by focusing on the following five points:

The frequently warned of 9/11 attacks handed a lackluster presidency irresistible political power to increase inequality, repression, corporate domination, and imperial warfare (and even boost its electoral clout); knowledge-funk

there was no warning of an attack taking place on 9/11/01 in New York City.

Since this administration benefited so mightily from these crimes, a reasonable person (or investigation) might find it prudent to at least question its possible complicity. knowledge-funk

im sorry, but how has the administration benefitted from 9/11? the approval rating has plummeted since the invasion of Iraq

Even the minimalist LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) complicity scenario constitutes high treason--i.e., the supposition that high officials knew a blowback attack was coming, understood the incredible poltical power it might confer, and preemptively disabled the few working parts of government that might have been able to thwart its success (by ignoring foreign warnings, quashing domestic investigations, cancelling Counterterrorism Task Force meetings, rewriting air emergency response protocols, staging distracting aerial war games, etc.) knowledge-funk

good things its complete BS. there isn't a shred of evidence that this happened

There is now more than enough compelling evidence of just such official misconduct, foul play, perjury and obstruction of justice to constitute probable cause for a full criminal investigation of all 9/11 events;knowledge-funk

what evidence? i'd love to see it

Despite continuing avoidance of this issue by our Congress, major parties and corporate press, there is widespread public support for this perception and course of action (as demonstrated by the August 2004 Zogby 9/11 Poll);

If we as a people refuse to demand truth and justice on a matter this grave, we will deserve our leaders' contempt and embolden them to further treachery. (They and their predecessors have, after all, gotten away with the now documented lies of the Tonkin Resolution, the JFK and MLK assassinations, Iran-Contra, Flight 800, the Waco Davidian murders, the Pentagon's "missing" $2.2 trillion, etc, etc. without consequence. Why should they start worrying about what the "sovereign people" think now?) We have to stand up and draw the line somewhere or we can kiss our hopes for security, solvency and democracy goodbye. knowledge-funk

the 2.2 trillion was lost to a faulty accounting system. The Tonkin Gulf incident (the first attack anyway) did actually happen. the 2nd attack may have been staged

Wildlife to be Avoided

There are a good number of irrational and unsupportable 9/11 theories and theorists "out there" that have been used to great effect to discredit 9/11 truth advocates as whole (Check out Rule 4 in "The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation" to grasp the tactic and then watch it in action in Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear). We are therefore also concerned about these spurious plot lines and how they are exploited, and we criticize many on our site. Every large and growing movement picks up a few noisy dunces or provocateurs in the margins, but they do not in any way invalidate the well researched evidence at its core. We only pray that those drawn to the 9/11 issue by sensationalist claims will stay long enough to learn the less theatrical but equally damning truth.

The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556

Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050208093000680

knowledge-funk

here's my take on 9/11

Al-Qaeda was really pissed off at America for the state of moral decay and our support of Israel in the Arab-Israeli conflict. In an attempt to scare us into submission, they hijacked 4 commercial aircraft and flew them into the WTC and the Pentagon. Due to the fire and the immense kinetic energy put onto the towers, the towers collapsed soonafter

wtf kinetic energy people heard the sound of bombs when the towers collapsed, and the way they fell can only be like this cuz of bombs inside. This is the perfect set-up, nothing else, and it worked perfectly. anywayz, everyone has the right to an opinion

also, no one saw any bombs, and if there were bombs, they would have been easily seen.

nobody saw that ****ing plane trhough the pentagon so get a life

What are you talking about? there were hundreds of eyewitnesses.

[QUOTE="DrCoCoPiMp"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="DrCoCoPiMp"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

you twoofers are quite entertaining. seriously dude, just use occams razor and find out what really happened

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

I know that this topic has been brought up countless times everywhere, but it is brought up for a reason.jaydough

a bad reason at that

The following is simply an orientation, introducing the arguement, but not yet the idea.

The Two-Step 9/11 Truth Expedition

Understanding the full truth of 9/11 seems to require two separate awakenings. knowledge-funk

awakenings? you're kidding right?

