Afghan life expectancy improves by 18 years since 2001

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"]European Imperialism has killed billions? Prove it. Islam has never killed anyone? Prove it. You are give humans and Islam a bad rep. coolbeans90

He will not prove anything. He just pulls numbers out of thin air and creates declarative statements because it fits within the confines of his worldview.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"] European Imperialism has killed billions? Prove it. Islam has never killed anyone? Prove it. You give humans and Islam a bad rep. On3ShotOneKill

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]LOL European imperialism has killed more than a billion people, not Islamic civilization...Ive listed out the proofs of various genocides committed by Europeanscoolbeans90

Maybe more, maybe less. Too hard to tell, considering how ruthlessly violent Islamic history has been.

Neither will add to a billion, dipsh!t. Acquire some rudimentary arithmetic reasoning and relate it to simple quantities such as the population of the world, for instance, the number of people the Europeans could feasibly have come into conflict with, etc.

WW2 BENGALI HOLOCAUST: 6-7 million Hindus & Muslims died in Churchill's 1943-1945 Bengal Famine

18th-19th century Aboriginal Genocide(the Indigenous Aboriginal population dropped from about 1 million to 0.1 million in the first century after invasion in 1788).

18th-19th century Aboriginal Genocide(the Indigenous Aboriginal population dropped from about 1 million to 0.1 million in the first century after invasion in 1788).

British Indian Genocide [Indian Holocaust] (post-invasion excess deaths 0.6 billion, 1757-1837; 0.5 billion, 1837-1901 under Queen Victoria; 0.4 BILLION, 1901-1947).

European Chinese Genocide(10-100 million deaths in the European imperialism-driven Tai Ping rebellion period)

Maori Genocide(Maori population dropped from 0.1-0.2 million in 1800 to 42,000 in 1893

African Genocide (scores of million perished over 5 centuries of European slavery and colonialism)

Native American Genocide (approxiamtely 100 million deaths due to european imerialism)

And Again, these are just a few of many...

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

Imperialism isn't justified by alleged transgressions. Otherwise, it would be justified for the U.S. to keep Afghanistan - eternally - as a province. Same for Iraq for it's aggression towards Kuwait. Not to mention Germany, Japan, Italy and so forth. Point being, Islamic expansionism was brutal, unjustified and an absolute travesty. You are a hypocrite, blinded by your ideological biases.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]Its true...Western Imperialism has killed Billions of people...You're ignorant if you state otherwise

Nayef_shroof

You demonstrate that your quantitative reasoning capacities are equally as flawed your general reasoning skills.

Anyway, I am done arguing with religious sand zealots.

You're the hypocrite, claiming that I have my own "ideological" biases when you obviously know nothing about history. The peoples under Islamic rule had the option of remaining sovereign, which includes the option of retaining their own beliefs/religions, or they could convert willingly, as it is forbidden is Islam to force upon someone your own ideals/religious beliefs. The majority of the inhabitants decided to become Muslims, as is recorded throughout history. Islamic expansion was justififed by the aggression of Byzantine and Persia. It was certainly NOT brutal, as Islammandated an ethical code of war that has forbidden the killing of innocent civillians (Especially women and children), destruction of property, slaughter of livestock, etc. It's also forbidden to transgress (initiate war) against any group of peoples, unless they are aggressors. (BTW, Islam is the only religion on the planet, at least monotheistic, with these set of principles established).

Does Islam have the ideology war = peace?

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]Muslims killed billions in their wars to spread their religion, so isn't it all equal?

