Alright Skeptics.. Debunk NASA Astronauts.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]We don't have direct contact, we don't have their technology, we don't even interact with them. Even if we believe it is a mega government conspiracy, do you think we will, as the general public, uncover that? Nope.LJS9502_basic

I was just trying to cover up any possible counter-arguments I could think of that the TC might throw. I mean if a craft landed in the middle of NYC, there isn't going to a chance of covering that up.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

When you take all of the sightings, encounters, etc.. into account, the picture points much more towards aliens from other worlds than dragons, time travelers, etc.. That should be clear enough. If it's not, I think you're intentionally being difficult.

If people don't take these things seriously, that's their loss. I could care less what OT thinks of me. It doesn't matter. What does matter is the truth about what's behind the UFOs and ancient writings about similar events.

DigitalExile

:| :lol: LOL so wait wait. You actually think these other sightings could possibly be angels, dragons and time travelers now.. And you have the right to insult our supposed stand on this thing.

What he's saying is that when so many people claim they've seen "aliens" (not angels, not dragons, not time travellers) then he's going to conclude that there are aliens (and not angels, dragons, or time travellers).

Example: if 50 people say they saw apples, he's not going to be open to the possibility of them actually seeing oranges, or bananas, or some other fruit. They're convinced they saw apples, so he's convinced they saw apples.

I mean aliens.

No sir if you look at his response to chestmaster he said plainly other possible "possibilities" that are just as plusible are angels, dragons, and time travelers..

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

No, it means that he decided that it was more important to let people know about it than to play by their rules.

hartsickdiscipl

Picture this- The US government pursues charges against a man who discloses information about bases on the backside of the moon.

Seriously? You really think that they would go after this guy? That would reaffirm to the public that what he was telling was the truth. The entire power structure of the world would crumble if that got out. It's a lot easier for them to just let him talk, since most people won't listen to him anyways.

Now this is the part where you say something about how it's more likely that he just made the story up. Given the number of corroborating witnesses to his story and others like it, I have to disagree.

So it's a government conspiracy to cover this stuff up, but the lack of any effort to cover stuff up is evidence for the conspiracy?

Well there is a difference between conclusive proof and the general I-believe-in-aliens bit. You're right, having such conclusive proof would be a historical event. But where we are now is simply we don't have anything, just people like TC saying to say they are real. I'm all for conclusive proof and everything, just that, right now, without said evidence, it doesn't matter if everyone in the world believes aliens exist, there would be no proof of it.

StrifeDelivery

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] He'd be up for charges. Also check out that dark side of the moon picture I posted. You see aliens? I don't.Ace6301

I guess you didn't watch the video and listen to what was being said about the photos.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Nope. He'd be up on charges. Is he up on charges?worlock77

Picture this- The US government pursues charges against a man who discloses information about bases on the backside of the moon.

Seriously? You really think that they would go after this guy? That would reaffirm to the public that what he was telling was the truth. The entire power structure of the world would crumble if that got out. It's a lot easier for them to just let him talk, since most people won't listen to him anyways.

Now this is the part where you say something about how it's more likely that he just made the story up. Given the number of corroborating witnesses to his story and others like it, I have to disagree.

So it's a government conspiracy to cover this stuff up, but the lack of any effort to cover stuff up is evidence for the conspiracy?

come on alien guys i have to say i like you because you think outside the box and question common knowledge but it's time to grow up and put that intellect to use and not fluffing about with fairy tales.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]We don't have direct contact, we don't have their technology, we don't even interact with them. Even if we believe it is a mega government conspiracy, do you think we will, as the general public, uncover that? Nope.StrifeDelivery

I was just trying to cover up any possible counter-arguments I could think of that the TC might throw. I mean if a craft landed in the middle of NYC, there isn't going to a chance of covering that up.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Picture this- The US government pursues charges against a man who discloses information about bases on the backside of the moon.

Seriously? You really think that they would go after this guy? That would reaffirm to the public that what he was telling was the truth. The entire power structure of the world would crumble if that got out. It's a lot easier for them to just let him talk, since most people won't listen to him anyways.

Now this is the part where you say something about how it's more likely that he just made the story up. Given the number of corroborating witnesses to his story and others like it, I have to disagree.

Riverwolf007

So it's a government conspiracy to cover this stuff up, but the lack of any effort to cover stuff up is evidence for the conspiracy?

come on alien guys i have to say i like you because you think outside the box and question common knowledge but it's time to grow up and put that intellect to use and not fluffing about with fairy tales.

