9/11; What really happened?

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#151 knowledge-funk
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I dont like bush anymore than the next guy but if you honestly think he would withold info and allow this to happen or cause it himself for political gain.... you really need a reality check.

There are some things that if looked upon from a certain angle look slightly suspect. This is sheer coincidence at best and at worst its just some idiot reading between the lines.

There was NO conspiracy. There never was. Period. All you X-files, "the truth is out there", doomsday followers need to wake up.

Alter_Echo

"All you X-files, "the truth is out there", doomsday followers need to wake up."

Don't really get that part :S

I had been viewing 9/11 from the govenments stance for 4 years man, and soonI relaized it didn't add up.

I do not know the real reason why 9/11 occured; but I however do know that the governments explantion for it is false.

I suggest that you study this. Truly, find artciles, reports, watch movies on it. Research this yourself and then make your claims.

It may be hard at first to think that your govrenemnt would ever do such a thing; but you must learn to view things from the other side. Study all theories of 9/11 carefully, and than comeback.

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#152 knowledge-funk
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For those of you who acually have interest of researching both sides, heres an article on prior knowledge of 911.

"
ADVANCE WARNINGS

The days and hours leading up to 9-11 were marked by a series of chilling warnings about impending terrorist plots involving hijacked commercial airplanes. It's worth mentioning at this point that months before 9-11, the US had already informed some of its allies of plans to go to war in Afghanistan. On June 26, 2001, News Insight/India Reacts, an Indian public affairs magazine, wrote:

"India and Iran will "facilitate" US and Russian plans for "limited military action" against the Taliban if the contemplated tough new economic sanctions don't bend Afghanistan's fundamentalist regime. Indian officials say that India and Iran will only play the role of "facilitator" while the US and Russia will combat the Taliban from the front with the help of two Central Asian countries, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, to push Taliban lines back to the 1998 position 50 km away from Mazar-e-Sharief city in northern Afghanistan. Military action will be the last option though it now seems scarcely avoidable with the UN banned from Taliban-controlled areas"

The story of US military involvement in Afghanistan was reported months before 9-11 in Indian and British publications but it was never reported in the US media. With the military plans already in motion since at least June of 2001, all that was needed was for an "incident" to take place to justify the US going to "war against Terrorism" in Afghanistan.

Here are just a few of the advance warnings which were brought to light in the aftermath of 9-11:

The London Daily Telegraph reported on September 16, 2001:

"The Telegraph has learned that two senior experts with Mossad, the Israeli military intelligence service, were sent to Washington in August to alert the FBI and CIA to the existence of a cell of as many as 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation. They had no specific information about what was being planned but linked the plot to Osama Bin Laden and told American officials that there were strong grounds for suspecting Iraqi involvement."

Do you smell a "false flag" operation in the works? How is possible that the Mossad knew of the existence of these 200 terrorists but could not name or locate a single one? And how convenient for Israel that Saddam Hussein should be in cahoots with Osama Bin Laden, despite the fact that Bin Laden and Hussein hate each other!

The Franfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, (FAZ) one of Germany's most respected newspapers, quoted German intelligence sources who said that the Echelon electronic spy network gave US and Israeli intelligence agencies several warnings that suicidal hijack attacks were being planned against US targets. Echelon is capable of monitoring all of the electronic communication in the world. Utilizing 120 satellites, the Echelon system is designed to suck up enormous amounts of data by using keyword search techniques to sift through the data.

The San Francisco Chronicle reported on September 12 that San Francisco Mayor and former California Assembly Speaker Willie Brown was advised eight hours before the attacks that he should be careful about flying on 9-11. 54

In its September 24, 2001 issue, Newsweek Magazine broke this startling revelation:

"Three weeks ago there was another warning that a terrorist strike might be imminent… On September 10, Newsweek has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly cancelled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns.". 55 (emphasis added)

Wow! Could these unnamed "top Pentagon officials" have been some of the Zionist directors of the Defense Policy Board which we talked about earlier? If these Pentagon officials were scared enough not to fly, then why didn't the Pentagon place the Air Force on full alert? How could they have been so slow to react to 9-11 when they already knew there was a threat?