The first, awakening to the fraudulence of the "official 9/11 story," is a pretty simple brain function and only requires a little study, logic or curiosity. We can help a lot with that part here and it's a major purpose of this site.knowledge-funk

that was an appeal to ridicule

The second step, however, consciously confronting the implications of that knowledge--and what it says about our media, politics and economic system today--is by far the harder awakening and requires an enormous exercise of nerve and heart. (As the Chinese say, "You cannot wake up a man who is pretending to sleep.") In other words, this part of the journey depends more on character than on maps and evidence so we can't help you much here, except to point out inspiring heroes and heroines who have courageously faced that truth, spoken out, and survived. (Though we might also point out the intriguing fact that our 9/11 heroines now outnumber 9/11 heroes by about six to one.) knowledge-funk

people promoting this conspiracy theory are not heroes in any sense of the word

The 911Truth.org Mission: Where we are going with this and where we are not

Although our members and friends in the truth movement hold a variety of opinions about what actually happened on September 11, 2001, 911truth.org as an organization generally believes that our chance for justice is now best served by focusing on the following five points:

The frequently warned of 9/11 attacks handed a lackluster presidency irresistible political power to increase inequality, repression, corporate domination, and imperial warfare (and even boost its electoral clout); knowledge-funk

there was no warning of an attack taking place on 9/11/01 in New York City.

Since this administration benefited so mightily from these crimes, a reasonable person (or investigation) might find it prudent to at least question its possible complicity. knowledge-funk

im sorry, but how has the administration benefitted from 9/11? the approval rating has plummeted since the invasion of Iraq

Even the minimalist LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) complicity scenario constitutes high treason--i.e., the supposition that high officials knew a blowback attack was coming, understood the incredible poltical power it might confer, and preemptively disabled the few working parts of government that might have been able to thwart its success (by ignoring foreign warnings, quashing domestic investigations, cancelling Counterterrorism Task Force meetings, rewriting air emergency response protocols, staging distracting aerial war games, etc.) knowledge-funk

good things its complete BS. there isn't a shred of evidence that this happened

There is now more than enough compelling evidence of just such official misconduct, foul play, perjury and obstruction of justice to constitute probable cause for a full criminal investigation of all 9/11 events;knowledge-funk

what evidence? i'd love to see it

Despite continuing avoidance of this issue by our Congress, major parties and corporate press, there is widespread public support for this perception and course of action (as demonstrated by the August 2004 Zogby 9/11 Poll);

If we as a people refuse to demand truth and justice on a matter this grave, we will deserve our leaders' contempt and embolden them to further treachery. (They and their predecessors have, after all, gotten away with the now documented lies of the Tonkin Resolution, the JFK and MLK assassinations, Iran-Contra, Flight 800, the Waco Davidian murders, the Pentagon's "missing" $2.2 trillion, etc, etc. without consequence. Why should they start worrying about what the "sovereign people" think now?) We have to stand up and draw the line somewhere or we can kiss our hopes for security, solvency and democracy goodbye. knowledge-funk

the 2.2 trillion was lost to a faulty accounting system. The Tonkin Gulf incident (the first attack anyway) did actually happen. the 2nd attack may have been staged

Wildlife to be Avoided

There are a good number of irrational and unsupportable 9/11 theories and theorists "out there" that have been used to great effect to discredit 9/11 truth advocates as whole (Check out Rule 4 in "The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation" to grasp the tactic and then watch it in action in Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear). We are therefore also concerned about these spurious plot lines and how they are exploited, and we criticize many on our site. Every large and growing movement picks up a few noisy dunces or provocateurs in the margins, but they do not in any way invalidate the well researched evidence at its core. We only pray that those drawn to the 9/11 issue by sensationalist claims will stay long enough to learn the less theatrical but equally damning truth.

The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556

Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050208093000680

knowledge-funk

here's my take on 9/11

Al-Qaeda was really pissed off at America for the state of moral decay and our support of Israel in the Arab-Israeli conflict. In an attempt to scare us into submission, they hijacked 4 commercial aircraft and flew them into the WTC and the Pentagon. Due to the fire and the immense kinetic energy put onto the towers, the towers collapsed soonafter

wtf kinetic energy people heard the sound of bombs when the towers collapsed, and the way they fell can only be like this cuz of bombs inside. This is the perfect set-up, nothing else, and it worked perfectly. anywayz, everyone has the right to an opinion

also, no one saw any bombs, and if there were bombs, they would have been easily seen.

