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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Of course it is, 1.2 billion is a lot of people. Snipes_2So if you agree with this assertion why did you argue against it? I was arguing over the amount of lives taken, not the overall population...
Now you're trying to revise what happened in this thread. But it's not going to work.
You started talking about the number of lives in response to comments saying that the number of extremists is small.
Nobody was saying that the number of lives taken was small. So why would you need to argue about that? That doesn't wash.
[QUOTE="jaydough"]Well, yeah. Hitler was a Catholic and justified his behavior with his version of Catholicism. Links? Really? You don't believe Hitler was a catholic extremist?[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You're trying to say Catholic Extremists caused the Holocaust :?Snipes_2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You didn't read my link did you...IF you're not going to look at what I post, why continue arguing over this point? Please, Tell me how the number is "Fallacious" since I never posted an Exact number in the first place? Snipes_2
I didn't say your number was fallicious.
I said the act of citing the number of lives was taken was fallicious.
Why is citing the number of lives taken Fallacious. It's simple addition, find cases where Muslim (Extremists)have bombed and killed people in the world and Add them together to get a pretty accurate number. Simple addition but fallacious. When you count the extremist individuals in order to determine what percentage of the Muslim population they make up, you count the extremist individuals, not the people they killed as well.[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Further, if i told you that America has killed over 100,000 civilian muslims in Iraq over the last eight yearsNinja-HippoSource? The same source as the other thread like five minutes ago. :? I don't recall - it wasn't Iraq Body Count by any chance, was it?
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="jaydough"] .You're trying to say Catholic Extremists caused the Holocaust :?What, you think it was a coincidence that Austria and Germany were two of the most strongly Catholic countries in Europe at a time when the Catholic Church held the Jews collectively responsible for deicide, and that Hitler grew up in a Catholic family? Heh. I can't believe people are trying to say the Holocaust was perpetrated by Catholicism...Wow. So, Now I can definitively say 9/11 was caused by Muslims?ohdearohdear
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You didn't read my link did you...IF you're not going to look at what I post, why continue arguing over this point? Please, Tell me how the number is "Fallacious" since I never posted an Exact number in the first place? Snipes_2
I didn't say your number was fallicious.
I said the act of citing the number of lives was taken was fallicious.
Why is citing the number of lives taken Fallacious. It's simple addition, find cases where Muslim (Extremists)have bombed and killed people in the world and Add them together to get a pretty accurate number.Jesus Christ.
If you had read my previous posts, I'm saying that citing the number is fallicious because it has nothing to do with the number of extremists as a small amount of people can take a ton of lives.
I'm saying that your citing of the number of lives taken is irrelevant to the number of extremists. I don't know how to state this any clearer.
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]Why is citing the number of lives taken Fallacious. It's simple addition, find cases where Muslim (Extremists)have bombed and killed people in the world and Add them together to get a pretty accurate number. Simple addition but fallacious. When you count the extremist individuals in order to determine what percentage of the Muslim population they make up, you count the extremist individuals, not the people they killed as well. That wasn't the point I was making so...I already stated compared to the supposed 1.2 billion followers extremists wouldn't make up a large percentage.I didn't say your number was fallicious.
I said the act of citing the number of lives was taken was fallicious.
Teenaged
[QUOTE="Maniacc1"]Hmm this is interesting. Although I think free speech will always win.worlock77
Free speech isn't absolute, nor does it win when that speech is in violation of the law.
I think it'd be hard to stop it in this situation though. After all, when a city in a local Jewish town refused to administer a parade permit (they marched anyway, making it illegal) to a KKK clan, the courts upheld their freedom of speech.What, you think it was a coincidence that Austria and Germany were two of the most strongly Catholic countries in Europe at a time when the Catholic Church held the Jews collectively responsible for deicide, and that Hitler grew up in a Catholic family? Heh. I can't believe people are trying to say the Holocaust was perpetrated by Catholicism...Wow. So, Now I can definitively say 9/11 was caused by Muslims? No, we're saying catholic extremists perpetrated the holocaust. The church itself, not really.[QUOTE="ohdearohdear"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You're trying to say Catholic Extremists caused the Holocaust :?Snipes_2
It's literally the exact same logic you are using to pin the crimes of terrorists on the people of Islam.I can't believe people are trying to say the Holocaust was perpetrated by Catholicism...Wow. So, Now I can definitively say 9/11 was caused by Muslims?