On September 27, The Washington Post reported that two workers of the Israeli company Odigo (with offices also in New York) received instant message warnings just two hours before the attacks. Here's an excerpt from the Washington Post:

"Officials at instant-messaging firm Odigo confirmed today that two employees received text messages warning of an attack on the World Trade Center two hours before terrorists crashed planes into the New York landmarks" 56

Soon after the attacks, the Odigo employees informed the management of the electronic message they had received. Israeli security services were contacted and the FBI was informed. Nothing has been heard about this event since. I think it's safe to say that "Islamic terrorists" would not have been considerate enough to send detailed E-mail warnings to some obscure Israeli office workers. "

54 http://www.sfgate.com/today/0912_chron_mnreport.shtml

55 http://propagandamatrix.com/pentagon_officials_safe.htm

56 http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC_Odigo.html

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#153 streak000
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Man, you're worse than those Christian fanatics. What you propose is pure fantasy, and has no basis in reality. I say this because your confused theories on what happened that day simply make no sense.

I mean, why would George Bush, as much as I dislike him, choose to murder 3 thousands of his own citizens? There are other, much simpler methods and excuses for him to invade another country or to start a "war on terror". It's nothing but a loony conspiracy theory without a shred of credible evidence. And the more you insist on it, the more you seem like a fool. So please give it a rest......

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Even if allowing 911 to happen was the intention of a few people something like that would have NEVER happened. There would have been too many people involved and at least one of them would have felt bad enough to leak something to the media.

In this age you just dont have a secret that big and have it NOT get out in the open unless you and only you know about it.

Regardless of how much plausible information you have if you think it went down the way you are saying you need to check your own reality and not the reality of this situation.

And like the wise person above me said, had it been his intention to simply justify going to war he could have made that happen in an infinite number of different ways none of which involved killing 3k people.

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#155 LJS9502_basic
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not sure what you mean/not clear with religious terms

knowledge-funk

Nothing religious about my statement dude.:| It means that the conspiracy theories have all been ripped apart and exposed for the lies they are.

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#156 knowledge-funk
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Man, you're worse than those Christian fanatics. What you propose is pure fantasy, and has no basis in reality. I say this because your confused theories on what happened that day simply make no sense.

I mean, why would George Bush, as much as I dislike him, choose to murder 3 thousands of his own citizens? There are other, much simpler methods and excuses for him to invade another country or to start a "war on terror". It's nothing but a loony conspiracy theory without a shred of credible evidence. And the more you insist on it, the more you seem like a fool. So please give it a rest......

streak000

Do not insult me man. No I am not crazy. I simply choose to question what is given to me. Once you begin to question, you will have a different outlook on events.

No, I do not know the "Real" reason that 9/11 occured; noone will every know, unless the truth is set free.

I however do know that reason the governemnt created is false and this has been proven. Since you prob wont even pay any attention what I am saying, I'm not gonna bother showing my evidence b/e I have countless time

research yourself buddy

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#157 Alter_Echo
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[QUOTE="streak000"]

Man, you're worse than those Christian fanatics. What you propose is pure fantasy, and has no basis in reality. I say this because your confused theories on what happened that day simply make no sense.

I mean, why would George Bush, as much as I dislike him, choose to murder 3 thousands of his own citizens? There are other, much simpler methods and excuses for him to invade another country or to start a "war on terror". It's nothing but a loony conspiracy theory without a shred of credible evidence. And the more you insist on it, the more you seem like a fool. So please give it a rest......

knowledge-funk

Do not insult me man. No I am not crazy. I simply choose to question what is given to me. Once you begin to question, you will have a different outlook on events.

No, I do not know the "Real" reason that 9/11 occured; noone will every know, unless the truth is set free.

I however do know that reason the governemnt created is false and this has been proven. Since you prob wont even pay any attention what I am saying, I'm not gonna bother showing my evidence b/e I have countless time

research yourself buddy

I have a friend who owns a bridge in brooklyn. Since im sure you arent interested in buying it i wont link you the purchase information.

