Anyone care to explain why Marijuana is STILL illegal?

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[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

I know kids who've smoked it since grade school. Soem of them are the smartest kids I know. Some are the dumbest. It depends on the person and where their priorities are. If their priority is marijuana then they are more likely to be dumb because thats all their life is about. The smartest person I know (Its not me and that pisses me off) smokes it nearly every day and she's into everything in school thats not about brawn or popularity. The argument that it makes people dumb has as much disproof as proof.

Franklinstein

I used a similar line of reasoning to yours to draw that conclusion.

[QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"] People will abuse it, I'm not arguing that, people abuse it now, I'm arguing that if we take the dangerous aspects of buying it out of the equation it will be abused less.StopThePresses

No, making it legal basically opens the door for increased abuse. You really believe that making it legal is better because people wont have to get it from drug dealers?

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I know kids who've smoked it since grade school. Soem of them are the smartest kids I know. Some are the dumbest. It depends on the person and where their priorities are. If their priority is marijuana then they are more likely to be dumb because thats all their life is about. The smartest person I know (Its not me and that pisses me off) smokes it nearly every day and she's into everything in school thats not about brawn or popularity. The argument that it makes people dumb has as much disproof as proof.

I used a similar line of reasoning to yours to draw that conclusion.

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

No, making it legal basically opens the door for increased abuse. You really believe that making it legal is better because people wont have to get it from drug dealers?

TheMightyHoov

And legalizing made everything fine.... Oh wait

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

No, making it legal basically opens the door for increased abuse. You really believe that making it legal is better because people wont have to get it from drug dealers?

Franklinstein

Because its smelly!

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"] I do. It's much of the reason that alcohol was re-legalized.StopThePresses

Because its smelly!

Montaya

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"] So then cigarettes don't cause cancer.

I used a similar line of reasoning to yours to draw that conclusion.

GameGuy642003

Even if global warming is a hoax I still support going green. There's been too many wars over foreign fuel sources and wildlife needs a break from trash. Why not make labels with paper made from hemp instead of cutting down trees. Sounds like a good idea to me.

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"] Except, cigarettes have been proven to cause cancer, marijuana has not been proven to cause brain damage or loss of brain development, or lung cancer, or anything.sexy-hippo

Even if global warming is a hoax I still support going green. There's been too many wars over foreign fuel sources and wildlife needs a break from trash. Why not make labels with paper made from hemp instead of cutting down trees. Sounds like a good idea to me.

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

I know kids who've smoked it since grade school. Soem of them are the smartest kids I know. Some are the dumbest. It depends on the person and where their priorities are. If their priority is marijuana then they are more likely to be dumb because thats all their life is about. The smartest person I know (Its not me and that pisses me off) smokes it nearly every day and she's into everything in school thats not about brawn or popularity. The argument that it makes people dumb has as much disproof as proof.

I used a similar line of reasoning to yours to draw that conclusion.

[QUOTE="GameGuy642003"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"] Except, cigarettes have been proven to cause cancer, marijuana has not been proven to cause brain damage or loss of brain development, or lung cancer, or anything.sexy-hippo

Even if global warming is a hoax I still support going green. There's been too many wars over foreign fuel sources and wildlife needs a break from trash. Why not make labels with paper made from hemp instead of cutting down trees. Sounds like a good idea to me.

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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"] YES, we are slowly turning people sexy-hippo!Franklinstein

[QUOTE="TheMightyHoov"]

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"] Yes, I do, and I have a perfect little piece of evidence, just look at the time surrounding prohibition. Think about how much more trouble alcohol caused when it was illegal.Franklinstein

And legalizing made everything fine.... Oh wait

I see nothing good coming from it. Giving people something that impairs the mind and makes them feel good is jut asking for something bad to happen

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight and the earth is magically getting hotterGameGuy642003

Even if global warming is a hoax I still support going green. There's been too many wars over foreign fuel sources and wildlife needs a break from trash. Why not make labels with paper made from hemp instead of cutting down trees. Sounds like a good idea to me.

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"] So then cigarettes don't cause cancer.

I used a similar line of reasoning to yours to draw that conclusion.

StopThePresses

With people whose priority is school and people whose priority is smoking weed determining degree of education? I still don't see where you're coming from.

I busted some pot smoker driving once, they got in big trouble same punishment for alcohol and driving.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="sexy-hippo"] How do you come to that conclusion? There's physical proof that tobacco causes cancer. There is no evidence that just because you smoke pot you will be dumb. If there is I would like to see it. I'm sure as hell not stupid.sexy-hippo

With people whose priority is school and people whose priority is smoking weed determining degree of education? I still don't see where you're coming from.

I busted some pot smoker driving once, they got in big trouble same punishment for alcohol and driving.

optiplex7

[QUOTE="optiplex7"]

I busted some pot smoker driving once, they got in big trouble same punishment for alcohol and driving.

StopThePresses

I guy in my town has been found drunk several times while behind the wheel. They didnt revoke his license until after he killed someone while driving intoxicated. Before that happened he had 4 DWI's :?