Don't forget this is all at the same time of calling us dense or stupid that we some how don't see the supposedly obvious truth infront of our eyes.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Picture this- The US government pursues charges against a man who discloses information about bases on the backside of the moon.

Seriously? You really think that they would go after this guy? That would reaffirm to the public that what he was telling was the truth. The entire power structure of the world would crumble if that got out. It's a lot easier for them to just let him talk, since most people won't listen to him anyways.

Now this is the part where you say something about how it's more likely that he just made the story up. Given the number of corroborating witnesses to his story and others like it, I have to disagree.

Riverwolf007

So it's a government conspiracy to cover this stuff up, but the lack of any effort to cover stuff up is evidence for the conspiracy?

come on alien guys i have to say i like you because you think outside the box and question common knowledge but it's time to grow up and put that intellect to use and not fluffing about with fairy tales.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

Well there is a difference between conclusive proof and the general I-believe-in-aliens bit. You're right, having such conclusive proof would be a historical event. But where we are now is simply we don't have anything, just people like TC saying to say they are real. I'm all for conclusive proof and everything, just that, right now, without said evidence, it doesn't matter if everyone in the world believes aliens exist, there would be no proof of it.

DigitalExile

I knew when I was writing my post that someone would bring up religion. Sigh* I guess I'll try and tackle this one. The whole point of aliens is their physical prescence. Aliens aren't seen like God so to speak. Various religions deal with things after life so to speak. That is really the only time you will know whether or not a "God" exists is once you die.

Aliens, well, they are a physical being. Physical craft. They have a physical manifestation. Aliens and religion are two completely different things, yet you brought it up anyway. Why does OT always have to bring religion into almost every topic?

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

Well there is a difference between conclusive proof and the general I-believe-in-aliens bit. You're right, having such conclusive proof would be a historical event. But where we are now is simply we don't have anything, just people like TC saying to say they are real. I'm all for conclusive proof and everything, just that, right now, without said evidence, it doesn't matter if everyone in the world believes aliens exist, there would be no proof of it.

DigitalExile

Why does OT always have to bring religion into almost every topic?

StrifeDelivery

No fun otherwise.

In all seriousness though, to be fair the TC quite often equates aliens with God/gods in these topics.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]Why does OT always have to bring religion into almost every topic?

worlock77

No fun otherwise.

In all seriousness though, to be fair the TC quite often equates aliens with God/gods in these topics.

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]Why does OT always have to bring religion into almost every topic?

worlock77

No fun otherwise.

In all seriousness though, to be fair the TC quite often equates aliens with God/gods in these topics.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]Why does OT always have to bring religion into almost every topic?

LJS9502_basic

No fun otherwise.

In all seriousness though, to be fair the TC quite often equates aliens with God/gods in these topics.

Repent ye sinners. For the end is nigh.

(Just being a bit silly here, hope this isn't taken for trolling.)

I believe that the concept of God came from alien encounters in ancient times, yes.

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]

Well there is a difference between conclusive proof and the general I-believe-in-aliens bit. You're right, having such conclusive proof would be a historical event. But where we are now is simply we don't have anything, just people like TC saying to say they are real. I'm all for conclusive proof and everything, just that, right now, without said evidence, it doesn't matter if everyone in the world believes aliens exist, there would be no proof of it.

LJS9502_basic

Aliens are logically more plausible. We are living beings who exist on a planet, there are other living beings who exist on out planet. There are other planets in our solar system, there are millions of other solar systems, and they all seem to have planets of their own. Furthermore, there is an untold amount of space that we cannot or have not yet observed, which more than likely contains more stars with more planets. The odds that there is no life on any of these trillions of planets are astronomically low.

On the other hand, there is no evidence of a god-like being to begin with, making the logical and statistical evidence for the existence of god minimal at best. This is what I mean when I say religion is illogical, logic is predicated on what we already know, and what we already know does not support the existence of a god (you have to go beyond what we can perceive for that, into METAphysics). Aliens, while not completely supported by logic and science, have much circumstantial evidence that makes their existence extremely likely, again based on the facts at hand.