CaveJohnson1

no...That number is completely false

Think about it, why is the middle east so Sh*tty? Because nobody there is good enough at math to become an engineer and rebuild some of these buildings other muslims love to blow up.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"]"I'm well aware of that information you're posting". No, you were not. How do I know? Your comments throughout this thread and you still don't get it. America's official policy in Afghanistan (Vietnam is more iffy, but civilian losses WERE taken into account) has never been to indiscriminately kill the enemy without regards to civilian life. It has been to WIN HEARTS AND MINDS. This means supporting the people, building infrastructure, and killing the enemy WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF COLLATERAL DAMAGE. This is exactly because America wishes to win over the local population and have them denounce/drive out the insurgency. Vietnam had a high death toll, but the current Afghan war is one of the lowest of any war in the last 50 years. More North Vietnamese fighters died in the Tet offensive alone (Which lasted from January to August of 1968) than all of the civilians killed in the current ten year war in Afghanistan. How many? Over 45,000 men. Dead. Our generation has seen nothing like Vietnam or many other wars of the 20th century (Thank god). Do you get it now? You are 100% factually WRONG. It is like trying to deny WWII ever happened. Completely and utterly wrong. Admit it and I will forgive you, take back my insults and apologize. On3ShotOneKill

Just sayin'

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

Imperialism isn't justified by alleged transgressions. Otherwise, it would be justified for the U.S. to keep Afghanistan - eternally - as a province. Same for Iraq for it's aggression towards Kuwait. Not to mention Germany, Japan, Italy and so forth. Point being, Islamic expansionism was brutal, unjustified and an absolute travesty. You are a hypocrite, blinded by your ideological biases.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]Its true...Western Imperialism has killed Billions of people...You're ignorant if you state otherwise

You demonstrate that your quantitative reasoning capacities are equally as flawed your general reasoning skills.

Anyway, I am done arguing with religious sand zealots.

You're the hypocrite, claiming that I have my own "ideological" biases when you obviously know nothing about history. The peoples under Islamic rule had the option of remaining sovereign, which includes the option of retaining their own beliefs/religions, or they could convert willingly, as it is forbidden is Islam to force upon someone your own ideals/religious beliefs. The majority of the inhabitants decided to become Muslims, as is recorded throughout history. Islamic expansion was justififed by the aggression of Byzantine and Persia. It was certainly NOT brutal, as Islammandated an ethical code of war that has forbidden the killing of innocent civillians (Especially women and children), destruction of property, slaughter of livestock, etc. It's also forbidden to transgress (initiate war) against any group of peoples, unless they are aggressors. (BTW, Islam is the only religion on the planet, at least monotheistic, with these set of principles established).

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

But they did it for God!

On3ShotOneKill

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] [QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]LOL European imperialism has killed more than a billion people, not Islamic civilization...Ive listed out the proofs of various genocides committed by EuropeansNayef_shroof

Maybe more, maybe less. Too hard to tell, considering how ruthlessly violent Islamic history has been.

Neither will add to a billion, dipsh!t. Acquire some rudimentary arithmetic reasoning and relate it to simple quantities such as the population of the world, for instance, the number of people the Europeans could feasibly have come into conflict with, etc.

WW2 BENGALI HOLOCAUST: 6-7 million Hindus & Muslims died in Churchill's 1943-1945 Bengal Famine

18th-19th century Aboriginal Genocide(the Indigenous Aboriginal population dropped from about 1 million to 0.1 million in the first century after invasion in 1788).

18th-19th century Aboriginal Genocide(the Indigenous Aboriginal population dropped from about 1 million to 0.1 million in the first century after invasion in 1788).

British Indian Genocide [Indian Holocaust] (post-invasion excess deaths 0.6 billion, 1757-1837; 0.5 billion, 1837-1901 under Queen Victoria; 0.4 BILLION, 1901-1947).

European Chinese Genocide(10-100 million deaths in the European imperialism-driven Tai Ping rebellion period)

Maori Genocide(Maori population dropped from 0.1-0.2 million in 1800 to 42,000 in 1893

African Genocide (scores of million perished over 5 centuries of European slavery and colonialism)

Native American Genocide (approxiamtely 100 million deaths due to european imerialism)

And Again, these are just a few of many...

