Afghan life expectancy improves by 18 years since 2001

4.5 million. Do you have any idea how they would be able to do that? Given that afghanistan has a population of 29 million, and that a huge portion of that is rural, the US would basically have to mount carpet bombing campaigns around the clock yearly. The soviets engaged in a lengthy and bloody campaign in afghanistan and came no where near to killing 4.5 million. The US campaign has invovled a fraction of the ground and air forces the russians used. Those numbers dont make sense. No one is arguing that civilians have died as a result of US actions in afghanistan and that is unjust, but 4.5 million?

The extremist cells justifies killing innocent civilians by claiming that muslims would go to paradise if they got killed and non-muslims killed would be a favor to Allah. Your average Muslim in Western countries generally limit their Jihad to inner struggles and protests.hiphops_savior

[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]"but Muslim lives are cheap"Nayef_shroof

4.5 million. Do you have any idea how they would be able to do that? Given that afghanistan has a population of 29 million, and that a huge portion of that is rural, the US would basically have to mount carpet bombing campaigns around the clock yearly. The soviets engaged in a lengthy and bloody campaign in afghanistan and came no where near to killing 4.5 million. The US campaign has invovled a fraction of the ground and air forces the russians used. Those numbers dont make sense. No one is arguing that civilians have died as a result of US actions in afghanistan and that is unjust, but 4.5 million?

sonicare

[QUOTE="Frattracide"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Check linkNayef_shroof

I did, it did not provide any accurate reporting on the deaths of civilians in Afghanistan. It just asserted that in was around 4 million. How did that source get that number? doesn't say. It also frequently compared the conflict in Afghanistan to the Holocaust. It was biased. You know it really pisses me off that you could come in here and be so ignorant about something so tragic and, at the same time complain about "propaganda."

You know what actually is tragic? The fact that you're trying vehemently to deflate the actual civillian casualities (Essentially denying their existence/worth) just for the sake of "saving" the U.S. governements image, a laughable ploy at that

I don't give two shlts about the image of the US government

Prove the casualty rate is as high as you say it is. Cite a primary source that gives that number, not some biased op-ed on a open journalist web site. Can you name even one human rights group that puts the number that high?

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="biggus_phallus"] I didn't say that outright. I said that Muslims set the price for Muslim lives and right now they're cheap because the market is saturated with Muslims willing to give their lives away. Get it?biggus_phallus

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

4.5 million. Do you have any idea how they would be able to do that? Given that afghanistan has a population of 29 million, and that a huge portion of that is rural, the US would basically have to mount carpet bombing campaigns around the clock yearly. The soviets engaged in a lengthy and bloody campaign in afghanistan and came no where near to killing 4.5 million. The US campaign has invovled a fraction of the ground and air forces the russians used. Those numbers dont make sense. No one is arguing that civilians have died as a result of US actions in afghanistan and that is unjust, but 4.5 million?

Nayef_shroof

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="Frattracide"]

I did, it did not provide any accurate reporting on the deaths of civilians in Afghanistan. It just asserted that in was around 4 million. How did that source get that number? doesn't say. It also frequently compared the conflict in Afghanistan to the Holocaust. It was biased. You know it really pisses me off that you could come in here and be so ignorant about something so tragic and, at the same time complain about "propaganda."

Frattracide

You know what actually is tragic? The fact that you're trying vehemently to deflate the actual civillian casualities (Essentially denying their existence/worth) just for the sake of "saving" the U.S. governements image, a laughable ploy at that

I don't give two shlts about the image of the US government

Prove the casualty rate is as high as you say it is. Cite a primary source that gives that number, not some biased op-ed on a open journalist web site. Can you name even one human rights group that puts the number that high?

[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Nope, just proves your bigotryNayef_shroof

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"] Serious question: Why do you think the current exchange rate for one Jewish soldier is a thousand Palestinian terrorists? biggus_phallus

[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Because the Israelis apparently equate 1 Jew to 1000 palestinians (NOT TERRORIST just because they are Arab), essentially "cheapening their value"...Why are you so bigoted?

Nayef_shroof

People are so easily trolled here.

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[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"] No I mean.. why do you think the exchange rate is so lopsided?biggus_phallus

People are so easily trolled here.

Wasdie

Im curious, does anyone think this justifys the us invading afghahnistan? They might have not caught bin laden there or find nuclear weapons but they did somewhat improve the safety of the people.

[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Because zionist Israelis actually value a Jew's life, while Palestinians are considered essentially worthlessNayef_shroof

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

People are so easily trolled here.

