http://centralasiaonline.com/en_GB/articles/caii/features/pakistan/main/2012/01/11/feature-01 Afghans now are living longer, fewer infants are dying and more women are surviving childbirth because healthcare has dramatically improved around the country. In 2001, Afghans had an estimated life expectancy of about 45 years; today, it's between 62 and 64. Afghan children in 2001 had a 25% chance of dying before their 5th birthday, but today, that figure is only 10%, Ahrari said. In 2003, 14% of deliveries included help from medically trained providers; in 2010, this figure more than doubled to 34%. As a result of this and other community-level activities, fewer children are dying from preventable causes like diarrhoea or pneumonia. In 2003, Afghanistan had just 450 healthcare facilities, according to the Public Health Ministry. Now it has more than 1,800.
Just give the Taliban some time. They'll have that back down into the 30's.
sonicare
They're a hard working lot. I remember reading that when they came to power some of them attacked some zoo animals by jumping into the cages with knives. I'm sure horrible living conditions were an afterthought following that act.
What propagandistic garbage...4.5 MILLION afghan civillians dying as a result of U.S. aggression does not equate to higher standards of livingNayef_shroof
"The US is evil and anything that says otherwise is propaganda." Sorry but you sound like a Muslim peasant. Am I right?
[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]What propagandistic garbage...4.5 MILLION afghan civillians dying as a result of U.S. aggression does not equate to higher standards of livingbiggus_phallus
"The US is evil and anything that says otherwise is propaganda." Sorry but you sound like a Muslim peasant. Am I right? Muslim Peasant? Im assuming your "patriotism" is blinding you to your governments disgusting crimes against humanity...Oh, thats right, they aren't Americans/Westerners, their lives don't even matter :roll:
What propagandistic garbage...4.5 MILLION afghan civillians dying as a result of U.S. aggression does not equate to higher standards of living
biggus_phallus
4.5 million civilians? Speaking of propaganda garbage . . . . . I wouldn't start with him about foreign policy. His brain is full of...Islam. And your brain is full of bigotry...
What propagandistic garbage...4.5 MILLION afghan civillians dying as a result of U.S. aggression does not equate to higher standards of living
4.5 million civilians? Speaking of propaganda garbage . . . . . Im assuming you obtain your information from the U.S government, amirite? You're saying that 20% of the afghanistan population was killed? Ok.
[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="sonicare"] 4.5 million civilians? Speaking of propaganda garbage . . . . .sonicare
Im assuming you obtain your information from the U.S government, amirite? You're saying that 20% of the afghanistan population was killed? Ok. Actually, probably even higher given that afghanistan's population is around 29 million and you made the ever so insightful comment that 4.5 million civilians were killed by US forces. So that ignores all the enemy combatants and such. So maybe 1/4th to 1/3rd of afghanistans population has been killed? Is that what you are claiming form talibanstatistics.com?
[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]What propagandistic garbage...4.5 MILLION afghan civillians dying as a result of U.S. aggression does not equate to higher standards of livingNayef_shroof
"The US is evil and anything that says otherwise is propaganda." Sorry but you sound like a Muslim peasant. Am I right? Oh, thats right, they aren't Americans/Westerners, their lives don't even matter :roll: Not to be insensitive, but Muslim lives are cheap because Muslims don't value human life.
[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="biggus_phallus"] "The US is evil and anything that says otherwise is propaganda." Sorry but you sound like a Muslim peasant. Am I right?biggus_phallus
Oh, thats right, they aren't Americans/Westerners, their lives don't even matter :roll: Not to be insensitive, but Muslim lives are cheap because Muslims don't value human life. Your quite disgusting...It's ironic that you say Muslims dont value human life, but you so readily discard muslims as worthless. BTW, how do muslims not value human life?
What propagandistic garbage...4.5 MILLION afghan civillians dying as a result of U.S. aggression does not equate to higher standards of living
Nayef_shroof
Most sources put the number in between 20,000 and 40,000 from 2001 to 2012. Granted those are estimates but even with a high margin of error, it is hard to see where you got 4.5 mil from.
