Anyone care to explain why Marijuana is STILL illegal?

there has always been a stigma attached to recreational substances. sonicare

I'm sure there's a big moral component to why it's illegal. Marijuana is certainly not as harmful or dangerous as other recreational drugs, however there has always been a stigma attached to recreational substances. Even alcohol was banned at one point.

sonicare

yea and banning alcohol turned out to be one of the biggest mistakes this country ever made. Stupid conservative mothers...

anyway, "moral component" is a pretty lame excuse. Especially considering there is nothing morally wrong with marijuana

I'm all eyes for any legitimate argument whatsoever.

I'm honestly starting to believe it's some kind of conspiracy.

Franklinstein

Because we haven't voted on the issue yet. That will happen this November, and I am confident California will set the precedent for the rest of the country and lift prohibition.

Especially considering there is nothing morally wrong with marijuanamrbojangles25

Because it is too awesome to be legal I guess.

I see the tc posting a lot of "facts", but no evidence to back it up. Jst saying "your wrong i'm right does not cut it"

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"] Especially considering there is nothing morally wrong with marijuanaVandalvideo

exactly. Though this can be applied to just about every consumable, be it food, alcohol, tobacco, medication, etc.

You might enjoy hamburgers, but youre not going to bring a George Forman grill to your cubicle and grill up hamburgers.
You might like beer, but you are going to wait until you are off work to drink some
You might like pot, but you are not going to smoke when you got stuff to do

This is one part of the bible (gluttony), I can agree with as it is A.) common sense, and B.) can be applied universally. Dont be a food glutton, dont be a booze glutton, and dont be a weed glutton.

Because big business, tobacco and alcohol, don't want it legalized (more competition). Agent-Zero

Stigma.Cherokee_Jack

I more want to know why tobacco hasnt been illegalized, ot has waay more negative effects on you then pot. Even in articles about marijuana there are currently very few to no long term effects from smoking marijuana (then again thats from wikipedia and iVe never smoked it myself so I wouldnt really know :P)

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]No my argument is that it has never been proven to be harmful, UNLIKE alcohol which is legal. Alcohol has proven harmful effects, marijuana doesn't. Funny for a drug that has been illegal for so long...Stevo_the_gamer

Harmful is defined as causing or likely to cause harm. The characters or side effects of marijuana use are as follows:

• Problems with memory and learning
• Distorted perception
• Difficulty with thinking and problem solving
• Loss of coordination
• Increased heart rate
• Anxiety, paranoia and panic attacks

Depending on the circumstance and the user involved, I can see marijuana being likely to cause harm.

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As for Alcohol, if it was up to be I would make the product illegal. But that's a multi-billion dollar industry, you can't expect a multi-billion industry go away over night, it takes time. Even Tobacco companies are still alive and kicking raking in the billions or hundreds of millions.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"] Especially considering there is nothing morally wrong with marijuanamrbojangles25

exactly. Though this can be applied to just about every consumable, be it food, alcohol, tobacco, medication, etc.

You might enjoy hamburgers, but youre not going to bring a George Forman grill to your cubicle and grill up hamburgers.
You might like beer, but you are going to wait until you are off work to drink some
You might like pot, but you are not going to smoke when you got stuff to do

This is one part of the bible (gluttony), I can agree with as it is A.) common sense, and B.) can be applied universally. Dont be a food glutton, dont be a booze glutton, and dont be a weed glutton.

