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#501 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] I think you overestimate his age. 16 is my guess.

Ace, please explain why the 6,000,000 jews who were murdered during the holocaust did not have rights to violate. I really would like to know.

Because they were not granted rights by anyone. Same with the slaves in the US. No one gave them rights so they didn't have them. An abstract concept isn't going to save anyone. You need to actually have backing for an abstract concept to exist. If it doesn't have backing it doesn't exist. We make rights up. It just so happens the Nazis didn't believe Jews had rights. So they did what they pleased with them and it was horrible.

Again, the concept of "rights" is about how things SHOULD be, not how they necessarily are. The etymology behind the word makes that clear, considering that the word "right" is also a synonym for "good", "proper", and "just". A man may have the legal authority to steal from, rape, or murder someone, but that doesn't mean that he is within is RIGHTS to do so, because what he is doing is WRONG.
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#502 dave123321
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They locked your mlk thread, lai :(
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#503 CycleOfViolence
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Most people are sheep. They don't think for themselves and they blindly conform to social norms. This thread is proof enough of that. If we were all living 200 years ago, I would be arguing about the immorality of slavery while the rest of you would be rolling your eyes and calling me crazy.Laihendi

I think plenty of people think for themselves. Just because they don't hold the same beliefs as you doesn't make them sheep.

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#504 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

There were many times in history where slavery was acceptable in society, and in groups that weren't regulated by governments. Slavery is general known to have predated recorded history, yet it was only abolished in the US 150 years ago. How do you explain thousands of years of recorded history?

HoolaHoopMan

Most people are sheep. They don't think for themselves and they blindly conform to social norms. This thread is proof enough of that. If we were all living 200 years ago, I would be arguing about the immorality of slavery while the rest of you would be rolling your eyes and calling me crazy.

Yes, all of us are brainwashed. That's easily the most logical conclusion from all of this.

If you've ever actually read a history textbook used in public schools then you will see that they tend to be very hostile to the concepts of individualism and laissez faire capitalism. The US government socialized the entire education industry, creates laws mandating attendance from all children, and controls what the schools teach. When they do it North Korea we call it brainwashing, yet when someone points out that we are doing the exact same thing in the US you act like it is perfectly fine.

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#505 Laihendi
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They locked your mlk thread, lai :(dave123321
Yes and frankly I don't think a thread about a republican politician being racist would have been locked. This place has double standards.
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#506 HoolaHoopMan
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Most people are sheep. They don't think for themselves and they blindly conform to social norms. This thread is proof enough of that. If we were all living 200 years ago, I would be arguing about the immorality of slavery while the rest of you would be rolling your eyes and calling me crazy.

Yes, all of us are brainwashed. That's easily the most logical conclusion from all of this.

If you've ever actually read a history textbook used in public schools then you will see that they tend to be very hostile to the concepts of individualism and laissez faire capitalism. The US government socialized the entire education industry, creates laws mandating attendance from all children, and controls what the schools teach. When they do it North Korea we call it brainwashing, yet when someone points out that we are doing the exact same thing in the US you act like that idea is absurd.

I went to a public school and was forced to read The Fountainhead. I don't think you know what you're talking about. Do you just sit there alone each night and cry over that huge persecution complex you've got? I think the problem with you is that you view the entire world in absolutes, black and white. You fail to see that there's a spectrum of ideologies, right and wrong, and points of view. Honestly, grow up.
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[QUOTE="dave123321"]They locked your mlk thread, lai :(Laihendi
Yes and frankly I don't think a thread about a republican politician being racist would have been locked. This place has double standards.

Triple standards
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#508 Legend002
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Obama is aight.

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[QUOTE="dave123321"]They locked your mlk thread, lai :(Laihendi
Yes and frankly I don't think a thread about a republican politician being racist would have been locked. This place has double standards.

What about the fact that jan 21st has been an Inauguration day in the past when the 20th was a Sunday? Or march 5th as opposed to the usual march 4th when it was held in march for the same reason?
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Ace, please explain why the 6,000,000 jews who were murdered during the holocaust did not have rights to violate. I really would like to know.Laihendi
Because they were not granted rights by anyone. Same with the slaves in the US. No one gave them rights so they didn't have them. An abstract concept isn't going to save anyone. You need to actually have backing for an abstract concept to exist. If it doesn't have backing it doesn't exist. We make rights up. It just so happens the Nazis didn't believe Jews had rights. So they did what they pleased with them and it was horrible.

Again, the concept of "rights" is about how things SHOULD be, not how they necessarily are. The etymology behind the word makes that clear, considering that the word "right" is also a synonym for "good", "proper", and "just". A man may have the legal authority to steal from, rape, or murder someone, but that doesn't mean that he is within is RIGHTS to do so, because what he is doing is WRONG.