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

You demonstrate that your quantitative reasoning capacities are equally as flawed your general reasoning skills.

Anyway, I am done arguing with religious sand zealots.

You're the hypocrite, claiming that I have my own "ideological" biases when you obviously know nothing about history. The peoples under Islamic rule had the option of remaining sovereign, which includes the option of retaining their own beliefs/religions, or they could convert willingly, as it is forbidden is Islam to force upon someone your own ideals/religious beliefs. The majority of the inhabitants decided to become Muslims, as is recorded throughout history. Islamic expansion was justififed by the aggression of Byzantine and Persia. It was certainly NOT brutal, as Islammandated an ethical code of war that has forbidden the killing of innocent civillians (Especially women and children), destruction of property, slaughter of livestock, etc. It's also forbidden to transgress (initiate war) against any group of peoples, unless they are aggressors. (BTW, Islam is the only religion on the planet, at least monotheistic, with these set of principles established).

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"]

Maybe more, maybe less. Too hard to tell, considering how ruthlessly violent Islamic history has been.

Neither will add to a billion, dipsh!t. Acquire some rudimentary arithmetic reasoning and relate it to simple quantities such as the population of the world, for instance, the number of people the Europeans could feasibly have come into conflict with, etc.

CaveJohnson1

WW2 BENGALI HOLOCAUST: 6-7 million Hindus & Muslims died in Churchill's 1943-1945 Bengal Famine

18th-19th century Aboriginal Genocide(the Indigenous Aboriginal population dropped from about 1 million to 0.1 million in the first century after invasion in 1788).

18th-19th century Aboriginal Genocide(the Indigenous Aboriginal population dropped from about 1 million to 0.1 million in the first century after invasion in 1788).

British Indian Genocide [Indian Holocaust] (post-invasion excess deaths 0.6 billion, 1757-1837; 0.5 billion, 1837-1901 under Queen Victoria; 0.4 BILLION, 1901-1947).

European Chinese Genocide(10-100 million deaths in the European imperialism-driven Tai Ping rebellion period)

Maori Genocide(Maori population dropped from 0.1-0.2 million in 1800 to 42,000 in 1893

African Genocide (scores of million perished over 5 centuries of European slavery and colonialism)

Native American Genocide (approxiamtely 100 million deaths due to european imerialism)

And Again, these are just a few of many...

"muslims have killed at least 100 million people in the modern day btw."

Then your incredibly stupid, as that is the most false staement I've read in my life

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

no...That number is completely false

Crunchy_Nuts

Think about it, why is the middle east so Sh*tty? Because nobody there is good enough at math to become an engineer and rebuild some of these buildings other muslims love to blow up.

You're the hypocrite, claiming that I have my own "ideological" biases when you obviously know nothing about history. The peoples under Islamic rule had the option of remaining sovereign, which includes the option of retaining their own beliefs/religions, or they could convert willingly, as it is forbidden is Islam to force upon someone your own ideals/religious beliefs. The majority of the inhabitants decided to become Muslims, as is recorded throughout history. Islamic expansion was justififed by the aggression of Byzantine and Persia. It was certainly NOT brutal, as Islammandated an ethical code of war that has forbidden the killing of innocent civillians (Especially women and children), destruction of property, slaughter of livestock, etc. It's also forbidden to transgress (initiate war) against any group of peoples, unless they are aggressors. (BTW, Islam is the only religion on the planet, at least monotheistic, with these set of principles established).

Nayef_shroof

I am apparently more knowledgeable of history than you. Fact: Islam took over by means of violence a great portion of the world and restricted rights to those who were not a part of Islam. The entire process was grotesque, barbaric plight upon the areas conquered. War is never clean. Even in modern times, where some level of accountability can be enforced, there still exists collateral (civillian) damage, in spite of the rules. Only a religious jacktard, such as yourself, could justify this sort of disgusting affront to human dignity while remaining in opposition to the actions of the West in the Middle East. You are a patently brainwashed, hypocrtical soul and reading your posts is causing me to seriously consider whether I should become an atheist or not, because the kind of sh!t you've convinced yourself of is nothing less than frightening.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Again, as was previously posted...

