Alright Skeptics.. Debunk NASA Astronauts.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

The UFO phenomenon has drawn ire and skepticism from many.. I dare say most. However, there are many cases that have been unexplained, or can seemingly only be explained by the idea that either aliens from another planet or interdimensional beings are responsible. These objects often exhibit flight characteristics that can only be explained by intelligent control, but far above the capabilities of man-made craft. Indeed.. if humans had the type of technology that has been demonstrated by UFOs for at minimum 65 years, we would surely be using such technology in commercial or open military ventures. Some of the most credible witnesses to such events are military personnel, commercial pilots, FAA officials, policemen, and all sorts of former skeptics. However, there is one type of witness that might rank above all of these in terms of credibility. Astronauts. Check out what some of the most credible human beings on Earth (when it comes to flying objects) have experienced, and what they had to say about it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI&feature=feedrec - Buzz Aldrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc&feature=related - Gordon Cooper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkBhME9RCjc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5upFvipUAXs&feature=related- Edgar Mitchell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlOZtfy0MwY&feature=related

Hope you enjoyed that.

StrifeDelivery

Perhaps we should ask the real question: Why does it matter? Would it make you feel better if everyone believed aliens exist? Is it like a fundraiser drive where if you have 90% or more of the population believe in aliens existing that they aliens will show themselves to everyone in major cities? Even if we say we believe in aliens, what good does it do us?

Nothing.

We don't have direct contact, we don't have their technology, we don't even interact with them. Even if we believe it is a mega government conspiracy, do you think we will, as the general public, uncover that? Nope.

So what you're saying is that knowing the truth doesn't matter to you? Because to me, gaining and appreciating knowledge is the point of life.

I could care less what OT thinks of me. It doesn't matter. What does matter is the truth about what's behind the UFOs and ancient writings about similar events. hartsickdiscipl

We don't have direct contact, we don't have their technology, we don't even interact with them. Even if we believe it is a mega government conspiracy, do you think we will, as the general public, uncover that? Nope.StrifeDelivery

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

The UFO phenomenon has drawn ire and skepticism from many.. I dare say most. However, there are many cases that have been unexplained, or can seemingly only be explained by the idea that either aliens from another planet or interdimensional beings are responsible. These objects often exhibit flight characteristics that can only be explained by intelligent control, but far above the capabilities of man-made craft. Indeed.. if humans had the type of technology that has been demonstrated by UFOs for at minimum 65 years, we would surely be using such technology in commercial or open military ventures. Some of the most credible witnesses to such events are military personnel, commercial pilots, FAA officials, policemen, and all sorts of former skeptics. However, there is one type of witness that might rank above all of these in terms of credibility. Astronauts. Check out what some of the most credible human beings on Earth (when it comes to flying objects) have experienced, and what they had to say about it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI&feature=feedrec - Buzz Aldrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc&feature=related - Gordon Cooper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkBhME9RCjc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5upFvipUAXs&feature=related- Edgar Mitchell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlOZtfy0MwY&feature=related

Hope you enjoyed that.

StrifeDelivery

Perhaps we should ask the real question: Why does it matter? Would it make you feel better if everyone believed aliens exist? Is it like a fundraiser drive where if you have 90% or more of the population believe in aliens existing that they aliens will show themselves to everyone in major cities? Even if we say we believe in aliens, what good does it do us?

Nothing.

We don't have direct contact, we don't have their technology, we don't even interact with them. Even if we believe it is a mega government conspiracy, do you think we will, as the general public, uncover that? Nope.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]I could care less what OT thinks of me. It doesn't matter. What does matter is the truth about what's behind the UFOs and ancient writings about similar events. Ace6301

When I see a pile of evidence on one side, and nothing really against it.. I'm going to lean towards the evidence, even if it's not 100% conclusive in the opinions of many.. much less OT.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

That's not what I said. I just told you what I heard when I watched that video.

hartsickdiscipl

But your entire point is they are aliens.. And what other plausible explainations did you offer beside those? Dragon's, time travelers, and angels.. No one is going to take you seriously in this thread let alone this board.

When you take all of the sightings, encounters, etc.. into account, the picture points much more towards aliens from other worlds than dragons, time travelers, etc.. That should be clear enough. If it's not, I think you're intentionally being difficult.

If people don't take these things seriously, that's their loss. I could care less what OT thinks of me. It doesn't matter. What does matter is the truth about what's behind the UFOs and ancient writings about similar events.

