Afghan life expectancy improves by 18 years since 2001

ITT: Religious apologists using propagandist POVs to defend their imperialism while condemning other's imperialism using bull sh!t statistics.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] No...ignorant, bigoted, genocidal abominations such as yourself are disgustingCrunchy_Nuts

Those soilders were right to pee on muslims.

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]Muslims are just bad people, I just hope that they stay on their side of the world so that our buildings don't get blown up and so we can see our womans faces.

Those soilders were right to pee on muslims.

CaveJohnson1

What a whore.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] No...ignorant, bigoted, genocidal abominations such as yourself are disgustingbiggus_phallus

Those soilders were right to pee on muslims.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"] I know right? We're so lucky in the west not to have any Muslims. They slipped through the net a few times though and look at all the destruction they caused.coolbeans90

What a whore.

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]Muslims are just bad people, I just hope that they stay on their side of the world so that our buildings don't get blown up and so we can see our womans faces.

Those soilders were right to pee on muslims.

CaveJohnson1

ITT: Religious apologists using propagandist POVs to defend their imperialism while condemning other's imperialism using bull sh!t statistics.

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

ITT: Religious apologists using propagandist POVs to defend their imperialism while condemning other's imperialism using bull sh!t statistics.

Nayef_shroof

See my previous post in response.

[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]Muslims are just bad people, I just hope that they stay on their side of the world so that our buildings don't get blown up and so we can see our womans faces.

Those soilders were right to pee on muslims.

CaveJohnson1

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"] Read my response [QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

ITT: Religious apologists using propagandist POVs to defend their imperialism while condemning other's imperialism using bull sh!t statistics.

coolbeans90

See my previous post in response.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

ITT: Religious apologists using propagandist POVs to defend their imperialism while condemning other's imperialism using bull sh!t statistics.

Nayef_shroof

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

My god, propaganda does a number.

Read my response

Nayef_shroof

I did. It consisted of you taking a very narrow interpretation of history which you have chosen to fit your religious worldview and corresponding numbers that you shat from your ass.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"] Muslims aren't inherently bad people. It's just their religion is a totalitarian ideology that doesn't value human life and and has to be spread by the sword.Nayef_shroof

Sounds pretty nazi to me.

I'm glad you think I'd go far in the military though, not sure what SS is, but I know I'd be great at it!!

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="biggus_phallus"] Muslims aren't inherently bad people. It's just their religion is a totalitarian ideology that doesn't value human life and and has to be spread by the sword.Nayef_shroof

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"][QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Nobody reads apparently...

"As of December 2009 deaths from the Afghanistan War include 4.5 million violent and non-violent excess deaths of Indigenous Afghans since 2001"

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]Probably why they supported the Nazis.

Sounds pretty nazi to me.

I'm glad you think I'd go far in the military though, not sure what SS is, but I know I'd be great at it!!

My god, propaganda does a number. coolbeans90

Muslim Civilization:

Armenian genocide (600,000 to one million)

Vs

European Civilization:

WW2 BENGALI HOLOCAUST: 6-7 million Hindus & Muslims died in Churchill's 1943-1945 Bengal Famine

18th-19th century Aboriginal Genocide(the Indigenous Aboriginal population dropped from about 1 million to 0.1 million in the first century after invasion in 1788).

18th-19th century Aboriginal Genocide(the Indigenous Aboriginal population dropped from about 1 million to 0.1 million in the first century after invasion in 1788).

British Indian Genocide [Indian Holocaust] (post-invasion excess deaths 0.6 billion, 1757-1837; 0.5 billion, 1837-1901 under Queen Victoria; 0.4 BILLION, 1901-1947).

European Chinese Genocide(10-100 million deaths in the European imperialism-driven Tai Ping rebellion period)

Maori Genocide(Maori population dropped from 0.1-0.2 million in 1800 to 42,000 in 1893

African Genocide (scores of million perished over 5 centuries of European slavery and colonialism)

Native American Genocide (approxiamtely 100 million deaths due to european imerialism)

Keep in mind, these aren't the entire listings...

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] LoL, the crimes against humanity that occurred due to the Nazi Party are the antithesis of Islam...We obviously do not support the actions of the Nazi Party. You on the other hand would've made a great SS officer, considering your content with racist/prejudicial beliefsOn3ShotOneKill

Sounds pretty nazi to me.

I'm glad you think I'd go far in the military though, not sure what SS is, but I know I'd be great at it!!

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"] 1. Your figures come from a biased website that has to link to respected websites that completely disprove its own claims. It does not provide any research or research methods itself. Just stupid claims. 2. The websites your website linked to (Like Unicef) claim no where near the number your site is claiming. They prove the exact opposite. 3. With sentences like: "90% of infants deaths are absolutely the result of the criminal US occupier force", that immediately tells me it is full of bias. Facts come from objective and neutral analysis. This reason is that Bias will distort facts in order to please a certain view. Do you even know what bias is? 4.My sig comes from a videogame (ArmA 2), where I placed a squad of soldiers marching in a sandstorm on a desert island with the in-game editor. This was done for a machinima I was making which has nothing to do with anything irl. You see, this has facts: http://unama.unmissions.org/Portals/UNAMA/human%20rights/March%20PoC%20Annual%20Report%20Final.pdf It comes from a neutral party (the UN), provides its own data and methods of research, contains no biased language, and is not full of Sh!t. Oh, and: 5. You're an idiot. On3ShotOneKill

Keep in mind, these aren't the entire listings...