WW2 BENGALI HOLOCAUST: 6-7 million Hindus & Muslims died in Churchill's 1943-1945 Bengal Famine

18th-19th century Aboriginal Genocide(the Indigenous Aboriginal population dropped from about 1 million to 0.1 million in the first century after invasion in 1788).

18th-19th century Aboriginal Genocide(the Indigenous Aboriginal population dropped from about 1 million to 0.1 million in the first century after invasion in 1788).

British Indian Genocide [Indian Holocaust] (post-invasion excess deaths 0.6 billion, 1757-1837; 0.5 billion, 1837-1901 under Queen Victoria; 0.4 BILLION, 1901-1947).

European Chinese Genocide(10-100 million deaths in the European imperialism-driven Tai Ping rebellion period)

Maori Genocide(Maori population dropped from 0.1-0.2 million in 1800 to 42,000 in 1893

African Genocide (scores of million perished over 5 centuries of European slavery and colonialism)

Native American Genocide (approxiamtely 100 million deaths due to european imerialism)

And Again, these are just a few of many...

Nayef_shroof

I know you're not very good at math being muslim and all, but that total is about 200 million, far less than the billions killed by muslims. I think terrorists i.e. muslims have killed at least 100 million people in the modern day btw.

CaveJohnson1

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] LOL European imperialism has killed more than a billion people, not Islamic civilization...Ive listed out the proofs of various genocides committed by EuropeansNayef_shroof

And Again, these are just a few of many...

Nayef_shroof

We've already been over the fact that you omit Islamic imperialism because you only consider imperialism/murder you don't like to be bad. Consequently, you have proven nothing - nor will you, because you cannot formulate a sound argument.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"] European Imperialism has killed billions? Prove it. Islam has never killed anyone? Prove it. You give humans and Islam a bad rep. On3ShotOneKill

GameSpot's community have been Webby nominated for the best new "Yahoo!" of the year.Zhang--Jiao

Then your incredibly stupid, as that is the most false staement I've read in my life

Nayef_shroof

Prove that it is any less accurate than your "1 billion" figure.

I don't deny the holocaust...Nayef_shroof

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

no...That number is completely false

CaveJohnson1

Think about it, why is the middle east so Sh*tty? Because nobody there is good enough at math to become an engineer and rebuild some of these buildings other muslims love to blow up.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

You're the hypocrite, claiming that I have my own "ideological" biases when you obviously know nothing about history. The peoples under Islamic rule had the option of remaining sovereign, which includes the option of retaining their own beliefs/religions, or they could convert willingly, as it is forbidden is Islam to force upon someone your own ideals/religious beliefs. The majority of the inhabitants decided to become Muslims, as is recorded throughout history. Islamic expansion was justififed by the aggression of Byzantine and Persia. It was certainly NOT brutal, as Islammandated an ethical code of war that has forbidden the killing of innocent civillians (Especially women and children), destruction of property, slaughter of livestock, etc. It's also forbidden to transgress (initiate war) against any group of peoples, unless they are aggressors. (BTW, Islam is the only religion on the planet, at least monotheistic, with these set of principles established).

coolbeans90

I am apparently more knowledgeable of history than you. Fact: Islam took over by means of violence a great portion of the world and restricted rights to those who were not a part of Islam. The entire process was grotesque, barbaric plight upon the areas conquered. War is never clean. Even in modern times where some level of accountability is taken can be enforced there still exists collateral damage in spite of the rules and only a religious jacktard such as yourself could justify this sort of disgusting affront to human dignity while remaining in opposition to the actions of the west in the Middle East. You are a patently brainwashed soul and reading your posts is causing me to seriously consider whether I should become an atheist or not, because the kind of sh!t you've convinced yourself of is nothing less than frightening.

neyef, I'll be honest, I've been trolling you the whole time.