:| :lol: LOL so wait wait. You actually think these other sightings could possibly be angels, dragons and time travelers now.. And you have the right to insult our supposed stand on this thing.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

But your entire point is they are aliens.. And what other plausible explainations did you offer beside those? Dragon's, time travelers, and angels.. No one is going to take you seriously in this thread let alone this board.

sSubZerOo

When you take all of the sightings, encounters, etc.. into account, the picture points much more towards aliens from other worlds than dragons, time travelers, etc.. That should be clear enough. If it's not, I think you're intentionally being difficult.

If people don't take these things seriously, that's their loss. I could care less what OT thinks of me. It doesn't matter. What does matter is the truth about what's behind the UFOs and ancient writings about similar events.

:| :lol: LOL so wait wait. You actually think these other sightings could possibly be angels, dragons and time travelers now.. And you have the right to insult our supposed stand on this thing.

I think that they could all be describing the same thing from different points of view and technological levels of understanding. It's entirely possible.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Did you actually hear him say that? His sentences at the end of that interview were extremely unclear as to what he was trying to express. He was stuttering and never put a complete sentence together to say what you claim he did.

hartsickdiscipl

At 4:27, his exact words are "What did I see during the flight? We saw one of the 4 panels to 99.999."

I wasn't convinced by his delivery in this interview. Especially when he had indicated otherwise before. You really think that he would figure out that it was one of the panels 40 years later? That makes no sense.

Not to mention that other Astronauts, pilots, etc. etc. have said much more conclusively that they have encountered incredibly advanced craft under intelligent control.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

But your entire point is they are aliens.. And what other plausible explainations did you offer beside those? Dragon's, time travelers, and angels.. No one is going to take you seriously in this thread let alone this board.

sSubZerOo

When you take all of the sightings, encounters, etc.. into account, the picture points much more towards aliens from other worlds than dragons, time travelers, etc.. That should be clear enough. If it's not, I think you're intentionally being difficult.

If people don't take these things seriously, that's their loss. I could care less what OT thinks of me. It doesn't matter. What does matter is the truth about what's behind the UFOs and ancient writings about similar events.

:| :lol: LOL so wait wait. You actually think these other sightings could possibly be angels, dragons and time travelers now.. And you have the right to insult our supposed stand on this thing.

What he's saying is that when so many people claim they've seen "aliens" (not angels, not dragons, not time travellers) then he's going to conclude that there are aliens (and not angels, dragons, or time travellers).

Example: if 50 people say they saw apples, he's not going to be open to the possibility of them actually seeing oranges, or bananas, or some other fruit. They're convinced they saw apples, so he's convinced they saw apples.

I mean aliens.

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

I don't even think that you're aware that others are luling at you.

hartsickdiscipl

The problem with 95% of mankind is that they give a crap when people laugh at them. The other 5% are concerned with things that really matter.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]I could care less what OT thinks of me. It doesn't matter. What does matter is the truth about what's behind the UFOs and ancient writings about similar events. hartsickdiscipl

When I see a pile of evidence on one side, and nothing really against it.. I'm going to lean towards the evidence, even if it's not 100% conclusive in the opinions of many.. much less OT.

So when Buzz Aldrin says something that fits your preconception, you cite him as an authority, and when he says something that contradicts your preconception, you reject his statement? 'kaychessmaster1989

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

When you take all of the sightings, encounters, etc.. into account, the picture points much more towards aliens from other worlds than dragons, time travelers, etc.. That should be clear enough. If it's not, I think you're intentionally being difficult.

If people don't take these things seriously, that's their loss. I could care less what OT thinks of me. It doesn't matter. What does matter is the truth about what's behind the UFOs and ancient writings about similar events.

DigitalExile

:| :lol: LOL so wait wait. You actually think these other sightings could possibly be angels, dragons and time travelers now.. And you have the right to insult our supposed stand on this thing.

What he's saying is that when so many people claim they've seen "aliens" (not angels, not dragons, not time travellers) then he's going to conclude that there are aliens (and not angels, dragons, or time travellers).

Example: if 50 people say they saw apples, he's not going to be open to the possibility of them actually seeing oranges, or bananas, or some other fruit. They're convinced they saw apples, so he's convinced they saw apples.

I mean aliens.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]So when Buzz Aldrin says something that fits your preconception, you cite him as an authority, and when he says something that contradicts your preconception, you reject his statement? 'kayDigitalExile

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Did you actually hear him say that? His sentences at the end of that interview were extremely unclear as to what he was trying to express. He was stuttering and never put a complete sentence together to say what you claim he did.

hartsickdiscipl

At 4:27, his exact words are "What did I see during the flight? We saw one of the 4 panels to 99.999."