There is no reason for it to be legal; cigarettes should be banned and a limit of one alcoholic drink a day. The only reason you want to be legalised is top the police from bothering you. Yes it has heath benefits but only helps the people who actually need those benefits. All the people who were selling weed now will move on to another worse drug they won't just stop and think "Since weed is legal now and I can't sell mine anymore I think I will go get a job and raise a family". They say people never die from smoking it but people have died trying to stop it, many families have been ruined by it, some may move other drugs since their drug dealer offered, and weed dealers may try to kill each other if they steal people who buy weed from them. What is the point of weed to the average person no need for those heath benefits so they just do it to feel better?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I wouldn't protest legalizing it for free use in one's private home so long as there is no children in the household, and so long as one cannot smoke it, grow it, ect. in public places. Make a lot of restrictions, and I'm there for your right to screw with your body.Franklinstein

There is no reason for it to be legal; cigarettes should be banned and a limit of one alcoholic drink a day. The only reason you want to be legalised is top the police from bothering you. Yes it has heath benefits but only helps the people who actually need those benefits. All the people who were selling weed now will move on to another worse drug they won't just stop and think "Since weed is legal now and I can't sell mine anymore I think I will go get a job and raise a family". They say people never die from smoking it but people have died trying to stop it, many families have been ruined by it, some may move other drugs since their drug dealer offered, and weed dealers may try to kill each other if they steal people who buy weed from them. What is the point of weed to the average person no need for those heath benefits so they just do to feel better?

Communist_Soul

And the funny thing is many of these so called benefits can be found in prescription medicine without the negative side effects like brain damage. The people who argue for legalization of marijuana just want to get high, and are not informed or don't care about the terrible repercussions it would have.

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I wouldn't protest legalizing it for free use in one's private home so long as there is no children in the household, and so long as one cannot smoke it, grow it, ect. in public places. Make a lot of restrictions, and I'm there for your right to screw with your body.shakmaster13

Marijuana is illegal because it's dangerous.

Heretix_Aevum

The biggest danger of Marijuana has to be the Paranoia, Anxiety, and Panic Attacks. Once more reasearch is done perhaps it will be legalized and the goverment will like with Alchol give out warnings and safe consumption rates. PErsonally i know the dangers and so do others i know it may be worse than we think as well. More reasearch is needed.

There is no reason for it to be legal; cigarettes should be banned and a limit of one alcoholic drink a day. The only reason you want to be legalised is top the police from bothering you. Yes it has heath benefits but only helps the people who actually need those benefits. All the people who were selling weed now will move on to another worse drug they won't just stop and think "Since weed is legal now and I can't sell mine anymore I think I will go get a job and raise a family". They say people never die from smoking it but people have died trying to stop it, many families have been ruined by it, some may move other drugs since their drug dealer offered, and weed dealers may try to kill each other if they steal people who buy weed from them. What is the point of weed to the average person no need for those heath benefits so they just do it to feel better?

Communist_Soul

And the funny thing is many of these so called benefits can be found in prescription medicine without the negative side effects like brain damage. The people who argue for legalization of marijuana just want to get high, and are not informed or don't care about the terrible repercussions it would have.

shakmaster13

That's simply not true.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] As long as said Marijuana is grown locally, using personally generated power, and smoked in the confines of one's own home while maintaining a healthy work habit maybe. Vandalvideo

exactly. Though this can be applied to just about every consumable, be it food, alcohol, tobacco, medication, etc.

You might enjoy hamburgers, but youre not going to bring a George Forman grill to your cubicle and grill up hamburgers.
You might like beer, but you are going to wait until you are off work to drink some
You might like pot, but you are not going to smoke when you got stuff to do

This is one part of the bible (gluttony), I can agree with as it is A.) common sense, and B.) can be applied universally. Dont be a food glutton, dont be a booze glutton, and dont be a weed glutton.

actually, the history of cattle ranching is incredibly violent, as was the era of Prohibition...but I see where you are coming from, so I won't argue

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] The more I research it, I'm actually starting to believe that it is beneficial to your body. shakmaster13

There is no reason for it to be legal; cigarettes should be banned and a limit of one alcoholic drink a day. The only reason you want to be legalised is top the police from bothering you. Yes it has heath benefits but only helps the people who actually need those benefits. All the people who were selling weed now will move on to another worse drug they won't just stop and think "Since weed is legal now and I can't sell mine anymore I think I will go get a job and raise a family". They say people never die from smoking it but people have died trying to stop it, many families have been ruined by it, some may move other drugs since their drug dealer offered, and weed dealers may try to kill each other if they steal people who buy weed from them. What is the point of weed to the average person no need for those heath benefits so they just do to feel better?

