Americans, Patriotism and Pearl Harbor

Now before i start this thread i would like to point out the fact that i am not American, but Australian and i cannot put myself in your shoes. However i have recently come across a picture in another forum. This picture contains a lot of Facebook statuses about Americans saying how this Earth Quake in Japan is "payback for Pearl Harbor". Now i can see multiple things wrong with this statement. Well first the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and japan for one. Two i thought America and Japan were very good Allies. Three surely we are past World War 2?

*MOD EDIT:* Removed picture because there's far to many censor bypasses, but you can search pearl harbor on openbook to see what the tc is talking about

I know Not all Americans are like this and i would hope most are very reasonable people but i just found this picture a bit shocking...

Welcome to the internets.

A lot of people have said this also but if Japan had this coming for Pearl Harbor then us Americans should be very afraid of whats to come for all we have done.

This isn't something that is new, pretty much after any major disaster like this you have trolls come out of the woodwork, you must be new to the internet.

Being a history major, this depresses me. So many ignorant people. Wouldn't TWO atomic bombs be enough after Pearl Harbor?

Those people are really dumb lol

Its funny because my FB status was also about Japan and Karma... Only it said "You can only produce hentai involving children so long before karma bites you in the ass..."

Being a history major, this depresses me. So many ignorant people. Wouldn't TWO atomic bombs be enough after Pearl Harbor?

Those people are really dumb lol

Flame_Blade88

It's this little thing called "joking". Try researching it or actually get out of your mom's basement every now and then.

SpartanMSU

However i personally do not know them so i cannot be certain.

[QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"]

Being a history major, this depresses me. So many ignorant people. Wouldn't TWO atomic bombs be enough after Pearl Harbor?

Those people are really dumb lol

super_mario_128

A handful of idiots on Facebook is far from a good sample of Americans.

However it is quite disgusting. I wonder how many of those fools own Japanese products, probably all of them.

They already got revenge on Pearl Harbour...? Hiroshima and Nagasaki anyone? Death Toll in the hundreds of thousands?
What do they teach in history ****s in America anyway?

Pathetic really.

Yeah, it's pretty disgusting.

What do they teach in history ****s in America anyway?Locutus_Picard

Its funny because my FB status was also about Japan and Karma... Only it said "You can only produce hentai involving children so long before karma bites you in the ass..."

Buttons1990

They already got revenge on Pearl Harbour...? Hiroshima and Nagasaki anyone? Death Toll in the hundreds of thousands?
What do they teach in history ****s in America anyway?

Pathetic really.

Locutus_Picard

200,000 killed in Japan vs. 20,000,000 killed in China between 1937 and 1945... Yep, restitution is bittersweet aint it... Oh wait.

Not to mention that the nuclear bombings:

1) Killed far less people that had been killed in Japan and Germany by firebombings (which had occurred all throughout the war)...

2) Saved millions of lives.

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

Its funny because my FB status was also about Japan and Karma... Only it said "You can only produce hentai involving children so long before karma bites you in the ass..."

kuraimen

???

What does Fred Phelps and his band of loonies have to do with my comment?

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]What do they teach in history ****s in America anyway?Elraptor

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

Its funny because my FB status was also about Japan and Karma... Only it said "You can only produce hentai involving children so long before karma bites you in the ass..."

Buttons1990

???

What does Fred Phelps and his band of loonies have to do with my comment?

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

They already got revenge on Pearl Harbour...? Hiroshima and Nagasaki anyone? Death Toll in the hundreds of thousands?
What do they teach in history ****s in America anyway?

Pathetic really.

Buttons1990

200,000 killed in Japan vs. 20,000,000 killed in China between 1937 and 1945... Yep, restitution is bittersweet aint it... Oh wait.

Not to mention that the nuclear bombings:

1) Killed far less people that had been killed in Japan and Germany by firebombings (which had occurred all throughout the war)...

2) Saved millions of lives.

Wow, after reading all that I simply can not wait for L.A to sink. Karma will be a *****

This seems to be the vibe on this forum too. Not necessarily with the tsunami, but with wanting people to suffer immensely for any fault or wrongdoing that ever happened. "Justice" at any price. Does that still have anything left to do with justice?
Anyway, this is the internet, so say whatever you want. I rather have people say it like they think it, then covering all that **** up by masking it with rules and regulations.