Recent evidence undoubtedly points to an (or many) intelligent life(s) seperate from humankind having some sort of presence near our planet.Im not going to scour the internet for the MILLIONS of both pictures and film of such occurences, its understandable that this makes some people uncomfortable and deny it. If we take into account that the universe is incomprehensibly large, and that there are an infinite number of alternate dimensions, it would be absolutely juvenile to assume that ET intelligent life do not exist. With the universe so vast, it would also make it almost undoubtable that one or more such species have the technology to travel to other worlds at will, and have CLEARLY done so, because you dont blow off millions of eye witness reports (looking at a few people here). Also the fact that the government would cover it up is very logical, this general knowledge might cause chaos. Though now even the pope has deemed it accaptable for christians to believe in ET life. The UK has CONFIRMED the existence of UFO's after reports of them came in DAILY from commercial pilots claiming to see craft maneuvering in unbelievable patterns. The evidence favors their existence and presence, sorry if that makes you uncomfortable...

I believe that the concept of God came from alien encounters in ancient times, yes.

hartsickdiscipl

i can't figure out how to link anymore (thanks gs) but if you google "god center of the brain" you should be able to find about a zillion hits about it since it was just discovered.

Recent evidence undoubtedly points to an (or many) intelligent life(s) seperate from humankind having some sort of presence near our planet.Im not going to scour the internet for the MILLIONS of both pictures and film of such occurences, its understandable that this makes some people uncomfortable and deny it. If we take into account that the universe is incomprehensibly large, and that there are an infinite number of alternate dimensions, it would be absolutely juvenile to assume that ET intelligent life do not exist. With the universe so vast, it would also make it almost undoubtable that one or more such species have the technology to travel to other worlds at will, and have CLEARLY done so, because you dont blow off millions of eye witness reports (looking at a few people here). Also the fact that the government would cover it up is very logical, this general knowledge might cause chaos. Though now even the pope has deemed it accaptable for christians to believe in ET life. The UK has CONFIRMED the existence of UFO's after reports of them came in DAILY from commercial pilots claiming to see craft maneuvering in unbelievable patterns. The evidence favors their existence and presence, sorry if that makes you uncomfortable...

soldine

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]Depends on what you call "proof". Seems 4 billion people can believe in varying forms of "God" and divine acts/presense without a shred of "proof." Why not aliens?

theone86

Aliens are logically more plausible. We are living beings who exist on a planet, there are other living beings who exist on out planet. There are other planets in our solar system, there are millions of other solar systems, and they all seem to have planets of their own. Furthermore, there is an untold amount of space that we cannot or have not yet observed, which more than likely contains more stars with more planets. The odds that there is no life on any of these trillions of planets are astronomically low.

On the other hand, there is no evidence of a god-like being to begin with, making the logical and statistical evidence for the existence of god minimal at best. This is what I mean when I say religion is illogical, logic is predicated on what we already know, and what we already know does not support the existence of a god (you have to go beyond what we can perceive for that, into METAphysics). Aliens, while not completely supported by logic and science, have much circumstantial evidence that makes their existence extremely likely, again based on the facts at hand.

[QUOTE="soldine"]

Recent evidence undoubtedly points to an (or many) intelligent life(s) seperate from humankind having some sort of presence near our planet.Im not going to scour the internet for the MILLIONS of both pictures and film of such occurences, its understandable that this makes some people uncomfortable and deny it. If we take into account that the universe is incomprehensibly large, and that there are an infinite number of alternate dimensions, it would be absolutely juvenile to assume that ET intelligent life do not exist. With the universe so vast, it would also make it almost undoubtable that one or more such species have the technology to travel to other worlds at will, and have CLEARLY done so, because you dont blow off millions of eye witness reports (looking at a few people here). Also the fact that the government would cover it up is very logical, this general knowledge might cause chaos. Though now even the pope has deemed it accaptable for christians to believe in ET life. The UK has CONFIRMED the existence of UFO's after reports of them came in DAILY from commercial pilots claiming to see craft maneuvering in unbelievable patterns. The evidence favors their existence and presence, sorry if that makes you uncomfortable...

Ace6301

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

So it's a government conspiracy to cover this stuff up, but the lack of any effort to cover stuff up is evidence for the conspiracy?

sSubZerOo

come on alien guys i have to say i like you because you think outside the box and question common knowledge but it's time to grow up and put that intellect to use and not fluffing about with fairy tales.