Communist_Soul

And the funny thing is many of these so called benefits can be found in prescription medicine without the negative side effects like brain damage. The people who argue for legalization of marijuana just want to get high, and are not informed or don't care about the terrible repercussions it would have.

lol :lol:, that's a new one for me. Pot causes brain damage? Ha, anything in excess is harmful to you, and used in moderation, pot is harmless. And yes, is it wrong for people who engage in recreational pot use to not want to worry about getting stuck in prison with similar sentences to rapists and criminals for smoking a plant? Wouldn't it be nice to not be spending millions on a "war" that is not ever going to be won?

It's logically sound to legalize pot for more reasons than just pleasing stoners. Either that or they need to get rid of alcohol, tobacco, and various prescription drugs cause the hypocrisy is just starting to get tiresome. Anything used in excess is harmful to you, but moderate use of pot will not kill you, cause you to go insane, or take very many years off your life. In fact, you'll probably take more years off your life eating fast food on a regular basis than smoking pot on a regular basis.

Because it's extremely bad for you? That could be it the reason.

Because it's extremely bad for you? That could be it the reason.

Leejjohno

Um, it's hardly even bad for you..

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

Because it's extremely bad for you? That could be it the reason.

MystikFollower

Um, it's hardly even bad for you..

yea, like...barely. It makes you a little lazy, I guess. And if you smoke too much can damage your lungs. Outside of that, I dont really see any negatives.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"] Most of this research is a load of bull intended to make people who smoke weed feel better about their decisions. The legitimate researchers show that it is bad for you. I think the best argument you can make is "worse things are legal, so why can't this be legal?"

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

There is no reason for it to be legal; cigarettes should be banned and a limit of one alcoholic drink a day. The only reason you want to be legalised is top the police from bothering you. Yes it has heath benefits but only helps the people who actually need those benefits. All the people who were selling weed now will move on to another worse drug they won't just stop and think "Since weed is legal now and I can't sell mine anymore I think I will go get a job and raise a family". They say people never die from smoking it but people have died trying to stop it, many families have been ruined by it, some may move other drugs since their drug dealer offered, and weed dealers may try to kill each other if they steal people who buy weed from them. What is the point of weed to the average person no need for those heath benefits so they just do to feel better?

MystikFollower

And the funny thing is many of these so called benefits can be found in prescription medicine without the negative side effects like brain damage. The people who argue for legalization of marijuana just want to get high, and are not informed or don't care about the terrible repercussions it would have.

lol :lol:, that's a new one for me. Pot causes brain damage? Ha, anything in excess is harmful to you, and used in moderation, pot is harmless. And yes, is it wrong for people who engage in recreational pot use to not want to worry about getting stuck in prison with similar sentences to rapists and criminals for smoking a plant? Wouldn't it be nice to not be spending millions on a "war" that is not ever going to be won?

It's logically sound to legalize pot for more reasons than just pleasing stoners. Either that or they need to get rid of alcohol, tobacco, and various prescription drugs cause the hypocrisy is just starting to get tiresome. Anything used in excess is harmful to you, but moderate use of pot will not kill you, cause you to go insane, or take very many years off your life. In fact, you'll probably take more years off your life eating fast food on a regular basis than smoking pot on a regular basis.

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

And the funny thing is many of these so called benefits can be found in prescription medicine without the negative side effects like brain damage. The people who argue for legalization of marijuana just want to get high, and are not informed or don't care about the terrible repercussions it would have.

shakmaster13

lol :lol:, that's a new one for me. Pot causes brain damage? Ha, anything in excess is harmful to you, and used in moderation, pot is harmless. And yes, is it wrong for people who engage in recreational pot use to not want to worry about getting stuck in prison with similar sentences to rapists and criminals for smoking a plant? Wouldn't it be nice to not be spending millions on a "war" that is not ever going to be won?