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I do, however, believe that the plane that crashed in the field may have been shot down under orders from the government.. The story of the patriotic passenger revolt just sounded a little too.... convenient and fantastical. But that would at least make some sense, unlike the WTC conspiracy theories.

The government was put into a very awkward position after the planes hit the buildings, and feasibly could have made a judgment that it was better to shoot the last plane down than to risk another devastating plane-in-the-building.... This probably did not happen, but it is feasible.........

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#159 knowledge-funk
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[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"][QUOTE="streak000"]

Man, you're worse than those Christian fanatics. What you propose is pure fantasy, and has no basis in reality. I say this because your confused theories on what happened that day simply make no sense.

I mean, why would George Bush, as much as I dislike him, choose to murder 3 thousands of his own citizens? There are other, much simpler methods and excuses for him to invade another country or to start a "war on terror". It's nothing but a loony conspiracy theory without a shred of credible evidence. And the more you insist on it, the more you seem like a fool. So please give it a rest......

Alter_Echo

Do not insult me man. No I am not crazy. I simply choose to question what is given to me. Once you begin to question, you will have a different outlook on events.

No, I do not know the "Real" reason that 9/11 occured; noone will every know, unless the truth is set free.

I however do know that reason the governemnt created is false and this has been proven. Since you prob wont even pay any attention what I am saying, I'm not gonna bother showing my evidence b/e I have countless time

research yourself buddy

I have a friend who owns a bridge in brooklyn. Since im sure you arent interested in buying it i wont link you the purchase information.

"Man, you're worse than those Christian fanatics. What you propose is pure fantasy, and has no basis in reality"

"the more you seem like a fool. So please give it a rest"

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I do, however, believe that the plane that crashed in the field may have been shot down under orders from the government.. The story of the patriotic passenger revolt just sounded a little too.... convenient and fantastical. But that would at least make some sense, unlike the WTC conspiracy theories.

The government was put into a very awkward position after the planes hit the buildings, and feasibly could have made a judgment that it was better to shoot the last plane down than to risk another devastating plane-in-the-building.... This probably did not happen, but it is feasible.........

streak000

I absolutely believe the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was shot down. Unfortuntaly, that was the correct course of action.

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#161 Alter_Echo
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Everything you have as an argument piece is at BEST mildly circumstantial and at worst completely idiotic. Lots of people who are a lot more qualified than you are have looked into this over and over and over and found nothing even remotely indicative of a conspiracy. I'll trust them over you. Sorry.
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#162 knowledge-funk
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Even if allowing 911 to happen was the intention of a few people something like that would have NEVER happened. There would have been too many people involved and at least one of them would have felt bad enough to leak something to the media.

In this age you just dont have a secret that big and have it NOT get out in the open unless you and only you know about it.

Regardless of how much plausible information you have if you think it went down the way you are saying you need to check your own reality and not the reality of this situation.

And like the wise person above me said, had it been his intention to simply justify going to war he could have made that happen in an infinite number of different ways none of which involved killing 3k people.

Alter_Echo

we do not know the intention of it.

there have been those who have leaked the info, sadly they are immedietly named crazy conspiracy theoriest

in result, they create movie and such on intrenet to release their word

what are they suppose to do go to the corrupt media?

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#163 knowledge-funk
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[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

not sure what you mean/not clear with religious terms

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Nothing religious about my statement dude.:| It means that the conspiracy theories have all been ripped apart and exposed for the lies they are.

ok rip my "theory" apart?

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#164 knowledge-funk
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Everything you have as an argument piece is at BEST mildly circumstantial and at worst completely idiotic. Lots of people who are a lot more qualified than you are have looked into this over and over and over and found nothing even remotely indicative of a conspiracy. I'll trust them over you. Sorry.Alter_Echo

who?

i could say the same; vice versa

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#165 Alter_Echo
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[QUOTE="streak000"]

I do, however, believe that the plane that crashed in the field may have been shot down under orders from the government.. The story of the patriotic passenger revolt just sounded a little too.... convenient and fantastical. But that would at least make some sense, unlike the WTC conspiracy theories.

