Another teen Suicede because bullying .. Tweets before death

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Your first paragraph is confusing me, Are you not highlighting the double standard i refer to?

Why should a girl's sex life have such consequences? Why is it anyone elses business? "Slut" is a derogatory term used to describe women who fail to meet Christian standards of sexual morality. You yourself say she did nothing wrong and yet the very next sentence is a judgmental insult based on her actions.

Lastly, My point was completely coherent. People have the right to say what they want but with rights comes responsibility. I don't agree with the Westboro Babtist Church but i believe they have a right to say what they think. I don't believe we have to like it. We should express our disgust and try to steer people away from similar action and take them and people like them to task when they express such views. I'm not condoning criminalizing the actions of those who verbally abuse others but i do condone the public stigmatization of such things.

N30F3N1X

I'm highlighting what you're saying and explained why it isn't a double standard. Males and females don't act the same way.

She freaking asked for them. It's "anyone elses business" because word goes around. What she did sent a huge statement about her. Others expected her to do the same.

And don't pull words out of my mouth.

No, your point was coherent as sh!t. Sleeping with whoever you want as in doing 4 guys at a time at a party is definitely pushing your "rights" to the limit of abuse. You said it yourself, you have to know the limits of what is acceptable.

It is a double standard. Your justification is reducible to a broad generalization about how men and women should or should not act, You then apply an arbitrary criteria based on a strict view of what distinguishes the genders and apply it to all members without regard for individuality or personal choice, The sexism, Whether intentional or not is evident here. Because she is female therefor she must act in accordance with archaic principles that dictate how she must engage with others and how such breaches are to be treated by others. Yet you fail to argue your case as to why these breaches, as you see them, Are in anyway exceeding ones rights to consensual engagement. What gives you or anyone else the right to dictate to others the manner in which they engage in consensual sex?

Are you arguing the case that mere knowledge of an event is grounds to claim right of inclusion? Tell me, What statement did it send? Do you agree that such a statement is deserving or justified?

Kids do need thicker skin.

I just don't believe it is "wrong" is all.

Extremely personal.

Iszdope

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Your first paragraph is confusing me, Are you not highlighting the double standard i refer to?

Why should a girl's sex life have such consequences? Why is it anyone elses business? "Slut" is a derogatory term used to describe women who fail to meet Christian standards of sexual morality. You yourself say she did nothing wrong and yet the very next sentence is a judgmental insult based on her actions.

Lastly, My point was completely coherent. People have the right to say what they want but with rights comes responsibility. I don't agree with the Westboro Babtist Church but i believe they have a right to say what they think. I don't believe we have to like it. We should express our disgust and try to steer people away from similar action and take them and people like them to task when they express such views. I'm not condoning criminalizing the actions of those who verbally abuse others but i do condone the public stigmatization of such things.

mattisgod01

I'm highlighting what you're saying and explained why it isn't a double standard. Males and females don't act the same way.

She freaking asked for them. It's "anyone elses business" because word goes around. What she did sent a huge statement about her. Others expected her to do the same.

And don't pull words out of my mouth.

No, your point was coherent as sh!t. Sleeping with whoever you want as in doing 4 guys at a time at a party is definitely pushing your "rights" to the limit of abuse. You said it yourself, you have to know the limits of what is acceptable.

It is a double standard. Your justification is reducible to a broad generalization about how men and women should or should not act, You then apply an arbitrary criteria based on a strict view of what distinguishes the genders and apply it to all members without regard for individuality or personal choice, The sexism, Whether intentional or not is evident here. Because she is female therefor she must act in accordance with archaic principles that dictate how she must engage with others and how such breaches are to be treated by others. Yet you fail to argue your case as to why these breaches, as you see them, Are in anyway exceeding ones rights to consensual engagement. What gives you or anyone else the right to dictate to others the manner in which they engage in consensual sex?

Are you arguing the case that mere knowledge of an event is grounds to claim right of inclusion? Tell me, What statement did it send? Do you agree that such a statement is deserving or justified?

Dead before her life began. =/ R.I.P.

It's a shame really - I bet she was the only one called names like "wh*re" and the guys were told "You're the man!" :roll:

Double standards, yuck...

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

I'm highlighting what you're saying and explained why it isn't a double standard. Males and females don't act the same way.

She freaking asked for them. It's "anyone elses business" because word goes around. What she did sent a huge statement about her. Others expected her to do the same.

And don't pull words out of my mouth.

No, your point was coherent as sh!t. Sleeping with whoever you want as in doing 4 guys at a time at a party is definitely pushing your "rights" to the limit of abuse. You said it yourself, you have to know the limits of what is acceptable.