This reminds me of one of the internet philosophers talking about transparency. If you get direct communcation like with twitter, where you immediately know what someone thinks, at the spur of the moment, and get information about peoples actions immediately. It creates impulsiveness in communication. And that might harm our communication more than that it helps. Because what i think immediately after an event may be completely different from what i think for real (after some thinking).

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

They already got revenge on Pearl Harbour...? Hiroshima and Nagasaki anyone? Death Toll in the hundreds of thousands?
What do they teach in history ****s in America anyway?

Pathetic really.

Buttons1990

200,000 killed in Japan vs. 20,000,000 killed in China between 1937 and 1945... Yep, restitution is bittersweet aint it... Oh wait.

Not to mention that the nuclear bombings:

1) Killed far less people that had been killed in Japan and Germany by firebombings (which had occurred all throughout the war)...

2) Saved millions of lives.

Yeah justifying killing thousands of innocent people because of hypothetical situations is not a good idea.

For example: I can hypothetically justify Pearl Harbor saying that if Japan would have suceeded there then the US would have never attacked Irak and Afghanistan saving thousands of innocent people.

But fail logic is fail no matter how you put it.

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

They already got revenge on Pearl Harbour...? Hiroshima and Nagasaki anyone? Death Toll in the hundreds of thousands?
What do they teach in history ****s in America anyway?

Pathetic really.

Locutus_Picard

200,000 killed in Japan vs. 20,000,000 killed in China between 1937 and 1945... Yep, restitution is bittersweet aint it... Oh wait.

Not to mention that the nuclear bombings:

1) Killed far less people that had been killed in Japan and Germany by firebombings (which had occurred all throughout the war)...

2) Saved millions of lives.

Yeah Hiroshima is just like Fallout 3 today - People can't even get in the city, supermutants and humans with 4 arms all over... It will be that way for 10,000 years...

Oh wait. It is a prosperus city of nearly 2,000,000 metro that was almost immediately rebuilt after the bombs were dropped.

Wow, after reading all that I simply can not wait for L.A to sink. Karma will be a *****

Mikey132

So after afew random people makes a comment how the Earthquake and tsunami was karma for Pearl Harbor you want LA a city of 3 million people (and the LA regional area has like 17 Million IIRC) to sink. Makes prefect sense (also remember about karma)

Welcome to the internets.

Verge_6

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

They already got revenge on Pearl Harbour...? Hiroshima and Nagasaki anyone? Death Toll in the hundreds of thousands?
What do they teach in history ****s in America anyway?

Pathetic really.

Locutus_Picard

200,000 killed in Japan vs. 20,000,000 killed in China between 1937 and 1945... Yep, restitution is bittersweet aint it... Oh wait.

Not to mention that the nuclear bombings:

1) Killed far less people that had been killed in Japan and Germany by firebombings (which had occurred all throughout the war)...

2) Saved millions of lives.

And I would say you have no right to say if it was right or wrong because you hadn't spent 8 years in total World War, have hundreds of thousands of your soldiers die, and see the real effect of the atrocities committed by the Axis powers.

Do you really think the US made that decision lightly? It's so easy to say we are wrong 70 years after it happened. You have no idea.

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

They already got revenge on Pearl Harbour...? Hiroshima and Nagasaki anyone? Death Toll in the hundreds of thousands?
What do they teach in history ****s in America anyway?

Pathetic really.

kuraimen

200,000 killed in Japan vs. 20,000,000 killed in China between 1937 and 1945... Yep, restitution is bittersweet aint it... Oh wait.

Not to mention that the nuclear bombings:

1) Killed far less people that had been killed in Japan and Germany by firebombings (which had occurred all throughout the war)...

2) Saved millions of lives.

Yeah justifying killing thousands of innocent people because of hypothetical situations is not a good idea.

For example: I can hypothetically justify Pearl Harbor saying that if Japan would have suceeded there then the US would have never attacked Irak and Afghanistan saving thousands of innocent people.

But fail logic is fail no matter how you put it.

Well going by "actual" and "factual" evidence/data - Which included casualties from prior battles... And the claim (by the Emporer (though probably not him directly, but his ministry)) that all Japanese, civilian and military, would fight to the bitter end to stop the American invaders...

It wasn't hypothetical... If Japan had not surrendered... And the US invaded Japan, millions of people were going to die. To say that wouldn't be the case is pure ignorance...