The government was put into a very awkward position after the planes hit the buildings, and feasibly could have made a judgment that it was better to shoot the last plane down than to risk another devastating plane-in-the-building.... This probably did not happen, but it is feasible.........

LJS9502_basic

I absolutely believe the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was shot down. Unfortuntaly, that was the correct course of action.

I would like to submit into evidence the audio communications tape for 1 of the 3 jets within missle range that was mysteriously blank when examined. That alone is suspect enough to make me think they shot it down.

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#166 Arab_2008
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American government attempt (which worked) to persuade its citizens to go to war with a nation that had nothing to do with America, other than America itself interfering in the middle east!
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American government attempt (which worked) to persuade its citizens to go to war with a nation that had nothing to do with America, other than America itself interfering in the middle east!Arab_2008

Absolutely false.......

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#168 knowledge-funk
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[QUOTE="Arab_2008"]American government attempt (which worked) to persuade its citizens to go to war with a nation that had nothing to do with America, other than America itself interfering in the middle east!LJS9502_basic

Absolutely false.......

I'm not saying that he is correct, but what is false about it?

Going from his name and sig, this subject is obv personal for him. Many are dead. What gave americans the right to do so? Why not leave other countries alone instead increasing its debt by starting uneeded chaos.

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#169 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Arab_2008"]American government attempt (which worked) to persuade its citizens to go to war with a nation that had nothing to do with America, other than America itself interfering in the middle east!knowledge-funk

Absolutely false.......

I'm not saying that he is correct, but what is false about it?

Going from his name and sig, this subject is obv personal for him. Many are dead. What gave americans the right to do so? Why not leave other countries alone instead increasing its debt by starting uneeded chaos.

The entire statement is false....that's what's false about it. The Iraq War was not about 911. It didn't need 911....it was for different reasons and whether one agrees with it or not......it wasn't over the terrorists.

Period.

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#170 knowledge-funk
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[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Arab_2008"]American government attempt (which worked) to persuade its citizens to go to war with a nation that had nothing to do with America, other than America itself interfering in the middle east!LJS9502_basic

Absolutely false.......

I'm not saying that he is correct, but what is false about it?

Going from his name and sig, this subject is obv personal for him. Many are dead. What gave americans the right to do so? Why not leave other countries alone instead increasing its debt by starting uneeded chaos.

The entire statement is false....that's what's false about it. The Iraq War was not about 911. It didn't need 911....it was for different reasons and whether one agrees with it or not......it wasn't over the terrorists.

Period.

Sorry, I mean't how is this false

"go to war with a nation that had nothing to do with America, other than America itself interfering in the middle east!"
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#171 LJS9502_basic
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Sorry, I mean't how is this false

"go to war with a nation that had nothing to do with America, other than America itself interfering in the middle east!"knowledge-funk

That's is only a partial phrase....read the rest of his statement.;)

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#172 southy787
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The fact that people believe in this conspiracy theory merely shows their hatred towards Bush, rather than adding weight to the validity of it.
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A plane hit a building and then another hit the building next to it. They fell down and many people died. The end.Film-Guy

Haha... Agreed/

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#174 mohfrontline
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the bush administration benefited way too much off these attacks. It gave them the perfect excuse to exercisePatriot Act and invade Iraq. I don't know if there was a conspiracy or not, but it seemed the timing was a little too perfect if you ask me. Kind of like Pearl Harbor, I think the government had warning that an attack was going to occur. But since they knew they could invade Iraq and start the patriot act, they didn't act on it. that's my opinion. We still haven't caught osama, you think that's a coincidence? We caught Saddam and started looking for him 2 years later. Come on folks, let's use our heads here.
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Stop posting videos that force your beliefs onto others, quite frankly it's offensive.hokies1313

Yes, Freedom of Speech is very offensive.

We should gather up people we think are dangerous to the community and the burn them at the stake, right?

Seriously dude....WAKE UP!!!