Actually its EXACTLY what that is.. Rights are only defined by backing of a authority.. Good, proper and just have absolutely no fvcking place in this argument because thats not what is being argued.. Especially when "good, proper and just" have varied WILDLY historically.. It seems to me you think your idea of things is in fact the just and correct way to go..

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[QUOTE="dave123321"]They locked your mlk thread, lai :(Laihendi
Yes and frankly I don't think a thread about a republican politician being racist would have been locked. This place has double standards.

LOL because that's totally the reason why it was locked

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#512 dave123321
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the thread should have stayed open for the eventual amusement
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="dave123321"]They locked your mlk thread, lai :(Aljosa23

Yes and frankly I don't think a thread about a republican politician being racist would have been locked. This place has double standards.

LOL because that's totally the reason why it was locked

Dat persecution complex yo.

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#514 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="dave123321"]They locked your mlk thread, lai :(dave123321
Yes and frankly I don't think a thread about a republican politician being racist would have been locked. This place has double standards.

What about the fact that jan 21st has been an Inauguration day in the past when the 20th was a Sunday? Or march 5th as opposed to the usual march 4th when it was held in march for the same reason?

Regardless of that, Obama was still clearly milking this opportunity for all the race baiting he could get out of it. Every other president has been sworn in with one bible, but Obama felt the need to use 2 this time - one bible owned by Lincoln and another owned by MLK. Considering that this year is the 150th anniversary of the emancipation proclamation and 50th anniversary MLK's march on Washington (in addition to it being MLK day) it is pretty clear what message Obama was trying to make.
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#515 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Because they were not granted rights by anyone. Same with the slaves in the US. No one gave them rights so they didn't have them. An abstract concept isn't going to save anyone. You need to actually have backing for an abstract concept to exist. If it doesn't have backing it doesn't exist. We make rights up. It just so happens the Nazis didn't believe Jews had rights. So they did what they pleased with them and it was horrible.sSubZerOo

Again, the concept of "rights" is about how things SHOULD be, not how they necessarily are. The etymology behind the word makes that clear, considering that the word "right" is also a synonym for "good", "proper", and "just". A man may have the legal authority to steal from, rape, or murder someone, but that doesn't mean that he is within is RIGHTS to do so, because what he is doing is WRONG.

Actually its EXACTLY what that is.. Rights are only defined by backing of a authority.. Good, proper and just have absolutely no fvcking place in this argument because thats not what is being argued.. Especially when "good, proper and just" have varied WILDLY historically.. It seems to me you think your idea of things is in fact the just and correct way to go..

No, as I have just stated the word "right" is etymologically bound to the words "good", "proper", and "just". What is right isn't determined by figures of authority. What is right is determined by objective ethical principles. And yes I do think my "idea of things" is the correct way to go, because my belief is that no one should be allowed to inflict physical force against someone. Theft, rape, murder, and slavery are only possible through the infliction of physical force. If you disagree with this basic principle, then you believe that one man has the right to force another to act against his will. That is slavery.
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#516 dave123321
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Lai, who do you want the next president to be?
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#517 dave123321
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Lai, who are your favorite writers?
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#518 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Ace, please explain why the 6,000,000 jews who were murdered during the holocaust did not have rights to violate. I really would like to know.

Because they were not granted rights by anyone. Same with the slaves in the US. No one gave them rights so they didn't have them. An abstract concept isn't going to save anyone. You need to actually have backing for an abstract concept to exist. If it doesn't have backing it doesn't exist. We make rights up. It just so happens the Nazis didn't believe Jews had rights. So they did what they pleased with them and it was horrible.

Again, the concept of "rights" is about how things SHOULD be, not how they necessarily are. The etymology behind the word makes that clear, considering that the word "right" is also a synonym for "good", "proper", and "just". A man may have the legal authority to steal from, rape, or murder someone, but that doesn't mean that he is within is RIGHTS to do so, because what he is doing is WRONG.

What claim do you have to being the moral compass of the world? There are no objective principles in this world. Morals come from man as subjective beliefs that we support through a measure of authority. You are at the whim of the morals of others. You can be good and just and proper and correct but if you're not strong enough it means absolutely nothing.
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#519 Laihendi
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Lai, who do you want the next president to be?dave123321
I don't know for sure. I am going to try to get Elijah on the ballot or registered as a write in candidate in some states. I know he won't win but he is still better than whoever the major party candidates will be by default. He would basically be a protest vote. As far as traditional candidates go, since Ron Paul retired I do not have much hope for a good candidate who is viable. Perhaps there is hope for Rand Paul, Gary Johnson, or Jesse Ventura. Also my favourite author is J.R.R. Tolkien.
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#520 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Because they were not granted rights by anyone. Same with the slaves in the US. No one gave them rights so they didn't have them. An abstract concept isn't going to save anyone. You need to actually have backing for an abstract concept to exist. If it doesn't have backing it doesn't exist. We make rights up. It just so happens the Nazis didn't believe Jews had rights. So they did what they pleased with them and it was horrible.

