Are atheists apes???

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#51 GabuEx
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Except that we're not apes. =/ Apes are apes, we're homosapiens.DigitalExile

As I said before, Homo sapiens is part of biological family Hominidae, which are collectively considered the great apes. Humans didn't stop being apes at some point in the past because we still are apes to this day; we just happen to be more intelligent apes than others.

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According to numerous scientists, human speciation (when normal apes can't breed with the human acestor apes) started about 6 millions years ago.

Now, hominization (when apes turn into humans) started about 1.8 million years ago. According to scientists, apes started to be "human" once they started believing in life after death. This means that in order to be called human, we need in life after death.

So this means that atheists are apes???

The teacher brought this up to discussion in class but the class ended before we could start the discussion...so OT, what do you think about this???

EDIT: I think the teacher couldn't express himself well, or if he truly meant what he said, well, lets say he is just ignorant.

I think the teacher tried to say: "Humans differed from apes when they started to bury their friends" No need for the afterlife, just the burial.

Now another questions rises: "Why did this primitive people buried their dead with gifts and stuff like that?"

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Are humans apes? I facepalmed so hard that I shattered my nose.
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christians do not believe in evolutionelpollomaster
Don't have to be christian to be religious. There was no Christianity back then anyway.
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#54 N8A
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Uhm, where did scientists come up with "to be human we need to believe in life after death?"wado-karate
That was my first thought.
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[QUOTE="wado-karate"]Uhm, where did scientists come up with "to be human we need to believe in life after death?"N8A
That was my first thought.

It was an ability humans back in the day over other apes. Might've been incomprehensible to other apes. But that is a silly conclusion to make (to be human you have to believe in life after death).
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[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"]

According to numerous scientists, human speciation (when normal apes can't breed with the human acestor apes) started about 6 millions years ago.

Now, hominization (when apes turn into humans) started about 1.8 million years ago. According to scientists, apes started to be "human" once they started believing in life after death. This means that in order to be called human, we need in life after death.

So this means that atheists are apes???

The teacher brought this up to discussion in class but the class ended before we could start the discussion...so OT, what do you think about this???

EDIT: I think the teacher couldn't express himself well, or if he truly meant what he said, well, lets say he is just ignorant.

I think the teacher tried to say: "Humans differed from apes when they started to bury their friends" No need for the afterlife, just the burial.

Now another questions rises: "Why did this primitive people buried their dead with gifts and stuff like that?"

fatzebra
Are humans apes? I facepalmed so hard that I shattered my nose.

As many people said we come from the superfamily of Hominidae, from the order of PRIMATES. Also we share 96% of genetical infromation. Keep in mind that only 1.5% of our genes make us unique. You and the next poster share around 98% of their genes :o
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#57 kussese
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Your science teacher is on crack. Get a link that supports your false logic, and then maybe you'll get your answers.

In short, you're using the transitive property wrong. What you're suggesting is similar to the following.

"All locks have keys"

"I have a key"

"Therefore...I am a lock."

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#58 foxhound_fox
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No offence but your teacher is an idiot. All human beings are apes, belief has absolutely nothing to do with genetic heritage.
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#59 aliblabla2007
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Whut? I thought we were baby-eaters.
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#60 Robertoey
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We're nothing close to an ape... accept the hand.Gaming-Planet

We are very close. The human genome is 96% identical to that of a chimpanzee.

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Whut? I thought we were baby-eaters.aliblabla2007
Nah you are baby-drinkers :o hehe
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#62 Silenthps
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Humans aren't apes. We were specifically designed made in the image of God. And whats this BS about us living millions of years ago when the world is only around 6000 years old?
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[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"]

According to numerous scientists, human speciation (when normal apes can't breed with the human acestor apes) started about 6 millions years ago.

Now, hominization (when apes turn into humans) started about 1.8 million years ago. According to scientists, apes started to be "human" once they started believing in life after death. This means that in order to be called human, we need in life after death.