It's the 21st century!

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the bush administration benefited way too much off these attacks. It gave them the perfect excuse to exercisePatriot Act and invade Iraq. I don't know if there was a conspiracy or not, but it seemed the timing was a little too perfect if you ask me. Kind of like Pearl Harbor, I think the government had warning that an attack was going to occur. But since they knew they could invade Iraq and start the patriot act, they didn't act on it. that's my opinion. We still haven't caught osama, you think that's a coincidence? We caught Saddam and started looking for him 2 years later. Come on folks, let's use our heads here.mohfrontline

Benefitting doesn't mean being behind it. It would have taken a group to pull it off. There would be no way they'd stay silent. Common sense dictates.

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#177 areyoumad
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here are some top ranking mil and intel officers challenging the official 9\11 story

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_080112_twenty_five_u_s__mil.htm

now debunk this skeptics.

even a french actress has said it

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#178 comp_atkins
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the guy on the grassy knoll planned it...

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#179 darkmoney52
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[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]the bush administration benefited way too much off these attacks. It gave them the perfect excuse to exercisePatriot Act and invade Iraq. I don't know if there was a conspiracy or not, but it seemed the timing was a little too perfect if you ask me. Kind of like Pearl Harbor, I think the government had warning that an attack was going to occur. But since they knew they could invade Iraq and start the patriot act, they didn't act on it. that's my opinion. We still haven't caught osama, you think that's a coincidence? We caught Saddam and started looking for him 2 years later. Come on folks, let's use our heads here.Godly_Cure

Benefitting doesn't mean being behind it. It would have taken a group to pull it off. There would be no way they'd stay silent. Common sense dictates.

I don't think the administration was behind it, but I do believe they saw it coming and decided not to act. They did benefit greatly from the attack, and the way they basically crippled the 911 investigation is a good indication that they did something shady at least.

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#180 shivaskunk9mm
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i think it's entirely possible (although highly improbable) that they simply allowed it to happen. It would not be unique in history by any measure, and i wouldn't count on some in the Bush clique to hold themselves ethically above such measures if they had enough to gain. But then again i am an incurable cynic. There certainly are aspects that in the least could lead you to believe they were planning to exploit an event such as the wtc/ pentagon attacks.
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#181 SentryGunner411
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Why do people keep bringing up 9/11 like it's a big deal. It's not. Get over it. It happened over 8 years ago. People need to move on.

We're fighting a war in Iraq which has cost over 5,000 lives. That's more important. Soldiers whom love their country and spill their guts for freedom, not some business men who trade stocks all day.

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#182 darkmoney52
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Why do people keep bringing up 9/11 like it's a big deal. It's not. Get over it. It happened over 8 years ago. People need to move on.

We're fighting a war in Iraq which has cost over 5,000 lives. That's more important. Soldiers whom love their country and spill their guts for freedom, not some business men who trade stocks all day.

SentryGunner411

That was a harsh way of putting it, but I would agree that Iraq is a bigger issue. I think people still bring up 911, because it was the mindset after the attack that had so many people supporting the Iraq war, and if not for 911 we would'nt be in Iraq.

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#183 shivaskunk9mm
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Why do people keep bringing up 9/11 like it's a big deal. It's not. Get over it. It happened over 8 years ago. People need to move on.

We're fighting a war in Iraq which has cost over 5,000 lives. That's more important. Soldiers whom love their country and spill their guts for freedom, not some business men who trade stocks all day.

SentryGunner411
lets see here... Discrimination, check. Patriotism, check.. "freedom", check,, Yep, everything seems to be in order. I commend you on a job well done..
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i think it's entirely possible (although highly improbable) that they simply allowed it to happen. It would not be unique in history by any measure, and i wouldn't count on some in the Bush clique to hold themselves ethically above such measures if they had enough to gain. But then again i am an incurable cynic. There certainly are aspects that in the least could lead you to believe they were planning to exploit an event such as the wtc/ pentagon attacks.shivaskunk9mm

It is a fact and proven that they had prior knowledge of it.