Snipes_2
You're trying to say Catholic Extremists caused the Holocaust :? Well, yeah. Hitler was a Catholic and justified his behavior with his version of Catholicism.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="jaydough"] Some Catholic extremists killed ~6,000,000 Jews, in case you've forgotten.
jaydough
Ehh, not quite. Hitler used Christianity in as much as it helped further him and his party. By 1940 however he spoke disdainfully of it, calling it "a Jewish dogma".
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I was arguing over the amount of lives taken, not the overall population...Ninja-HippoReally? Because that's not what you said at all: He said there are very few extremists. You said: "A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?" You are clearly challenging him on the number of extremists. You make no mention at all of lives.
Yep.
He's trying to revise the history of this thread.
Why is citing the number of lives taken Fallacious. It's simple addition, find cases where Muslim (Extremists)have bombed and killed people in the world and Add them together to get a pretty accurate number.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
I didn't say your number was fallicious.
I said the act of citing the number of lives was taken was fallicious.
GreySeal9
Jesus Christ.
If you had read my previous posts, I'm saying that citing the number is fallicious because it has nothing to do with the number of extremists as a small amount of people can take a ton of lives.
I'm saying that your citing of the number of lives taken is irrelevant to the number of extremists. I don't know how to state this any clearer.
How is the number of lives taken not comparable to the number of extremists. You don't know how many extremists there are, whereas I posted a link stating how many People were killed by Extremists over a time period.
Here's another one:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
That wasn't the point I was making so...I already stated compared to the supposed 1.2 billion followers extremists wouldn't make up a large percentage.Snipes_2
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]I don't know how many, but I know its a small number relative to the millions of Muslims out there. Why are you trying to defend a cheap generalization?Snipes_2Take into account the number of extremists and the amount of lives they have taken...Thousands just in 9/11 alone. Oh I see..... Then your response to GreySeal was deviating from his point. ....or that is exactly the point you tried to make to avoid answering.
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]It's literally the exact same logic you are using to pin the crimes of terrorists on the people of Islam. I was not "Pinning" anything on the People...I can't believe people are trying to say the Holocaust was perpetrated by Catholicism...Wow. So, Now I can definitively say 9/11 was caused by Muslims?
Ninja-Hippo
Yet that was literally the exact opposite of what you said to begin with. He said there were few extremists, to which you replied 'A few?' and then asked him how many terrorists plots there have been lately. How is that claiming that there are more than a relatively few number of extremists? How can you say that this was not what you were arguing when that it is *literally* the exact words you said?That wasn't the point I was making so...I already stated compared to the supposed 1.2 billion followers extremists wouldn't make up a large percentage.
Snipes_2
Really? Because that's not what you said at all: He said there are very few extremists. You said: "A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?" You are clearly challenging him on the number of extremists. You make no mention at all of lives.[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] I was arguing over the amount of lives taken, not the overall population...GreySeal9
Yep.
He's trying to revise the history of this thread.
You would like that wouldn't you? Too bad it's not the case because again, you're going on what you think I meant by my own post...""A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?" " This obviously doesn't make any mention of a large number of extremists making up the entire population of the Muslim Religion.[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Why is citing the number of lives taken Fallacious. It's simple addition, find cases where Muslim (Extremists)have bombed and killed people in the world and Add them together to get a pretty accurate number. Snipes_2
Jesus Christ.
If you had read my previous posts, I'm saying that citing the number is fallicious because it has nothing to do with the number of extremists as a small amount of people can take a ton of lives.