Is what I can find from wikipedia. Obviously no where near 4.5 million which would amount to well over 20% of the population of afghanistan. Dude, your claims are outrageous. US causedciviliancasualties do exist and the US shouldnt be there, but dont make up **** figures just to make yourself feel better.
What propagandistic garbage...4.5 MILLION afghan civillians dying as a result of U.S. aggression does not equate to higher standards of living
Frattracide
Most sources put the number in between 20,000 and 40,000 from 2001 to 2012. Granted those are estimates but even with a high margin of error, it is hard to see where you got 4.5 mil from.
Is what I can find from wikipedia. Obviously no where near 4.5 million which would amount to well over 20% of the population of afghanistan. Dude, your claims are outrageous. US causedciviliancasualties do exist and the US shouldnt be there, but dont make up **** figures just to make yourself feel better.
sonicare
All sources using statistics obtained from the U.S. government :|
I just googled it and I cant find any source that lists civilian deaths over a few thousand. US sources and foreign sources. Where are you getting your numbers from? Seriously, 4.5 million would mean 2 out of every 5 afghan civlians was killed.
[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Oh, thats right, they aren't Americans/Westerners, their lives don't even matter :roll:Nayef_shroof
Not to be insensitive, but Muslim lives are cheap because Muslims don't value human life. Your quite disgusting...It's ironic that you say Muslims dont value human life, but you so readily discard muslims as worthless. BTW, how do muslims not value human life? Curing illness and saving lives is not a priority for Muslims. Sunni want to blow up Shia, and Shia want to blow up Sunni, and both want to blow up non-Muslims. The value of Muslim lives is plummeting because of this.
[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"] Not to be insensitive, but Muslim lives are cheap because Muslims don't value human life.biggus_phallus
Your quite disgusting...It's ironic that you say Muslims dont value human life, but you so readily discard muslims as worthless. BTW, how do muslims not value human life? Curing illness and saving lives is not a priority for Muslims. Sunni want to blow up Shia, and Shia want to blow up Sunni, and both want to blow up non-Muslims. The value of Muslim lives is plummeting because of this. Wow...You really are incredibly misinformed/ignorant, aren't you?
Besides out of your ass, where did you get that number of 4.5 million?
As of December 2009 deaths from the Afghanistan War include 4.5 million violent and non-violent excess deaths LOL. The ignorance and obvious bias is strong indeed. Does someone need to be taught a lesson?
Most sources put the number in between 20,000 and 40,000 from 2001 to 2012. Granted those are estimates but even with a high margin of error, it is hard to see where you got 4.5 mil from.
Nayef_shroof
Is what I can find from wikipedia. Obviously no where near 4.5 million which would amount to well over 20% of the population of afghanistan. Dude, your claims are outrageous. US causedciviliancasualties do exist and the US shouldnt be there, but dont make up **** figures just to make yourself feel better.
Is what I can find from wikipedia. Obviously no where near 4.5 million which would amount to well over 20% of the population of afghanistan. Dude, your claims are outrageous. US causedciviliancasualties do exist and the US shouldnt be there, but dont make up **** figures just to make yourself feel better.
Besides out of your ass, where did you get that number of 4.5 million?
On3ShotOneKill
As of December 2009 deaths from the Afghanistan War include 4.5 million violent and non-violent excess deaths LOL. The ignorance and obvious bias is strong indeed. Does someone need to be taught a lesson? *sigh* http://gpolya.newsvine.com/_news/2009/09/02/3218030-polish-holocaust-1939-1945-afghan-holocaust-2001?groupId=1191
EDIT: I find it hilariously ironic that you claim that I'm biased yet your sig depicts soldiers within Iraq/Afghanistan...
4.5 MILLION afghan civillians dying as a result of U.S. aggression does not equate to higher standards of livingNayef_shroof
"Afghan civilians" Disregarding the fact that your figure is highly inflated, are you saying all those who died were innocent civilians? If that's the case then your head is f*cked.