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#185 Quadrifoglio
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Terroists hijacked some planes and drove them into bulidings killing thosuands. that is what I think happened.pintabear49blue

Actually, they flew into them. :P

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#186 knowledge-funk
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Unraveling the Myth of Al Qaida

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7787

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#187 Truth_Seekr
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Why don't we take a look at exactly who it was that benefitted from 9/11

Click Here

If, only IF you WANT to, follow through and find out if infact the allegations are true or not by all means. Most people wont follow through cause they claim to not have the time to listen/read rubbish, but yet they don't mind wasting whatever time they do have time responding to these threads which are full of "rubbish/paranoid tinfoil tales". A bit awkward on their part, but entertaining nontheless.

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You keep saying that we take whatever explanation our goverment gives us, but the truth is, only about half of OT is American, and the other half is just going with the only logical explanation. :|
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#189 shivaskunk9mm
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[QUOTE="shivaskunk9mm"]i think it's entirely possible (although highly improbable) that they simply allowed it to happen. It would not be unique in history by any measure, and i wouldn't count on some in the Bush clique to hold themselves ethically above such measures if they had enough to gain. But then again i am an incurable cynic. There certainly are aspects that in the least could lead you to believe they were planning to exploit an event such as the wtc/ pentagon attacks.knowledge-funk

It is a fact and proven that they had prior knowledge of it.

offcourse there is. But it does not necessarily prove intent. One could argue that they failed to take the threat seriously enough or that, through sheer misfortune or gross incompetence, the required measures were simply not taken in time. People have had prior knowledge of imminent events in the past without being able to stop them. In the end we'll probably never know.
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#190 Truth_Seekr
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[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="knowledge-funk"][QUOTE="knowledge-funk"][QUOTE="Godly_Cure"][QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

look at the history of al-queda; who has funded it; what was it used for; and then come back to me and tell me its not.

you base your belief on news reports on cnn. that is not credible. what else you expct them to tell you?

knowledge-funk

:roll: I'd rather base it on experts than paranoid conspiracies.

they may be experts as you state. but the those media corporation are all owned the corrupt ones. look at the history of all the major networks. I already provided links on this, but since none of you seem to care about it, research it yourself

http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml

http://www.cjr.org/resources/

http://www.thenation.com/special/bigten.html

http://www.corporations.org/media/

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=7&issue_area_id=6

http://www.nowfoundation.org/issues/communications/tv/mediacontrol.html

Unless you already did, You should check out these vids.

The Corporation Part 1
The Corporation Part 2

America: Freedom to Fascism

RIP Aaron Russo

He was an excellent filmaker

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#191 knowledge-funk
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You keep saying that we take whatever explanation our goverment gives us, but the truth is, only about half of OT is American, and the other half is just going with the only logical explanation. :| jaydough

I'm willing to guess that 90% of those who responded: pro the governments explanation, is american.

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#192 knowledge-funk
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[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

[QUOTE="shivaskunk9mm"]i think it's entirely possible (although highly improbable) that they simply allowed it to happen. It would not be unique in history by any measure, and i wouldn't count on some in the Bush clique to hold themselves ethically above such measures if they had enough to gain. But then again i am an incurable cynic. There certainly are aspects that in the least could lead you to believe they were planning to exploit an event such as the wtc/ pentagon attacks.shivaskunk9mm

It is a fact and proven that they had prior knowledge of it.

offcourse there is. But it does not necessarily prove intent. One could argue that they failed to take the threat seriously enough or that, through sheer misfortune or gross incompetence, the required measures were simply not taken in time. People have had prior knowledge of imminent events in the past without being able to stop them. In the end we'll probably never know.

there was time. many things could have been done. evacute the buildings. have NORAD prepared for attack or defense. no. nothing happened. instead when bush heard the news, he calmly continued reading to students.

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[QUOTE="jaydough"] You keep saying that we take whatever explanation our goverment gives us, but the truth is, only about half of OT is American, and the other half is just going with the only logical explanation. :| knowledge-funk

I'm willing to guess that 90% of those who responded: pro the governments explanation, is american.