Nayef_shroof

No sh!t, Sherlick, considering how you merely listed the Armenian genocide juxtaposed with every Western transgression you could think of. Please, one can't expect to have a serious conversation with you because you have already decided that Islam is inherently righteous. The confirmation bias does the rest.

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"][QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]That's a lie, the Ottoman empire supported the axis powers in WW1

Sounds pretty nazi to me.

I'm glad you think I'd go far in the military though, not sure what SS is, but I know I'd be great at it!!

Im well aware of that information you're posting...Its the fact that in both wars, the U.S. was indiscriminately targeting "the enemy" without any regards to civillian casualties...Thats why both wars have such high civillian death tolls. You are in fact the moron for not being able to discern between that simple factNayef_shroof

You are fabricating information to conform to your world view, again.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

Keep in mind, these aren't the entire listings...

coolbeans90

No sh!t, Sherlick, considering how you merely listed the Armenian genocide juxtaposed with every Western transgression you could think of. Please, one can't expect to have a serious conversation with you because you have already decided that Islam is inherently righteous. The confirmation bias does the rest.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]Im well aware of that information you're posting...Its the fact that in both wars, the U.S. was indiscriminately targeting "the enemy" without any regards to civillian casualties...Thats why both wars have such high civillian death tolls. You are in fact the moron for not being able to discern between that simple factcoolbeans90

You are fabricating information to conform to your world view, again.

Well, thats because those are in fact some of the many Western atrocities committed versus the Armenian genocide...What else could I elaborate upon?Nayef_shroof

No, it's because you didn't care to list them and probably wouldn't consider them atrocities anyway due to your positions on the matter. After all, you justified the invasion of Europe while in the same thread condemned U.S. actions in the Middle East. Long story short: You have no consistent metric of judgement.

lol, fabricating what?Nayef_shroof

For one, that the West has killed "BILLIONS" of people. Secondly, that U.S. troops shoot "indiscriminately".

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]Im well aware of that information you're posting...Its the fact that in both wars, the U.S. was indiscriminately targeting "the enemy" without any regards to civillian casualties...Thats why both wars have such high civillian death tolls. You are in fact the moron for not being able to discern between that simple factNayef_shroof

You are fabricating information to conform to your world view, again.

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] lol, fabricating what?coolbeans90

For one, that the West has killed "BILLIONS" of people. Secondly, that U.S. troops shoot "indiscriminately".

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

No, it's because you didn't care to list them and probably wouldn't consider them atrocities anyway due to your positions on the matter. After all, you justified the invasion of Europe while in the same thread condemned U.S. actions in the Middle East. Long story short: You have no consistent metric of judgement.

Nayef_shroof

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] lol, fabricating what?coolbeans90

For one, that the West has killed "BILLIONS" of people. Secondly, that U.S. troops shoot "indiscriminately".

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"] I've already elaborated upon the vast differences between the expansion of the Islamic empire (Initiated due to Byzantine transgression), and the oppressive, brutal, and horrific practices of western imperialism throughout the centuries...[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] lol, fabricating what?Nayef_shroof

For one, that the West has killed "BILLIONS" of people. Secondly, that U.S. troops shoot "indiscriminately".

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"] I've already elaborated upon the vast differences between the expansion of the Islamic empire (Initiated due to Byzantine transgression), and the oppressive, brutal, and horrific practices of western imperialism throughout the centuries...[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] lol, fabricating what?Nayef_shroof

For one, that the West has killed "BILLIONS" of people. Secondly, that U.S. troops shoot "indiscriminately".

I've already elaborated upon the vast differences between the expansion of the Islamic empire (Initiated due to Byzantine transgression), and the oppressive, brutal, and horrific practices of western imperialism throughout the centuries...Nayef_shroof

Imperialism isn't justified by alleged transgressions. Otherwise, it would be justified for the U.S. to keep Afghanistan - eternally - as a province. Same for Iraq for it's aggression towards Kuwait. Not to mention Germany, Japan, Italy and so forth. Point being, Islamic expansionism was brutal, unjustified and an absolute travesty. You are a hypocrite, blinded by your ideological biases.

Its true...Western Imperialism has killed Billions of people...You're ignorant if you state otherwise

Nayef_shroof

You demonstrate that your quantitative reasoning capacities are equally as flawed your general reasoning skills.

Anyway, I am done arguing with religious sand zealots.

Muslims killed billions in their wars to spread their religion, so isn't it all equal?

CaveJohnson1

I don't believe it. Or maybe someone finally did some kind of census.dramaybaz

Muslims killed billions in their wars to spread their religion, so isn't it all equal?

CaveJohnson1

But they did it for God!

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

For one, that the West has killed "BILLIONS" of people. Secondly, that U.S. troops shoot "indiscriminately".