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

Wow, after reading all that I simply can not wait for L.A to sink. Karma will be a *****

Chaos_HL21

So after afew random people makes a comment how the Earthquake and tsunami was karma for Pearl Harbor you want LA a city of 3 million people (and the LA regional area has like 17 Million IIRC) to sink. Makes prefect sense (also remember about karma)

It does make perfect sense. I have ever right to make asinine comment like that.

the difference is I'm joking, no I do not want to see L.A sink. But it will happen someday, what will we all say then?

[QUOTE="Chaos_HL21"]

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

Wow, after reading all that I simply can not wait for L.A to sink. Karma will be a *****

Mikey132

So after afew random people makes a comment how the Earthquake and tsunami was karma for Pearl Harbor you want LA a city of 3 million people (and the LA regional area has like 17 Million IIRC) to sink. Makes prefect sense (also remember about karma)

It does make perfect sense. I have ever right to make asinine comment like that.

the difference is I'm joking, no I do not want to see L.A sink. But it will happen someday, what will we all say then?

I'm sure the ignorant people from other countries will be spouting the same crap the ignorant from this country are.

Besdies, I see just as much ignorant posting on these forums about nearly every international subject than TC's picture. Nobody is innocent here. Always a lack of information and an unwarrented hatred of another person, country, or culture.

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

200,000 killed in Japan vs. 20,000,000 killed in China between 1937 and 1945... Yep, restitution is bittersweet aint it... Oh wait.

Not to mention that the nuclear bombings:

1) Killed far less people that had been killed in Japan and Germany by firebombings (which had occurred all throughout the war)...

2) Saved millions of lives.

And I would say you have no right to say if it was right or wrong because you hadn't spent 8 years in total World War, have hundreds of thousands of your soldiers die, and see the real effect of the atrocities committed by the Axis powers.

Do you really think the US made that decision lightly? It's so easy to say we are wrong 70 years after it happened. You have no idea.

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

200,000 killed in Japan vs. 20,000,000 killed in China between 1937 and 1945... Yep, restitution is bittersweet aint it... Oh wait.

Not to mention that the nuclear bombings:

1) Killed far less people that had been killed in Japan and Germany by firebombings (which had occurred all throughout the war)...

2) Saved millions of lives.

Wasdie

And I would say you have no right to say if it was right or wrong because you hadn't spent 8 years in total World War, have hundreds of thousands of your soldiers die, and see the real effect of the atrocities committed by the Axis powers.

Do you really think the US made that decision lightly? It's so easy to say we are wrong 70 years after it happened. You have no idea.

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well, according to some people, 9/11 happened because of gays :|kuraimen

???

What does Fred Phelps and his band of loonies have to do with my comment?

Considering that what I said is not only legal in Japan, but "accepted" as in you can buy a magazine with drawn children having sex on street corners as if it were a copy of the daily newspaper... I don't see the correlation?

Not to mention that it is obviously a bad joke in bad tastes... I don't believe an Earthquake hit Japan because of hentai... I believe an Earthquake hit Japan because the tectonic plates deep beneath the island chain rubbed against each other...

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"] Just forget the nuclear fallout and the massive destruction/radioactive contamination on the environment will ya? Children born post-Hiroshima had severe birth defects...I'd say that's way worse.

Skittles_McGee

And I would say you have no right to say if it was right or wrong because you hadn't spent 8 years in total World War, have hundreds of thousands of your soldiers die, and see the real effect of the atrocities committed by the Axis powers.

Do you really think the US made that decision lightly? It's so easy to say we are wrong 70 years after it happened. You have no idea.

Way to completely forget the 4 years of brutal fighting we did against the Japanese. Let's also totally forget the hundreds of civilians who jumped off of cliffs willingly just so they didn't surrender to American forces. How about the schools of civilians that the Japanese were teaching to fight with hand-to-hand combat after 5-6 years of propaganda brainwashing them. How about them giving bombs to their kids for when the allied tanks came ashore they could kamikaze the tanks...

The evidence was mounting that the Japanese were not going to surrender in a straight up fight. Taking the honor away from the fight caused them to surrender very quickly. It wasn't a good thing, but neither would be slaughtering millions of Japanese as they did everything they could defend their homelands.

This wasn't a quick "oh they bombed us at Pearl Harbor let's murder their civlians!" like you pretty much have stated. This was after countless battles between them and us observing their civilians on several occasions.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"] Just forget the nuclear fallout and the massive destruction/radioactive contamination on the environment will ya? Children born post-Hiroshima had severe birth defects...I'd say that's way worse.

kuraimen

And I would say you have no right to say if it was right or wrong because you hadn't spent 8 years in total World War, have hundreds of thousands of your soldiers die, and see the real effect of the atrocities committed by the Axis powers.