nobody saw that ****ing plane trhough the pentagon so get a life

I'm pretty sure Cocopimp is being sarcastic. I sure hope so anyway. :lol:

A plane hit a building and then another hit the building next to it. They fell down and many people died. The end.Film-Guy

what points? so i didn't have sources, doesn't mean that a 9/11 commission wasn't formed, if I put 2+2= 4 are you gonna ask for a source to be sure? 2 plus 2 equaling 4? I'm going to have to ask you to provide a link. :o

fact is I asked legitimate questions and if you don't believe me than nothing is stopping you from doing your own research besides laziness or ignorance. if you have the will to pwn me by debunking any of my questions as rumors or whatever We did, but you're to ignorant to listen. Yes, that's right, I called you ignorant. :roll: , then all you have to do is google it.

I'll be back on later.

-theCHUD-

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="DrCoCoPiMp"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

you twoofers are quite entertaining. seriously dude, just use occams razor and find out what really happened

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

I know that this topic has been brought up countless times everywhere, but it is brought up for a reason.DrCoCoPiMp

a bad reason at that

The following is simply an orientation, introducing the arguement, but not yet the idea.

The Two-Step 9/11 Truth Expedition

Understanding the full truth of 9/11 seems to require two separate awakenings. knowledge-funk

awakenings? you're kidding right?

The first, awakening to the fraudulence of the "official 9/11 story," is a pretty simple brain function and only requires a little study, logic or curiosity. We can help a lot with that part here and it's a major purpose of this site.knowledge-funk

that was an appeal to ridicule

The second step, however, consciously confronting the implications of that knowledge--and what it says about our media, politics and economic system today--is by far the harder awakening and requires an enormous exercise of nerve and heart. (As the Chinese say, "You cannot wake up a man who is pretending to sleep.") In other words, this part of the journey depends more on character than on maps and evidence so we can't help you much here, except to point out inspiring heroes and heroines who have courageously faced that truth, spoken out, and survived. (Though we might also point out the intriguing fact that our 9/11 heroines now outnumber 9/11 heroes by about six to one.) knowledge-funk

people promoting this conspiracy theory are not heroes in any sense of the word

The 911Truth.org Mission: Where we are going with this and where we are not

Although our members and friends in the truth movement hold a variety of opinions about what actually happened on September 11, 2001, 911truth.org as an organization generally believes that our chance for justice is now best served by focusing on the following five points:

The frequently warned of 9/11 attacks handed a lackluster presidency irresistible political power to increase inequality, repression, corporate domination, and imperial warfare (and even boost its electoral clout); knowledge-funk

there was no warning of an attack taking place on 9/11/01 in New York City.

Since this administration benefited so mightily from these crimes, a reasonable person (or investigation) might find it prudent to at least question its possible complicity. knowledge-funk

im sorry, but how has the administration benefitted from 9/11? the approval rating has plummeted since the invasion of Iraq

Even the minimalist LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) complicity scenario constitutes high treason--i.e., the supposition that high officials knew a blowback attack was coming, understood the incredible poltical power it might confer, and preemptively disabled the few working parts of government that might have been able to thwart its success (by ignoring foreign warnings, quashing domestic investigations, cancelling Counterterrorism Task Force meetings, rewriting air emergency response protocols, staging distracting aerial war games, etc.) knowledge-funk

good things its complete BS. there isn't a shred of evidence that this happened

There is now more than enough compelling evidence of just such official misconduct, foul play, perjury and obstruction of justice to constitute probable cause for a full criminal investigation of all 9/11 events;knowledge-funk

what evidence? i'd love to see it

Despite continuing avoidance of this issue by our Congress, major parties and corporate press, there is widespread public support for this perception and course of action (as demonstrated by the August 2004 Zogby 9/11 Poll);

If we as a people refuse to demand truth and justice on a matter this grave, we will deserve our leaders' contempt and embolden them to further treachery. (They and their predecessors have, after all, gotten away with the now documented lies of the Tonkin Resolution, the JFK and MLK assassinations, Iran-Contra, Flight 800, the Waco Davidian murders, the Pentagon's "missing" $2.2 trillion, etc, etc. without consequence. Why should they start worrying about what the "sovereign people" think now?) We have to stand up and draw the line somewhere or we can kiss our hopes for security, solvency and democracy goodbye. knowledge-funk

the 2.2 trillion was lost to a faulty accounting system. The Tonkin Gulf incident (the first attack anyway) did actually happen. the 2nd attack may have been staged