CaveJohnson1

no...That number is completely false

no...That number is completely false

Nayef_shroof

It is about as accurate as yours.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"] Its true...Western Imperialism has killed Billions of people...You're ignorant if you state otherwise. Also, the U.S. military doesn't care for civillian casualties

Nayef_shroof

no...That number is completely false

Think about it, why is the middle east so Sh*tty? Because nobody there is good enough at math to become an engineer and rebuild some of these buildings other muslims love to blow up.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

Muslims killed billions in their wars to spread their religion, so isn't it all equal?

coolbeans90

But they did it for God!

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

Muslims killed billions in their wars to spread their religion, so isn't it all equal?

But they did it for God!

LOL European imperialism has killed more than a billion people, not Islamic civilization...Ive listed out the proofs of various genocides committed by EuropeansNayef_shroof

Maybe more, maybe less. Too hard to tell, considering how ruthlessly violent Islamic history has been.

Neither will add to a billion, dipsh!t. Acquire some rudimentary arithmetic reasoning and relate it to simple quantities such as the population of the world, for instance, the number of people the Europeans could feasibly have come into conflict with, etc.

"I'm well aware of that information you're posting". No, you were not. How do I know? Your comments throughout this thread and you still don't get it. America's official policy in Afghanistan (Vietnam is more iffy, but civilian losses WERE taken into account) has never been to indiscriminately kill the enemy without regards to civilian life. It has been to WIN HEARTS AND MINDS. This means supporting the people, building infrastructure, and killing the enemy WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF COLLATERAL DAMAGE. This is exactly because America wishes to win over the local population and have them denounce/drive out the insurgency. Vietnam had a high death toll, but the current Afghan war is one of the lowest of any war in the last 50 years. More North Vietnamese fighters died in the Tet offensive alone (Which lasted from January to August of 1968) than all of the civilians killed in the current ten year war in Afghanistan. How many? Over 45,000 men. Dead. Our generation has seen nothing like Vietnam or many other wars of the 20th century (Thank god). Do you get it now? You are 100% factually WRONG. It is like trying to deny WWII ever happened. Completely and utterly wrong. Admit it and I will forgive you, take back my insults and apologize. On3ShotOneKill

Just sayin'

European Imperialism has killed billions? Prove it. Islam has never killed anyone? Prove it. You are give humans and Islam a bad rep. On3ShotOneKill

He will not prove anything. He just pulls numbers out of thin air and creates declarative statements because it fits within the confines of his worldview.

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"]"I'm well aware of that information you're posting". No, you were not. How do I know? Your comments throughout this thread and you still don't get it. America's official policy in Afghanistan (Vietnam is more iffy, but civilian losses WERE taken into account) has never been to indiscriminately kill the enemy without regards to civilian life. It has been to WIN HEARTS AND MINDS. This means supporting the people, building infrastructure, and killing the enemy WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF COLLATERAL DAMAGE. This is exactly because America wishes to win over the local population and have them denounce/drive out the insurgency. Vietnam had a high death toll, but the current Afghan war is one of the lowest of any war in the last 50 years. More North Vietnamese fighters died in the Tet offensive alone (Which lasted from January to August of 1968) than all of the civilians killed in the current ten year war in Afghanistan. How many? Over 45,000 men. Dead. Our generation has seen nothing like Vietnam or many other wars of the 20th century (Thank god). Do you get it now? You are 100% factually WRONG. It is like trying to deny WWII ever happened. Completely and utterly wrong. Admit it and I will forgive you, take back my insults and apologize. CaveJohnson1

Just sayin'

[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

I've already elaborated upon the vast differences between the expansion of the Islamic empire (Initiated due to Byzantine transgression), and the oppressive, brutal, and horrific practices of western imperialism throughout the centuries...coolbeans90

Imperialism isn't justified by alleged transgressions. Otherwise, it would be justified for the U.S. to keep Afghanistan - eternally - as a province. Same for Iraq for it's aggression towards Kuwait. Not to mention Germany, Japan, Italy and so forth. Point being, Islamic expansionism was brutal, unjustified and an absolute travesty. You are a hypocrite, blinded by your ideological biases.

Its true...Western Imperialism has killed Billions of people...You're ignorant if you state otherwise

Nayef_shroof

You demonstrate that your quantitative reasoning capacities are equally as flawed your general reasoning skills.

Anyway, I am done arguing with religious sand zealots.

You're the hypocrite, claiming that I have my own "ideological" biases when you obviously know nothing about history. The peoples under Islamic rule had the option of remaining sovereign, which includes the option of retaining their own beliefs/religions, or they could convert willingly, as it is forbidden is Islam to force upon someone your own ideals/religious beliefs. The majority of the inhabitants decided to become Muslims, as is recorded throughout history. Islamic expansion was justififed by the aggression of Byzantine and Persia. It was certainly NOT brutal, as Islammandated an ethical code of war that has forbidden the killing of innocent civillians (Especially women and children), destruction of property, slaughter of livestock, etc. It's also forbidden to transgress (initiate war) against any group of peoples, unless they are aggressors. (BTW, Islam is the only religion on the planet, at least monotheistic, with these set of principles established).