It's logically sound to legalize pot for more reasons than just pleasing stoners. Either that or they need to get rid of alcohol, tobacco, and various prescription drugs cause the hypocrisy is just starting to get tiresome. Anything used in excess is harmful to you, but moderate use of pot will not kill you, cause you to go insane, or take very many years off your life. In fact, you'll probably take more years off your life eating fast food on a regular basis than smoking pot on a regular basis.

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

There is no reason for it to be legal; cigarettes should be banned and a limit of one alcoholic drink a day. The only reason you want to be legalised is top the police from bothering you. Yes it has heath benefits but only helps the people who actually need those benefits. All the people who were selling weed now will move on to another worse drug they won't just stop and think "Since weed is legal now and I can't sell mine anymore I think I will go get a job and raise a family". They say people never die from smoking it but people have died trying to stop it, many families have been ruined by it, some may move other drugs since their drug dealer offered, and weed dealers may try to kill each other if they steal people who buy weed from them. What is the point of weed to the average person no need for those heath benefits so they just do it to feel better?

Franklinstein

Well come this may come to a surprise to you I said it has heath benefits.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="MystikFollower"]

lol :lol:, that's a new one for me. Pot causes brain damage? Ha, anything in excess is harmful to you, and used in moderation, pot is harmless. And yes, is it wrong for people who engage in recreational pot use to not want to worry about getting stuck in prison with similar sentences to rapists and criminals for smoking a plant? Wouldn't it be nice to not be spending millions on a "war" that is not ever going to be won?

It's logically sound to legalize pot for more reasons than just pleasing stoners. Either that or they need to get rid of alcohol, tobacco, and various prescription drugs cause the hypocrisy is just starting to get tiresome. Anything used in excess is harmful to you, but moderate use of pot will not kill you, cause you to go insane, or take very many years off your life. In fact, you'll probably take more years off your life eating fast food on a regular basis than smoking pot on a regular basis.

kuraimen

Thank you. And I am not suggesting that it be legalized and unregulated. I support heavy regulation and I don't think legalizing should mean people can walk down the street smoking a joint.. Buuuuttt, if I have a long day at work, I should have the legal right to come home and smoke a relaxing plant.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I'm sure there's a big moral component to why it's illegal. Marijuana is certainly not as harmful or dangerous as other recreational drugs, however there has always been a stigma attached to recreational substances. Even alcohol was banned at one point.

yea and banning alcohol turned out to be one of the biggest mistakes this country ever made. Stupid conservative mothers...

anyway, "moral component" is a pretty lame excuse. Especially considering there is nothing morally wrong with marijuana

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

There is no reason for it to be legal; cigarettes should be banned and a limit of one alcoholic drink a day. The only reason you want to be legalised is top the police from bothering you. Yes it has heath benefits but only helps the people who actually need those benefits. All the people who were selling weed now will move on to another worse drug they won't just stop and think "Since weed is legal now and I can't sell mine anymore I think I will go get a job and raise a family". They say people never die from smoking it but people have died trying to stop it, many families have been ruined by it, some may move other drugs since their drug dealer offered, and weed dealers may try to kill each other if they steal people who buy weed from them. What is the point of weed to the average person no need for those heath benefits so they just do it to feel better?

Communist_Soul

Well come this may come to a surprise to you I said it has heath benefits.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="MystikFollower"]

lol :lol:, that's a new one for me. Pot causes brain damage? Ha, anything in excess is harmful to you, and used in moderation, pot is harmless. And yes, is it wrong for people who engage in recreational pot use to not want to worry about getting stuck in prison with similar sentences to rapists and criminals for smoking a plant? Wouldn't it be nice to not be spending millions on a "war" that is not ever going to be won?