Wildlife to be Avoided

There are a good number of irrational and unsupportable 9/11 theories and theorists "out there" that have been used to great effect to discredit 9/11 truth advocates as whole (Check out Rule 4 in "The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation" to grasp the tactic and then watch it in action in Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear). We are therefore also concerned about these spurious plot lines and how they are exploited, and we criticize many on our site. Every large and growing movement picks up a few noisy dunces or provocateurs in the margins, but they do not in any way invalidate the well researched evidence at its core. We only pray that those drawn to the 9/11 issue by sensationalist claims will stay long enough to learn the less theatrical but equally damning truth.

The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556

Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050208093000680

knowledge-funk

here's my take on 9/11

Al-Qaeda was really pissed off at America for the state of moral decay and our support of Israel in the Arab-Israeli conflict. In an attempt to scare us into submission, they hijacked 4 commercial aircraft and flew them into the WTC and the Pentagon. Due to the fire and the immense kinetic energy put onto the towers, the towers collapsed soonafter

wtf kinetic energy people heard the sound of bombs when the towers collapsed, and the way they fell can only be like this cuz of bombs inside. This is the perfect set-up, nothing else, and it worked perfectly. anywayz, everyone has the right to an opinion

also, no one saw any bombs, and if there were bombs, they would have been easily seen.

nobody saw that ****ing plane trhough the pentagon so get a life

everyone's lives changed. emo music was born. the end. /spam thread

I really shouldn't be giggling... And not to call this an ignorable time in history but.... If, for whatever crazy reason that may use magical quantum wizards and special bombs of doom, the 'Truth' really was true.... What good would it do Now? As in. It was found out this moment and what not? A few arrests. Some trials. What then? What's next?

You know, i miss the days when conspiracy theories were the territory of lazy nerdlings with too much time on their hands and no prom date. These days things like the 9/11 conspiracy are actually designed to be "user friendly" or some such so anyone can trumpet the claims. At least with idiocy like the JFK conspiracy and the blatently racist Pearl Harbor stuff, you had to a slight idea of what you were talking about. CaptHawkeye

Yeah. Maybe we should get an internment camp of anyone that can pronounce anything Middle Eastern, and then release bears on them.

You know, i miss the days when conspiracy theories were the territory of lazy nerdlings with too much time on their hands and no prom date. These days things like the 9/11 conspiracy are actually designed to be "user friendly" or some such so anyone can trumpet the claims. At least with idiocy like the JFK conspiracy and the blatently racist Pearl Harbor stuff, you had to have a slight idea of what you were talking about. Even if it was totally nonsensical and dumb. :lol:CaptHawkeye

The anonymity of the internet is a wonderful thing. Especially, with Google at your fingertips.

A plane hit a building and then another hit the building next to it. They fell down and many people died. The end.Film-Guy

What he said, and they were flown by nutjobs from mostly Saudi Arabia.

A plane hit a building and then another hit the building next to it. They fell down and many people died. The end.Film-Guy

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]A plane hit a building and then another hit the building next to it. They fell down and many people died. The end.ufopuller

Awesome. So what college did you get your degree in engineering from? I feel like getting a "Vegas Style" edumaction ma'self!

i thought we decided to do this to conspiracy theorists

we must stand strong and uphold our OT morals.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]A plane hit a building and then another hit the building next to it. They fell down and many people died. The end.ufopuller

The towers were made of Soviet boats? Amazing! Seriously though, thanks for clearing that all up. I mean, the whole "period!!!" example put it all in perspective for me.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]A plane hit a building and then another hit the building next to it. They fell down and many people died. The end.ufopuller

dammit:x a facepalm is not enough to express my disgust at your ignorance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ

did the twin towers collapse ANYTHING like that?

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]A plane hit a building and then another hit the building next to it. They fell down and many people died. The end.ufopuller

Buildings steel beams aren't meant to have thousands of pounds of burning jet fuel in them, When you have a house made of playing cards that is thin they tend to fall straight down. PERIOD. I hate Bush, but I refuse to believe the government had anything at all to do with this.