I'm saying that your citing of the number of lives taken is irrelevant to the number of extremists. I don't know how to state this any clearer.
How is the number of lives taken not comparable to the number of extremists. You don't know how many extremists there are, whereas I posted a link stating how many People were killed by Extremists over a time period.
Here's another one:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
I'm not reading your stupid irrelevant links.
What I am saying is that a small amount of people can kill a large amount of people, thus the amount of being killed has no bearing on the number of extremists.
What is difficult to understand about that?
they'll find a way around it somehow or do it illegallymayforcebeyouWell, you know it would be deliciously ironic if they violated the ordinance and then their church caught on fire as a result or something. :lol:
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Why is citing the number of lives taken Fallacious. It's simple addition, find cases where Muslim (Extremists)have bombed and killed people in the world and Add them together to get a pretty accurate number. Snipes_2
Jesus Christ.
If you had read my previous posts, I'm saying that citing the number is fallicious because it has nothing to do with the number of extremists as a small amount of people can take a ton of lives.
I'm saying that your citing of the number of lives taken is irrelevant to the number of extremists. I don't know how to state this any clearer.
How is the number of lives taken not comparable to the number of extremists. You don't know how many extremists there are, whereas I posted a link stating how many People were killed by Extremists over a time period.
Here's another one:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
I like how minutes ago you told me that wasnt your point while now you continue to defend it.... :?[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Really? Because that's not what you said at all: He said there are very few extremists. You said: "A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?" You are clearly challenging him on the number of extremists. You make no mention at all of lives. Snipes_2
Yep.
He's trying to revise the history of this thread.
You would like that wouldn't you? Too bad it's not the case because again, you're going on what you think I meant by my own post...""A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?" " This obviously doesn't make any mention of a large number of extremists making up the entire population of the Muslim Religion. Then your response was utterly irrelevant.[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Really? Because that's not what you said at all: He said there are very few extremists. You said: "A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?" You are clearly challenging him on the number of extremists. You make no mention at all of lives. Snipes_2
Yep.
He's trying to revise the history of this thread.
You would like that wouldn't you? Too bad it's not the case because again, you're going on what you think I meant by my own post...""A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?" " This obviously doesn't make any mention of a large number of extremists making up the entire population of the Muslim Religion.Yes it does. Ninja-Hippo's post stated that the amount of extremists is small. Your post challenged that assertion by trying to falliciously equate number of lives taken with number of extremists.
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
Jesus Christ.
If you had read my previous posts, I'm saying that citing the number is fallicious because it has nothing to do with the number of extremists as a small amount of people can take a ton of lives.
I'm saying that your citing of the number of lives taken is irrelevant to the number of extremists. I don't know how to state this any clearer.
Teenaged
How is the number of lives taken not comparable to the number of extremists. You don't know how many extremists there are, whereas I posted a link stating how many People were killed by Extremists over a time period.
Here's another one:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
I like how minutes ago you told me that wasnt your point while now you continue to defend it.... :? Defend the point of how many people were killed by extremists? Which is what I said my point was?You would like that wouldn't you? Too bad it's not the case because again, you're going on what you think I meant by my own post...""A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?" " This obviously doesn't make any mention of a large number of extremists making up the entire population of the Muslim Religion.[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]
Yep.
He's trying to revise the history of this thread.
GreySeal9
Yes it does. Ninja-Hippo's post stated that the amount of extremists is small. Your post challenged that assertion by trying to falliciously equate number of lives taken with number of extremists.
The sentence I posted states there are a large number of Extremists compared to the overall Muslim Population :?[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"]I like how minutes ago you told me that wasnt your point while now you continue to defend it.... :? Defend the point of how many people were killed by extremists? Which is what I said my point was?How is the number of lives taken not comparable to the number of extremists. You don't know how many extremists there are, whereas I posted a link stating how many People were killed by Extremists over a time period.
Here's another one:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Snipes_2
Why are you making that point? What is the intention behind that point?
