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Out of the 1.2 billion muslims in the world? Not many, snipes... In 5 years? Compared to 2 billion it would not be many, how about the last 15 or 20 years. I think you'll see the numbers to be a little closer.[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] "A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?Snipes_2
Why are you trying so hard to prove that a big chunk of the Muslim population are extremists?
What's the point of a post like this? Why can't we just acknowledge that the extremists need to be stopped?
In 5 years? Compared to 2 billion it would not be many, how about the last 15 or 20 years. I think you'll see the numbers to be a little closer.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Out of the 1.2 billion muslims in the world? Not many, snipes...worlock77
Even if it were a million that's still a fraction out of 1.2 billion.
You realize your arguing over 1 million lives taken? What other religion (Extremists) has taken THAT many lives in such a short span of time?In 5 years? Compared to 2 billion it would not be many, how about the last 15 or 20 years. I think you'll see the numbers to be a little closer.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Out of the 1.2 billion muslims in the world? Not many, snipes...GreySeal9
Why are you trying so hard to prove that a big chunk of the Muslim population are extremists?
What's the point of a post like this? Why can't we just acknowledge that the extremists need to be stopped?
They do need to be stopped, more will rise up though. There's no way to completely eliminate them.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] In 5 years? Compared to 2 billion it would not be many, how about the last 15 or 20 years. I think you'll see the numbers to be a little closer.
Snipes_2
Even if it were a million that's still a fraction out of 1.2 billion.
You realize your arguing over 1 million lives taken? What other religion (Extremists) has taken THAT many lives in such a short span of time?Why are you trying so hard to demonize Islam?
So in the last 20 years how many people do you think muslims have killed then, give or take? :| Keeping in mind that you're saying the actions of these people are indicative of the religion as a whole, and 1.2 billion people follow said religion.In 5 years? Compared to 2 billion it would not be many, how about the last 15 or 20 years. I think you'll see the numbers to be a little closer.
Snipes_2
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] In 5 years? Compared to 2 billion it would not be many, how about the last 15 or 20 years. I think you'll see the numbers to be a little closer.
Snipes_2
Why are you trying so hard to prove that a big chunk of the Muslim population are extremists?
What's the point of a post like this? Why can't we just acknowledge that the extremists need to be stopped?
They do need to be stopped, more will rise up though. There's no way to completely eliminate them.You avoided my question. Why are you trying so hard to make it look like a big chunk of Muslims are extremists?
They do need to be stopped, more will rise up though. There's no way to completely eliminate them.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
Why are you trying so hard to prove that a big chunk of the Muslim population are extremists?
What's the point of a post like this? Why can't we just acknowledge that the extremists need to be stopped?
GreySeal9
You avoided my question. Why are you trying so hard to make it look like a big chunk of Muslims are extremists?
Either you have misinterpreted my posts or...I don't know. Where did I state a large portion of Muslims were Extremists?[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]So in the last 20 years how many people do you think muslims have killed then, give or take? :| Keeping in mind that you're saying the actions of these people are indicative of the religion as a whole, and 1.2 billion people follow said religion. No, I'm not saying it's indicative of everyone that follows the religion...I posted a link that you can read. I would say at least a few hundred thousand or a Million people have been killed worldwide in the past 20 years.In 5 years? Compared to 2 billion it would not be many, how about the last 15 or 20 years. I think you'll see the numbers to be a little closer.
Ninja-Hippo
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] They do need to be stopped, more will rise up though. There's no way to completely eliminate them. Snipes_2
You avoided my question. Why are you trying so hard to make it look like a big chunk of Muslims are extremists?
Either you have misinterpreted my posts or...I don't know. Where did I state a large portion of Muslims were Extremists?You've been heavily implying it for several pages. If you deny it you're a liar.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]Either you have misinterpreted my posts or...I don't know. Where did I state a large portion of Muslims were Extremists?You've been heavily implying it for several pages. If you deny it you're a liar. The inevitable post trying to tell me what I mean by my own posts...You avoided my question. Why are you trying so hard to make it look like a big chunk of Muslims are extremists?
ohdearohdear
[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] In 5 years? Compared to 2 billion it would not be many, how about the last 15 or 20 years. I think you'll see the numbers to be a little closer.
Snipes_2
Even if it were a million that's still a fraction out of 1.2 billion.
You realize your arguing over 1 million lives taken? What other religion (Extremists) has taken THAT many lives in such a short span of time?No, you're implying that most Muslims are terrorists. You asked how many suicide bombing there have been over the past couple of decades and I pointed out that even if it were a million that would still be a small number compared to the number of Muslims in the world.
