Afghan Militants Massacre People in UN HQ after Terry Jones Quran Burning.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Just because he didn't physically kill anyone doesn't mean that he is blameless. He did this to inteionally provoke the exact reaction that happen. He holds some guilt in it. Maybe not legally, but morally he does. And I'm so goddamn tired of hateful s***bags hiding behind the 1st amendment. Man up and take some f***ing responsibility you cowards.

surrealnumber5

If you did so know that I would do just that yeah, you have some fault there.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="th3warr1or"] He didn't have to burn it. Everyone knows that those people are like that, there was no point to prove. RAGINGxPONY

Everyone knows people would kill random foreigners if a random guy burns copies of their religious text.

Islam is a violent religion, that is why Terry Jones burned the Quaran, and these people just proved his point by killing 7 innocent people over it. Good job idiots.

you want to believe that is fine but many people don't and that inculdes myself. if your to ingorant to do some reasearch you know they are not any harm.

[QUOTE="GreatEmpire"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Just because he didn't physically kill anyone doesn't mean that he is blameless. He did this to inteionally provoke the exact reaction that happen. He holds some guilt in it. Maybe not legally, but morally he does. And I'm so goddamn tired of hateful s***bags hiding behind the 1st amendment. Man up and take some f***ing responsibility you cowards.

worlock77

Nowhere did I say those Muslims were blamelees. If I intentionally provoke a nest full of hornets am I blameless when those hornets attack someone?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Just because he didn't physically kill anyone doesn't mean that he is blameless. He did this to inteionally provoke the exact reaction that happen. He holds some guilt in it. Maybe not legally, but morally he does. And I'm so goddamn tired of hateful s***bags hiding behind the 1st amendment. Man up and take some f***ing responsibility you cowards.

worlock77

If you did so know that I would do just that yeah, you have some fault there.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] and if i called you a poop head would it be my fault if you went out and killed some mid 20's accountants?surrealnumber5

If you did so know that I would do just that yeah, you have some fault there.

so wait he went through with the burning anyways?:|

wow, and i'm not the least bit surprised it backfired...i thought he wasn't going to do it ?

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

Piss people off? Do you know what Terry Jones reason is or are you simply stating what you think it is? I do not appreciate the man, but he is putting to light what Muslims are capable of doing because of a book.

surrealnumber5

so what were the reasons he burned the Quran?

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]

[QUOTE="tenaka2"] You are obviously intentionally ignoring the point. The bill of rights is a piece of paper also, do you think that if someone announced they were going to burn it, and then did so that no one in the US would have any issues? Do you think America as a nation would just say 'meh, its just a piece of paper'?tenaka2

We regularly get a big dose of images of our flag being burned in the middle east. But I am unaware of a single incident of it resulting in a murderous riot in the USA.

I don't think anyone is saying the muslims in Afghanistan shouldn't have issues with pastor butthead. But killing people is certainly not justified, especially innocent people that had nothing to do with the original offense.

Either do your research and provide the links or you are just pulling it out of your arse.

I never said you were defending murder. You were implying that the general American populace is just as volitile and easily provoked to random murder of innocents as the Afghan muslims have proven themselves to be. You have a big hill to climb to prove that beyond anectdotal evidence.

yes, blame the guy who wanted to show the true colors of muslims. lets not blame the crazy muslims who think they have the right to take the life of random ppl.

GTFO hippies

GreatEmpire

He was intending for people to die. The intended result was for people to get killed, so that he could then point at how violent Muslims are.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] and if i called you a poop head would it be my fault if you went out and killed some mid 20's accountants?surrealnumber5

If you did so know that I would do just that yeah, you have some fault there.

mid-20's accountants beware !!!! :lol:

Just because he didn't physically kill anyone doesn't mean that he is blameless. He did this to inteionally provoke the exact reaction that happen. He holds some guilt in it. Maybe not legally, but morally he does. And I'm so goddamn tired of hateful s***bags hiding behind the 1st amendment. Man up and take some f***ing responsibility you cowards.

worlock77

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Harisemo"]

so what were the reasons he burned the Quran?

kuraimen

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

If you did so know that I would do just that yeah, you have some fault there.

collegeboy64

mid-20's accountants beware !!!! :lol:

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="GreatEmpire"]yes, blame the guy who wanted to show the true colors of muslims. lets not blame the crazy muslims who think they have the right to take the life of random ppl.

