Anti-Science bill passed in Indiana

does god NEED proof to be true? it only makes sense that the universe was created and not... just there. things can't just poof into existence.ZumaJones07

Can you see the problem yourself or do i need to spell it out to you?

^ This is the only argument that has been made in this thread, by the way if you talk like that, you are an idiot. And idiot is a adult who acts like a child. How more condescending can you get? TC, you are a terrible thread creator, your thread titles are so full of bias, and very slanted. Your thread title suggest this bill is about getting rid of science altogether. Lets face it, people who believe in evolution really really want it to be true. Going by the other thread you made, it leads me to the conclusion that you have a world view, and you will believe anything that satisfies that world view.

edit: notice he uses the world "believe".... This shows what he is really thinking. Btw, I have not seen a connection between teaching evolution and the IQ rates increasing, it does not make you smarter to believe in evolution.

mahlasor

[QUOTE="mahlasor"]Btw, I have not seen a connection between teaching evolution and the IQ rates increasing, it does not make you smarter to believe in evolution.cheese_game619

My point is that believing/not believing in evolution does not make you stupid or smarter. that is because we do not know the ammount of strawberry ice-cream, and this just proves my point. Anyways, this thread is so bigotted, which is why the TC is one big fat bigot. Remember, being a bigot is about being intolerent of other peoples beliefs. A lot of people in this thread are coming off as bigots. I feel the need to point it out.

edit: I never said creationism needs to be taught, people can find out themselves, honestly I do not think evolution needs to be taught... We have the freakin internet. Everyone should be skeptical, especially of something that is such a hot button issue.

hey, you hear that people born with tails? piss off, you don't exist.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/sarahs28/8-people-born-with-tails-1yzj

hey dolphin with legs that goes double for you.

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2006/11/06/dolphinlegs_ani.html

hey you lying ass fossil fish with feet quit trying to trick people we are having none of your nonsense either.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5325720

hey vestigial organs! go live in some heathens torsos we religious folk are onto your deviltry!

http://www.livescience.com/11317-top-10-useless-limbs-vestigial-organs.html

:lol:

grow up religious peeps, we are sick of saying things like here is some evidence of evolution and you screaming OMG! GOD DOES TOO EXIST!

your own weak faith betrays you. both can exist it's not a one or the other type of situation but you crying and sticking your head in the sand every time some new piece of evidence pops up makes you look like a pack of fools.

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^ This is the only argument that has been made in this thread, by the way if you talk like that, you are an idiot. And idiot is a adult who acts like a child. How more condescending can you get? TC, you are a terrible thread creator, your thread titles are so full of bias, and very slanted. Your thread title suggest this bill is about getting rid of science altogether. Lets face it, people who believe in evolution really really want it to be true. Going by the other thread you made, it leads me to the conclusion that you have a world view, and you will believe anything that satisfies that world view.

edit: notice he uses the world "believe".... This shows what he is really thinking. Btw, I have not seen a connection between teaching evolution and the IQ rates increasing, it does not make you smarter to believe in evolution.

cheese_game619

Believing in evolution may not make you smarter, but thinking religion is important seems to suggest it makes you a good bit dumber.

Quantity of knowledge =/= intelligence, if it did Google would be the smartest entity known to man, but it lacks the intelligence to process it's knowledge.

However, there's a certain amount of knowledge required to express intelligence. No matter how smart someone is, if they're not taught, and denied the evidence of something, it is likely they'll believe lies or fairy tales. Religion often does this with 'faith' (non-thinking) by telling you not to think or question, just believe in what this book says. It's anti-critical thinking. And eventually this type of 'non-thought' may pervade someone's thought process causing ~stupidity, regardless of the quality of their education.

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And at your(mahlasor) original post about the TC's biased title:

I do think that this legislation is 'anti-science' it subverts the progress science has made by instilling denial of evolution, even though it's an extremely well tested and accepted theory. And as one of the most accepted theories in science, it could open the door to questioning the even more accepted theories (such as the Earth going around the Sun, and the moon reflecting the Sun's light), it's incredibly backwards.

And the TC Should be baised against this bill, Creationism isn't a competing theory, it's a complete fallacy. And anyone who would support this bill would have to be Incredibly ignorant and/or devious towards science. It is also clear that the author of the bill wants to teach 'creation science' and thinks evolution is silly. Creationism is fine to teach in a theology **** but it has absolutely No place in science.

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It's not that we 'really really want evolution to be true' it's that it simply IS true. It's religious people who are in the mindset of 'we really really want creationism to be true'

And yet they've NEVER found evidence to contradict evolution.