It's logically sound to legalize pot for more reasons than just pleasing stoners. Either that or they need to get rid of alcohol, tobacco, and various prescription drugs cause the hypocrisy is just starting to get tiresome. Anything used in excess is harmful to you, but moderate use of pot will not kill you, cause you to go insane, or take very many years off your life. In fact, you'll probably take more years off your life eating fast food on a regular basis than smoking pot on a regular basis.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"] They should make alcohol and tobacco illegal IMO, but they have become such huge staples in society that they can't be removed. I don't want another negative influence on the people of this world. And I think you need to read the post that I quoted by communist_soul.shakmaster13

That sounds like a prediction someone couldn't make... Maybe some would move on to harder drugs, but I don't see it causing an upsurge in those drugs being dealt...

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]What's the benefit from it again?Franklinstein

[QUOTE="Ringx55"] same benefit as cigarettes and alcohol, but less harmful.RPG-er

[QUOTE="Ringx55"]What's the benefit from it again?Cherokee_Jack

EDIT: Also it does have detrimental effects to your brain cells, liver and lungs... Maybe it's the same as alcohol/cigs but why do we need more of that?

I've read studies where if a farther/mother were giant pot heads and had a child.. There is a far greater chance for those to have a lower level of Intellect.

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"][QUOTE="Ringx55"]What's the benefit from it again?Ringx55

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"] They should make alcohol and tobacco illegal IMO, but they have become such huge staples in society that they can't be removed. I don't want another negative influence on the people of this world. And I think you need to read the post that I quoted by communist_soul.shakmaster13

His post said that people don't die from smoking it which is pretty much a fact but die from trying to stop it which is pretty much another fact. So legalizing it will make people stop dying from trying to stop it. Simple first order logic. So legalization is the best bet either way.kuraimen

When people get high they might think they are invincible and may attack or kills cops when they try to stop them, some weed is grown with illegal drugs when they get pulled over by a cop they could kill them so they don't check their car, if police raid a weed growing house they may get killed, they will still die as they trying to stop other drugs so they should be legal to? You need harsher penalties on weed not legalization.

[QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

[QUOTE="Franklinstein"] Well, first of all, it may come as a surprise to you, but I don't smoke, I'm actually looking at the benefits of it.kuraimen

Well come this may come to a surprise to you I said it has heath benefits.

Does it alter their state of mind which can cause them to dumb things?

mostly because people are uneducated on the racism that made it illegal less than 100 years ago....

If more people knew why it was made illegal in the first place, then maybe it could be brought back....

Hell, marijuana has a bigger impact on our history than almost any other plant (other than cotton mind you).

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

His post said that people don't die from smoking it which is pretty much a fact but die from trying to stop it which is pretty much another fact. So legalizing it will make people stop dying from trying to stop it. Simple first order logic. So legalization is the best bet either way.Communist_Soul

When people get high they might think they are invincible and may attack or kills cops when they try to stop them, some weed is grown with illegal drugs when they get pulled over by a cop they could kill them so they don't check their car, if police raid a weed growing house they may get killed, they will still die as they trying to stop other drugs so they should be legal to? You need harsher penalties on weed not legalization.

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

Because it's extremely bad for you? That could be it the reason.

mrbojangles25

Um, it's hardly even bad for you..

yea, like...barely. It makes you a little lazy, I guess. And if you smoke too much can damage your lungs. Outside of that, I dont really see any negatives.

It can cause some mental illnesses, and some people apparently report addiction, or dependency.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Communist_Soul"]

Well come this may come to a surprise to you I said it has heath benefits.

Communist_Soul

Does it alter their state of mind which can cause them to dumb things?

mostly because people are uneducated on the racism that made it illegal less than 100 years ago....

If more people knew why it was made illegal in the first place, then maybe it could be brought back....

Hell, marijuana has a bigger impact on our history than almost any other plant (other than cotton mind you).

kyosukeugc

Barley had a much larger impact then marijuana.