FrostyPhantasm

It is a double standard. Your justification is reducible to a broad generalization about how men and women should or should not act, You then apply an arbitrary criteria based on a strict view of what distinguishes the genders and apply it to all members without regard for individuality or personal choice, The sexism, Whether intentional or not is evident here. Because she is female therefor she must act in accordance with archaic principles that dictate how she must engage with others and how such breaches are to be treated by others. Yet you fail to argue your case as to why these breaches, as you see them, Are in anyway exceeding ones rights to consensual engagement. What gives you or anyone else the right to dictate to others the manner in which they engage in consensual sex?

Are you arguing the case that mere knowledge of an event is grounds to claim right of inclusion? Tell me, What statement did it send? Do you agree that such a statement is deserving or justified?

Some of those details, I'm not sure what the source is, Are not an issue of morality but legality. Filming underage sex is a serious crime and the act of sex in public is illigal in many places. That's a seperate issue.

I prefer my morality to be justified, If people choose to treat others in a certain way based on arbitrary moral guidelines that they fail to qualify with reason then any prejudice that results is their character fault to deal with, Not that of the subjective pseudo-offender.

Good thing it wasn't me. If I chose to end it all, I'd take the bullies with me.

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

It is a double standard. Your justification is reducible to a broad generalization about how men and women should or should not act, You then apply an arbitrary criteria based on a strict view of what distinguishes the genders and apply it to all members without regard for individuality or personal choice, The sexism, Whether intentional or not is evident here. Because she is female therefor she must act in accordance with archaic principles that dictate how she must engage with others and how such breaches are to be treated by others. Yet you fail to argue your case as to why these breaches, as you see them, Are in anyway exceeding ones rights to consensual engagement. What gives you or anyone else the right to dictate to others the manner in which they engage in consensual sex?

Are you arguing the case that mere knowledge of an event is grounds to claim right of inclusion? Tell me, What statement did it send? Do you agree that such a statement is deserving or justified?

mattisgod01

Some of those details, I'm not sure what the source is, Are not an issue of morality but legality. Filming underage sex is a serious crime and the act of sex in public is illigal in many places. That's a seperate issue.

I prefer my morality to be justified, If people choose to treat others in a certain way based on arbitrary moral guidelines that they fail to qualify with reason then any prejudice thsat results is their character fault to deal with, Not that of the subjective pseudo-offender.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"] each society has its own set of moral guide lines that act as a code of conduct, breaching this code of acceptable conduct will by all means open you up to ridicule and make you a.victim. These rules are different based on.gender, income level, and location. These are also very obvious sets of rules, running a train on four underage boys at once in a public spot and letting it get dilmed is something everyone knows and accepts is currentlt "socially unacceptable" you.understand by doing so you are accepting what will come next.FrostyPhantasm

Some of those details, I'm not sure what the source is, Are not an issue of morality but legality. Filming underage sex is a serious crime and the act of sex in public is illigal in many places. That's a seperate issue.

I prefer my morality to be justified, If people choose to treat others in a certain way based on arbitrary moral guidelines that they fail to qualify with reason then any prejudice thsat results is their character fault to deal with, Not that of the subjective pseudo-offender.

The articles i've read say nothing of anything being filmed.

All you are doing is providing examples of public prejudice, Not justification for the prejudice. Of course certain actions will attract attention in varying ways but why blame the victim of such treatment? If you are persecuted for being openly gay would you accept the excuse that the person should have remained in the closet? All you seem to be doing is making excuses for those truly at fault by arguing the case that majority rule is right and anything varying from the preconceived, Regardless of how unjustified, Is less valid and deserving of abuse.

This is not to mention the fact that a person is being perpetually targeted for actions they no longer have the ability to remedy, Thus no recourse.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Iszdope"]

I just don't believe it is "wrong" is all.

Extremely personal.

Iszdope

Are you a hippie please?

Edit: woops

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Some of those details, I'm not sure what the source is, Are not an issue of morality but legality. Filming underage sex is a serious crime and the act of sex in public is illigal in many places. That's a seperate issue.

I prefer my morality to be justified, If people choose to treat others in a certain way based on arbitrary moral guidelines that they fail to qualify with reason then any prejudice thsat results is their character fault to deal with, Not that of the subjective pseudo-offender.

mattisgod01

The articles i've read say nothing of anything being filmed.

All you are doing is providing examples of public prejudice, Not justification for the prejudice. Of course certain actions will attract attention in varying ways but why blame the victim of such treatment? If you are persecuted for being openly gay would you accept the excuse that the person should have remained in the closet? All you seem to be doing is making excuses for those truly at fault by arguing the case that majority rule is right and anything varying from the preconceived, Regardless of how unjustified, Is less valid and deserving of abuse.