:o He said he'll be leaving, and then shortly afterwards, he left! He must have been kidnapped by the goverment! :o jaydough

Jaydough , let the thread die.

- Gan(which I just bumped up , but you get my point)

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]A plane hit a building and then another hit the building next to it. They fell down and many people died. The end.ufopuller

please tell: how many tall buildings have YOU seen destroyed by terrorist attacks using airplanes? 9/11 is the only one? then shut up and stop reitterating nonsense. unless you've seen this happen before, you cant conclude that it wouldnt fall like that...not that any of it matters now...the damage is done...and bush is leaving office after 8 years of torture

I farted. Someone lit a match.

My bad.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

bombs? people *heard* explosions. remember! explosion =/= bomb

also, no one saw any bombs, and if there were bombs, they would have been easily seen.

LukeAF24

Come on now. Be realistic. It's perfectly plausible that 100 men in ski masks snuck into both towers for nights on end, unseen, and planted hundred of pounds of explosives. Then, snuck out, unseen (in NYC mind you), and drove home. That doesn't sound realistic to you?

The people who worked there were the ones who hauled up the explosives and planted them at crucial structural points. They were told they were Christmas presents, and they could open them a few months early on 9/11.

[QUOTE="LukeAF24"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

bombs? people *heard* explosions. remember! explosion =/= bomb

also, no one saw any bombs, and if there were bombs, they would have been easily seen.

Rekunta

Come on now. Be realistic. It's perfectly plausible that 100 men in ski masks snuck into both towers for nights on end, unseen, and planted hundred of pounds of explosives. Then, snuck out, unseen (in NYC mind you), and drove home. That doesn't sound realistic to you?

The people who worked there were the ones who hauled up the explosives and planted them at crucial structural points. They were told they were Christmas presents, and they could open them a few months early on 9/11.

I know that this topic has been brought up countless times everywhere, but it is brought up for a reason.

The following is simply an orientation, introducing the arguement, but not yet the idea.

The Two-Step 9/11 Truth Expedition

Understanding the full truth of 9/11 seems to require two separate awakenings.

The first, awakening to the fraudulence of the "official 9/11 story," is a pretty simple brain function and only requires a little study, logic or curiosity. We can help a lot with that part here and it's a major purpose of this site.

The second step, however, consciously confronting the implications of that knowledge--and what it says about our media, politics and economic system today--is by far the harder awakening and requires an enormous exercise of nerve and heart. (As the Chinese say, "You cannot wake up a man who is pretending to sleep.") In other words, this part of the journey depends more on character than on maps and evidence so we can't help you much here, except to point out inspiring heroes and heroines who have courageously faced that truth, spoken out, and survived. (Though we might also point out the intriguing fact that our 9/11 heroines now outnumber 9/11 heroes by about six to one.)

The 911Truth.org Mission: Where we are going with this and where we are not

Although our members and friends in the truth movement hold a variety of opinions about what actually happened on September 11, 2001, 911truth.org as an organization generally believes that our chance for justice is now best served by focusing on the following five points:

The frequently warned of 9/11 attacks handed a lackluster presidency irresistible political power to increase inequality, repression, corporate domination, and imperial warfare (and even boost its electoral clout);

Since this administration benefited so mightily from these crimes, a reasonable person (or investigation) might find it prudent to at least question its possible complicity. Even the minimalist LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) complicity scenario constitutes high treason--i.e., the supposition that high officials knew a blowback attack was coming, understood the incredible poltical power it might confer, and preemptively disabled the few working parts of government that might have been able to thwart its success (by ignoring foreign warnings, quashing domestic investigations, cancelling Counterterrorism Task Force meetings, rewriting air emergency response protocols, staging distracting aerial war games, etc.)

There is now more than enough compelling evidence of just such official misconduct, foul play, perjury and obstruction of justice to constitute probable cause for a full criminal investigation of all 9/11 events;

Despite continuing avoidance of this issue by our Congress, major parties and corporate press, there is widespread public support for this perception and course of action (as demonstrated by the August 2004 Zogby 9/11 Poll);

If we as a people refuse to demand truth and justice on a matter this grave, we will deserve our leaders' contempt and embolden them to further treachery. (They and their predecessors have, after all, gotten away with the now documented lies of the Tonkin Resolution, the JFK and MLK assassinations, Iran-Contra, Flight 800, the Waco Davidian murders, the Pentagon's "missing" $2.2 trillion, etc, etc. without consequence. Why should they start worrying about what the "sovereign people" think now?) We have to stand up and draw the line somewhere or we can kiss our hopes for security, solvency and democracy goodbye.