GTFO hippies

surrealnumber5

Nowhere did I say those Muslims were blamelees. If I intentionally provoke a nest full of hornets am I blameless when those hornets attack someone?

Crazy religious fanatics have very peculiar cognitive functions that are evident to every normal human being. It doesn't take you provoking them to kill innocent people to make that point.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] does not matter, if it is his property he has the right to do as he wishes to it, including burning it.surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Nowhere did I say those Muslims were blamelees. If I intentionally provoke a nest full of hornets am I blameless when those hornets attack someone?

kuraimen

Crazy religious fanatics have very peculiar cognitive functions that are evident to every normal human being. It doesn't take you provoking them to kill innocent people to make that point.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] No there's a difference between freedom and doing whatever you want without being responsible for the consequences, so the reasons DO matter.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] so men have no higher cognitive functions than a hornet?

surrealnumber5

Crazy religious fanatics have very peculiar cognitive functions that are evident to every normal human being. It doesn't take you provoking them to kill innocent people to make that point.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] he is absolutely responsible for his actions, if the fire went out of control and several people died because of it he would be responsible for those deaths. he getting rid of some of his property and someone thousands of miles away killing people have no more of a connection than i taking out the trash and the earthquake in japan.

surrealnumber5

So I guess you don't actually care about your argument making any sense to support your point... well good for you I guess :P

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Crazy religious fanatics have very peculiar cognitive functions that are evident to every normal human being. It doesn't take you provoking them to kill innocent people to make that point.

kuraimen

I never said you were defending murder. You were implying that the general American populace is just as volitile and easily provoked to random murder of innocents as the Afghan muslims have proven themselves to be. You have a big hill to climb to prove that beyond anectdotal evidence.

collegeboy64

I don't think that the American populace is just as volatile as muslim extremists. I was just trying to point out that its not simply the burning of paper, the act is symbolic.

I tried to draw a parallel.

So tomorrow a Muslim cleric announces on TV that he will destroy the original declaration of independence and bill of writes documents.

Do you think the all American public would say 'That's ok its just paper' or do you think there would be a backlash?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Now you are just being silly, if you knew the trash you're taking out was going to provoke the earthquake then yes you taking the trash out makes you responsible.kuraimen

So I guess you don't actually care about your argument making any sense to support your point... well good for you I guess :P

I don't see how any one could some how blame Terry Jones for this.. This is freedom of speech people.. What he did holds him in no way accountable to what happened in Afghanistan.. I can't believe people are even insinuating that.. If we are going to make this excuse we might as well say that all the bombings by the US are justified due to the people over there burning American flags.. Absolutely absurd.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]I never said you were defending murder. You were implying that the general American populace is just as volitile and easily provoked to random murder of innocents as the Afghan muslims have proven themselves to be. You have a big hill to climb to prove that beyond anectdotal evidence.

tenaka2

I don't think that the American populace is just as volatile as muslim extremists. I was just trying to point out that its not simply the burning of paper, the act is symbolic.

I tried to draw a parallel.

So tomorrow a Muslim cleric announces on TV that he will destroy the original declaration of independence and bill of writes documents.

Do you think the all American public would say 'That's ok its just paper' or do you think there would be a backlash?

[QUOTE="collegeboy64"]I never said you were defending murder. You were implying that the general American populace is just as volitile and easily provoked to random murder of innocents as the Afghan muslims have proven themselves to be. You have a big hill to climb to prove that beyond anectdotal evidence.

tenaka2

I don't think that the American populace is just as volatile as muslim extremists. I was just trying to point out that its not simply the burning of paper, the act is symbolic.

I tried to draw a parallel.

So tomorrow a Muslim cleric announces on TV that he will destroy the original declaration of independence and bill of writes documents.

Do you think the all American public would say 'That's ok its just paper' or do you think there would be a backlash?

Yes and how many times have we seen people driven into violence (especially gays) by the West Baptist Cult (Church)? None you say? So what yet again for something like this its covered under the first amendment.. Of course their our consquences such as be criticized by it civily.. You can not in the slightest be blamed for violence.. Inless its direct in trying to incite a riot or other such thing.. This was not it.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I don't see how any one could some how blame Terry Jones for this.. This is freedom of speech people.. What he did holds him in no way accountable to what happened in Afghanistan.. I can't believe people are even insinuating that.. If we are going to make this excuse we might as well say that all the bombings by the US are justified due to the people over there burning American flags.. Absolutely absurd.kuraimen

No there isn't, people have the right to be complete asses.. That doesn't some how give the excuse to go into a murderous rampage.. I may think this guy is a jackass and usually am the first people here to defend other religions such as Islam (even though I am a agnostic atheist).. But you can not some how blame this guy for any violence..