Nayef_shroof

Of course you are. Nobody is as ignorant as the crap you are spewing. Even holocaust deniers.

People are so easily trolled here.

Wasdie

I wonder if they get trolled on purpose? The quality of trolls on this board has been pretty low so far. They've all been pretty obvious and boring.

The 4.5 million statistic is bull sh!t.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

People are so easily trolled here.

Wasdie

Of course you are. Nobody is as ignorant as the crap you are spewing. Even holocaust deniers.

Im curious, does anyone think this justifys the us invading afghahnistan? They might have not caught bin laden there or find nuclear weapons but they did somewhat improve the safety of the people.

DarthTuna

Since people aren't intelligent enough to discern...

"As of December 2009 deaths from the Afghanistan War include 4.5 million violent and non-violent excess deaths of Indigenous Afghans since 2001"

http://gpolya.newsvine.com/_news/2009/09/02/3218030-polish-holocaust-1939-1945-afghan-holocaust-2001?groupId=1191

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

People are so easily trolled here.

Wasdie

Of course you are. Nobody is as ignorant as the crap you are spewing. Even holocaust deniers.

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] All sources using statistics obtained from the U.S. government :|

http://gpolya.newsvine.com/_news/2009/09/02/3218030-polish-holocaust-1939-1945-afghan-holocaust-2001?groupId=1191

"As of December 2009 deaths from the Afghanistan War include 4.5 million violent and non-violent excess deaths of Indigenous Afghans since 2001"

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

You know what actually is tragic? The fact that you're trying vehemently to deflate the actual civillian casualities (Essentially denying their existence/worth) just for the sake of "saving" the U.S. governements image, a laughable ploy at that

I don't give two shlts about the image of the US government

Prove the casualty rate is as high as you say it is. Cite a primary source that gives that number, not some biased op-ed on a open journalist web site. Can you name even one human rights group that puts the number that high?

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"] You are claiming more people have died in this war than the American War in Vietnam, Soviet-Afghan War (where 1.1 million Afghans actually died), Bosnian War, Korean War, Both Chechen Wars combined, Both Iraq Wars combined, and both Sudanese Civil Wars combined? Are you serious? How is this even remotely reasonable without the use of conventional, large-scale warfare (Which all of the previous were or had at some point)? This would only be possible via genocide or indiscriminate ROE/doctrine by Coalition forces (Which is non-existent despite your ignorant view). On3ShotOneKill

"As of December 2009 deaths from the Afghanistan War include 4.5 million violent and non-violent excess deaths of Indigenous Afghans since 2001"

[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Wow...You're a prejudicial moron. Im sure you would've made a great SS officer during the established rule of the NAZI party, seeing as you are quite content with accepting such disgusting beliefsNayef_shroof

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="biggus_phallus"] No i'm a nonviolent person. I was just giving you advice to that would help raise the status of Muslim people all over the globe.biggus_phallus

[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Sure, keep up the great work! I mean, its not like you stated Muslim lives were "cheap" anyways.../sarcasmNayef_shroof

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"] It's just an observation I made from reading the news. It have no part in it. Muslim people are dying left and right. Just a fact of life.biggus_phallus

FAIRLY RECENT? Wow...is over 100 years fairly recent? (Only regarding Middle Eastern affairs). Christian Europe has always been antagonizing the muslims with the advent of Byzantium's aggression towards the initial Muslim community.Your a moron who should actually read some history

18 more years than they deserve; they're muslims after all. The fact that they're alive is more than they deserve tbh.

You people are just disgusting to be frank...

You people are just disgusting to be frank...

Nayef_shroof

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

You people are just disgusting to be frank...

CaveJohnson1

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] FAIRLY RECENT? Wow...is over 100 years fairly recent? (Only regarding Middle Eastern affairs). Christian Europe has always been antagonizing the muslims with the advent of Byzantium's aggression towards the initial Muslim communitybiggus_phallus

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

You people are just disgusting to be frank...

Nayef_shroof

Those soilders were right to pee on muslims.

The reason why muslims expanded into byzantine's territory was because of the transgression of the Byzantine empire against the muslims..Nayef_shroof

Sounds a lot like Afghanistan.

[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] FAIRLY RECENT? Wow...is over 100 years fairly recent? (Only regarding Middle Eastern affairs). Christian Europe has always been antagonizing the muslims with the advent of Byzantium's aggression towards the initial Muslim communityNayef_shroof

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]No, your people are.

CaveJohnson1

Those soilders were right to pee on muslims.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]No, your people are.

CaveJohnson1

Those soilders were right to pee on muslims.