Wildlife to be Avoided

There are a good number of irrational and unsupportable 9/11 theories and theorists "out there" that have been used to great effect to discredit 9/11 truth advocates as whole (Check out Rule 4 in "The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation" to grasp the tactic and then watch it in action in Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear). We are therefore also concerned about these spurious plot lines and how they are exploited, and we criticize many on our site. Every large and growing movement picks up a few noisy dunces or provocateurs in the margins, but they do not in any way invalidate the well researched evidence at its core. We only pray that those drawn to the 9/11 issue by sensationalist claims will stay long enough to learn the less theatrical but equally damning truth.

The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556

Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050208093000680

knowledge-funk

* looks at rank and post counts then looks back at topic and the first post *

I'm starting to see a trend here. You sir are a failure of epic preportions.

I really don't understand you all. All your claims seem to be fully from movies such as loose change. That is not the full truth. If you acually believe the government's conspiracy for 9/11, you must be foolish. Please, research this yourself, because most of you seem to want to mock me and immeditely debunk me.

What is the rush? What are you all ashamed of? Do you acually believe that the government would never do this to you? Common people. Open you eyes. Learn to question what is given to you. Cnn, fox tv, and all you watch is runned be a corporation in which is corrupt.

Just simply research this, because it seems that all of you are the sheep of the government.

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

I know that this topic has been brought up countless times everywhere, but it is brought up for a reason.

The following is simply an orientation, introducing the arguement, but not yet the idea.

The Two-Step 9/11 Truth Expedition

Understanding the full truth of 9/11 seems to require two separate awakenings.

The first, awakening to the fraudulence of the "official 9/11 story," is a pretty simple brain function and only requires a little study, logic or curiosity. We can help a lot with that part here and it's a major purpose of this site.

The second step, however, consciously confronting the implications of that knowledge--and what it says about our media, politics and economic system today--is by far the harder awakening and requires an enormous exercise of nerve and heart. (As the Chinese say, "You cannot wake up a man who is pretending to sleep.") In other words, this part of the journey depends more on character than on maps and evidence so we can't help you much here, except to point out inspiring heroes and heroines who have courageously faced that truth, spoken out, and survived. (Though we might also point out the intriguing fact that our 9/11 heroines now outnumber 9/11 heroes by about six to one.)

The 911Truth.org Mission: Where we are going with this and where we are not

Although our members and friends in the truth movement hold a variety of opinions about what actually happened on September 11, 2001, 911truth.org as an organization generally believes that our chance for justice is now best served by focusing on the following five points:

The frequently warned of 9/11 attacks handed a lackluster presidency irresistible political power to increase inequality, repression, corporate domination, and imperial warfare (and even boost its electoral clout);

Since this administration benefited so mightily from these crimes, a reasonable person (or investigation) might find it prudent to at least question its possible complicity. Even the minimalist LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) complicity scenario constitutes high treason--i.e., the supposition that high officials knew a blowback attack was coming, understood the incredible poltical power it might confer, and preemptively disabled the few working parts of government that might have been able to thwart its success (by ignoring foreign warnings, quashing domestic investigations, cancelling Counterterrorism Task Force meetings, rewriting air emergency response protocols, staging distracting aerial war games, etc.)

There is now more than enough compelling evidence of just such official misconduct, foul play, perjury and obstruction of justice to constitute probable cause for a full criminal investigation of all 9/11 events;

Despite continuing avoidance of this issue by our Congress, major parties and corporate press, there is widespread public support for this perception and course of action (as demonstrated by the August 2004 Zogby 9/11 Poll);

If we as a people refuse to demand truth and justice on a matter this grave, we will deserve our leaders' contempt and embolden them to further treachery. (They and their predecessors have, after all, gotten away with the now documented lies of the Tonkin Resolution, the JFK and MLK assassinations, Iran-Contra, Flight 800, the Waco Davidian murders, the Pentagon's "missing" $2.2 trillion, etc, etc. without consequence. Why should they start worrying about what the "sovereign people" think now?) We have to stand up and draw the line somewhere or we can kiss our hopes for security, solvency and democracy goodbye.