So this means that atheists are apes???

The teacher brought this up to discussion in class but the class ended before we could start the discussion...so OT, what do you think about this???

EDIT: I think the teacher couldn't express himself well, or if he truly meant what he said, well, lets say he is just ignorant.

I think the teacher tried to say: "Humans differed from apes when they started to bury their friends" No need for the afterlife, just the burial.

Now another questions rises: "Why did this primitive people buried their dead with gifts and stuff like that?"

that sounds silly....
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We're Homo Sapiens Sapiens, not even close to an ape. :?

And WTF does religious belief have to do with being an ape or not ?

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According to numerous scientists, human speciation (when normal apes can't breed with the human acestor apes) started about 6 millions years ago.

Now, hominization (when apes turn into humans) started about 1.8 million years ago. According to scientists, apes started to be "human" once they started believing in life after death. This means that in order to be called human, we need in life after death.

So this means that atheists are apes???

The teacher brought this up to discussion in ****but the ****ended before we could start the discussion...so OT, what do you think about this???

EDIT: I think the teacher couldn't express himself well, or if he truly meant what he said, well, lets say he is just ignorant.

I think the teacher tried to say: "Humans differed from apes when they started to bury their friends" No need for the afterlife, just the burial.

Now another questions rises: "Why did this primitive people buried their dead with gifts and stuff like that?"

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Never ever have I heard what you say in the red letters, as something atheists say. Your teacher is....... *enter derogatory word here*

If there's one thing I hate, its teachers who are irresponsible enough, to share their ignorance with people they should educate rather than misinform. It's a shame really.

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Well, seeing as how I still fling feces and eat lice off my girlfriends back, I can understand why one would think that.
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christians do not believe in evolutionelpollomaster
Speak for your own group.
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Your teacher needs to be slapepd silly for not understanding Genus; binomial nomenclature. Athiests are human beings.
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Extreme belief in religion lead to the Crusades

Extreme belief in Science lead to... nothing really.

Which one is the ape??

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Extreme belief in religion lead to the Crusades

Extreme belief in Science lead to... nothing really.

Which one is the ape??

HellsAngel2c

Well extreme belief in religion does lead to crusades, but christianity is not religion, and to be extreme about christianity can only lead to being annoying to others at best.

Extreme belief in science, leads to false beliefs, bad science, that goes unquestioned, uncheck, unchallenged. It also leads to atomic bombs:| Communism is a secular type of government, did not come from chrsitianity at all. I think it is safe to say too much of anything is bad

I think the whole 96 percent ape is bad science

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkxpTIbCIw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX7Htg2HxkA&NR=1

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Extreme belief in science, leads to false beliefs, bad science, that goes unquestioned, uncheck, unchallenged. It also leads to atomic bombs:|

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You're confusing science with technology.
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[QUOTE="HellsAngel2c"]

Extreme belief in religion lead to the Crusades

Extreme belief in Science lead to... nothing really.

Which one is the ape??

SegaGenesisfan

Well extreme belief in religion does lead to crusades, but christianity is not religion, and to be extreme about christianity can only lead to being annoying to others at best.

Extreme belief in science, leads to false beliefs, bad science, that goes unquestioned, uncheck, unchallenged. It also leads to atomic bombs:| Communism is a secular type of government, did not come from chrsitianity at all. I think it is safe to say too much of anything is bad

I think the whole 96 percent ape is bad science

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkxpTIbCIw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX7Htg2HxkA&NR=1

Curious, why do you believe it's bad science?
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[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]

Extreme belief in science, leads to false beliefs, bad science, that goes unquestioned, uncheck, unchallenged. It also leads to atomic bombs:|

Genetic_Code
You're confusing science with technology.

Yeah, if you don't question things in science you aren't a really good scientist...
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So TC's teacher is nuts, then. :P
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[QUOTE="HellsAngel2c"]

Extreme belief in religion lead to the Crusades

Extreme belief in Science lead to... nothing really.

Which one is the ape??

