Only clown here is you that doesn't know how to read posts and takes parts of it out of context.FelipeInside
um... what did I take out of context? That was your full quote lol.
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Only clown here is you that doesn't know how to read posts and takes parts of it out of context.Slashless
um... what did I take out of context? That was your full quote lol.
Do I really have to explain? Nah, I won't bother since you decided to make your post insulting instead of contributing something useful or asking a question.Don't throw all non-Americans under the bus just because Felipe has no idea what he's talking about. But yes he is a clown.I used to be okay with users who weren't from America talking about American politics.
But users like this clown have made me change my mind.
Slashless
[QUOTE="whipassmt"]there are a decent number of Americans who would want Obama removed.AllicrombieThe South hasn't been relevant since the Civil War. Actually they've probably been the most politically influential region in recent times, plus they contribute a large sector of the economy and of our energy resources (Texas, Louisiana), I think it's the "Rustbelt" like Pennsylvania that is losing relevance.
[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] They are both deadly if used in the wrong way. Thing is, alcohol can be used just to drink casually at home with some friends and not take it further than that. When you use a gun, it's to kill. Be it a person or hunting. (sports with guns is a different story). But fine, keep handing out guns to the public. These yearly shootings you guys have are a common thing in the world.FelipeInside
So you concede then that alcohol is more deadly than guns? And a gun can kill, doesn't always. I shoot a target, I guess the target bleeds. Guns can also be equipped with rubber bullets, they can and have been used. Also, even if a gun is used to kill an animal, is that bad too now or? And no, we aren't handing out guns to people left and right, but your hyperbole is cute. Mass shootings are still rare in general context. But we can continue to knee-jerk our way into legislation.
Mass Shooting are rare hey? So I guess you are fine that you get one per year? And nothing should be done since the rest of the world has bans on guns and don't get these types of shootings? There is nothing "cute" about this man, people are dying. I don't understand how you can find excuses for nothing to be done. Violence in America is lower than in a lot of places. At least we don't have constant shootings like in Mexico or have trouble with violent Marxist terrorist groups like the FARC or like Peru had with the Shining Path or Italy had with the Red Brigades.The South hasn't been relevant since the Civil War. Actually they've probably been the most politically influential region in recent times, plus they contribute a large sector of the economy and of our energy resources (Texas, Louisiana), I think it's the "Rustbelt" like Pennsylvania that is losing relevance. I doubt that, but Texas will soon be in play in national elections as the demographics continue to evolve and more people from blue state migrate for job opprotunities. Some put that estimate to be as few as three election cycles. Republicans will be fighting for their politcal lives if Texas EVER starts to trend blue.[QUOTE="Allicrombie"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]there are a decent number of Americans who would want Obama removed.whipassmt
Don't throw all non-Americans under the bus just because Felipe has no idea what he's talking about. But yes he is a clown.Ace6301
Hey, I wouldn't take away a Canadian's favorite past time, looking at what America's doing. :P
But yeah I'm usually open-minded about others being interested in American politics and discussing it, just certain users taint my view.
Mass Shooting are rare hey? So I guess you are fine that you get one per year? And nothing should be done since the rest of the world has bans on guns and don't get these types of shootings? There is nothing "cute" about this man, people are dying. I don't understand how you can find excuses for nothing to be done. Violence in America is lower than in a lot of places. At least we don't have constant shootings like in Mexico or have trouble with violent Marxist terrorist groups like the FARC or like Peru had with the Shining Path or Italy had with the Red Brigades. I believe the US is second or third (in First World Countries) in the top Murder Rates by Country.[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]
So you concede then that alcohol is more deadly than guns? And a gun can kill, doesn't always. I shoot a target, I guess the target bleeds. Guns can also be equipped with rubber bullets, they can and have been used. Also, even if a gun is used to kill an animal, is that bad too now or? And no, we aren't handing out guns to people left and right, but your hyperbole is cute. Mass shootings are still rare in general context. But we can continue to knee-jerk our way into legislation.
whipassmt
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"] Oh look a non-American trying to talk crap about America.00-Riddick-00Where was I talking crap about the US? Please enlighten me. I even stated at the start "Without being racist". I was merely asking a question on how the people think over there since obviously I don't live there. If you can't answer, don't bother typing useless posts. Just saying what you were thinking. And I am not sure how "American" is a race.
By "Without being racist", I meant to avoid stupid posts like the one you had to create. Sorry if my English is not top notch, I know "American" isn't a race.
And NO, you aren't saying what I was thinking. I don't want to talk crap about the US, I have various friends over there. So STOP ASSUMING.