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I didn't equate Muslims as a whole to extremists :? Now where's that shovel... :"try to answer with a shred of intellectual honesty i" The irony...is...unbearable... So, now lives are cheap? We shouldn't take into account the lives taken by this "Relatively Small" number of "Extremists". Snipes_2
Yes, you are generalizing. It is apparent from your general argument. That's why you are arguing with me right now. We could both agree that the extremists don't account for the millions of Muslims yet you keep trying to throw these little "but what about all the lives they took?" sort of BS.
I never said lives were cheap. There goes the dishonesty again. I said that a relatively small amount of Muslims can take a whole bunch of lives, so your attempt to use the amount of lives taken to say something about Islam is irrelevant. Your attempt to to try to make it look like a said that lives are cheap is deeply dishonest.
What is the point of talking about how many lives they took? Nobody's arguing that big amounts of lives were taken? But again, extremists/=/whole. You seem to not be able to agree with that notion or if you do, you're sure doing a lot of unneccessary arguing.
So what conclusion are you trying to arrive at with the point about the amount of lives?
No, You're arguing the number is "Relatively Small", while I'm arguing that they have taken many lives no matter how small a number they are. Uhh"Your bit about how many lives were taken is irrelevant and cheap." Stop saying I'm dishonest, you're not getting anywhere with that, since I'm clearly not, as you can see by this quote from your post. Again the irony, I never said Extremists represented EVERYONE In the religion...I call a spade and spade, so I'm not going to make an exception when it comes to you.
You tried to spin my comment about the number of lives into calling lives "cheap." That is dishonest and I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
You never said explicitly that extremists represent the whole, but your comments have implicit generalizations in them. You do realize that some of us recognize subtlety, right?
You realize your arguing over 1 million lives taken? What other religion (Extremists) has taken THAT many lives in such a short span of time?[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
Even if it were a million that's still a fraction out of 1.2 billion.
worlock77
No, you're implying that most Muslims are terrorists. You asked how many suicide bombing there have been over the past couple of decades and I pointed out that even if it were a million that would still be a small number compared to the number of Muslims in the world.
No, I'm implying no such thing :?Well that's fair Snipes, but i have to ask, what exactly was your point then in asserting all the deaths which have been caused by muslims?The inevitable post trying to tell me what I mean by my own posts...
Snipes_2
No, You're arguing the number is "Relatively Small", while I'm arguing that they have taken many lives no matter how small a number they are. Uhh"Your bit about how many lives were taken is irrelevant and cheap." Stop saying I'm dishonest, you're not getting anywhere with that, since I'm clearly not, as you can see by this quote from your post. Again the irony, I never said Extremists represented EVERYONE In the religion...[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
Yes, you are generalizing. It is apparent from your general argument. That's why you are arguing with me right now. We could both agree that the extremists don't account for the millions of Muslims yet you keep trying to throw these little "but what about all the lives they took?" sort of BS.
I never said lives were cheap. There goes the dishonesty again. I said that a relatively small amount of Muslims can take a whole bunch of lives, so your attempt to use the amount of lives taken to say something about Islam is irrelevant. Your attempt to to try to make it look like a said that lives are cheap is deeply dishonest.
What is the point of talking about how many lives they took? Nobody's arguing that big amounts of lives were taken? But again, extremists/=/whole. You seem to not be able to agree with that notion or if you do, you're sure doing a lot of unneccessary arguing.
So what conclusion are you trying to arrive at with the point about the amount of lives?
GreySeal9
I call a spade and spade, so I'm not going to make an exception when it comes to you.
You tried to spin my comment about the number of lives into calling lives "cheap." That is dishonest and I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
You never said explicitly that extremists represent the whole, but your comments have implicit generalizations in them. You do realize that some of us recognize subtlety, right?
You realize some of you responding have misinterpreted my posts before right, attempting to find your own reasoning in them? I copied and pasted your quote, you said ""Your bit about how many lives were taken is irrelevant and cheap.""[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] In 5 years? Compared to 2 billion it would not be many, how about the last 15 or 20 years. I think you'll see the numbers to be a little closer.
Snipes_2
Even if it were a million that's still a fraction out of 1.2 billion.
You realize your arguing over 1 million lives taken? What other religion (Extremists) has taken THAT many lives in such a short span of time?I'm sure any extremist could take that many lives. Christianity just doesn't have a Taliban scale operation.
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] They do need to be stopped, more will rise up though. There's no way to completely eliminate them. Snipes_2
You avoided my question. Why are you trying so hard to make it look like a big chunk of Muslims are extremists?