Again, the concept of "rights" is about how things SHOULD be, not how they necessarily are. The etymology behind the word makes that clear, considering that the word "right" is also a synonym for "good", "proper", and "just". A man may have the legal authority to steal from, rape, or murder someone, but that doesn't mean that he is within is RIGHTS to do so, because what he is doing is WRONG.

What claim do you have to being the moral compass of the world? There are no objective principles in this world. Morals come from man as subjective beliefs that we support through a measure of authority. You are at the whim of the morals of others. You can be good and just and proper and correct but if you're not strong enough it means absolutely nothing.

Yes, and if someone is strong enough to force is bad, unjust, and improper values on others he is not a moral man acting within his rights - he is immoral thug who rules others through brute force.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Again, the concept of "rights" is about how things SHOULD be, not how they necessarily are. The etymology behind the word makes that clear, considering that the word "right" is also a synonym for "good", "proper", and "just". A man may have the legal authority to steal from, rape, or murder someone, but that doesn't mean that he is within is RIGHTS to do so, because what he is doing is WRONG.

What claim do you have to being the moral compass of the world? There are no objective principles in this world. Morals come from man as subjective beliefs that we support through a measure of authority. You are at the whim of the morals of others. You can be good and just and proper and correct but if you're not strong enough it means absolutely nothing.

Yes, and if someone is strong enough to force is bad, unjust, and improper values on others he is not a moral man acting within his rights - he is immoral thug who rules others through brute force.

Are you going to defend your views or are you just going to say things?
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#522 Laihendi
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] What claim do you have to being the moral compass of the world? There are no objective principles in this world. Morals come from man as subjective beliefs that we support through a measure of authority. You are at the whim of the morals of others. You can be good and just and proper and correct but if you're not strong enough it means absolutely nothing.

Yes, and if someone is strong enough to force is bad, unjust, and improper values on others he is not a moral man acting within his rights - he is immoral thug who rules others through brute force.

Are you going to defend your views or are you just going to say things?

Considering I have been defending my views for 27 pages, it's hard for me to believe that that is a serious question.
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]Yes, and if someone is strong enough to force is bad, unjust, and improper values on others he is not a moral man acting within his rights - he is immoral thug who rules others through brute force.Laihendi
Are you going to defend your views or are you just going to say things?

Considering I have been defending my views for 27 pages, it's hard for me to believe that that is a serious question.

That's a no I guess. Oh well. Have a good day.
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]Yes, and if someone is strong enough to force is bad, unjust, and improper values on others he is not a moral man acting within his rights - he is immoral thug who rules others through brute force.Ace6301
Are you going to defend your views or are you just going to say things?

Considering I have been defending my views for 27 pages, it's hard for me to believe that that is a serious question.

Rambling like an idiot doesn't count as defending
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#525 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I like Laihendi's little game. No one aside from him agrees and/or comprehends his notions of rights, and consequently he is the only person that has them.

Laihendi

My position on rights is one of the basic principles of Objectivism, so you are wrong.

I was only being slightly hyperbolic. I'm sure there are a small handful of people holding your obscure point of view that also have rights.

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[QUOTE="dave123321"]Lai, who do you want the next president to be?Laihendi
I don't know for sure. I am going to try to get Elijah on the ballot or registered as a write in candidate in some states. I know he won't win but he is still better than whoever the major party candidates will be by default. He would basically be a protest vote. As far as traditional candidates go, since Ron Paul retired I do not have much hope for a good candidate who is viable. Perhaps there is hope for Rand Paul, Gary Johnson, or Jesse Ventura. Also my favourite author is J.R.R. Tolkien.

:lol::lol:

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I was living in Minnesota when he was Governor. He should not ever have public office again.

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#527 percech
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It was written in 1787...do you really think that it shouldn't evolve and be modified?
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#528 GrannyGoat
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I'm proud of my President. I think he is a good man at heart
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It was written in 1787...do you really think that it shouldn't evolve and be modified?percech
no of course not. whatever slave owners and traitors say should be law forever

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You live in a scary world Laihendeei

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impeachment is not "get rid of the president that i disagree with"
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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="dave123321"]Lai, who do you want the next president to be?jimkabrhel

I don't know for sure. I am going to try to get Elijah on the ballot or registered as a write in candidate in some states. I know he won't win but he is still better than whoever the major party candidates will be by default. He would basically be a protest vote. As far as traditional candidates go, since Ron Paul retired I do not have much hope for a good candidate who is viable. Perhaps there is hope for Rand Paul, Gary Johnson, or Jesse Ventura. Also my favourite author is J.R.R. Tolkien.