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"] The validity of a line of reasoning does not solely rest upon whether it arrives at a conclusion which is correct. The sun is a star and therefore cats are mammals. That argument has just about as much validity. StopThePresses

With people whose priority is school and people whose priority is smoking weed determining degree of education? I still don't see where you're coming from.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

With people whose priority is school and people whose priority is smoking weed determining degree of education? I still don't see where you're coming from.

csimonma

go to a doctor, say u have hardcore back pain, get yourself a medical marijuana card

go to a place that has a license to sell, and you're fine

marijuana actually is not bad at all compared to Alcohol and Cigarettes, as TC has said

also has benefits that have been proven, like reducing stress, relieving pain, etc.

certain strains also improve focus, and relieve fatigue as well

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

With people whose priority is school and people whose priority is smoking weed determining degree of education? I still don't see where you're coming from.

sexy-hippo

No my argument is that it has never been proven to be harmful, UNLIKE alcohol which is legal. Alcohol has proven harmful effects, marijuana doesn't. Funny for a drug that has been illegal for so long...Franklinstein

Harmful is defined as causing or likely to cause harm. The characters or side effects of marijuana use are as follows:

• Problems with memory and learning
• Distorted perception
• Difficulty with thinking and problem solving
• Loss of coordination
• Increased heart rate
• Anxiety, paranoia and panic attacks

Depending on the circumstance and the user involved, I can see marijuana being likely to cause harm.

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As for Alcohol, if it was up to be I would make the product illegal. But that's a multi-billion dollar industry, you can't expect a multi-billion industry go away over night, it takes time. Even Tobacco companies are still alive and kicking raking in the billions or hundreds of millions.

Marijuana is illegal because it's dangerous.

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]No my argument is that it has never been proven to be harmful, UNLIKE alcohol which is legal. Alcohol has proven harmful effects, marijuana doesn't. Funny for a drug that has been illegal for so long...Stevo_the_gamer

Harmful is defined as causing or likely to cause harm. The characters or side effects of marijuana use are as follows:

• Problems with memory and learning
• Distorted perception
• Difficulty with thinking and problem solving
• Loss of coordination
• Increased heart rate
• Anxiety, paranoia and panic attacks

Depending on the circumstance and the user involved, I can see marijuana being likely to cause harm.

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As for Alcohol, if it was up to be I would make the product illegal. But that's a multi-billion dollar industry, you can't expect a multi-billion industry go away over night, it takes time. Even Tobacco companies are still alive and kicking raking in the billions or hundreds of millions.

how widespread is that? does it happen 100% of the time? 50%?

doubt it, most of those symptoms are minor, ive never seen anyone have any issues with MJ, nor have i heard any

just a bunch of BS

pros of MJ outweigh cons, period, end of discussion

how widespread is that? does it happen 100% of the time? 50%?

doubt it, most of those symptoms are minor, ive never seen anyone have any issues with MJ, nor have i heard any

just a bunch of BS

pros of MJ outweigh cons, period, end of discussion

H_U_R_D

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"][QUOTE="StopThePresses"] Well, exactly what I said in the first place. If that argument is valid, then I can use a similar argument to say that cigarettes don't cause cancer. If cigarettes really didn't cause cancer, would that make that particular argument for the conclusion any more valid? No, it would not. It would make the conclusion true, but it would not make the argument that you used to get to it a logical one.StopThePresses

That is not my argument actually. My argument is that the misconception that marijuana kills brain cells instantly has been proven false, and people who smoke and exhibit those symptoms generally aren't caused by the use itself, rather where the priorities are. Drugs; usually less educated, less smart; or school involvement; generally more inteligent, more educated.

[QUOTE="H_U_R_D"]how widespread is that? does it happen 100% of the time? 50%?

doubt it, most of those symptoms are minor, ive never seen anyone have any issues with MJ, nor have i heard any

just a bunch of BS

pros of MJ outweigh cons, period, end of discussion

Stevo_the_gamer

i'm sure.

the whole ordeal about legalizing the stuff is bull

people will believe whatever the gov't, universities, research centers want them to, and i dont believe it for one second, i have known/seen well over 50 people on MJ, nobody has had any harmful side effects

that is as good as any research to tell you how trivial any cons of MJ there are

believe me or don't, idc, but this argument is bull

i bet there are plenty of people in government who use it, actually, i guarantee it

As for Alcohol, if it was up to be I would make the product illegal. But that's a multi-billion dollar industry, you can't expect a multi-billion industry go away over night, it takes time. Even Tobacco companies are still alive and kicking raking in the billions or hundreds of millions.

Stevo_the_gamer

Alchhol will always be there we tried once and it didnt work out :(

[QUOTE="H_U_R_D"]how widespread is that? does it happen 100% of the time? 50%?

doubt it, most of those symptoms are minor, ive never seen anyone have any issues with MJ, nor have i heard any

just a bunch of BS

pros of MJ outweigh cons, period, end of discussion

Stevo_the_gamer

i'm sure. the whole ordeal about legalizing the stuff is bull people will believe whatever the gov't, universities, research centers want them to, and i dont believe it for one second, i have known/seen well over 50 people on MJ, nobody has had any harmful side effects that is as good as any research to tell you how trivial any cons of MJ there are believe me or don't, idc, but this argument is bull i bet there are plenty of people in government who use it, actually, i guarantee itH_U_R_D

Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything, mate. I literally can't stress that enough. And did I happen to see some conspiracy esque thoughts in there as well? :?