Either you have misinterpreted my posts or...I don't know. Where did I state a large portion of Muslims were Extremists?I say that because every time we try to settle on "the extremists are bad, but there is a small amount of them", you argue, even going as far as to falliciously site the number of lives taken.
Why would you do this if you're not trying to imply a large amount are extremists?
[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] In 5 years? Compared to 2 billion it would not be many, how about the last 15 or 20 years. I think you'll see the numbers to be a little closer.
Snipes_2
Even if it were a million that's still a fraction out of 1.2 billion.
You realize your arguing over 1 million lives taken? What other religion (Extremists) has taken THAT many lives in such a short span of time? Christianity, for one.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Well that's fair Snipes, but i have to ask, what exactly was your point then in asserting all the deaths which have been caused by muslims? Muslim Extremists I pointed out. Since someone said they were a "Relatively Small" number.The inevitable post trying to tell me what I mean by my own posts...
Ninja-Hippo
You realize your arguing over 1 million lives taken? What other religion (Extremists) has taken THAT many lives in such a short span of time? Christians, for one. Links please? I knew someone would say Christians.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
Even if it were a million that's still a fraction out of 1.2 billion.
jaydough
You think a million people have been killed in the last 20 years by muslim extremists in the name of islam? Can you tell me the conflicts then in which such vast death tolls were accumulated? Further, if i told you that America has killed over 100,000 civilian muslims in Iraq over the last eight years would you think it fair of me to demonize all of America and its people because of that? After all, 100,000 dead by a country with around 300 million people is a vastly larger ratio than 1 million at the hands of 1.2 BILLION Muslims, dont you think? We're just using the same logic here.No, I'm not saying it's indicative of everyone that follows the religion...I posted a link that you can read. I would say at least a few hundred thousand or a Million people have been killed worldwide in the past 20 years.
Snipes_2
[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You realize your arguing over 1 million lives taken? What other religion (Extremists) has taken THAT many lives in such a short span of time?Snipes_2
No, you're implying that most Muslims are terrorists. You asked how many suicide bombing there have been over the past couple of decades and I pointed out that even if it were a million that would still be a small number compared to the number of Muslims in the world.
No, I'm implying no such thing :?Yeah, you are. You must take the rest of us for simpletons if you think we can't spot the subtile implications in your posts.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Well that's fair Snipes, but i have to ask, what exactly was your point then in asserting all the deaths which have been caused by muslims? Muslim Extremists I pointed out. Since someone said they were a "Relatively Small" number. I'm pretty sure the guy was implying it was a small number compared to the general population..The inevitable post trying to tell me what I mean by my own posts...
Snipes_2
Either you have misinterpreted my posts or...I don't know. Where did I state a large portion of Muslims were Extremists?[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
You avoided my question. Why are you trying so hard to make it look like a big chunk of Muslims are extremists?
GreySeal9
I say that because every time we try to settle on "the extremists are bad, but there is a small amount of them", you argue, even going as far as to falliciously site the number of lives taken.
Why would you do this if you're not trying to imply a large amount are extremists?
You didn't read my link did you...IF you're not going to look at what I post, why continue arguing over this point? Please, Tell me how the number is "Fallacious" since I never posted an Exact number in the first place?[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Well that's fair Snipes, but i have to ask, what exactly was your point then in asserting all the deaths which have been caused by muslims? Muslim Extremists I pointed out. Since someone said they were a "Relatively Small" number. And they are a relatively small number. :| There are 1.2 BILLION muslims in the world. Are you seriously going to say that terrorists make up even a tiny glimmer of that population?The inevitable post trying to tell me what I mean by my own posts...
Snipes_2
[QUOTE="jaydough"]Christians, for one. Links please? I knew someone would say Christians. Some Catholic extremists killed ~6,000,000 Jews, in case you've forgotten.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You realize your arguing over 1 million lives taken? What other religion (Extremists) has taken THAT many lives in such a short span of time?Snipes_2
Links please? I knew someone would say Christians. Some Catholic extremists killed ~6,000,000 Jews, in case you've forgotten. You're trying to say Catholic Extremists caused the Holocaust :?[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="jaydough"] Christians, for one.
jaydough
Further, if i told you that America has killed over 100,000 civilian muslims in Iraq over the last eight yearsNinja-HippoSource?
[QUOTE="jaydough"]Some Catholic extremists killed ~6,000,000 Jews, in case you've forgotten. You're trying to say Catholic Extremists caused the Holocaust :? Well, yeah. Hitler was a Catholic and justified his behavior with his version of Catholicism.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Links please? I knew someone would say Christians. Snipes_2
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] No, You're arguing the number is "Relatively Small", while I'm arguing that they have taken many lives no matter how small a number they are. Uhh"Your bit about how many lives were taken is irrelevant and cheap." Stop saying I'm dishonest, you're not getting anywhere with that, since I'm clearly not, as you can see by this quote from your post. Again the irony, I never said Extremists represented EVERYONE In the religion...Snipes_2
I call a spade and spade, so I'm not going to make an exception when it comes to you.