Don't forget this is all at the same time of calling us dense or stupid that we some how don't see the supposedly obvious truth infront of our eyes.

once i started getting a bit older i saw it for what it was.

i think it's a combination of younger science minded imaginative guys that get bummed after looking around at how mundane things seem.

that goes away if they are clever enough to realize there are things even better and more bizarre in real science.

you just gotta cross your fingers and hope they start digging quantum mechanics, engineering or chemistry and realize those worlds are more fascinating than investing their time in the theorys of a bunch of failed sci fi writers selling a book.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="soldine"]

Recent evidence undoubtedly points to an (or many) intelligent life(s) seperate from humankind having some sort of presence near our planet.Im not going to scour the internet for the MILLIONS of both pictures and film of such occurences, its understandable that this makes some people uncomfortable and deny it. If we take into account that the universe is incomprehensibly large, and that there are an infinite number of alternate dimensions, it would be absolutely juvenile to assume that ET intelligent life do not exist. With the universe so vast, it would also make it almost undoubtable that one or more such species have the technology to travel to other worlds at will, and have CLEARLY done so, because you dont blow off millions of eye witness reports (looking at a few people here). Also the fact that the government would cover it up is very logical, this general knowledge might cause chaos. Though now even the pope has deemed it accaptable for christians to believe in ET life. The UK has CONFIRMED the existence of UFO's after reports of them came in DAILY from commercial pilots claiming to see craft maneuvering in unbelievable patterns. The evidence favors their existence and presence, sorry if that makes you uncomfortable...

soldine

Guys, I have SOLVED this thread!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeAfoiN5SDw&feature=relmfu

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="soldine"] 1) I never said you didnt, which is why I said with a presence HERE, which is what is being doubted. 2) you see more eye witness testimony, and lets not forget MATERIAL evidence in the form of photos and videos than any of those things... 100x more 3) are you serious? you relly think that if the governments of the world told everyone "yup aliens exist", society would go on as it is? How old are you? 4) statement is useless, I never said it did your intelligence asplodesoldine

1.) you started those arguments

2.) its well known the general population has the collective IQ of a Dorito, you could make anyone believe anything, especially when they WANT to believe something. this includes forging videos, and propogating hasty conclusions made from grainy videos and eye witness accounts. just because something moves unlike anything youve seen doesnt mean its aliens, trust me, I work in the aerospace industry I know what we are capable of, specifically i work in propulsion, so i know how fast we can make things move.

3.) war of the worlds was telling people of an alien invasion with hostile intentions. which is far different than "weve made contact with an extra terrestrial being of significant intelligence".

your life is invalid (are we still going on that?)

Once again, spinning the argument out of proportion, and bowdlerizing what I said. The UK confirmed UFO's that moved in intelligent patterns in unbelievable speeds. NOT JUST UFO's.

The fact of the entire matter is there is more evidence supporting it than not. And now instead of bringing up a valid argument against it, you pick apart my sentence structure.

Once again, spinning the argument out of proportion, and bowdlerizing what I said. The UK confirmed UFO's that moved in intelligent patterns in unbelievable speeds. NOT JUST UFO's.

The fact of the entire matter is there is more evidence supporting it than not. And now instead of bringing up a valid argument against it, you pick apart my sentence structure.

soldine

I see a vheicle moving in intelligent ways at high speeds. it must be extra terrestrials or it could be something like the Blackbird SR-71 durring its testing phase. with cruise speeds of mach 3.2 (which at the time was unbelivable fast).....hmmmmalso controlled by intelligent life. it was also secret. meaning the public had no idea. its important to note that many of these flights were reported as UFO sightings and later confirmed after declasfication that it was infact the SR71

so lets recap. many of these things are govt projects. what dont you understand?

[QUOTE="soldine"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] 1 and 4: Don't put useless things into your argument then if you don't want a retort for them. 2). Awful photos that 90% of the time are found to be certified frauds with the remaining 10% being most likely frauds.. 3). Yeah it would. Most people are incredibly blase toward things that are actually important. Most people don't care about space travel, the LHC, physics in general or mass genocide. They care about taxes and what their neighbour Fred said about their wife. Most people wouldn't register the government saying aliens exist as anything higher than a quip from a television show. They simply wouldn't care. I'm 22 actually and honestly beyond my interest in physics and space aliens existing wouldn't impact me at all.blackacidevil96

1.) you started those arguments

2.) its well known the general population has the collective IQ of a Dorito, you could make anyone believe anything, especially when they WANT to believe something. this includes forging videos, and propogating hasty conclusions made from grainy videos and eye witness accounts. just because something moves unlike anything youve seen doesnt mean its aliens, trust me, I work in the aerospace industry I know what we are capable of, specifically i work in propulsion, so i know how fast we can make things move.

3.) war of the worlds was telling people of an alien invasion with hostile intentions. which is far different than "weve made contact with an extra terrestrial being of significant intelligence".

your life is invalid (are we still going on that?)