[QUOTE="H_U_R_D"]i'm sure. the whole ordeal about legalizing the stuff is bull people will believe whatever the gov't, universities, research centers want them to, and i dont believe it for one second, i have known/seen well over 50 people on MJ, nobody has had any harmful side effects that is as good as any research to tell you how trivial any cons of MJ there are believe me or don't, idc, but this argument is bull i bet there are plenty of people in government who use it, actually, i guarantee itStevo_the_gamer

Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything, mate. I literally can't stress that enough. And did I happen to see some conspiracy esque thoughts in there as well? :?

dude, conspiracy all the time, 24/7

too many factors on how things are run in society today to just be content with believing everything you hear, i refuse to do it

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="optiplex7"]

I busted some pot smoker driving once, they got in big trouble same punishment for alcohol and driving.

TheMightyHoov

I guy in my town has been found drunk several times while behind the wheel. They didnt revoke his license until after he killed someone while driving intoxicated. Before that happened he had 4 DWI's :?

That is not my argument actually. My argument is that the misconception that marijuana kills brain cells instantly has been proven false, and people who smoke and exhibit those symptoms generally aren't caused by the use itself, rather where the priorities are. Drugs; usually less educated, less smart; or school involvement; generally more inteligent, more educated.

sexy-hippo

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I know kids who've smoked it since grade school. Soem of them are the smartest kids I know. Some are the dumbest. It depends on the person and where their priorities are. If their priority is marijuana then they are more likely to be dumb because thats all their life is about. The smartest person I know (Its not me and that pisses me off) smokes it nearly every day and she's into everything in school thats not about brawn or popularity. The argument that it makes people dumb has as much disproof as proof.

sexy-hippo

Now I will use the same argument with cigarettes:

I know kids who've smoked cigarettes since grade school. Soem of them are the healthiest kids I know. Some are the sickest. It depends on the person and where their priorities are. (No direct analog for this part. It's not really talking about direct effects anyway.) The healthiest person I know (Its not me and that pisses me off) smokes cigarettes nearly every day and she's into everything in school thats not about brawn or popularity. The argument that it makes people sick has as much disproof as proof.

StopThePresses

Where in this argument were you disucssing research or a news article or even so much as a show you saw on television? Nowhere. This is just your personal anecdote about a few young people (and providing all of the links in the world after this post is not going to retroactively change what you said here).

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

As for Alcohol, if it was up to be I would make the product illegal. But that's a multi-billion dollar industry, you can't expect a multi-billion industry go away over night, it takes time. Even Tobacco companies are still alive and kicking raking in the billions or hundreds of millions.

MrLions

Alchhol will always be there we tried once and it didnt work out :(

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What follows is the post that started this:

[QUOTE="sexy-hippo"]

I know kids who've smoked it since grade school. Soem of them are the smartest kids I know. Some are the dumbest. It depends on the person and where their priorities are. If their priority is marijuana then they are more likely to be dumb because thats all their life is about. The smartest person I know (Its not me and that pisses me off) smokes it nearly every day and she's into everything in school thats not about brawn or popularity. The argument that it makes people dumb has as much disproof as proof.

Now I will use the same argument with cigarettes:

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"]

I know kids who've smoked cigarettes since grade school. Soem of them are the healthiest kids I know. Some are the sickest. It depends on the person and where their priorities are. (No direct analog for this part. It's not really talking about direct effects anyway.) The healthiest person I know (Its not me and that pisses me off) smokes cigarettes nearly every day and she's into everything in school thats not about brawn or popularity. The argument that it makes people sick has as much disproof as proof.

Where in this argument were you disucssing research or a news article or even so much as a show you saw on television? Nowhere. This is just your personal anecdote about a few young people (and providing all of the links in the world after this post is not going to retroactively change what you said here).

The government doesn't care much about what 20 something hipsters think about the drug and don't want to make it legal just because they said so.

I'm all eyes for any legitimate argument whatsoever.

I'm honestly starting tobelieve it's some kind of conspiracy.

Franklinstein

You answered it that stuff makes you paranoid.

If one narcotic drug is illegal, and the other is legal, you should ask yourself why isn't the legal narcotic drug illegal, not the other way around. If this made any sense :P

I'm sure there's a big moral component to why it's illegal. Marijuana is certainly not as harmful or dangerous as other recreational drugs, however there has always been a stigma attached to recreational substances. Even alcohol was banned at one point.

To me, it's ridiculous, because any intelligent person I ask that question to says, "It should be legal"Franklinstein

pretty much this

there is absolutely no objective reason why marijuana should still be illegal.

thats not to say I think it shouldnt be regulated (sorry, I dont want it used in public...stoners/potheads are annoying at times), but I see no reason why a guy can't come home from work and smoke a bowl to relax, or go to a designated cafe and smoke, etc. I just dont want it in the street, or at work.