I wasn't convinced by his delivery in this interview. Especially when he had indicated otherwise before. You really think that he would figure out that it was one of the panels 40 years later? That makes no sense.

Not to mention that other Astronauts, pilots, etc. etc. have said much more conclusively that they have encountered incredibly advanced craft under intelligent control.

He didn't "indicate otherwise before". The video you linked to was clearly guilty of quote mining. Since it was from a narrated television special on UFOs, it's perfectly understandable to edit out the parts of Buzz's story that lead to the boring non-alien conclusion. He didn't suddenly figure things out 40 years later and reverse his story.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="CaveJohnson1"]

I don't even think that you're aware that others are luling at you.

CaveJohnson1

The problem with 95% of mankind is that they give a crap when people laugh at them. The other 5% are concerned with things that really matter.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

The UFO phenomenon has drawn ire and skepticism from many.. I dare say most. However, there are many cases that have been unexplained, or can seemingly only be explained by the idea that either aliens from another planet or interdimensional beings are responsible. These objects often exhibit flight characteristics that can only be explained by intelligent control, but far above the capabilities of man-made craft. Indeed.. if humans had the type of technology that has been demonstrated by UFOs for at minimum 65 years, we would surely be using such technology in commercial or open military ventures. Some of the most credible witnesses to such events are military personnel, commercial pilots, FAA officials, policemen, and all sorts of former skeptics. However, there is one type of witness that might rank above all of these in terms of credibility. Astronauts. Check out what some of the most credible human beings on Earth (when it comes to flying objects) have experienced, and what they had to say about it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI&feature=feedrec - Buzz Aldrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc&feature=related - Gordon Cooper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkBhME9RCjc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5upFvipUAXs&feature=related- Edgar Mitchell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlOZtfy0MwY&feature=related

Hope you enjoyed that.

hartsickdiscipl

Perhaps we should ask the real question: Why does it matter? Would it make you feel better if everyone believed aliens exist? Is it like a fundraiser drive where if you have 90% or more of the population believe in aliens existing that they aliens will show themselves to everyone in major cities? Even if we say we believe in aliens, what good does it do us?

Nothing.

We don't have direct contact, we don't have their technology, we don't even interact with them. Even if we believe it is a mega government conspiracy, do you think we will, as the general public, uncover that? Nope.

So what you're saying is that knowing the truth doesn't matter to you? Because to me, gaining and appreciating knowledge is the point of life.

I'm not going to deny that extraterrestrials probably exist, but assuming something is true and then looking at the evidence to back up your original belief is backwards

Given the size of the universe I wouldn't doubt there being some sort of alien life.

I just think people read to much into what they see in the sky and its easy to draw a million conclusions when you dunno what your looking at.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]I could care less what OT thinks of me. It doesn't matter. What does matter is the truth about what's behind the UFOs and ancient writings about similar events. hartsickdiscipl

When I see a pile of evidence on one side, and nothing really against it.. I'm going to lean towards the evidence, even if it's not 100% conclusive in the opinions of many.. much less OT.

Didn't I just leave this dance?

Just because an astronaut says it's so does not make it so, that's the fallacy of appealing to authority. Substantial prrof would help their position.

Given the size of the universe I wouldn't doubt there being some sort of alien life.

I just think people read to much into what they see in the sky and its easy to draw a million conclusions when you dunno what your looking at.

Kcube

U do relize that if anything you're pushing people away from the idea of aliens visiting us because your arguments are so poorly constructed right?

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] 1). Yes it appears you could stand to care less as you've been posting numerous topics on the subject 2). You don't seem to care about the truth so much as aliens having done it.Ace6301

When I see a pile of evidence on one side, and nothing really against it.. I'm going to lean towards the evidence, even if it's not 100% conclusive in the opinions of many.. much less OT.

That, and the amount of evidence presented does not make or break a position, that's a fallacy of some sort, I think appeal to numbers or something like that. You have to consider quality of evidence first, and then all other things being equal quantity can be considered.

[QUOTE="Kcube"]

Given the size of the universe I wouldn't doubt there being some sort of alien life.

I just think people read to much into what they see in the sky and its easy to draw a million conclusions when you dunno what your looking at.

LJS9502_basic

I saw a pie wedged glowing orange streak across the sky in 98/99.My first thought was "new space shuttle".then a few years ago they "start" testing that new plane publicly that fits what I saw exactly right down to the orange glow.