[QUOTE="whipassmt"]Violence in America is lower than in a lot of places. At least we don't have constant shootings like in Mexico or have trouble with violent Marxist terrorist groups like the FARC or like Peru had with the Shining Path or Italy had with the Red Brigades. I believe the US is second or third (in First World Countries) in the top Murder Rates by Country. Nope. 4.8 murder rate. They're actually waaaay down the list. 8th total murder amount though.[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Mass Shooting are rare hey? So I guess you are fine that you get one per year? And nothing should be done since the rest of the world has bans on guns and don't get these types of shootings? There is nothing "cute" about this man, people are dying. I don't understand how you can find excuses for nothing to be done.FelipeInside
[QUOTE="Slashless"]Don't throw all non-Americans under the bus just because Felipe has no idea what he's talking about. But yes he is a clown. Sure, someone asks a question about the US and they are a clown. Luckily, not all Americans are like you. Some actually took the time to respond and explain.I used to be okay with users who weren't from America talking about American politics.
But users like this clown have made me change my mind.
Ace6301
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Slashless"]Don't throw all non-Americans under the bus just because Felipe has no idea what he's talking about. But yes he is a clown. Sure, someone asks a question about the US and they are a clown. Luckily, not all Americans are like you. Some actually took the time to respond and explain. Nope not an American.I used to be okay with users who weren't from America talking about American politics.
But users like this clown have made me change my mind.
FelipeInside
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Don't throw all non-Americans under the bus just because Felipe has no idea what he's talking about. But yes he is a clown.Ace6301Sure, someone asks a question about the US and they are a clown. Luckily, not all Americans are like you. Some actually took the time to respond and explain. Nope not an American.
Then you have no place to respond here. I was asking a question to Americans.
Nope not an American.[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Sure, someone asks a question about the US and they are a clown. Luckily, not all Americans are like you. Some actually took the time to respond and explain.FelipeInside
Then you have no place to respond here. I was asking a question to Americans.
See this is why you're a clown.Nope not an American.[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Sure, someone asks a question about the US and they are a clown. Luckily, not all Americans are like you. Some actually took the time to respond and explain.FelipeInside
Then you have no place to respond here. I was asking a question to Americans.
Then how do you have a place to ask a question related to a place you do not live and probably never have been to?[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Nope not an American.00-Riddick-00
Then you have no place to respond here. I was asking a question to Americans.
Then how do you have a place to ask a question related to a place you do not live and probably never have been to?Go re-read my initial post if you have to.
I asked a question about how Americans think about the Constitution and changing it. A few explained about conservatives and how amendments work.
Yet you two just decided to insult me and call me names, and then I find out not even American.
For the last time, if you don't have nothing constructive or informative to say, then don't insult another poster just to get ur post count up.
Then how do you have a place to ask a question related to a place you do not live and probably never have been to?[QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]
Then you have no place to respond here. I was asking a question to Americans.
FelipeInside
Go re-read my initial post if you have to.
I asked a question about how Americans think about the Constitution and changing it. A few explained about conservatives and how amendments work.
Yet you two just decided to insult me and call me names, and then I find out not even American.
For the last time, if you don't have nothing constructive or informative to say, then don't insult another poster just to get ur post count up.
What? Call you names? When did I do that? And honestly, Some things of the constitution needed to be changed and were. But some things such as the 2nd amendment were put into place to keep the government in check. And the government trying to change the 2nd amendment will not sit well with most. Think about the past, how do dictators take over countries with little to no resistance? Take away the weapons. It really is not all that hard to come to a conclusion like this. Which is why I am trying to figure out why you even asked the question in the first place.[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="00-Riddick-00"] Then how do you have a place to ask a question related to a place you do not live and probably never have been to?00-Riddick-00
Go re-read my initial post if you have to.
I asked a question about how Americans think about the Constitution and changing it. A few explained about conservatives and how amendments work.
Yet you two just decided to insult me and call me names, and then I find out not even American.
For the last time, if you don't have nothing constructive or informative to say, then don't insult another poster just to get ur post count up.