SegaGenesisfan

Well extreme belief in religion does lead to crusades, but christianity is not religion, and to be extreme about christianity can only lead to being annoying to others at best.

Extreme belief in science, leads to false beliefs, bad science, that goes unquestioned, uncheck, unchallenged. It also leads to atomic bombs:| Communism is a secular type of government, did not come from chrsitianity at all. I think it is safe to say too much of anything is bad

I think the whole 96 percent ape is bad science

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkxpTIbCIw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX7Htg2HxkA&NR=1

Christianity is not a religion.........? >__>

Well, there's something new to hear everyday right? :roll:

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christianity is not religionSegaGenesisfan
Um, what?
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[QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]christianity is not religionFunky_Llama
Um, what?

My sister once said that to her son... /facepalm
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[QUOTE="HellsAngel2c"]

Extreme belief in religion lead to the Crusades

Extreme belief in Science lead to... nothing really.

Which one is the ape??

SegaGenesisfan

Well extreme belief in religion does lead to crusades, but christianity is not religion, and to be extreme about christianity can only lead to being annoying to others at best.

What?
Are you serious?

Also ever heard of the Templar Knights that rode around in the middle-east killing men, women and children in the name of God for being heathrens?

I don't think that was just annoying at the time.

On topic, Homo Sapiens are basically mostly evolved from apes, we have most in common with them then any other animal.

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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="SegaGenesisfan"]christianity is not religionzakkro
Um, what?

My sister once said that to her son... /facepalm

Yes. Once religion as a whole starts to have a bad name and aweful reputation, then ....nooooooooo, it's not religion! It's a relationship with god!.... Hmph! >__>
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Extreme belief in science, leads to false beliefs, bad science, that goes unquestioned, uncheck, unchallenged. It also leads to atomic bombs:| Communism is a secular type of government, did not come from chrsitianity at all. I think it is safe to say too much of anything is bad

SegaGenesisfan

How does extreme belief in science lead to the building of the atomic bomb? What exactly is "bad science" and what are "false beliefs"?

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i think you mean that we started believing in a life after death and having rituals once our brains( or cro magnons at the time) had the capacity to
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#82 Blood-Scribe
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We're Homo Sapiens Sapiens, not even close to an ape. :?

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Homo Sapiens are still in the ape family...

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Homo Sapiens are still in the ape family..Blood-Scribe
Uh, not they're not. Humans belong to the homo genus. Apes belong to the pan genus.
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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Homo Sapiens are still in the ape family..Vandalvideo
Uh, not they're not. Humans belong to the homo genus. Apes belong to the pan genus.

Both the pan and homo genus belong to the Ape superfamily. Both are apes. Humans are apes.

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Both the pan and homo genus belong to the Ape superfamily. Both are apes. Humans are apes. Blood-Scribe
Do you even know the first thing about binomial nomenclature? GENUS = FAMILY
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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Both the pan and homo genus belong to the Ape superfamily. Both are apes. Humans are apes. Vandalvideo
Do you even know the first thing about binomial nomenclature? GENUS = FAMILY

Really?

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Homo Sapiens are still in the ape family..Blood-Scribe

Uh, not they're not. Humans belong to the homo genus. Apes belong to the pan genus.

Both the pan and homo genus belong to the Ape superfamily. Both are apes. Humans are apes.

They're both primates...if that's what you'r etrying to say.
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Really?Blood-Scribe
Yeah, really. Besides, the cursory wikipedia picture you linked places genus above family...which is wrong in taxonomy. That woudl say that PAN and HOMO are completely seperate. The farthest back you can trace ape and humans in taxonomy is homini, which is a primary class, not a secondary class like genus.
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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Uh, not they're not. Humans belong to the homo genus. Apes belong to the pan genus.jointed

Both the pan and homo genus belong to the Ape superfamily. Both are apes. Humans are apes.

They're both primates...if that's what you'r etrying to say.

Actually, they're both, since the term primate applies to an order, not a family.