Once again, spinning the argument out of proportion, and bowdlerizing what I said. The UK confirmed UFO's that moved in intelligent patterns in unbelievable speeds. NOT JUST UFO's.

The fact of the entire matter is there is more evidence supporting it than not. And now instead of bringing up a valid argument against it, you pick apart my sentence structure.

soldine

If I can't debunk it, I assume it must remain bunked. Or in a state of bunk.

Going from what we know it's hard to make a well concluded opinion that these UFO's are actually "aliens". It's always, "well, we saw this. It was weird and we didn't know what it was." It's not a lot to go by.

Aliens absolutely exist in my mind, but I just don't know about any alien UFO's.

[QUOTE="soldine"]

Once again, spinning the argument out of proportion, and bowdlerizing what I said. The UK confirmed UFO's that moved in intelligent patterns in unbelievable speeds. NOT JUST UFO's.

The fact of the entire matter is there is more evidence supporting it than not. And now instead of bringing up a valid argument against it, you pick apart my sentence structure.

Ace6301

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

[QUOTE="soldine"] 1) dont post invalid arguments in the first place 2) numbers you made up. 3) look what the radio show "war of the worlds" did to the US. Your argument is still invalidsoldine

1.) you started those arguments

2.) its well known the general population has the collective IQ of a Dorito, you could make anyone believe anything, especially when they WANT to believe something. this includes forging videos, and propogating hasty conclusions made from grainy videos and eye witness accounts. just because something moves unlike anything youve seen doesnt mean its aliens, trust me, I work in the aerospace industry I know what we are capable of, specifically i work in propulsion, so i know how fast we can make things move.

3.) war of the worlds was telling people of an alien invasion with hostile intentions. which is far different than "weve made contact with an extra terrestrial being of significant intelligence".

your life is invalid (are we still going on that?)

an argument is a series of statements with the intent of providing truth to another statement. (so yes you initiated)

While im not privey to naming my company online (privacy thing) I will say that we are the largest producer of commercial satellites in the world. and we are located in CA. Ive also worked for NASA at Langley research center.

my project at nasa was in support of hypersonic vehicle research. the design was with cruise capability at mach 10. (that was the design, currently the fastest flight is mach 6.) of course that is just for airbreathing vehicles. spaceflight vehicles obviously travel much faster. and as you can see the space shuttle for instance travelled at high speed and was infact controllable. the russians have had similar vehicles

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="soldine"]

Once again, spinning the argument out of proportion, and bowdlerizing what I said. The UK confirmed UFO's that moved in intelligent patterns in unbelievable speeds. NOT JUST UFO's.

The fact of the entire matter is there is more evidence supporting it than not. And now instead of bringing up a valid argument against it, you pick apart my sentence structure.

soldine

[QUOTE="soldine"][QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

1.) you started those arguments

2.) its well known the general population has the collective IQ of a Dorito, you could make anyone believe anything, especially when they WANT to believe something. this includes forging videos, and propogating hasty conclusions made from grainy videos and eye witness accounts. just because something moves unlike anything youve seen doesnt mean its aliens, trust me, I work in the aerospace industry I know what we are capable of, specifically i work in propulsion, so i know how fast we can make things move.

3.) war of the worlds was telling people of an alien invasion with hostile intentions. which is far different than "weve made contact with an extra terrestrial being of significant intelligence".

your life is invalid (are we still going on that?)

blackacidevil96

an argument is a series of statements with the intent of providing truth to another statement. (so yes you initiated)

While im not privey to naming my company online (privacy thing) I will say that we are the largest producer of commercial satellites in the world. and we are located in CA. Ive also worked for NASA at Langley research center.

my project at nasa was in support of hypersonic vehicle research. the design was with cruise capability at mach 10. (that was the design, currently the fastest flight is mach 6.) of course that is just for airbreathing vehicles. spaceflight vehicles obviously travel much faster. and as you can see the space shuttle for instance travelled at high speed and was infact controllable. the russians have had similar vehicles

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

[QUOTE="soldine"] 1) No I stated them, they were argued against by someone else to make there point seem credible 2) First of all BULL on your job (name the company and location). Im not talking just talking about speed, im talking about pattern, and direction. And no, just how fast, can you make things move buddy? 3) fair enough, but still the real argument remains.soldine

an argument is a series of statements with the intent of providing truth to another statement. (so yes you initiated)

While im not privey to naming my company online (privacy thing) I will say that we are the largest producer of commercial satellites in the world. and we are located in CA. Ive also worked for NASA at Langley research center.

