Anyone care to explain why Marijuana is STILL illegal?

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="magnax1"]

Yeah it is. Impaired driving (though not as bad) and general stupidity.

magnax1

Thats great, but either way your ability to think is impaired when you're high.

Anyway, I thought the point of this thread was to show why its illegal. Anybody can figure out why its illegal, what you wan't to know is why people dislike it.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="RPG-er"]cause unlike alcohol, where there are ways to test how drunk you are. you can't test how high you are. gbpackers94

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

[QUOTE="magnax1"]

Yeah it is. Impaired driving (though not as bad) and general stupidity.

StopThePresses

I don't think that "general stupidity" is a very good argument, I've seen pot heads that can easily out smart and intellectually out maneuver people that have never smoked.

However bad an argument that may or may not be, I'm pretty sure the one you just made is worse.

How so?

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"][QUOTE="chris_yz80"] think secondary smokechris_yz80

You would have to shotgun five joints a day for over twenty years to cause any real brain damage. Who has the time for that? And after six montha away from it your brain goes back to normal.

[QUOTE="gbpackers94"]

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"] Sure you can. It's directly correlated to how much you enjoy listening to the band Phish.RPG-er

[QUOTE="gbpackers94"]

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"] Sure you can. It's directly correlated to how much you enjoy listening to the band Phish.RPG-er

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"][QUOTE="sexy-hippo"] Marijuana doesn't have the same tar as cigarettes do. Marijuana has never been proven to lead to lung cancer. But there have been studies where prolonged extensive use raised chances of testicular cancer. Not likely though.sexy-hippo

You would have to shotgun five joints a day for over twenty years to cause any real brain damage. Who has the time for that? And after six montha away from it your brain goes back to normal.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

I don't think that "general stupidity" is a very good argument, I've seen pot heads that can easily out smart and intellectually out maneuver people that have never smoked.

Franklinstein

However bad an argument that may or may not be, I'm pretty sure the one you just made is worse.

How so?

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]

However bad an argument that may or may not be, I'm pretty sure the one you just made is worse.

StopThePresses

How so?

It'll probably be completely legal in 5-10years.It's medically legal in 14 states and there's so many reasons it can be prescribed, like "chronic nausea" and "severe loss of appitete", so with cash and jumping from doctor to doctor until you find a winner, the system is easily beaten.

Same was with alcohol. It was legalized and now the highest cause of crashes are alcohol related... Yeah thats what we need. Thousands of people high as a kite in public places.

Because it's a horrible drug. another thread saved.Daavpuke

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"][QUOTE="sexy-hippo"] Marijuana doesn't have the same tar as cigarettes do. Marijuana has never been proven to lead to lung cancer. But there have been studies where prolonged extensive use raised chances of testicular cancer. Not likely though.sexy-hippo

You would have to shotgun five joints a day for over twenty years to cause any real brain damage. Who has the time for that? And after six montha away from it your brain goes back to normal.

Same was with alcohol. It was legalized and now the highest cause of crashes are alcohol related... Yeah thats what we need. Thousands of people high as a kite in public places.

TheMightyHoov

[QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

Same was with alcohol. It was legalized and now the highest cause of crashes are alcohol related... Yeah thats what we need. Thousands of people high as a kite in public places.

Franklinstein

In a perfect society where every one could do that safely then I would be fine, but you are dealing with human beings here. This wont end well.

People will abuse it and other people will have to deal with their consequences. Example alcohol

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"] read between the lines, i was implying shared brain damagechris_yz80

You would have to shotgun five joints a day for over twenty years to cause any real brain damage. Who has the time for that? And after six montha away from it your brain goes back to normal.

read between the lines, i was implying shared brain damagechris_yz80

You would have to shotgun five joints a day for over twenty years to cause any real brain damage. Who has the time for that? And after six montha away from it your brain goes back to normal.

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

Same was with alcohol. It was legalized and now the highest cause of crashes are alcohol related... Yeah thats what we need. Thousands of people high as a kite in public places.

TheMightyHoov

In a perfect society where every one could do that safely then I would be fine, but you are dealing with human beings here. This wont end well.