What? Call you names? When did I do that? And honestly, Some things of the constitution needed to be changed and were. But some things such as the 2nd amendment were put into place to keep the government in check. And the government trying to change the 2nd amendment will not sit well with most. Think about the past, how do dictators take over countries with little to no resistance? Take away the weapons. It really is not all that hard to come to a conclusion like this. Which is why I am trying to figure out why you even asked the question in the first place. "Oh look a non-American trying to talk crap about America." Implying I was trying to talk crap about your country... which I take as insulting since I wasn't. The other dude called me clown. I personally think you have a problem with gun control over there. So does the rest of the World. If you don't agree, that's fine, u are entitled to that.Without being racist: Why do most Americans think the Constitution (which was written more than 200 years ago??) is the Holy Grail Bible of Everything? And that it must never be changed or modified to accommodate current situations? I understand it's very important.... but things change and it should be adapted to that change.FelipeInsideTo be blunt? Because in the U.S. the majority controls. We do have amendments but we try not to do it because keeping it taboo keeps it orderly. If it was common place to change the constitution to fit whatever the majority thinks is best at that time, then it be chaos. Most of the U.S. citizens obey the law, do try and promote a good atmosphere, and are up to compromise. But that can get cloudy just like anywhere else. We want to find a way to make it work, rather than throw it out. And if that ruins us, then we will deal with it.
[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]Post Count. Yes, because I really care a about my post count on a site I barely post on anymore.Sometimes, people are called mean names for good reason.
FelipeInside
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]Post Count. Yes, because I really care a about my post count on a site I barely post on anymore. Maybe not you, but some do. Honestly useless posts just to insult me when I was asking an honest question.Sometimes, people are called mean names for good reason.
00-Riddick-00
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Without being racist: Why do most Americans think the Constitution (which was written more than 200 years ago??) is the Holy Grail Bible of Everything? And that it must never be changed or modified to accommodate current situations? I understand it's very important.... but things change and it should be adapted to that change.CreasianDevailiTo be blunt? Because in the U.S. the majority controls. We do have amendments but we try not to do it because keeping it taboo keeps it orderly. If it was common place to change the constitution to fit whatever the majority thinks is best at that time, then it be chaos. Most of the U.S. citizens obey the law, do try and promote a good atmosphere, and are up to compromise. But that can get cloudy just like anywhere else. We want to find a way to make it work, rather than throw it out. And if that ruins us, then we will deal with it. Thank you for explaining it without looking more into my post. I'm just worried mostly about the "ease" as how people can get a hand on guns. Is there a way to control that more?
You should probably learn to contribute something constructive or interesting to the topic, broski.>implying anyone gives a flying fvck about post counts
You should prob get out more, broski.
coolbeans90
While we're on the subject of laughably impossible plans, how go your efforts to bring Elijah Wood into the public spotlight as a contender for the 2016 presidential election, Lai?Blood-ScribeLoves a leftist. Loves a movie series where selfless acts are what saves the world and selfish individuals are shown to be the bane of goodness. Oh Lai you're so confused.
[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]You should probably learn to contribute something constructive or interesting to the topic, broski. Hi, are you new here?>implying anyone gives a flying fvck about post counts
You should prob get out more, broski.
FelipeInside
>implying anyone gives a flying fvck about post counts
You should prob get out more, broski.
coolbeans90
Thank you for explaining it without looking more into my post. I'm just worried mostly about the "ease" as how people can get a hand on guns. Is there a way to control that more?FelipeInsideThere is no way to control the ease of obtaining a firearm without removing the privacy of everyone in the private market, or an outright and impossible ban. We do not have the infrastructure, both technologically or ethically, to make a streamlined background check system that can be used easily and freely by everyone. Flea markets are big junctions of private sellers in the U.S. Venders are checked but not the buyers. We have no system in place to do on the spot, and accurate, checks. Even if we did you need to supply information such as your Social Security number to run it. You make another problem that way. Actually from statistics our gun violence has gone down in many places. It is just that a gun is a way for people to get attention right now. Even if we removed our guns, it wouldn't solve that. That is a social issue that is going to take a lot more than just removing a tool. Mental health, quality of living, individualism vs socialism, and more needs looked at and improved.
so what exactly has he done to deserve impeachment?Obama has no respect for the constitution. Ever since he was inaugurated he has used every legal loophole he can to get around the limitations placed on his office by the constitution, rather than simply work within them as the founders of this country intended. His presidency has been criminal and he should be impeached. The only two congressmen who would even dare to consider that (Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich) are gone now. That is why is it time to show the rest of congress that we will not put up with his increasingly unchecked authority anymore.
There are 19 states that allow recall elections of state officials: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Louisianna, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington, and Wisconsin.
All that is needed to initiate a recall election is a petition signed by at least 25% as many people as voted for that official in his previous election. That should not be difficult to achieve unless a congressman or senator won his previous election by a landslide. If everyone who voted against him petitioned for a recall election, then that would generally be easily enough to initiate one.
Most of congress is not even trying to keep Obama in check. Their job is to keep him in check. If they cannot do that, they should be recalled. If they refuse to consider impeaching Obama, they should be recalled. We need to organize a movement to initiate recall elections for every senator and congressman from those 19 states who do not publicly call for his impeachment.