You are so stupid and dogmatic in your baseless beliefs that you couldn't see through it.

Thanks for providing me with so much entertainment.

Bed now.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

You're the hypocrite, claiming that I have my own "ideological" biases when you obviously know nothing about history. The peoples under Islamic rule had the option of remaining sovereign, which includes the option of retaining their own beliefs/religions, or they could convert willingly, as it is forbidden is Islam to force upon someone your own ideals/religious beliefs. The majority of the inhabitants decided to become Muslims, as is recorded throughout history. Islamic expansion was justififed by the aggression of Byzantine and Persia. It was certainly NOT brutal, as Islammandated an ethical code of war that has forbidden the killing of innocent civillians (Especially women and children), destruction of property, slaughter of livestock, etc. It's also forbidden to transgress (initiate war) against any group of peoples, unless they are aggressors. (BTW, Islam is the only religion on the planet, at least monotheistic, with these set of principles established).

I am apparently more knowledgeable of history than you. Fact: Islam took over by means of violence a great portion of the world and restricted rights to those who were not a part of Islam. The entire process was grotesque, barbaric plight upon the areas conquered. War is never clean. Even in modern times, where some level of accountability can be enforced, there still exists collateral (civillian) damage, in spite of the rules. Only a religious jacktard, such as yourself, could justify this sort of disgusting affront to human dignity while remaining in opposition to the actions of the West in the Middle East. You are a patently brainwashed, hypocrtical soul and reading your posts is causing me to seriously consider whether I should become an atheist or not, because the kind of sh!t you've convinced yourself of is nothing less than frightening.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]I know you're not very good at math being muslim and all, but that total is about 200 million, far less than the billions killed by muslims. I think terrorists i.e. muslims have killed at least 100 million people in the modern day btw.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]Then your incredibly stupid, as that is the most false staement I've read in my lifecoolbeans90

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]I know you're not very good at math being muslim and all, but that total is about 200 million, far less than the billions killed by muslims. I think terrorists i.e. muslims have killed at least 100 million people in the modern day btw.

Dear. god. I would say "what has become of Gamespot?", but really, this thread kinda just sums it up. Nobody knows what they're talking about, and one dude has a sub-par argument that somewhat legitimize the discussion.majoras_wrath

edit: the legitimization is also a sad part of this discussion, as it gives others credibility.

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"]Dear. god. I would say "what has become of Gamespot?", but really, this thread kinda just sums it up. Nobody knows what they're talking about, and one dude has a sub-par argument that somewhat legitimize the discussion.Zhang--Jiao

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"] There are loads of numbers flying around in this thread and no sources.

Crunchy_Nuts

Is this an attempt to justify Afghanistan war? This could have easily been done by working with Taliban.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

4.5 million. Do you have any idea how they would be able to do that? Given that afghanistan has a population of 29 million, and that a huge portion of that is rural, the US would basically have to mount carpet bombing campaigns around the clock yearly. The soviets engaged in a lengthy and bloody campaign in afghanistan and came no where near to killing 4.5 million. The US campaign has invovled a fraction of the ground and air forces the russians used. Those numbers dont make sense. No one is arguing that civilians have died as a result of US actions in afghanistan and that is unjust, but 4.5 million?

Nayef_shroof

That one just BLEW my mind.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

4.5 million. Do you have any idea how they would be able to do that? Given that afghanistan has a population of 29 million, and that a huge portion of that is rural, the US would basically have to mount carpet bombing campaigns around the clock yearly. The soviets engaged in a lengthy and bloody campaign in afghanistan and came no where near to killing 4.5 million. The US campaign has invovled a fraction of the ground and air forces the russians used. Those numbers dont make sense. No one is arguing that civilians have died as a result of US actions in afghanistan and that is unjust, but 4.5 million?

Nayef_shroof