Do you really think the US made that decision lightly? It's so easy to say we are wrong 70 years after it happened. You have no idea.

Do you honestly believe the intention of the nuclear bomb dropping was to target and simply kill as many civilians as possible? That is the most ignorant comment I have ever heard... If we simply wanted to kill Japanese civilians we would have dropped a nuclear bomb on Tokyo.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were major industrial centers for the Japanese war machine, they were chosen because of their tactical importance to Japan's warfighting capabilities.

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

200,000 killed in Japan vs. 20,000,000 killed in China between 1937 and 1945... Yep, restitution is bittersweet aint it... Oh wait.

Not to mention that the nuclear bombings:

1) Killed far less people that had been killed in Japan and Germany by firebombings (which had occurred all throughout the war)...

2) Saved millions of lives.

Wasdie

And I would say you have no right to say if it was right or wrong because you hadn't spent 8 years in total World War, have hundreds of thousands of your soldiers die, and see the real effect of the atrocities committed by the Axis powers.

Do you really think the US made that decision lightly? It's so easy to say we are wrong 70 years after it happened. You have no idea.

Yeah, these people are pretty damn stupid. America produces a lot of loud, blithering idiots. But you have to remember that you only hear their voices because they're loud and blithering (I mean, come on, look at what happened to your thread. :roll: ). If you tried searching facebook for statuses of Americans sympathizing with the Japanese then I'm sure you'd get a picture that's a thousand times larger.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And I would say you have no right to say if it was right or wrong because you hadn't spent 8 years in total World War, have hundreds of thousands of your soldiers die, and see the real effect of the atrocities committed by the Axis powers.

Do you really think the US made that decision lightly? It's so easy to say we are wrong 70 years after it happened. You have no idea.

Way to completely forget the 4 years of brutal fighting we did against the Japanese. Let's also totally forget the hundreds of civilians who jumped off of cliffs willingly just so they didn't surrender to American forces. How about the schools of civilians that the Japanese were teaching to fight with hand-to-hand combat after 5-6 years of propaganda brainwashing them. How about them giving bombs to their kids for when the allied tanks came ashore they could kamikaze the tanks...

The evidence was mounting that the Japanese were not going to surrender in a straight up fight. Taking the honor away from the fight caused them to surrender very quickly. It wasn't a good thing, but neither would be slaughtering millions of Japanese as they did everything they could defend their homelands.

This wasn't a quick "oh they bombed us at Pearl Harbor let's murder their civlians!" like you pretty much have stated. This was after countless battles between them and us observing their civilians on several occasions.

After reading those comments, I can not describe the things I would do to those people.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

???

What does Fred Phelps and his band of loonies have to do with my comment?

Buttons1990

Considering that what I said is not only legal in Japan, but "accepted" as in you can buy a magazine with drawn children having sex on street corners as if it were a copy of the daily newspaper... I don't see the correlation?

Not to mention that it is obviously a bad joke in bad tastes... I don't believe an Earthquake hit Japan because of hentai... I believe an Earthquake hit Japan because the tectonic plates deep beneath the island chain rubbed against each other...

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] Because its suddenly okay to kill innocent people when its happened to you, right? How about everybody was wrong. We were attacked unprovoked and we responded by dropping atomic bombs on people that had nothing to do with it.Skittles_McGee

Way to completely forget the 4 years of brutal fighting we did against the Japanese. Let's also totally forget the hundreds of civilians who jumped off of cliffs willingly just so they didn't surrender to American forces. How about the schools of civilians that the Japanese were teaching to fight with hand-to-hand combat after 5-6 years of propaganda brainwashing them. How about them giving bombs to their kids for when the allied tanks came ashore they could kamikaze the tanks...

The evidence was mounting that the Japanese were not going to surrender in a straight up fight. Taking the honor away from the fight caused them to surrender very quickly. It wasn't a good thing, but neither would be slaughtering millions of Japanese as they did everything they could defend their homelands.

This wasn't a quick "oh they bombed us at Pearl Harbor let's murder their civlians!" like you pretty much have stated. This was after countless battles between them and us observing their civilians on several occasions.

As it was said before we weren't strickly targeting civilians. If we really wanted to slaughter civilians we would have continued to fire bomb, carpet bomb, and reduce every major city to dust before unleashing any sort of atomic weapons.