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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]Really?Vandalvideo
Yeah, really. Besides, the cursory wikipedia picture you linked places genus above family...which is wrong in taxonomy. That woudl say that PAN and HOMO are completely seperate. The farthest back you can trace ape and humans in taxonomy is homonidae, which is a primary class, not a secondary class like genus.

You're reading it upside-down.

Start from the bottom and then go up.

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Well extreme belief in religion does lead to crusades, but christianity is not religion, and to be extreme about christianity can only lead to being annoying to others at best.

Extreme belief in science, leads to false beliefs, bad science, that goes unquestioned, uncheck, unchallenged. It also leads to atomic bombs:| Communism is a secular type of government, did not come from chrsitianity at all. I think it is safe to say too much of anything is bad

I think the whole 96 percent ape is bad science

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkxpTIbCIw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX7Htg2HxkA&NR=1

SegaGenesisfan

Wow... just wow...

Christianity is just like mostly every other religion throughout human history. It has lead to countless religious-based conflicts between other sects of Christianity itself and other religions, especially Islam and has seen the death of countless millions of people. It started the Spanish Inquisition, the paranoia induced execution of completely innocent people for nothing more than being human enough to submit to torture and cry out that they are a witch because they just want the pain to stop.

Science leads to everything objective... which means it leads to medicine, modern electronic technology and weapons... but people don't fight over science, they fight over beliefs... and science isn't a belief, it is only a system of explaining observable facts. Too much of science is a wholly good thing. This world needs more unbiased objectivism... it will prevent a lot of people from getting hurt over differing religious beliefs.

Your misconceptions about science and blindness to the truth of Christianity is astounding. It is time to start accepting science not as a belief but as something that explain how the natural world works and gives you all the technology you take for granted.
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You're reading it upside-down. Blood-Scribe
And I'm telling you its WRONG. You have primary, secondary, and third classes. The primary classes include things like; kingdom, division, class, and order. Secondary classes are; Family genus, adn species, with subs of; tribe, section, series, variety, and form. Apes and humans are not the same. They are different branches of hominini.
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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]You're reading it upside-down. Vandalvideo
And I'm telling you its WRONG. You have primary, secondary, and third classes. The primary classes include things like; kingdom, division, class, and order. Secondary classes are; Family genus, adn species, with subs of; tribe, section, series, variety, and form. Apes and humans are not the same. They are different branches of hominini.

I'm not talking about branches from the tribe hominini, I'm talking about the superfamily of hominoidea (ape). Tribe classifications are much further down the line, and have nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

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I'm not talking about branches from the tribe hominini, I'm talking about the superfamily of hominoidea (ape). Tribe classifications are much further down the line, and have nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Blood-Scribe
Such a designation simply becomes vacuous at some point. You can say that all of these different familes belong to hominoidiea, but it means absolutely, positively nothing. Humans cannot mate with other divergent branches, and it over simplifies our ancestry. Our ancestry looks a little bit more like this;
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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]I'm not talking about branches from the tribe hominini, I'm talking about the superfamily of hominoidea (ape). Tribe classifications are much further down the line, and have nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Vandalvideo
Such a designation simply becomes vacuous at some point. You can say that all of these different familes belong to hominoidiea, but it means absolutely, positively nothing. Humans cannot mate with other divergent branches, and it over simplifies our ancestry. Our ancestry looks a little bit more like this]

That's completely besides the point that I'm trying to make. It's not about how divergent the branches are, or whether or not we're able to mate with other apes. It's a simple matter of classification and taxonomic terms. We're in the superfamily hominoidea. Hominoidea means "Ape". We're apes by definition.

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#97 Vandalvideo
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That's completely besides the point that I'm trying to make. It's not about how divergent the branches are, or whether or not we're able to mate with other apes. It's a simple matter of classification and taxonomic terms. We're in the superfamily hominoidea. Hominoidea means "Ape". We're apes by definition. Blood-Scribe
And, like I said, such a designation, by virtue, is simply vacuous. Besides, there are two branches of Hominoidea. So not all humans ARE apes.
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#98 inoperativeRS
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According to numerous scientists, human speciation (when normal apes can't breed with the human acestor apes) started about 6 millions years ago.