The death rate from all causes in Afghanistan is 19.1/1000 people circa 2009. The main cause being disease per the WHO. The death rate in the US is around 8-9/1000 people for comparison. Nayef, your numbers dont add up.
Um no. Try the independent Human rights commission and the UNAMA
Check link
I did, it did not provide any accurate reporting on the deaths of civilians in Afghanistan. It just asserted that in was around 4 million. How did that source get that number? doesn't say. It also frequently compared the conflict in Afghanistan to the Holocaust. It was biased. You know it really pisses me off that you could come in here and be so ignorant about something so tragic and, at the same time complain about "propaganda."
[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]4.5 MILLION afghan civillians dying as a result of U.S. aggression does not equate to higher standards of livingbiggus_phallus
"Afghan civilians" Disregarding the fact that your figure is highly inflated, are you saying all those who died were innocent civilians? If that's the case then your head is f*cked.
Most sources put the number in between 20,000 and 40,000 from 2001 to 2012. Granted those are estimates but even with a high margin of error, it is hard to see where you got 4.5 mil from.
[QUOTE="sonicare"]
Is what I can find from wikipedia. Obviously no where near 4.5 million which would amount to well over 20% of the population of afghanistan. Dude, your claims are outrageous. US causedciviliancasualties do exist and the US shouldnt be there, but dont make up **** figures just to make yourself feel better.
All sources using statistics obtained from the U.S. government :|
You are claiming more people have died in this war than the American War in Vietnam, Soviet-Afghan War (where 1.1 million Afghans actually died), Bosnian War, Korean War, Both Chechen Wars combined, Both Iraq Wars combined, and both Sudanese Civil Wars combined? Are you serious? How is this even remotely reasonable without the use of conventional, large-scale warfare (Which all of the previous were or had at some point)? This would only be possible via genocide or indiscriminate ROE/doctrine by Coalition forces (Which is non-existent despite your ignorant view).
I didn't say that outright. I said that Muslims set the price for Muslim lives and right now they're cheap because the market is saturated with Muslims willing to give their lives away. Get it?
Um no. Try the independent Human rights commission and the UNAMA
Frattracide
Check link
I did, it did not provide any accurate reporting on the deaths of civilians in Afghanistan. It just asserted that in was around 4 million. How did that source get that number? doesn't say. It also frequently compared the conflict in Afghanistan to the Holocaust. It was biased. You know it really pisses me off that you could come in here and be so ignorant about something so tragic and, at the same time complain about "propaganda."
You know what actually is tragic? The fact that you're trying vehemently to deflate the actual civillian casualities (Essentially denying their existence/worth) just for the sake of "saving" the U.S. governements image, a laughable ploy at that
[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]"but Muslim lives are cheap"biggus_phallus
I didn't say that outright. I said that Muslims set the price for Muslim lives and right now they're cheap because the market is saturated with Muslims willing to give their lives away. Get it? Nope, just proves your bigotry
The extremist cells justifies killing innocent civilians by claiming that muslims would go to paradise if they got killed and non-muslims killed would be a favor to Allah. Your average Muslim in Western countries generally limit their Jihad to inner struggles and protests.
Is what I can find from wikipedia. Obviously no where near 4.5 million which would amount to well over 20% of the population of afghanistan. Dude, your claims are outrageous. US causedciviliancasualties do exist and the US shouldnt be there, but dont make up **** figures just to make yourself feel better.
On3ShotOneKill
All sources using statistics obtained from the U.S. government :|
You are claiming more people have died in this war than the American War in Vietnam, Soviet-Afghan War (where 1.1 million Afghans actually died), Bosnian War, Korean War, Both Chechen Wars combined, Both Iraq Wars combined, and both Sudanese Civil Wars combined? Are you serious? How is this even remotely reasonable without the use of conventional, large-scale warfare (Which all of the previous were or had at some point)? This would only be possible via genocide or indiscriminate ROE/doctrine by Coalition forces (Which is non-existent despite your ignorant view). Nobody reads apparently...
"As of December 2009 deaths from the Afghanistan War include 4.5 million violent and non-violent excess deaths of Indigenous Afghans since 2001"
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