Once recall elections start happening across the country that will make congress understand that we will not put up with them not doing their jobs anymore. That they must follow the constitution and the original intent of its writers, or find a new job.
Laihendi
[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]While we're on the subject of laughably impossible plans, how go your efforts to bring Elijah Wood into the public spotlight as a contender for the 2016 presidential election, Lai?Ace6301Loves a leftist. Loves a movie series where selfless acts are what saves the world and selfish individuals are shown to be the bane of goodness. Oh Lai you're so confused.The heroes of LOTR acted in their self-interest. The problem with Sauron, Saruman, etc. isn't that they are selfish, but that they do not recognize or respect the rights of others. They were authoritarians, and authoritarianism is evil. Also you cannot know Elijah's political orientation because he has never publicly endorsed a politician or candidate for political office. The best we have are his opinions on marijuana laws, which are in line with libertarian views. Anyways I have reserved tumblr and twitter url's for the movement to draft him into running, but considering how far off the election is I am not going to be active with them for a while. Maybe I will start this summer.
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]While we're on the subject of laughably impossible plans, how go your efforts to bring Elijah Wood into the public spotlight as a contender for the 2016 presidential election, Lai?LaihendiLoves a leftist. Loves a movie series where selfless acts are what saves the world and selfish individuals are shown to be the bane of goodness. Oh Lai you're so confused.The heroes of LOTR acted in their self-interest. The problem with Sauron, Saruman, etc. isn't that they are selfish, but that they do not recognize or respect the rights of others. They were authoritarians, and authoritarianism is evil. Also you cannot know Elijah's political orientation because he has never publicly endorsed a politician or candidate for political office. The best we have are his opinions on marijuana laws, which are in line with libertarian views. Anyways I have reserved tumblr and twitter url's for the movement to draft him into running, but considering how far off the election is I am not going to be active with them for a while. Maybe I will start this summer. Actually it's explicitly stated that what makes the heroes heroes is their willingness to act against their own self-interest for the good of others. Sauron is a completely archetypical villain driven by ambition and greed while the heroes are classic heroes driven by selflessness. It's explicitly stated that Saurons lust of power is what drove him from his original goal of creating an order on Middle-Earth to prevent chaos from reigning supreme. Sauron was originally an angel but his greed and ambition corrupted him and he viewed humans and the other races as just a means to an end. To him they had no rights as they couldn't know the things he knew or have the power he held and as such they were just objects to him. Also Sam is completely selfless as his defining character trait and is constantly shown as the most heroic character.
All it takes is a simple majority from the house for him to be impeached. After that it is 2 thirds from the senate for him to be removed from office. Considering the republicans are the majority in the house, it is quite possible for him to be impeached if they decided to do it. It is true that he probably would not be removed from office due to the democrats having a majority in the senate, but his impeachment would still make for a strong political statement. It would show that he is being held accountable for his actions as president.I don't think Laihendi's plan would succeed, at least not yet. It requires a 2/3rd vote of the House to bring impeachment charges against the president, and a 2/3rd vote of the Senate to convict the president and remove him from office. Impeachment can only be used if the president commits crimes, not if his policies are bad.
Moreover I don't think the American people would recall their senators and representatives for not impeaching Obama, considering Obama just recently got re-elected. Now if Obama were to commit any crime in his upcoming term, and members of congress still refused to try impeachment, then maybe Laihendi's plan could come into fruition.
whipassmt
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Thank you for explaining it without looking more into my post. I'm just worried mostly about the "ease" as how people can get a hand on guns. Is there a way to control that more?CreasianDevailiThere is no way to control the ease of obtaining a firearm without removing the privacy of everyone in the private market, or an outright and impossible ban. We do not have the infrastructure, both technologically or ethically, to make a streamlined background check system that can be used easily and freely by everyone. Flea markets are big junctions of private sellers in the U.S. Venders are checked but not the buyers. We have no system in place to do on the spot, and accurate, checks. Even if we did you need to supply information such as your Social Security number to run it. You make another problem that way. Actually from statistics our gun violence has gone down in many places. It is just that a gun is a way for people to get attention right now. Even if we removed our guns, it wouldn't solve that. That is a social issue that is going to take a lot more than just removing a tool. Mental health, quality of living, individualism vs socialism, and more needs looked at and improved. I understand. It's a difficult situation, but surely Americans realize that SOMETHING has to be done, or has to happen. I agree it goes down deeper than just guns (the whole social issue you explained), but it can't be coincidence that the US has a very open gun policy and it's also the country with the most amount of mass shootings in that aspect? They have to be related somewhat.
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