my project at nasa was in support of hypersonic vehicle research. the design was with cruise capability at mach 10. (that was the design, currently the fastest flight is mach 6.) of course that is just for airbreathing vehicles. spaceflight vehicles obviously travel much faster. and as you can see the space shuttle for instance travelled at high speed and was infact controllable. the russians have had similar vehicles

[QUOTE="soldine"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Actually there's way more evidence against it. Like all those people who fake sightings and evidence? All those guys who flat out lie about structures on the far side of the moon? They provide evidence that it's nothing more than wishful thinking. There's no evidence in favor of aliens. It's just things that could possibly be evidence of aliens being construed as evidence of aliens because people want it to be aliens. Also that's great UFO's moving at unbelievable speed. Still not aliens. UFOs. Venus, eye floaters, reflections, planes, weather balloons swamp gas and all sorts of other things can be UFO's. It's literally just something that is unexplained that is seen in the air. I'd hate to see criminal cases being lead by people who consider these sort of things as concrete evidence. Convictions based on hearsay and photos that are proven fakes.Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="soldine"] What evidence against it? There is no evidence against it. People making false claims doesnt make evidence against what they claim, it just makes it false in their own instance.soldine

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

[QUOTE="soldine"] 1) No I stated them, they were argued against by someone else to make there point seem credible 2) First of all BULL on your job (name the company and location). Im not talking just talking about speed, im talking about pattern, and direction. And no, just how fast, can you make things move buddy? 3) fair enough, but still the real argument remains.soldine

an argument is a series of statements with the intent of providing truth to another statement. (so yes you initiated)

While im not privey to naming my company online (privacy thing) I will say that we are the largest producer of commercial satellites in the world. and we are located in CA. Ive also worked for NASA at Langley research center.

my project at nasa was in support of hypersonic vehicle research. the design was with cruise capability at mach 10. (that was the design, currently the fastest flight is mach 6.) of course that is just for airbreathing vehicles. spaceflight vehicles obviously travel much faster. and as you can see the space shuttle for instance travelled at high speed and was infact controllable. the russians have had similar vehicles

I will not because its not better than me listing my name and adress online. and being that I have a real job i dont like those peices of identifying information on the internet for the exploit of others. and if your curious. commercial companys do work with the government all the time. infact i was doing work for a government project last week. so there is my reason. take it or leave it.

youve plainly said you do not know the capabilities of advanced vehicles then laugh when i make a factual claim of their capabilities. takes 3 minutes and 180 miles to do a 180 turn travelling with the vehicle i worked on. if youre wondering. but like anything prespective is everything. 90 degrees from one point of view are mellow curves from another. sports cars dont have **** for handling when compared to advanced aerospace vehicles. you ever see an F-22 pull a damn near 90 degree take off with afterburners on up close? cause i have.

and one more point, your agument that they cant turn like sports cars is fallacious, not only did i ever mention sports car handling, we never even used sports cars as a point of reference.

please. go to college

[QUOTE="soldine"][QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

an argument is a series of statements with the intent of providing truth to another statement. (so yes you initiated)

While im not privey to naming my company online (privacy thing) I will say that we are the largest producer of commercial satellites in the world. and we are located in CA. Ive also worked for NASA at Langley research center.

my project at nasa was in support of hypersonic vehicle research. the design was with cruise capability at mach 10. (that was the design, currently the fastest flight is mach 6.) of course that is just for airbreathing vehicles. spaceflight vehicles obviously travel much faster. and as you can see the space shuttle for instance travelled at high speed and was infact controllable. the russians have had similar vehicles

blackacidevil96

I will not because its not better than me listing my name and adress online. and being that I have a real job i dont like those peices of identifying information on the internet for the exploit of others. and if your curious. commercial companys do work with the government all the time. infact i was doing work for a government project last week. so there is my reason. take it or leave it.

youve plainly said you do not know the capabilities of advanced vehicles then laugh when i make a factual claim of their capabilities. takes 3 minutes and 180 miles to do a 180 turn travelling with the vehicle i worked on. if youre wondering. but like anything prespective is everything. 90 degrees from one point of view are mellow curves from another. sports cars dont have **** for handling when compared to advanced aerospace vehicles. you ever see an F-22 pull a damn near 90 degree take off with afterburners on up close? cause i have.

and one more point, your agument that they cant turn like sports cars is fallacious, not only did i ever mention sports car handling, we never even used sports cars as a point of reference.

please. go to college