Even nameless (may he rip) featured my article on his website and after that he had a flood of people saying they saw it the same night I did...What They didn't know is I changed the date :P.SO my one story that was true(minus the date to test them) but it turned into "an object glowing orange hovering" to a ton of other things.

I don't if any of you have ever watched the "UFO Disclosure Project," but check it out. This is just a short clip from it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6QNzH4x1rY&feature=related

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]Everyone knows UFOs exist. The question is their origin.hartsickdiscipl

And if you'd watched the videos, you'd know that some Astronauts have come to the conclusion that they must be alien craft. I mean really.. if you're a pilot with top secret clearance, flying the latest and greatest tech, and you see a whole different type of craft doing things that are beyond the capabilities of anything that you've seen.. what are you going to think? When you're an astronaut and you experience the same type of thing, what are you going to think? There are endless testimonials from radar operators, pilots, etc.. detailling these craft performing maneuvers and moving at speeds that we can't comprehend. All I posted today are a few videos of Astronauts detailing their personal encounters, and (some) giving their conclusions based on these experiences. They're not just saying that there are unidentified flying objects. They're saying that they're under intelligent control in some cases, and that they're not man-made.

and there were other people on the planet at the same time trying to keep their craft secret....like i dont know....the russians.

I don't if any of you have ever watched the "UFO Disclosure Project," but check it out. This is just a short clip from it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6QNzH4x1rY&feature=related

hartsickdiscipl

Another very interesting video from The Disclosure Project.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvySTIkMEqI&feature=related

Anyone remember project blue book?

I don't if any of you have ever watched the "UFO Disclosure Project," but check it out. This is just a short clip from it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6QNzH4x1rY&feature=related

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I don't if any of you have ever watched the "UFO Disclosure Project," but check it out. This is just a short clip from it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6QNzH4x1rY&feature=related

LJS9502_basic

No, it means that he decided that it was more important to let people know about it than to play by their rules.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I don't if any of you have ever watched the "UFO Disclosure Project," but check it out. This is just a short clip from it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6QNzH4x1rY&feature=related

hartsickdiscipl

No, it means that he decided that it was more important to let people know about it than to play by their rules.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] 2011-1965 =46. Had he been given Access to Top Secret information he would not be allowed to disclose said information for 99 years after the fact. The fact that's he gone public means there was no access to top secret information about a base on the moon.LJS9502_basic

No, it means that he decided that it was more important to let people know about it than to play by their rules.

agreed.

I've worked at Langley, I know many (though certainly not all) things that go on there and yes there are lots of very secret things going on. and a lot of the stuff was old cold war stuff that hasnt be divulged to the public.

but this guy just heard a comment from some other guy in the room. "oh we found a base on the dark side of the moon". man.....how credible

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] 2011-1965 =46. Had he been given Access to Top Secret information he would not be allowed to disclose said information for 99 years after the fact. The fact that's he gone public means there was no access to top secret information about a base on the moon.LJS9502_basic

No, it means that he decided that it was more important to let people know about it than to play by their rules.

Exactly

Nobody would get away with disclosing classified information.

Another very interesting video from The Disclosure Project.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvySTIkMEqI&feature=related

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] 2011-1965 =46. Had he been given Access to Top Secret information he would not be allowed to disclose said information for 99 years after the fact. The fact that's he gone public means there was no access to top secret information about a base on the moon.LJS9502_basic

No, it means that he decided that it was more important to let people know about it than to play by their rules.

Picture this- The US government pursues charges against a man who discloses information about bases on the backside of the moon.

Seriously? You really think that they would go after this guy? That would reaffirm to the public that what he was telling was the truth. The entire power structure of the world would crumble if that got out. It's a lot easier for them to just let him talk, since most people won't listen to him anyways.

Now this is the part where you say something about how it's more likely that he just made the story up. Given the number of corroborating witnesses to his story and others like it, I have to disagree.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I don't if any of you have ever watched the "UFO Disclosure Project," but check it out. This is just a short clip from it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6QNzH4x1rY&feature=related

hartsickdiscipl

No, it means that he decided that it was more important to let people know about it than to play by their rules.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

No, it means that he decided that it was more important to let people know about it than to play by their rules.

hartsickdiscipl

Picture this- The US government pursues charges against a man who discloses information about bases on the backside of the moon.

Seriously? You really think that they would go after this guy? That would reaffirm to the public that what he was telling was the truth. The entire power structure of the world would crumble if that got out. It's a lot easier for them to just let him talk, since most people won't listen to him anyways.