Now, hominization (when apes turn into humans) started about 1.8 million years ago. According to scientists, apes started to be "human" once they started believing in life after death. This means that in order to be called human, we need in life after death.

So this means that atheists are apes???

The teacher brought this up to discussion in class but the class ended before we could start the discussion...so OT, what do you think about this???

EDIT: I think the teacher couldn't express himself well, or if he truly meant what he said, well, lets say he is just ignorant.

I think the teacher tried to say: "Humans differed from apes when they started to bury their friends" No need for the afterlife, just the burial.

Now another questions rises: "Why did this primitive people buried their dead with gifts and stuff like that?"

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What your teacher tried to explain was that scientists consider the change to have happened once the apes became capable of imagining abstract things (I think).
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#99 makaveli2344
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This is from the Wikipedia article on Ape: An ape is any member of the Hominoidea superfamily of primates. In less scientific language, it has various meanings, although it often (but not always) excludes humans. Due to its ambiguous nature, the term 'ape' is less suitable as a means of describing taxonomic relationships. Under the current classification system there are TWO families of hominoids: the family Hylobatidae consists of 4 genera and 13 species of gibbon, including the Lar Gibbon and the Siamang, collectively known as the LESSER apes. the family Hominidae consisting of orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans, collectively known as the GREAT apes. ++++++++++++++++++++ Well, we also see several other species bury their dead, like Elephants, who occasionally migrate back to a grave, and mark it and everything, so, this phenomena of ritualistic burial is not new. We have never needed a life after death scenario, to make us human, homo sapiens, in Latin means "wise human" or "knowing human", and I believe that given the examples of cave art, and domestication, and use of tools (like our primate brothers and sisters), that the concept of life after death wasn't something we inherently have o be born with, like when a child is born, it doesn't fall out the uterus and say "PRAIZ TEH L0RDZ!, I CAN't WAIT TO GET TO HEAVEN!" so, either you're committing a strawman against a scientist you already know of, or, there is no scientists that have said the things you have said, please feel free to PM me a link to an interview or study with a creditable scientist. Thanks, hope I've cleared up a few things.
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#100 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="makaveli2344"]This is from the Wikipedia article on Ape: An ape is any member of the Hominoidea superfamily of primates. In less scientific language, it has various meanings, although it often (but not always) excludes humans. Due to its ambiguous nature, the term 'ape' is less suitable as a means of describing taxonomic relationships. Under the current classification system there are TWO families of hominoids: the family Hylobatidae consists of 4 genera and 13 species of gibbon, including the Lar Gibbon and the Siamang, collectively known as the LESSER apes. the family Hominidae consisting of orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans, collectively known as the GREAT apes. ++++++++++++++++++++ Well, we also see several other species bury their dead, like Elephants, who occasionally migrate back to a grave, and mark it and everything, so, this phenomena of ritualistic burial is not new. We have never needed a life after death scenario, to make us human, homo sapiens, in Latin means "wise human" or "knowing human", and I believe that given the examples of cave art, and domestication, and use of tools (like our primate brothers and sisters), that the concept of life after death wasn't something we inherently have o be born with, like when a child is born, it doesn't fall out the uterus and say "PRAIZ TEH L0RDZ!, I CAN't WAIT TO GET TO HEAVEN!" so, either you're committing a strawman against a scientist you already know of, or, there is no scientists that have said the things you have said, please feel free to PM me a link to an interview or study with a creditable scientist. Thanks, hope I've cleared up a few things.

WIkipedia isn't entirely correct. Just check Oxford English DIctionary. An Ape is merely; a large tailless primate of a group including gorillas, chimpanzees, and gibbons. We do not fit in there.