[QUOTE="Daavpuke"]Because it's a horrible drug. another thread saved.Franklinstein

[QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"] It's illegal to be drunk in public, people do it anyway, it's illegal to be high in public, people do it anyway, same goes with driving on both issues, people do it anyway, so what's the difference if it's legal? I actually believe that less people would abuse marijuana if it was legal, because they would be able to buy it from the store, safely drive home and use it.Franklinstein

In a perfect society where every one could do that safely then I would be fine, but you are dealing with human beings here. This wont end well.

Like people will really wait until they get home? Thats exactly like alcohol. You could buy it and go back home to drink, but a majority of people I have seen drink it right after they leave the store and drive home. If its legalized it will have adverse affects just like alcohol did except more openly. People dont care who it affects as long as they can get a drink, or in this case a high

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"][QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

You would have to shotgun five joints a day for over twenty years to cause any real brain damage. Who has the time for that? And after six montha away from it your brain goes back to normal.

Franklinstein

I know kids who've smoked it since grade school. Soem of them are the smartest kids I know. Some are the dumbest. It depends on the person and where their priorities are. If their priority is marijuana then they are more likely to be dumb because thats all their life is about. The smartest person I know (Its not me and that pisses me off) smokes it nearly every day and she's into everything in school thats not about brawn or popularity. The argument that it makes people dumb has as much disproof as proof.

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"][QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

You would have to shotgun five joints a day for over twenty years to cause any real brain damage. Who has the time for that? And after six montha away from it your brain goes back to normal.

Franklinstein

So it seems your whole argument is that its not as bad as alcohol?

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Daavpuke"]Because it's a horrible drug. another thread saved.Daavpuke

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="chris_yz80"] but what about the effect on a developing brain? If your kids are exposed to it regulargly it is likely that their brain chemistry will change due to the smoke permanetly, and i have met people who have been on it regualry and well theres nothing there mentallymagnax1

So it seems your whole argument is that its not as bad as alcohol?

I don't know but it just feels like there is evil about it. Whether you do it or not your little voice in your head no matter how loud or quietthe voice isits telling you not too smoke pot... My little voice in my head has never failed me so... anyways since when are drugs and smoking cool?

That is an unfortunate side effect, yet I do not believe that it is (a) Proven (b) a good enough reason to be illegal, it is no where near as harmful to a developing brain as alcohol and if Marijuana was legalized, it would have age limits just like alcohol.Franklinstein

So it seems your whole argument is that its not as bad as alcohol?

I don't know but it just feels like there is evil about it. Whether you do it or not your little voice in your head no matter how loud or quietthe voice isits telling you not too smoke pot... My little voice in my head has never failed me so... anyways since when are drugs and smoking cool?

optiplex7

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="chris_yz80"] but what about the effect on a developing brain? If your kids are exposed to it regulargly it is likely that their brain chemistry will change due to the smoke permanetly, and i have met people who have been on it regualry and well theres nothing there mentallysexy-hippo

I know kids who've smoked it since grade school. Soem of them are the smartest kids I know. Some are the dumbest. It depends on the person and where their priorities are. If their priority is marijuana then they are more likely to be dumb because thats all their life is about. The smartest person I know (Its not me and that pisses me off) smokes it nearly every day and she's into everything in school thats not about brawn or popularity. The argument that it makes people dumb has as much disproof as proof.

Because big business, tobacco and alcohol, don't want it legalized (more competition). Agent-Zero

[QUOTE="Daavpuke"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"] It's a shame that you have no basis for your argument and I have lots for mine.Franklinstein

No... This is definitely your opinion that it should be legalized.

Btw no response to my previous post? I can wait :)

Wait why was it illegal in the first place if it was a plant? Why did they have to make it illegal?

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Daavpuke"] that's your given right, but I couldn't disagree more.Daavpuke

Wait why was it illegal in the first place if it was a plant? Why did they have to make it illegal?

optiplex7

Same thing with alcohol. Why was it illegal? It just a drink right?

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

In a perfect society where every one could do that safely then I would be fine, but you are dealing with human beings here. This wont end well.