:lol::lol:

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I was living in Minnesota when he was Governor. He should not ever have public office again.

Another shining example of someone who has gone off the deep end.

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#533 Lotus-Edge
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Good lord.... This is still going?
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Bulbasaur was always the crappiest of the original three starters.
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#535 Moriarity_
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I'm not sure if Lai seriously doesn't understand the concept of subjective morality, if he's just purposely being dense, or if he's just trolling.
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I'm not sure if Lai seriously doesn't understand the concept of subjective morality, if he's just purposely being dense, or if he's just trolling.Moriarity_
He could be dense and trolling. More's the pity.
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obama needs to be arrested, tried in a court of law and then executed for treason and espionage.

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I'm not sure if Lai seriously doesn't understand the concept of subjective morality, if he's just purposely being dense, or if he's just trolling.Moriarity_
Doesn't matter this is hilarious.
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#539 whipassmt
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Yo, Layhenny, how come you haven't responded to the PM I sent you on Daves' place, yet?

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Okay. I saw your reply, it did seem as though you haven't used Dave's place for a while, but I was worried that you hadn't responded yet because you were offended by my PM.

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Goddammit! Was bumping this really necessary?

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="worlock77"] The reasons why you desire power don't matter. The desire itself is greed. Every tyrant, every dicator in history has convinced himself that his motives for seeking power were for the greater good.worlock77
There is nothing inherently wrong with power, or the desire of it. Aragorn had power, and he used it to protect the freedom of his subjects. Sauron had power, and he used it to oppress his subjects.

Aragorn was, to be perfectly honest, a badly written anomaly. A reflection of Tolkien's Judeo-Christian belief in an eventual worldly messiah-king. One of the major themes of Tolkien's works (Aragorn aside) is that power corrupts. He practically beats the reader over the head with this point.

I don't find Aragorn to be "badly written". Perhaps the distinction between Aragorn and the others corrupted by power is that Aragorn's power (or maybe authority is a better word) is a legitimate power, the power he desires is the authority that is his birth-right: the kingship of Gondor and Arnor. Whereas the others corrupted wanted illegitimate power, power beyond their due, Denethor wanted to act as if he was king rather than stepping aside when the real king returned to claim his thrown (he even used the phrase "supplant me" in reference to Aragorn), Saruman wanted to have power over multiple realms of Middle-Earth as did Sauron. Indeed Sauron's pride was so great that he desired to be as a god to Middle-Earth and to arrogate to himself power that only rightly belongs to Eru (this is roughly whatTolkien said in one of his letters).

Another person that is not corrupted by power is Faramir, he is tempted but not corrupted and stays consent with his legitimate authority as a captain of Gondor, son of the steward and later on prince of Ithilien.

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Hey Worlock, can you guess what my favorite B2K and P.Diddy song is?

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So did Laihendi ever say what charges he thinks Obama should be impeached on?
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So did Laihendi ever say what charges he thinks Obama should be impeached on?PannicAtack

Being a black, liberal-in-name-but-moderate-right-in-practice President, who isn't the almight Elijah Wood, is my guess.

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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]So did Laihendi ever say what charges he thinks Obama should be impeached on?jimkabrhel

Being a black, liberal-in-name-but-moderate-right-in-practice President, who isn't the almight Elijah Wood, is my guess.

That's what you democrats always do. Anytime someone makes legitimate criticisms about Obama you accuse them of being racist. I don't care about Obama's ethnicity. I care about the fact that he is a collectivist who does everything he can to circumvent and undermine the constitution after swearing an oath (twice) to uphold it. I am not a racist, but Obama is. Obama supports affirmative action and his collectivist policies steal from middle and upper class citizens (mostly caucasian) and redistribute to the lower classes (mostly racial minorities).
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And what is wrong with Jesse Ventura?
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And what is wrong with Jesse Ventura?Laihendi
Well, he's a conspiracy theorist, for one thing. Also, still waiting for you to name an actual charge that you think Obama could be impeached for.
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you realize that one CAN support affirmative action and a social safety net without being racist, right?
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And what is wrong with Jesse Ventura?Laihendi

How about the fact that he's absolutely batsh*t?

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#550 TINYOWNSYOU
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Is Obama really so bad? I think he's doing a good job so far, especially considering the mess he inherited. It seems to me like most people don't even want to give him a chance.