If people burning american flags in the Middle East know they are provoking the US to go on and kill innocent people then yes they are responssible too for those deaths but that wouldn't exonerate the US responsibility either.

Except we dont' live ina country where people are KILLED for things they say or protest about... You guys seem not to understand.. You don't hav ehte right to shut people up.. You have the right to be critical of them, but to some how make this a cause to violence inless its direclty inciting a riot or other such things.. No just no..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I don't see how any one could some how blame Terry Jones for this.. This is freedom of speech people.. What he did holds him in no way accountable to what happened in Afghanistan.. I can't believe people are even insinuating that.. If we are going to make this excuse we might as well say that all the bombings by the US are justified due to the people over there burning American flags.. Absolutely absurd.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] if it took the equivalent of lighting a paper match to provoke them to violence than any thing would have worked for them. meaning, they were going to kill people with or without the book being burned surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] if he purchased the document and owns it he may do what ever he wants to it as it is his property.tenaka2

....Was that the original Koran? No so what is the difference buddy? As far as I am concerned the guy is free to burn as many copies of Declaration of Independence and American Flags as he wishes.. I won't become violent about it nor will I care what so ever.

Yes and how many times have we seen people driven into violence (especially gays) by the West Baptist Cult (Church)? None you say? So what yet again for something like this its covered under the first amendment.. Of course their our consquences such as be criticized by it civily.. You can not in the slightest be blamed for violence.. Inless its direct in trying to incite a riot or other such thing.. This was not it.

sSubZerOo

Why did you quote me only to ignore the questions?Do you think any Americans would be angry if a Muslim burned the declaration of independence?

[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] if he purchased the document and owns it he may do what ever he wants to it as it is his property.sSubZerOo

....Was that the original Koran? No so what is the difference buddy? As far as I am concerned the guy is free to burn as many copies of Declaration of Independence and American Flags as he wishes.. I won't become violent about it nor will I care what so ever.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Yes and how many times have we seen people driven into violence (especially gays) by the West Baptist Cult (Church)? None you say? So what yet again for something like this its covered under the first amendment.. Of course their our consquences such as be criticized by it civily.. You can not in the slightest be blamed for violence.. Inless its direct in trying to incite a riot or other such thing.. This was not it.

tenaka2

Why did you quote me only to ignore the questions?Do you think any Americans would be angry if a Muslim burned the declaration of independence?

Americans would be mad if anyone burned it.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Eh and if they commit violence without being provoked then yes they are solely responsible but in this case someone knowingly provoked such violence so that person is as much responsible as them for it.kuraimen

Assumptions.. You can not prove that his protest was to promote violence..

in fact that was his only intention with those actions so yes he should be responsible for his actions.

........ No they are not.. He did not promote direct violence with this action.. So yet again your wrong.

I don't know what world you live in where your actions happen in a vaccum that doesn't affect anyone or anything,

Your freedom of speech is free to be criticized.. But to have violence brought against it.. Sorry that is not justified and is no way close to it.. If you guys think otherwise than I happily point you to the ruling by the Supreme Court on West Baptist Church in being allowed to protest no matter how offensive their message is.

your actions can very well cause other people to do things wrong,

Actions yes.. Speech that is not directly advocating violence... No sorry.. If we are goign to go downt hat route we can say that every single criticism out there no matter how small will piss off some one some where to go into a violent rage.. So in extention we are all guilty.

otherwise you might want to exonerate Hitler for the millions of deaths since he didn't directly killed everyone,

You have no idea what your talking about.. Hitler ordered those deaths.. He didn't make some convoluted protest that caused a reaction of other people to do it.. So no wrong.

he just provoked others to do it.

We should ban all comedies then that poke fun at anything,b ecause they clearly are there to provoke people.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Eh and if they commit violence without being provoked then yes they are solely responsible but in this case someone knowingly provoked such violence so that person is as much responsible as them for it.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I don't see how any one could some how blame Terry Jones for this.. This is freedom of speech people.. What he did holds him in no way accountable to what happened in Afghanistan.. I can't believe people are even insinuating that.. If we are going to make this excuse we might as well say that all the bombings by the US are justified due to the people over there burning American flags.. Absolutely absurd.sSubZerOo

No there isn't, people have the right to be complete asses.. That doesn't some how give the excuse to go into a murderous rampage.. I may think this guy is a jackass and usually am the first people here to defend other religions such as Islam (even though I am a agnostic atheist).. But you can not some how blame this guy for any violence..