Wildlife to be Avoided

There are a good number of irrational and unsupportable 9/11 theories and theorists "out there" that have been used to great effect to discredit 9/11 truth advocates as whole (Check out Rule 4 in "The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation" to grasp the tactic and then watch it in action in Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear). We are therefore also concerned about these spurious plot lines and how they are exploited, and we criticize many on our site. Every large and growing movement picks up a few noisy dunces or provocateurs in the margins, but they do not in any way invalidate the well researched evidence at its core. We only pray that those drawn to the 9/11 issue by sensationalist claims will stay long enough to learn the less theatrical but equally damning truth.

The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556

Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050208093000680

MissRiotmaker

* looks at rank and post counts then looks back at topic and the first post *

I'm starting to see a trend here. You sir are a failure of epic preportions.

I love your logic, you must be brilliant.

I really don't understand you all. All your claims seem to be fully from movies such as loose change. That is not the full truth. If you acually believe the government's conspiracy for 9/11, you must be foolish. Please, research this yourself, because most of you seem to want to mock me and immeditely debunk me.

What is the rush? What are you all ashamed of? Do you acually believe that the government would never do this to you? Common people. Open you eyes. Learn to question what is given to you. Cnn, fox tv, and all you watch is runned be a corporation in which is corrupt.

Just simply research this, because it seems that all of you are the sheep of the government.

knowledge-funk

I have researched it. Did not come to the conclusion that it was a conspiracy.

I really don't understand you all. All your claims seem to be fully from movies such as loose change. That is not the full truth. If you acually believe the government's conspiracy for 9/11, you must be foolish. Please, research this yourself, because most of you seem to want to mock me and immeditely debunk me.

What is the rush? What are you all ashamed of? Do you acually believe that the government would never do this to you? Common people. Open you eyes. Learn to question what is given to you. Cnn, fox tv, and all you watch is runned be a corporation in which is corrupt.

Just simply research this, because it seems that all of you are the sheep of the government.

knowledge-funk

Ummm.....those two sentences contradict each other.

As to X-mas presents, no I wasn't serious.

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

I really don't understand you all. All your claims seem to be fully from movies such as loose change. That is not the full truth. If you acually believe the government's conspiracy for 9/11, you must be foolish. Please, research this yourself, because most of you seem to want to mock me and immeditely debunk me.

What is the rush? What are you all ashamed of? Do you acually believe that the government would never do this to you? Common people. Open you eyes. Learn to question what is given to you. Cnn, fox tv, and all you watch is runned be a corporation in which is corrupt.

Just simply research this, because it seems that all of you are the sheep of the government.

Rekunta

Ummm.....those two sentences contradict each other.

As to X-mas presents, no I wasn't serious.

in the first one he is referring to the official story I think.

If you acually believe the government's conspiracy for 9/11, you must be foolish. knowledge-funk

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"] If you acually believe the government's conspiracy for 9/11, you must be foolish. jaydough

Whats so funny?

Conspiracy is defined as 2.an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conspiracy

[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

I really don't understand you all. All your claims seem to be fully from movies such as loose change. That is not the full truth. If you acually believe the government's conspiracy for 9/11, you must be foolish. Please, research this yourself, because most of you seem to want to mock me and immeditely debunk me.

What is the rush? What are you all ashamed of? Do you acually believe that the government would never do this to you? Common people. Open you eyes. Learn to question what is given to you. Cnn, fox tv, and all you watch is runned be a corporation in which is corrupt.

Just simply research this, because it seems that all of you are the sheep of the government.

pintabear49blue

I have researched it. Did not come to the conclusion that it was a conspiracy.

What was it then?

[QUOTE="pintabear49blue"][QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

I really don't understand you all. All your claims seem to be fully from movies such as loose change. That is not the full truth. If you acually believe the government's conspiracy for 9/11, you must be foolish. Please, research this yourself, because most of you seem to want to mock me and immeditely debunk me.

What is the rush? What are you all ashamed of? Do you acually believe that the government would never do this to you? Common people. Open you eyes. Learn to question what is given to you. Cnn, fox tv, and all you watch is runned be a corporation in which is corrupt.