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"][QUOTE="mahlasor"]Btw, I have not seen a connection between teaching evolution and the IQ rates increasing, it does not make you smarter to believe in evolution.mahlasor

My point is that believing/not believing in evolution does not make you stupid or smarter. that is because we do not know the ammount of strawberry ice-cream, and this just proves my point. Anyways, this thread is so bigotted, which is why the TC is one big fat bigot. Remember, being a bigot is about being intolerent of other peoples beliefs. A lot of people in this thread are coming off as bigots. I feel the need to point it out.

edit: I never said creationism needs to be taught, people can find out themselves, honestly I do not think evolution needs to be taught... We have the freakin internet. Everyone should be skeptical, especially of something that is such a hot button issue.

Honestly in the modern age where everybody has the internet and the evidence is pretty overwhelming, you have to be pretty stupid to not believe that it's true.

does god NEED proof to be true? it only makes sense that the universe was created and not... just there. things can't just poof into existence.ZumaJones07

never said creationism needs to be taught, people can find out themselves, honestly I do not think evolution needs to be taught... We have the freakin internet. Everyone should be skeptical, especially of something that is such a hot button issue.

mahlasor

You are saying science shouldn't be taught in a science class room because it is not compatible with the religious beliefs of fundamentalist Christians who create a false "debate" on it's validity by spreading lies and misinformation, and generally being ignorant and proud of it on the issue. (see the "it's just a theory" routine) That makes absolutely no sense. If people want to brainwash their impressionable young children into believing this stuff based on faith alone, we can't stop them. Trying to brainwash EVERYONES children in such a fashion and compromising their education in the process is not. We all know why Christians want this stuff taught to children as early as possible, because they want to "get 'em while they're young" before they develop sharp critical thinking skills that make it difficult for faith based religious beliefs to survive.

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]does god NEED proof to be true? it only makes sense that the universe was created and not... just there. things can't just poof into existence.Randolph

evolution is only a theory and hasn't been proven whatsoever so it makes sense to include religious teachings in schools, it's only fair.ZumaJones07

No, pretty sure evolution was already scientifically proved. Including religious teachings in schools is fine, trying to pass them as "science" is just absurd.

I just love how these threads automatically turn into "religious people are a bunch of nut jobs and Atheists are geniuses."

Including religious teachings in schools is finenunovlopes

Why stop at teaching creationism? I'm sure you can weave superstitious beliefs into all sorts of scientific areas.

For example, science teachers could discuss the scientifically accepted theories of the solar system, or they could teach children about Helios' sun chariot.

Better yet, why not just make up theories on the spot? They'd be just as scientifically valid, surely?

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Including religious teachings in schools is fineRandolph

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[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Including religious teachings in schools is finegameking5000

[QUOTE="Randolph"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Including religious teachings in schools is finegameking5000

[QUOTE="Randolph"]

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Including religious teachings in schools is finegameking5000

There is not another side to evolution. The universe and earth are billions of years old and life has evolved over millions of years by means such as natural selection, and punctuated equilibrium. These are facts that are not up for debate no matter how much some dumb f*cking religious zelot tries to tell you otherwise.

[QUOTE="gameking5000"][QUOTE="Randolph"] Negative. It is indoctrinating a captive audience. It is illegal, and should always be illegal.

Good-Apollo

No, it's complete garbage. It's a blatant lie perpetuated by religious leaders to help keep control over their heards.

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Including religious teachings in schools is finegameking5000

A 10 day bump? Anyway, thre is no debate, there is no proof of creationism, it isnt even a theory.

Also global warming is real. A huge effort has been made by american politicians to debunk it, but they cannot.

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[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Including religious teachings in schools is finegameking5000

Science will never give an absolute, only extremely high probabilities. No such thing as 'scientific fact', it's a 'proven' theory. It's sad that the bastardization of the word 'theory' affects the findings of science, it's not a word with only 1 definition, though it really should be to avoid this confusion/stupidity.

Hmmm, I came to this thread expecting to see a bunch a of religious nut jobs without even a basic 6th grade understanding of science.

Imagine my suprise when, instead, I found a bunch fo religious nut jobs without even a 4th grade basic understanding of science.

And here, 40% of the U.S. population believes that the earth is less than 10,000 years old:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145286/Four-Americans-Believe-Strict-Creationism.aspxtheone86

Sigh...

This country might be another to add to my hated countries list. It's saddening that belief, which is only supported by faith, isn't separated from science, which is supported by evidence. F*ck Indiana.

evolution is only a theory and hasn't been proven whatsoeverZumaJones07

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2006/11/06/dolphinlegs_ani.html

you kids born with tails! **** you! you don't exist!

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/feb/15/opinion/ed-tails15

you vestigial organs! shadddup already! you are a trick by the debbil! durn'd ol' debbil!

http://www.livescience.com/11317-top-10-useless-limbs-vestigial-organs.html

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]evolution is only a theory and hasn't been proven whatsoeverRiverwolf007

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2006/11/06/dolphinlegs_ani.html

you kids born with tails! **** you! you don't exist!