This is not to mention the fact that a person is being perpetually targeted for actions they no longer have the ability to remedy, Thus no recourse.

i know im going sound really harsh. but kids today are way too soft. these kids aren't getting bullied face to face. its on the internet. it is very easy not to log onto facebook and twitter so that you don't have to see the horrible things people say about you.

i used to get bullied on a day to day bases where people said horrible things right to my face. not once did i think about suicide. i thought about killing them but never myself.

even the bullies are soft nowadays. if they were really tough they would say those things to a persons face instead of behind a computer screen.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"]rofl...sources fkr what? Its reported she trained on 4 dudes and that it was recorded and the rest is all 100% common sense. I cant expect to run outside dressed as a woman and start pretend to be a woman and not be accosted for those actions. I cant call people in a public place fat and ugly and not expect recoil, I cant date an 18 year old when im 45 and nkt appear "creepy". If you do thse things you 100% know whats going to come after unless you are very,stupid.FrostyPhantasm

The articles i've read say nothing of anything being filmed.

All you are doing is providing examples of public prejudice, Not justification for the prejudice. Of course certain actions will attract attention in varying ways but why blame the victim of such treatment? If you are persecuted for being openly gay would you accept the excuse that the person should have remained in the closet? All you seem to be doing is making excuses for those truly at fault by arguing the case that majority rule is right and anything varying from the preconceived, Regardless of how unjustified, Is less valid and deserving of abuse.

This is not to mention the fact that a person is being perpetually targeted for actions they no longer have the ability to remedy, Thus no recourse.

She was a victim of circumstance, Circumstances that other people had a part in constructing. Consequences are often not visible or considered until after the event, Which would leave no option for remedy.

People also have the choice not to bully others. A choice they can easily apply. What ever happened to the saying "If you havn't got anything nice to say don't say anything at all" It's a very easily principle to follow.

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"] Four broads and a dude isn't technically a gangbang.Rhazakna

It isn't? Then what is it? :?

Sounds like there would be a DP with four of them.

Unless she was missing an eye.

Pretty hard not to do victim blaming in this case, IMO.

I did feel sorry for Amanda Todd, mainly because the things she did weren't too over the top and were more justifiable, and the group of people targeting her were very relentless and determined to bring her down (and that kind of behaviour makes me sick).

But this girl...she had sex with four guys, at the same time, at a party, at 15. Nobody I know would even think about doing something like that. Whether way you look at it, anybody who gets into that kind of situation (willingly, of course), is a whore. Of course, nobody deserves to be bullied, but if verbal abuse was all she tolerated, then it does seem somewhat justifiable. I'm actually willing to bet that she killed herself more or less because she was so ashamed of herself for doing what she did; and rightfully so.

.. She clearly had serious underlining problems.. A 15 year old agreeing to get gangbanged by 4 guys at once? I honestly would question the parents on this one... sSubZerOo

It seems like the only people that have kids nowadays are the people that behaved the way this girl did when they were in high school and college.

Pretty hard not to do victim blaming in this case, IMO.

I did feel sorry for Amanda Todd, mainly because the things she did weren't too over the top and were more justifiable, and the group of people targeting her were very relentless and determined to bring her down (and that kind of behaviour makes me sick).

But this girl...she had sex with four guys, at the same time, at a party, at 15. Nobody I know would even think about doing something like that. Whether way you look at it, anybody who gets into that kind of situation (willingly, of course), is a whore. Of course, nobody deserves to be bullied, but if verbal abuse was all she tolerated, then it does seem somewhat justifiable. I'm actually willing to bet that she killed herself more or less because she was so ashamed of herself for doing what she did; and rightfully so.

TheFatPerson

[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]

Pretty hard not to do victim blaming in this case, IMO.

I did feel sorry for Amanda Todd, mainly because the things she did weren't too over the top and were more justifiable, and the group of people targeting her were very relentless and determined to bring her down (and that kind of behaviour makes me sick).

But this girl...she had sex with four guys, at the same time, at a party, at 15. Nobody I know would even think about doing something like that. Whether way you look at it, anybody who gets into that kind of situation (willingly, of course), is a whore. Of course, nobody deserves to be bullied, but if verbal abuse was all she tolerated, then it does seem somewhat justifiable. I'm actually willing to bet that she killed herself more or less because she was so ashamed of herself for doing what she did; and rightfully so.

TonyDanzaFan

Where did it say she was molested?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].. She clearly had serious underlining problems.. A 15 year old agreeing to get gangbanged by 4 guys at once? I honestly would question the parents on this one... TheFatPerson

It seems like the only people that have kids nowadays are the people that behaved the way this girl did when they were in high school and college.

Foster homes, Unconfirmed reports her biological parents died.

I agree, Most girls wouldn't even consider such a thing which suggests she wasn't "Normal". Probably suffering from very low self esteem and other issues that could have led to the initial event.

[QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"][QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]

Pretty hard not to do victim blaming in this case, IMO.