Why do you assume that? You have just made a guess without using any evidence to support your claim.
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#194 knowledge-funk
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[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

[QUOTE="jaydough"] You keep saying that we take whatever explanation our goverment gives us, but the truth is, only about half of OT is American, and the other half is just going with the only logical explanation. :| jaydough

I'm willing to guess that 90% of those who responded: pro the governments explanation, is american.

Why do you assume that? You have just made a guess without using any evidence to support your claim.

You did also.

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#195 Truth_Seekr
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[QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

[QUOTE="jaydough"] You keep saying that we take whatever explanation our goverment gives us, but the truth is, only about half of OT is American, and the other half is just going with the only logical explanation. :| jaydough

I'm willing to guess that 90% of those who responded: pro the governments explanation, is american.

Why do you assume that? You have just made a guess without using any evidence to support your claim.

Lets be real tho.... Whoelse, save for Americans, are willing to buy into any and everything the government has said?

I'm actually willing to guess that most Americans feel or sense, whatever you wanna call it, that something if fishy either about the events of 9/11 or previous catastrophes, but maybe they're afraid of what they may come across, and so they just go with what the daily news media machine tells em. At this point, I'm just speculating tho....

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[QUOTE="jaydough"][QUOTE="knowledge-funk"]

[QUOTE="jaydough"] You keep saying that we take whatever explanation our goverment gives us, but the truth is, only about half of OT is American, and the other half is just going with the only logical explanation. :| knowledge-funk

I'm willing to guess that 90% of those who responded: pro the governments explanation, is american.

Why do you assume that? You have just made a guess without using any evidence to support your claim.

You did also.

Touche.
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[QUOTE="jaydough"][QUOTE="knowledge-funk"] [QUOTE="jaydough"] You keep saying that we take whatever explanation our goverment gives us, but the truth is, only about half of OT is American, and the other half is just going with the only logical explanation. :| Truth_Seekr
I'm willing to guess that 90% of those who responded: pro the governments explanation, is american.

Why do you assume that? You have just made a guess without using any evidence to support your claim.

Whoelse, save for Americans, are willing to buy into any and everything the government has said?

The terrorists. Because they actually were the people who attacked.
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#198 knowledge-funk
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[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="jaydough"][QUOTE="knowledge-funk"] [QUOTE="jaydough"] You keep saying that we take whatever explanation our goverment gives us, but the truth is, only about half of OT is American, and the other half is just going with the only logical explanation. :| jaydough
I'm willing to guess that 90% of those who responded: pro the governments explanation, is american.

Why do you assume that? You have just made a guess without using any evidence to support your claim.

Whoelse, save for Americans, are willing to buy into any and everything the government has said?

The terrorists. Because they actually were the people who attacked.

watch this movie.

WhoKilledJohn O'Neill?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3857917663523144457&q=Who+killed+John+O%27Neil%3F&total=39&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

don't respond back until you finish.

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[QUOTE="jaydough"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="jaydough"][QUOTE="knowledge-funk"] [QUOTE="jaydough"] You keep saying that we take whatever explanation our goverment gives us, but the truth is, only about half of OT is American, and the other half is just going with the only logical explanation. :| knowledge-funk

I'm willing to guess that 90% of those who responded: pro the governments explanation, is american.

Why do you assume that? You have just made a guess without using any evidence to support your claim.

Whoelse, save for Americans, are willing to buy into any and everything the government has said?

The terrorists. Because they actually were the people who attacked.

watch this movie.

WhoKilledJohn O'Neill?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3857917663523144457&q=Who+killed+John+O%27Neil%3F&total=39&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

don't respond back until you finish.

It's an hour and 40 minutes. I have ADD. Do the math.... Or at least give me a summary of the video, or point out key points?
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#200 Sexy_Pirate
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planes hit a building, explosives helped to bring down the buildings, certain experts were bribed by the government to tell people that what hte governement said really happened, goverment had a part in it /threadlinkin_guy109

Good thing this thread ended with a true post or else this thread would have been closed with foolish lies. :(