Just simply research this, because it seems that all of you are the sheep of the government.

knowledge-funk

I have researched it. Did not come to the conclusion that it was a conspiracy.

What was it then?

[QUOTE="MissRiotmaker"][QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

I know that this topic has been brought up countless times everywhere, but it is brought up for a reason.

The following is simply an orientation, introducing the arguement, but not yet the idea.

The Two-Step 9/11 Truth Expedition

Understanding the full truth of 9/11 seems to require two separate awakenings.

The first, awakening to the fraudulence of the "official 9/11 story," is a pretty simple brain function and only requires a little study, logic or curiosity. We can help a lot with that part here and it's a major purpose of this site.

The second step, however, consciously confronting the implications of that knowledge--and what it says about our media, politics and economic system today--is by far the harder awakening and requires an enormous exercise of nerve and heart. (As the Chinese say, "You cannot wake up a man who is pretending to sleep.") In other words, this part of the journey depends more on character than on maps and evidence so we can't help you much here, except to point out inspiring heroes and heroines who have courageously faced that truth, spoken out, and survived. (Though we might also point out the intriguing fact that our 9/11 heroines now outnumber 9/11 heroes by about six to one.)

The 911Truth.org Mission: Where we are going with this and where we are not

Although our members and friends in the truth movement hold a variety of opinions about what actually happened on September 11, 2001, 911truth.org as an organization generally believes that our chance for justice is now best served by focusing on the following five points:

The frequently warned of 9/11 attacks handed a lackluster presidency irresistible political power to increase inequality, repression, corporate domination, and imperial warfare (and even boost its electoral clout);

Since this administration benefited so mightily from these crimes, a reasonable person (or investigation) might find it prudent to at least question its possible complicity. Even the minimalist LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) complicity scenario constitutes high treason--i.e., the supposition that high officials knew a blowback attack was coming, understood the incredible poltical power it might confer, and preemptively disabled the few working parts of government that might have been able to thwart its success (by ignoring foreign warnings, quashing domestic investigations, cancelling Counterterrorism Task Force meetings, rewriting air emergency response protocols, staging distracting aerial war games, etc.)

There is now more than enough compelling evidence of just such official misconduct, foul play, perjury and obstruction of justice to constitute probable cause for a full criminal investigation of all 9/11 events;

Despite continuing avoidance of this issue by our Congress, major parties and corporate press, there is widespread public support for this perception and course of action (as demonstrated by the August 2004 Zogby 9/11 Poll);

If we as a people refuse to demand truth and justice on a matter this grave, we will deserve our leaders' contempt and embolden them to further treachery. (They and their predecessors have, after all, gotten away with the now documented lies of the Tonkin Resolution, the JFK and MLK assassinations, Iran-Contra, Flight 800, the Waco Davidian murders, the Pentagon's "missing" $2.2 trillion, etc, etc. without consequence. Why should they start worrying about what the "sovereign people" think now?) We have to stand up and draw the line somewhere or we can kiss our hopes for security, solvency and democracy goodbye.

Wildlife to be Avoided

There are a good number of irrational and unsupportable 9/11 theories and theorists "out there" that have been used to great effect to discredit 9/11 truth advocates as whole (Check out Rule 4 in "The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation" to grasp the tactic and then watch it in action in Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear). We are therefore also concerned about these spurious plot lines and how they are exploited, and we criticize many on our site. Every large and growing movement picks up a few noisy dunces or provocateurs in the margins, but they do not in any way invalidate the well researched evidence at its core. We only pray that those drawn to the 9/11 issue by sensationalist claims will stay long enough to learn the less theatrical but equally damning truth.

The Twenty-five Rules of Disinformation http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556

Popular Mechanics' recent 9/11 smear http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050208093000680

knowledge-funk

* looks at rank and post counts then looks back at topic and the first post *

I'm starting to see a trend here. You sir are a failure of epic preportions.

I love your logic, you must be brilliant.

Aww why thank you. I'm just your average geek. :|

[QUOTE="jaydough"][QUOTE="knowledge-funk"] If you acually believe the government's conspiracy for 9/11, you must be foolish. knowledge-funk

Whats so funny?

Conspiracy is defined as 2.an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conspiracy