I did feel sorry for Amanda Todd, mainly because the things she did weren't too over the top and were more justifiable, and the group of people targeting her were very relentless and determined to bring her down (and that kind of behaviour makes me sick).

But this girl...she had sex with four guys, at the same time, at a party, at 15. Nobody I know would even think about doing something like that. Whether way you look at it, anybody who gets into that kind of situation (willingly, of course), is a whore. Of course, nobody deserves to be bullied, but if verbal abuse was all she tolerated, then it does seem somewhat justifiable. I'm actually willing to bet that she killed herself more or less because she was so ashamed of herself for doing what she did; and rightfully so.

TheFatPerson

Where did it say she was molested?

[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].. She clearly had serious underlining problems.. A 15 year old agreeing to get gangbanged by 4 guys at once? I honestly would question the parents on this one... mattisgod01

It seems like the only people that have kids nowadays are the people that behaved the way this girl did when they were in high school and college.

Foster homes, Unconfirmed reports her biological parents died.

I agree, Most girls wouldn't even consider such a thing which suggests she wasn't "Normal". Probably suffering from very low self esteem and other issues that could have led to the initial event.

[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]

[QUOTE="TonyDanzaFan"]She was most likely molested as a young girl. Did she deserve that too? I mean, she was a foxy seven year old!! It's her fault for being so sexy at age 5, isn't it? Those child molesters can't handle her being so desirable! TonyDanzaFan

Where did it say she was molested?

But then again, not everybody who's dealt with severe trauma in their lives resort to doing what she did.

[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].. She clearly had serious underlining problems.. A 15 year old agreeing to get gangbanged by 4 guys at once? I honestly would question the parents on this one... mattisgod01

It seems like the only people that have kids nowadays are the people that behaved the way this girl did when they were in high school and college.

Foster homes, Unconfirmed reports her biological parents died.

I agree, Most girls wouldn't even consider such a thing which suggests she wasn't "Normal". Probably suffering from very low self esteem and other issues that could have led to the initial event.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]

It seems like the only people that have kids nowadays are the people that behaved the way this girl did when they were in high school and college.

sSubZerOo

Foster homes, Unconfirmed reports her biological parents died.

I agree, Most girls wouldn't even consider such a thing which suggests she wasn't "Normal". Probably suffering from very low self esteem and other issues that could have led to the initial event.

Please show me where I stated she was a coward. If you knew me, you would know that I sincerely hate that expression.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Foster homes, Unconfirmed reports her biological parents died.

I agree, Most girls wouldn't even consider such a thing which suggests she wasn't "Normal". Probably suffering from very low self esteem and other issues that could have led to the initial event.

TheFatPerson

Please show me where I stated she was a coward. If you knew me, you would know that I sincerely hate that expression.

[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="TheFatPerson"]

It seems like the only people that have kids nowadays are the people that behaved the way this girl did when they were in high school and college.

muller39

Foster homes, Unconfirmed reports her biological parents died.

I agree, Most girls wouldn't even consider such a thing which suggests she wasn't "Normal". Probably suffering from very low self esteem and other issues that could have led to the initial event.

Young teenagers having a party involving group sex, Safe to say alcohol was present. No direct evidence but it would be quite odd if it wasn't.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

Foster homes, Unconfirmed reports her biological parents died.

I agree, Most girls wouldn't even consider such a thing which suggests she wasn't "Normal". Probably suffering from very low self esteem and other issues that could have led to the initial event.

TheFatPerson

Please show me where I stated she was a coward. If you knew me, you would know that I sincerely hate that expression.

Not you, But others have.

stupid noobs, wtf nobody wants to hear how you suicide, its depressing to the rest of us and nobody wants to hear it. Standing up for herself at least wouldnt have gotten her killed.

Let me get this straight... she had sex with four dudes... at 15... at a public party... and her plan was to not get made fun of? Good luck.

Why in the hell would she not expect to be called what she is? She's a wh*re. That's an observable fact just like my skin is white. I'm white. You're a wh*re.

Kids these days are wimps. Suicide is the most selfish thing I can think of. She's upset that people are making fun of her because of her own stupid decisions, so she kills herself. B*tch, how do you think your parents feel? Your siblings? You have tramautized and possibly ruined their lives because you can't sleep in the bed that you made. I am so disgusted by what she did, it's sad what we are all coming to. I know I should feel bad, but it seems that she just wanted attention. I hope it was worth it to ruin your family's lives.

If you're going to make bad decisions then be prepared for the consequences. No one should have to be bullied, but she made a choice to sleep with those guys at a public place with a lot of people around. The fact that she was documenting her death just shows that she wanted attention like Amanda Todd.

Good riddance. Mozelleple112

Also no one seems to have brought this up but, she did decide to kill herself in a really public fashion, I wonder how the train conductor and others who saw her explode into giblets feel. tagyhag