Anti-Science bill passed in Indiana

they should change the terms used so that people can't try and use that "debunking" method. but then i guess the ignorant people would just try to find something else

needled24-7

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[QUOTE="Novotine"] nah see, evolution is an actual science. religion has nothing to do with science. religion is anti-science

in any case, it seems people don't understand what something being a theory truly means. it's not a fact or a law, but it is still considered the "norm", maybe even a temporary law, until it can be proven otherwise.

evolution is a theory, religious creation stories are fairy tales. looks like evolution is winning right now.

needled24-7

What people need to understand is that the colloquial term theory=the scientific term hypothesis. The scientific theory is more comprable to the colloquial definition of proof.

It's Sir Arhtur Concan Doyle's fault really, we should parade him around as a pariah for popularizing the colloquial usage of the word theory. Seriously, though, I'm personally going to stop using the term in that context and use hypothesis instead. But yes, they always find something else. It can actually be explained through scientific means, the law of entropy. There is only one state where an individual understands the difference between the colloquialism and the scientific term, therefore as the number of instances where this disctinction must be understood (i.e. number of people) increases, the probability that the desired state of understanding will be maintained decreases.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

they should change the terms used so that people can't try and use that "debunking" method. but then i guess the ignorant people would just try to find something else

Engrish_Major

Actually, I would like to conduct a scientific inquiry into this. First off, preparing my methodology, how can I test to see if females are made up of sugar and spice?

Actually, I would like to conduct a scientific inquiry into this. First off, preparing my methodology, how can I test to see if females are made up of sugar and spice?

theone86

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Actually, I would like to conduct a scientific inquiry into this. First off, preparing my methodology, how can I test to see if females are made up of sugar and spice?

Engrish_Major

Ah yes, my methodology would put me at greatly increased risk of contracting cooties, but this also presents an opportunity to study the effects of cooties on humans in an actual case study. I know I'm taking an awful risk, but I'm willing to take one for the team, or as Glados would say, for science. I'm doing science...among other things.

is there actual visible evidence of something evolving into something else over millions of years? no... :? if there isn't proof of one thing then you can't eliminate the possibility of something else being true.ZumaJones07

Is this the right time to call you an idiot? Yes, I believe it is.

is there actual visible evidence of something evolving into something else over millions of years? no... :? if there isn't proof of one thing then you can't eliminate the possibility of something else being true.ZumaJones07

is there actual visible evidence of something evolving into something else over millions of years? no... :? if there isn't proof of one thing then you can't eliminate the possibility of something else being true.ZumaJones07

Evolution is supported by fossils,analysing the difference of hundreds of species, and common sense.

Creationism is based on lies and stupidity

tha panda's expression in TC's avatar was my reaction to this.

Depends...is it an additional class on religious study? I don't recall hearing anything about Indiana removing the teaching of science in school so I don't think it's replacing it. In addition.....is an elective?

LJS9502_basic

(Didn't feel like readin the whole topic, so don't me me if this has been mentioned) How bout instead of forcing either upon the schools, why not have both? Although I believe in science more, I also believe In what's fair. Let the kids decide what they want to learn.jesuschristmonk

Because they're kids, because presenting evolution in the same light as creationism skews their view, because creationism is not scientific and should not be presented alongisde scientific theories in a science class, because they can learn about creationism in the appropriate setting (like a church); any and all of these are acceptable answers to your question.

That is stupid, creationism should not be taught in a science class.

(Didn't feel like readin the whole topic, so don't me me if this has been mentioned) How bout instead of forcing either upon the schools, why not have both? Although I believe in science more, I also believe In what's fair. Let the kids decide what they want to learn.jesuschristmonk

(Didn't feel like readin the whole topic, so don't me me if this has been mentioned) How bout instead of forcing either upon the schools, why not have both? Although I believe in science more, I also believe In what's fair. Let the kids decide what they want to learn.jesuschristmonk

I don't think you should be allowed to decide to learn a lie as the truth. Plus kids, especially very young ones, often don't actually decide things for themselves, social pressure from parents, classmates, teachers, can and does influence someone's willingness to learn or believe in something. And if the parents believe in creationism, their friends do (as I'm sure in this region many would), and the teachers teach it, even alongside science, why would they believe or admit to believing the science? They're still going to be pressured to fit in...