If people burning american flags in the Middle East know they are provoking the US to go on and kill innocent people then yes they are responssible too for those deaths but that wouldn't exonerate the US responsibility either.

Except we dont' live ina country where people are KILLED for things they say or protest about... You guys seem not to understand.. You don't hav ehte right to shut people up.. You have the right to be critical of them, but to some how make this a cause to violence inless its direclty inciting a riot or other such things.. No just no..

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Yes and how many times have we seen people driven into violence (especially gays) by the West Baptist Cult (Church)? None you say? So what yet again for something like this its covered under the first amendment.. Of course their our consquences such as be criticized by it civily.. You can not in the slightest be blamed for violence.. Inless its direct in trying to incite a riot or other such thing.. This was not it.

DroidPhysX

Why did you quote me only to ignore the questions?Do you think any Americans would be angry if a Muslim burned the declaration of independence?

Americans would be mad if anyone burned it.

The original yes seeing as its priceless piece of history.. A copy like the copy of the Koran? No.. Some would be mad, many wouldn't care.. And littel to no one would go into violent rage and kill some people if they do, they would be charged murder.. And the protest of the person who burned said thing would not be charged.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]I don't see how any one could some how blame Terry Jones for this.. This is freedom of speech people.. What he did holds him in no way accountable to what happened in Afghanistan.. I can't believe people are even insinuating that.. If we are going to make this excuse we might as well say that all the bombings by the US are justified due to the people over there burning American flags.. Absolutely absurd.surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Yes and how many times have we seen people driven into violence (especially gays) by the West Baptist Cult (Church)? None you say? So what yet again for something like this its covered under the first amendment.. Of course their our consquences such as be criticized by it civily.. You can not in the slightest be blamed for violence.. Inless its direct in trying to incite a riot or other such thing.. This was not it.

DroidPhysX

Why did you quote me only to ignore the questions?Do you think any Americans would be angry if a Muslim burned the declaration of independence?

Americans would be mad if anyone burned it.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Why do you guys keep ignoring that people are not JUSTIFYING the actions of the extremists, they are just saying that the blame is shared.

No there isn't, people have the right to be complete asses.. That doesn't some how give the excuse to go into a murderous rampage.. I may think this guy is a jackass and usually am the first people here to defend other religions such as Islam (even though I am a agnostic atheist).. But you can not some how blame this guy for any violence..

If people burning american flags in the Middle East know they are provoking the US to go on and kill innocent people then yes they are responssible too for those deaths but that wouldn't exonerate the US responsibility either.

Except we dont' live ina country where people are KILLED for things they say or protest about... You guys seem not to understand.. You don't hav ehte right to shut people up.. You have the right to be critical of them, but to some how make this a cause to violence inless its direclty inciting a riot or other such things.. No just no..

kuraimen

I could care less what the good and responsible thing to do in your mind is.. The guy has the right to be bad and irresponsible under the first amendment.. Its your right to be critical of it, to embrace it or to ignore it..

Just because you can do whatever you want doesn't mean you should do it specially when it involves dealing with people from cultures enirely different from yours.

yet again you use SHOULD or other ambigious things about your OWN moral percptions when we are talking about FREEDOM of speech.. A person has the right to say what they want here or do what they want with thier property DEAL with it..

It is all part of being intelligent, having common sense and being responsible.

.......Which makes you a hypocrit.. You think this guys action is completely irreponsible and bad, but your condoning the actions of the people who actually committed a crime because they were "provoked".. He just because some guy called me a bad name over the internet doesn't some how give me the right or make him responsible for me hunting him down and killing him.. Sorry..

How the f*** the UN HQ is not guarded properly?GazaAli

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] nope, people are responsible for their own actions, not the actions of others. those others are responsible for their own actions. the killers chose to kill, they were not forced to kill. there was no outside force applied to their being that made them kill.

surrealnumber5

Men live in a society and that makes that the actions of others affect how they act in case you didn't know.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="tenaka2"] That wasn't the question, the question was weather or not you think all Americans wouldn't mind a muslim burning the original Declaration of independence.tenaka2

Americans are cool like that. 8)