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/feb/15/opinion/ed-tails15

you vestigial organs! shadddup already! you are a trick by the debbil! durn'd ol' debbil!

http://www.livescience.com/11317-top-10-useless-limbs-vestigial-organs.html

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[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]evolution is only a theory and hasn't been proven whatsoeverInconsistancy

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2006/11/06/dolphinlegs_ani.html

you kids born with tails! **** you! you don't exist!

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/feb/15/opinion/ed-tails15

you vestigial organs! shadddup already! you are a trick by the debbil! durn'd ol' debbil!

http://www.livescience.com/11317-top-10-useless-limbs-vestigial-organs.html

evolution is only a theory and hasn't been proven whatsoever so it makes sense to include religious teachings in schools, it's only fair.ZumaJones07

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]evolution is only a theory and hasn't been proven whatsoever so it makes sense to include religious teachings in schools, it's only fair.jesuschristmonk

I see an issue with having both.Evolution is science. Creatonism is pseudo-science.

Religious beliefs should not be an excuse for ignorance.

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]evolution is only a theory and hasn't been proven whatsoever so it makes sense to include religious teachings in schools, it's only fair.jesuschristmonk

If it's not a theory, then why is it called "the theory of evolution"?

[QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]evolution is only a theory and hasn't been proven whatsoever so it makes sense to include religious teachings in schools, it's only fair.peterw007

If it's not a theory, then why is it called "the theory of evolution"?

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[QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"] (Sorry if people have already pointed this out) Evolution is not a theory. How the universe and what not was started/made is a theory. I do agree with you. I don't see what's wrong with having both. And neither should be more required over the other (though I'm sure you need science over religious teachings for a good number of jobs), and the students should decide what they want to study.wis3boi

If it's not a theory, then why is it called "the theory of evolution"?

I know full-well what a theory means.

Evolution is a theory.

It has been demonstrated in laboratories countless times.

Please return when you know the actual meaning of the term 'theory' in the scientific world

wis3boi

It is a theory. :|

it's not called the Fact of Evolution so the theory can't be all true

ZumaJones07

I think we've all had enough.

it's not called the Fact of Evolution so the theory can't be all trueZumaJones07

[QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]it's not called the Fact of Evolution so the theory can't be all truejesuschristmonk

There's nothing funny about misunderstanding science.

You do realize that the nature of why gravity works is a theory (not a law) as well?

Thousands of scientists all across the world have disproved the "fallacy of evolution" many, many, many times.

Evolution works like this:

Individuals evolve when procreating individuals pass on the most favorable alleles to their offsprings.

Self-replicating organisms like bacteria rely on an extremely unreliable gene copying mechanism which results in all kinds of mistakes / mutations in the next generation.

That's how we humans (and all organic life on this planet) came to be.

There's no question if evolution exists or not.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Please return when you know the actual meaning of the term 'theory' in the scientific world

Necrifer

It is a theory. :|

I also forgot to mention the relationship between birds and dinosaurs (or raptors as an example).

I'm pretty sure all birds have the same foot structure as raptors did, not to mention the talons.

On TV. there was a scientist showing the bone structure of a newly born chicken, and he showed through x-rays that the bones in it's spine that extended out into it's tail had roughly the same number of vertebrae as a raptor's (he even said that with the help of drugs, he could halt the chickens spinal development, to where it could end up with a much longer tail than normal). And slowly and slowly through development, the number of vertebrae would decrease (I don't think they explained how), until it reached w/e number of vertebrae chickens have.

So from this we can see that all birds share some relationship with raptors, and other dinosaurs of it's kind. Just sayin' lol.

Why couldn't God have created the Big Bang? :o

In this day and age if you are a creationist, you are truly an idiotkaangonultas

Why couldn't God have created the Big Bang? :o

battlefront23

[QUOTE="jesuschristmonk"][QUOTE="ZumaJones07"]it's not called the Fact of Evolution so the theory can't be all truepeterw007

There's nothing funny about misunderstanding science.

You do realize that the nature of why gravity works is a theory (not a law) as well?

Thousands of scientists all across the world have disproved the "fallacy" of evolution many, many, many times.

Evolution works like this:

Individuals evolve when procreating individuals pass on the most favorable alleles to their offsprings.

Self-replicating organisms like bacteria rely on an extremely unreliable gene copying mechanism which results in all kinds of mistakes / mutations in the next generation.

That's how we humans (and all organic life on this planet) came to be.

There's no "question" if evolution exists or not.

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Why couldn't God have created the Big Bang? :o

Serraph105