Now this is the part where you say something about how it's more likely that he just made the story up. Given the number of corroborating witnesses to his story and others like it, I have to disagree.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] 2011-1965 =46. Had he been given Access to Top Secret information he would not be allowed to disclose said information for 99 years after the fact. The fact that's he gone public means there was no access to top secret information about a base on the moon.Ace6301

No, it means that he decided that it was more important to let people know about it than to play by their rules.

I guess you didn't watch the video and listen to what was being said about the photos.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Nope. He'd be up on charges. Is he up on charges?LJS9502_basic

Picture this- The US government pursues charges against a man who discloses information about bases on the backside of the moon.

Seriously? You really think that they would go after this guy? That would reaffirm to the public that what he was telling was the truth. The entire power structure of the world would crumble if that got out. It's a lot easier for them to just let him talk, since most people won't listen to him anyways.

Now this is the part where you say something about how it's more likely that he just made the story up. Given the number of corroborating witnesses to his story and others like it, I have to disagree.

No, they wouldn't. They wouldn't because it would unleash a public reaction that they couldn't control.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

No, it means that he decided that it was more important to let people know about it than to play by their rules.

hartsickdiscipl

I guess you didn't watch the video and listen to what was being said about the photos.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Picture this- The US government pursues charges against a man who discloses information about bases on the backside of the moon.

Seriously? You really think that they would go after this guy? That would reaffirm to the public that what he was telling was the truth. The entire power structure of the world would crumble if that got out. It's a lot easier for them to just let him talk, since most people won't listen to him anyways.

Now this is the part where you say something about how it's more likely that he just made the story up. Given the number of corroborating witnesses to his story and others like it, I have to disagree.

hartsickdiscipl

No, they wouldn't. They wouldn't because it would unleash a public reaction that they couldn't control.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes. They would.LJS9502_basic

No, they wouldn't. They wouldn't because it would unleash a public reaction that they couldn't control.

You really dont think that what was happening to him would get out to somebody in the public?

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

No, it means that he decided that it was more important to let people know about it than to play by their rules.

hartsickdiscipl

I guess you didn't watch the video and listen to what was being said about the photos.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

The UFO phenomenon has drawn ire and skepticism from many.. I dare say most. However, there are many cases that have been unexplained, or can seemingly only be explained by the idea that either aliens from another planet or interdimensional beings are responsible. These objects often exhibit flight characteristics that can only be explained by intelligent control, but far above the capabilities of man-made craft. Indeed.. if humans had the type of technology that has been demonstrated by UFOs for at minimum 65 years, we would surely be using such technology in commercial or open military ventures. Some of the most credible witnesses to such events are military personnel, commercial pilots, FAA officials, policemen, and all sorts of former skeptics. However, there is one type of witness that might rank above all of these in terms of credibility. Astronauts. Check out what some of the most credible human beings on Earth (when it comes to flying objects) have experienced, and what they had to say about it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlkV1ybBnHI&feature=feedrec - Buzz Aldrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc&feature=related - Gordon Cooper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkBhME9RCjc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5upFvipUAXs&feature=related- Edgar Mitchell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlOZtfy0MwY&feature=related

Hope you enjoyed that.

DigitalExile

Perhaps we should ask the real question: Why does it matter? Would it make you feel better if everyone believed aliens exist? Is it like a fundraiser drive where if you have 90% or more of the population believe in aliens existing that they aliens will show themselves to everyone in major cities? Even if we say we believe in aliens, what good does it do us?

Nothing.

We don't have direct contact, we don't have their technology, we don't even interact with them. Even if we believe it is a mega government conspiracy, do you think we will, as the general public, uncover that? Nope.

Well there is a difference between conclusive proof and the general I-believe-in-aliens bit. You're right, having such conclusive proof would be a historical event. But where we are now is simply we don't have anything, just people like TC saying to say they are real. I'm all for conclusive proof and everything, just that, right now, without said evidence, it doesn't matter if everyone in the world believes aliens exist, there would be no proof of it.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

No, they wouldn't. They wouldn't because it would unleash a public reaction that they couldn't control.

hartsickdiscipl

You really dont think that what was happening to him would get out to somebody in the public?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

No, they wouldn't. They wouldn't because it would unleash a public reaction that they couldn't control.

hartsickdiscipl

You really dont think that what was happening to him would get out to somebody in the public?

lol, alien lore.... it's like religion for people that watched a documentary once.

is the universe crawling with alien life? yeah prolly so.

has any of it been here? yes... if you ask some guy selling his book about aliens on earth.