You tried to spin my comment about the number of lives into calling lives "cheap." That is dishonest and I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
You never said explicitly that extremists represent the whole, but your comments have implicit generalizations in them. You do realize that some of us recognize subtlety, right?
You realize some of you responding have misinterpreted my posts before right, attempting to find your own reasoning in them? I copied and pasted your quote, you said ""Your bit about how many lives were taken is irrelevant and cheap.""I said that your point was cheap, you tried to spin it as me saying lives are cheap.
I'm not misrepresenting your post. Every time we've said that the extremists are a small number, you've gone out of your way to argue, even using the cheap tactic of equating lives taken to number of extremists when a small amount of people are capable of talking tons of lives.
Why would you do this if you didn't have some vested interest in inflating the number of extremists?
You're trying to say Catholic Extremists caused the Holocaust :? Well, yeah. Hitler was a Catholic and justified his behavior with his version of Catholicism. Links?[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="jaydough"] Some Catholic extremists killed ~6,000,000 Jews, in case you've forgotten.
jaydough
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] "A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?Snipes_2
I don't know how many, but I know its a small number relative to the millions of Muslims out there.
Why are you trying to defend a cheap generalization?
Take into account the number of extremists and the amount of lives they have taken...Thousands just in 9/11 alone.Why should he take that into account? Just because the actions of the few have claimed the lives of many doesnt mean a thing about the whole population of which those few are part of; Muslims. Because they killed many, then they count for many? Thats an extraordinary logic there Snipes.[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Either you have misinterpreted my posts or...I don't know. Where did I state a large portion of Muslims were Extremists?Snipes_2
I say that because every time we try to settle on "the extremists are bad, but there is a small amount of them", you argue, even going as far as to falliciously site the number of lives taken.
Why would you do this if you're not trying to imply a large amount are extremists?
You didn't read my link did you...IF you're not going to look at what I post, why continue arguing over this point? Please, Tell me how the number is "Fallacious" since I never posted an Exact number in the first place?I didn't say your number was fallicious.
I said the act of citing the number of lives was taken was fallicious.
You realize some of you responding have misinterpreted my posts before right, attempting to find your own reasoning in them? I copied and pasted your quote, you said ""Your bit about how many lives were taken is irrelevant and cheap.""[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
I call a spade and spade, so I'm not going to make an exception when it comes to you.
You tried to spin my comment about the number of lives into calling lives "cheap." That is dishonest and I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
You never said explicitly that extremists represent the whole, but your comments have implicit generalizations in them. You do realize that some of us recognize subtlety, right?
GreySeal9
I said that your point was cheap, you tried to spin it as me saying lives are cheap.
I'm not misrepresenting your post. Every time we've said that the extremists are a small number, you've gone out of your way to argue, even using the cheap tactic of equating lives taken to number of extremists when a small amount of people are capable of talking tons of lives.
Why would you do this if you didn't have some vested interest in inflating the number of extremists?
You keep saying there's a "Small Number of Extremists", while compared to the overall Muslim population there is, how do you know how large or small the number is? You should have specified that you were referring to the point I was making.[QUOTE="jaydough"]. You're trying to say Catholic Extremists caused the Holocaust :?What, you think it was a coincidence that Austria and Germany were two of the most strongly Catholic countries in Europe at a time when the Catholic Church held the Jews collectively responsible for deicide, and that Hitler grew up in a Catholic family? Heh.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Links please? I knew someone would say Christians. Snipes_2
[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Further, if i told you that America has killed over 100,000 civilian muslims in Iraq over the last eight yearsohdearohdearSource? The same source as the other thread like five minutes ago. :?
You didn't read my link did you...IF you're not going to look at what I post, why continue arguing over this point? Please, Tell me how the number is "Fallacious" since I never posted an Exact number in the first place?[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
I say that because every time we try to settle on "the extremists are bad, but there is a small amount of them", you argue, even going as far as to falliciously site the number of lives taken.
Why would you do this if you're not trying to imply a large amount are extremists?
GreySeal9
I didn't say your number was fallicious.
I said the act of citing the number of lives was taken was fallicious.
Why is citing the number of lives taken Fallacious. It's simple addition, find cases where Muslim (Extremists)have bombed and killed people in the world and Add them together to get a pretty accurate number.Please Log In to post.
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