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]You would like that wouldn't you? Too bad it's not the case because again, you're going on what you think I meant by my own post...""A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?" " No, It wasn't. Like I've been saying, it's to point out the number of extremists and the amount of lives they have taken. This obviously doesn't make any mention of a large number of extremists making up the entire population of the Muslim Religion. Then your response was utterly irrelevant.Yep.
He's trying to revise the history of this thread.
Teenaged
No it wasn't. IT was pointing out the number of lives taken by extremists.
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You would like that wouldn't you? Too bad it's not the case because again, you're going on what you think I meant by my own post...""A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?" " This obviously doesn't make any mention of a large number of extremists making up the entire population of the Muslim Religion. Snipes_2
Yes it does. Ninja-Hippo's post stated that the amount of extremists is small. Your post challenged that assertion by trying to falliciously equate number of lives taken with number of extremists.
The sentence I posted states there are a large number of Extremists compared to the overall Muslim Population :?He said that there is a small amount and instead of agreeing, you argued against it and tried to use the number of lives taken as a measure.
Let's not play dumb.
Then your response was utterly irrelevant.[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You would like that wouldn't you? Too bad it's not the case because again, you're going on what you think I meant by my own post...""A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?" " No, It wasn't. Like I've been saying, it's to point out the number of extremists and the amount of lives they have taken. This obviously doesn't make any mention of a large number of extremists making up the entire population of the Muslim Religion. Snipes_2
No it wasn't. IT was pointing out the number of lives taken by extremists.
And what is the point of that?
Defend the point of how many people were killed by extremists? Which is what I said my point was?[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I like how minutes ago you told me that wasnt your point while now you continue to defend it.... :?GreySeal9
Why are you making that point? What is the intention behind that point?
My point is, that you can't definitively state how many extremists there are, since they don't take polls on such things. Somehow that was twisted into "You believe all Muslims are Terrorists!"[QUOTE="GreySeal9"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Defend the point of how many people were killed by extremists? Which is what I said my point was?Snipes_2
Why are you making that point? What is the intention behind that point?
My point is, that you can't definitively state how many extremists there are, since they don't take polls on such things. Somehow that was twisted into "You believe all Muslims are Terrorists!"But you yourself admitted (when you were backpeddling) that the number is likely to be small, so why are you going back on that.
And what does the number of lives taken have to do with that anyway?
Then your response was utterly irrelevant.[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] You would like that wouldn't you? Too bad it's not the case because again, you're going on what you think I meant by my own post...""A Few", how many suicide bombings and Attempted bombings have there been in the past 5 years around the world?" " No, It wasn't. Like I've been saying, it's to point out the number of extremists and the amount of lives they have taken. This obviously doesn't make any mention of a large number of extremists making up the entire population of the Muslim Religion. Snipes_2
No it wasn't. IT was pointing out the number of lives taken by extremists.
Yes it was. GreySeal mentioned that extremists are just a few compared to the entire Muslim population. How many those extremists have killed doesnt change the fact that they (the extremists) make up a small percentage of the Muslim population. SO YES. IT WAS. UTTERLY. IRRELEVANT.They're going to burn some fire safety guides instead.So...is there any word on how the church is responding to the Fire Department Chief?
GreySeal9
[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]
My my, isn't that convenient. What about the Bible burning? That was perfectly fine.
Ultimas_Blade
Why are you whining again? One could inference that you support this foolish act.
Don't you care about what'll happen to our soldiers?
Calls for sense and sensitivity fall on deaf ears :|
I don't support this in the least.. BUT the whole "this endangers our soldiers" is ridiculous.. For all we know Paris Hilton's lifestyle can endanger our soldiers.. Should we curb that too? How bout what Glenn Beck says? Or Obermen? This is not a legitimate reason to stop this from happening.. Especially when your dealing with extremists that are going to be violent basically what ever they do.. Do you really want to save soldiers? Get them the hell out of that region.. Its quite simple really.
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