I'm fine with teaching competing theories, but creationism isn't a competing theory, it's nonsense. "You should be open-minded, but not so much that your brain falls out"

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They can have a theology class, but it can't be mixxed with science. And even that, I wouldn't find acceptible in any public education system.

Reminds me of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbZKUNvmsCU

Reminds me of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbZKUNvmsCU

imaps3fanboy

"How can, like, an African-American person evolve from a white person, we're different skin."

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Reminds me of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbZKUNvmsCU

theone86

"How can, like, an African-American person evolve from a white person, we're different skin."

I'm sorry I subjected you to that material

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

Reminds me of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbZKUNvmsCU

imaps3fanboy

"How can, like, an African-American person evolve from a white person, we're different skin."

I'm sorry I subjected you to that material

This is one of those situations where I know I shouldn't be laughing because these are real kids being actively stupified by someone who's supposed to be teaching them, but what was said was so ridiculously absurd that I just can't help myself.

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]is there actual visible evidence of something evolving into something else over millions of years? no... :? if there isn't proof of one thing then you can't eliminate the possibility of something else being true.toast_burner

Evolution is supported by fossils,analysing the difference of hundreds of species, and common sense.

Creationism is based on lies and stupidity

Would the sponsors of thie bill have a cow if they taught the hindu version of creation?

evolution is only a theory and hasn't been proven whatsoever so it makes sense to include religious teachings in schools, it's only fair.ZumaJones07

Hi, I'm a Christian (not that it matters to you) , I think that this bill is non sense and should be shot down. Carry on and have a wonderful day. :cool:

Creationists are stupid.

Not an opinion.

Creationists are stupid.

Not an opinion.

TopTierHustler

I'm cool with it, as long as they don't build it on a damn fault line like a cartoon character.

topgunmv

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I'm cool with it, as long as they don't build it on a damn fault line like a cartoon character.

BranKetra

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

I'm cool with it, as long as they don't build it on a damn fault line like a cartoon character.

BranKetra

evolution is only a theory and hasn't been proven whatsoever so it makes sense to include religious teachings in schools, it's only fair.ZumaJones07

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]evolution is only a theory and hasn't been proven whatsoever so it makes sense to include religious teachings in schools, it's only fair.Ninja-Hippo

Although the bill as written could be used to create a comparative religion class, its sponsor, Senator Dennis Kruse, has made it clear that he hopes to see it foster the teaching of creationism in science classes. The original text of the bill explicitly mentioned creation science; it has since been modified to mention a variety of religions, including Scientology. In a brief interview, Kruse expressed disdain for evolution, calling it a "Johnny-come-lately" theory.

tenaka2

Johnny Come Lately????? Why the hell would they put my name in such a moronic law????

I've never met anyone who believes in creationism. And I've lived in some serous backwater places. Who the hell are these people?

In other news anti-Indiana bill passes everywhere else.

[spoiler] unanimously [/spoiler]

I've never met anyone who believes in creationism. And I've lived in some serous backwater places. Who the hell are these people?

sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I've never met anyone who believes in creationism. And I've lived in some serous backwater places. Who the hell are these people?

Inconsistancy

I've never met anyone who believes in creationism. And I've lived in some serous backwater places. Who the hell are these people?

I've never met anyone who believes in creationism. And I've lived in some serous backwater places. Who the hell are these people?

sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I've never met anyone who believes in creationism. And I've lived in some serous backwater places. Who the hell are these people?

Serraph105

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I've never met anyone who believes in creationism. And I've lived in some serous backwater places. Who the hell are these people?

Inconsistancy