The only other option was invade, where we would have been forced to slaughter even more. It was truely the lesser of two evils.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

And I would say you have no right to say if it was right or wrong because you hadn't spent 8 years in total World War, have hundreds of thousands of your soldiers die, and see the real effect of the atrocities committed by the Axis powers.

Do you really think the US made that decision lightly? It's so easy to say we are wrong 70 years after it happened. You have no idea.

Buttons1990

Do you honestly believe the intention of the nuclear bomb dropping was to target and simply kill as many civilians as possible? That is the most ignorant comment I have ever heard... If we simply wanted to kill Japanese civilians we would have dropped a nuclear bomb on Tokyo.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were major industrial centers for the Japanese war machine, they were chosen because of their tactical importance to Japan's warfighting capabilities.

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Maybe I think your comment about hentai is up there with that of good ol' Fred.kuraimen

Considering that what I said is not only legal in Japan, but "accepted" as in you can buy a magazine with drawn children having sex on street corners as if it were a copy of the daily newspaper... I don't see the correlation?

Not to mention that it is obviously a bad joke in bad tastes... I don't believe an Earthquake hit Japan because of hentai... I believe an Earthquake hit Japan because the tectonic plates deep beneath the island chain rubbed against each other...

Yeah apart from the fact that Fred Phelps and his inbred group actually believe what they are saying and actually believe that the US is being punished by god for allowing homosexuals to exist...

Yeah other than that, exactly the same I understand where you are coming from now...

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Way to completely forget the 4 years of brutal fighting we did against the Japanese. Let's also totally forget the hundreds of civilians who jumped off of cliffs willingly just so they didn't surrender to American forces. How about the schools of civilians that the Japanese were teaching to fight with hand-to-hand combat after 5-6 years of propaganda brainwashing them. How about them giving bombs to their kids for when the allied tanks came ashore they could kamikaze the tanks...

The evidence was mounting that the Japanese were not going to surrender in a straight up fight. Taking the honor away from the fight caused them to surrender very quickly. It wasn't a good thing, but neither would be slaughtering millions of Japanese as they did everything they could defend their homelands.

This wasn't a quick "oh they bombed us at Pearl Harbor let's murder their civlians!" like you pretty much have stated. This was after countless battles between them and us observing their civilians on several occasions.

As it was said before we weren't strickly targeting civilians. If we really wanted to slaughter civilians we would have continued to fire bomb, carpet bomb, and reduce every major city to dust before unleashing any sort of atomic weapons.

The only other option was invade, where we would have been forced to slaughter even more. It was truely the lesser of two evils.

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Killing innocent people is always wrong. I can pretty much justify the terrorist 9/11 attacks using the same logic. People in the Middle East opressed with the help of western influence hungry for their oil and people used as their personal gueriila armies against their enemy of turn. Nothing justifies killing innocent people in my book, you can justify almost any massacre in history using past traumatic experiences as a excuse but I choose not to.kuraimen

Do you honestly believe the intention of the nuclear bomb dropping was to target and simply kill as many civilians as possible? That is the most ignorant comment I have ever heard... If we simply wanted to kill Japanese civilians we would have dropped a nuclear bomb on Tokyo.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were major industrial centers for the Japanese war machine, they were chosen because of their tactical importance to Japan's warfighting capabilities.

Um.... lol... Yes... That was the intention of 9/11.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"] Just forget the nuclear fallout and the massive destruction/radioactive contamination on the environment will ya? Children born post-Hiroshima had severe birth defects...I'd say that's way worse.

Locutus_Picard

And I would say you have no right to say if it was right or wrong because you hadn't spent 8 years in total World War, have hundreds of thousands of your soldiers die, and see the real effect of the atrocities committed by the Axis powers.

Do you really think the US made that decision lightly? It's so easy to say we are wrong 70 years after it happened. You have no idea.

They weren't surrendering after a single warhead. It also souns like you have no idea about Japanese culture during that period. Please educate yourself upon how brainwashed their people were.

By the way, your country was completely decimated after WWII (if your PSN tag is correct). I really think that you wouldn't have minded an atomic bomb being dropped on Berlin.

I'm just saying you're ignoring facts just to make Americans look bad all sparked because some idiots who shouldn't be allowed to reproduce believe that this earthquake is karma. You don't sound any better than them brining up an issue that many generations of people have considered was a right move and 70 years later we were all of a sudden wrong.