TheMightyHoov

Like people will really wait until they get home? Thats exactly like alcohol. You could buy it and go back home to drink, but a majority of people I have seen drink it right after they leave the store and drive home. If its legalized it will have adverse affects just like alcohol did except more openly. People dont care who it affects as long as they can get a drink, or in this case a high

[QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"] Sure, everyone is human, but you have to admit my point here, which would be safer? Driving to a drug dealers house, smoking with him, then driving back home? Or, driving to the store buying it, going home and smoking it?Franklinstein

Like people will really wait until they get home? Thats exactly like alcohol. You could buy it and go back home to drink, but a majority of people I have seen drink it right after they leave the store and drive home. If its legalized it will have adverse affects just like alcohol did except more openly. People dont care who it affects as long as they can get a drink, or in this case a high

No, making it legal basically opens the door for increased abuse. You really believe that making it legal is better because people wont have to get it from drug dealers?

[QUOTE="optiplex7"]

I know so. Yours is the opinion, mine is the facts.

TheMightyHoov

No... This is definitely your opinion that it should be legalized.

Btw no response to my previous post? I can wait :)

You should read the entire string of quotations, I said it had millions of uses, he said it didn't.

Wait why was it illegal in the first place if it was a plant? Why did they have to make it illegal?

optiplex7

I think they made it illegal because cotton farmers didn't want hemp to compete with cotton, and they wanted to criminalize Mexicans.

I know kids who've smoked it since grade school. Soem of them are the smartest kids I know. Some are the dumbest. It depends on the person and where their priorities are. If their priority is marijuana then they are more likely to be dumb because thats all their life is about. The smartest person I know (Its not me and that pisses me off) smokes it nearly every day and she's into everything in school thats not about brawn or popularity. The argument that it makes people dumb has as much disproof as proof.

sexy-hippo

I used a similar line of reasoning to yours to draw that conclusion.

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

Like people will really wait until they get home? Thats exactly like alcohol. You could buy it and go back home to drink, but a majority of people I have seen drink it right after they leave the store and drive home. If its legalized it will have adverse affects just like alcohol did except more openly. People dont care who it affects as long as they can get a drink, or in this case a high

TheMightyHoov

No, making it legal basically opens the door for increased abuse. You really believe that making it legal is better because people wont have to get it from drug dealers?

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Daavpuke"] If you think so.TheMightyHoov

No... This is definitely your opinion that it should be legalized.

Btw no response to my previous post? I can wait :)

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

I know kids who've smoked it since grade school. Soem of them are the smartest kids I know. Some are the dumbest. It depends on the person and where their priorities are. If their priority is marijuana then they are more likely to be dumb because thats all their life is about. The smartest person I know (Its not me and that pisses me off) smokes it nearly every day and she's into everything in school thats not about brawn or popularity. The argument that it makes people dumb has as much disproof as proof.

StopThePresses

I used a similar line of reasoning to yours to draw that conclusion.

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

Like people will really wait until they get home? Thats exactly like alcohol. You could buy it and go back home to drink, but a majority of people I have seen drink it right after they leave the store and drive home. If its legalized it will have adverse affects just like alcohol did except more openly. People dont care who it affects as long as they can get a drink, or in this case a high

TheMightyHoov

No, making it legal basically opens the door for increased abuse. You really believe that making it legal is better because people wont have to get it from drug dealers?

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

I know kids who've smoked it since grade school. Soem of them are the smartest kids I know. Some are the dumbest. It depends on the person and where their priorities are. If their priority is marijuana then they are more likely to be dumb because thats all their life is about. The smartest person I know (Its not me and that pisses me off) smokes it nearly every day and she's into everything in school thats not about brawn or popularity. The argument that it makes people dumb has as much disproof as proof.

Franklinstein

I used a similar line of reasoning to yours to draw that conclusion.

[QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"] People will abuse it, I'm not arguing that, people abuse it now, I'm arguing that if we take the dangerous aspects of buying it out of the equation it will be abused less.Franklinstein

No, making it legal basically opens the door for increased abuse. You really believe that making it legal is better because people wont have to get it from drug dealers?

And legalizing made everything fine.... Oh wait